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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Firewall materiel? (Fox5flyer)
2. 05:33 AM - Coffee holder (Catz631@aol.com)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Firewall materiel? (Roger Lee)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: Firewall materiel? (WurlyBird)
5. 08:35 AM - Re: Coffee holder (Lowell Fitt)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: Firewall materiel? (dholly)
7. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Firewall materiel? (Dave Fisher)
8. 03:48 PM - Re: Coffee holder (Patrick Reilly)
9. 04:03 PM - Re: Old Man II (Patrick Reilly)
10. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Old Man II (aerobatics@aol.com)
11. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Firewall materiel? (jdmcbean)
12. 06:00 PM - Re: Coffee holder (jdmcbean)
13. 09:33 PM - Re: Firewall materiel? (Roger Lee)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
WurlyBird wrote:
> I was emailing the McBeans about a couple items including my firewall blanket
which I think could stand replacement along with the engine swap. Talking with
Debra prompted me to do a little searching online which showed me that nothing
fire retardant looked like what I currently have which is grey cloth almost
vinyl looking quilted with a thin foam core and plastic backing. I can get pictures
later. Well I did a burn test on a sample and it is flammable and smells
quite toxic when afire. Does this sound
> Like what others are using? So were these blankets intended as sound reduction
only? Am I just crazy and my blanket has simply absorbed too much oil/fuel?
James, I wasn't aware that the blanket was ever supposed to fire retardant, but
merely a noise reducer that works by absorbing sound.
Deke
NE Michigan
S5
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Kitfox S5 TD
NSI/CAP
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I love coffee and was getting tired of balancing a large cup of coffee
between my legs when going to early morning smooth air get together's so I came
up with this idea after seeing a coffee holder in a Valor.
It is a folding drink holder attached with a screw to the bungee mount. I
tapped the hole and it fits perfectly with no control interference. I have
included a couple of pictures. That seat has been removed. The holder is to
the left of the passenger stick.
I no longer have bungee's as I installed the "bush gear"so the former
bungee mount worked well.
So, if you love coffee as much as I do,this gives you an idea (OK you can
quit laughing now )
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
Everyone should have firewall protection. Many have firewall blankets that are
fire resistant. It is an ASTM standard. Flight Design's first models didn't have
them so FD had to retrofit 110 planes at a cost of a free firewall kit and
they paid the first $1000 out of the $1450 for the install. It shouldn't be in
place for noise it should be there for safety and to protect its occupants. If
you do not have any firewall protection you should install some. They make firewall
blankets which are fairly easy to install. I have do quite a few on different
aircraft. You can get it from Aircraft Spruce or a few others. If you
need info on how it is installed give me a call.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
Well good, so I am not crazy. I was looking at Aircraft Spruce and they had a few
materials. Any suggestions or experience with any of them? I will probably
go with one of the mattings that is retardant and sound reducing. Looks like
it should be ampretty straight forward install.
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James
Kitfox 3 / 582 / 70" IVO 2 blade GA
50 hrs on the Fox in between deployments,
now she lies in wait
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| Subject: | Re: Coffee holder |
Dick,
Great idea. I like the folding function.
Is your airplane always this neat and tidy? Looks better then brand
new.
Lowell
From: Catz631@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Coffee holder
I love coffee and was getting tired of balancing a large cup of coffee
between my legs when going to early morning smooth air get together's so
I came up with this idea after seeing a coffee holder in a Valor.
It is a folding drink holder attached with a screw to the bungee mount.
I tapped the hole and it fits perfectly with no control interference. I
have included a couple of pictures. That seat has been removed. The
holder is to the left of the passenger stick.
I no longer have bungee's as I installed the "bush gear"so the former
bungee mount worked well.
So, if you love coffee as much as I do,this gives you an idea (OK you
can quit laughing now )
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
James-
Another option here: http://www.aircraftextras.com/Contego.htm
Regards
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-Kitfox III 582 Blue/C Grove Spring / Aerocet 1100 Amphibs
-Airdale Avid+ (project) TD / W.I.B. Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
Think about it
Mil spec wiring- tefzel
firesleeve
SS firewall -- Galv steel no good....
cheap vinyl blanket.....
hmmm
rubber hoses
urethane hoses
hmmm
Dave
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From: "Fox5flyer" <fox5flyer@idealwifi.net>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 7:00 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall materiel?
>
>
> WurlyBird wrote:
>> I was emailing the McBeans about a couple items including my firewall
>> blanket which I think could stand replacement along with the engine swap.
>> Talking with Debra prompted me to do a little searching online which
>> showed me that nothing fire retardant looked like what I currently have
>> which is grey cloth almost vinyl looking quilted with a thin foam core
>> and plastic backing. I can get pictures later. Well I did a burn test on
>> a sample and it is flammable and smells quite toxic when afire. Does
>> this sound
>> Like what others are using? So were these blankets intended as sound
>> reduction only? Am I just crazy and my blanket has simply absorbed too
>> much oil/fuel?
>
>
> James, I wasn't aware that the blanket was ever supposed to fire
> retardant, but merely a noise reducer that works by absorbing sound.
> Deke
> NE Michigan
> S5
>
> --------
> Deke Morisse
> Kitfox S5 TD
> NSI/CAP
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339087#339087
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coffee holder |
Dick, Did you apply for a patent yet? If you didn't, I'll bet McBean will
have it on the next plane kit out. I would imagine something that inovative
would triple his sales.
Pat Reilly
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:17 AM, <Catz631@aol.com> wrote:
> I love coffee and was getting tired of balancing a large cup of coffee
> between my legs when going to early morning smooth air get together's so I
> came up with this idea after seeing a coffee holder in a Valor.
> It is a folding drink holder attached with a screw to the bungee mount. I
> tapped the hole and it fits perfectly with no control interference. I have
> included a couple of pictures. That seat has been removed. The holder is to
> the left of the passenger stick.
> I no longer have bungee's as I installed the "bush gear"so the
> former bungee mount worked well.
> So, if you love coffee as much as I do,this gives you an idea (OK you can
> quit laughing now )
> Dick Maddux
> Fox 4
> Milton,Fl
>
>
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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Dave, Thanks for the offer. I doubt I'd want to pay your transportation here
as I have about 3 excelent tailwheel instructors locally. They have helped
me, but I am a slow learner that is prone to regress to old habits.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:29 PM, <aerobatics@aol.com> wrote:
> I admire your honesty. I am a full time instructor and kitfox owner. I can
> help id you like....
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patreilly43@gmail.com
> To: alan Reese
> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:39 pm
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Old Man II
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> An old man and his toys in Northern Illinois (with pictures attached this
> time, I hope)
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By all means .... enjoy!
-----Original Message-----
From: patreilly43@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 6:00 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Old Man II
Dave, Thanks for the offer. I doubt I'd want to pay your transportation he
re as I have about 3 excelent tailwheel instructors locally. They have hel
ped me, but I am a slow learner that is prone to regress to old habits.
Pat Reilly
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:29 PM, <aerobatics@aol.com> wrote:
I admire your honesty. I am a full time instructor and kitfox owner. I can
help id you like....
Dave
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Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Old Man II
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
Roger,
A firewall blanket or protection is not an ASTM standard. A fire
resistant firewall is and .018 Stainless firewall meets the ASTM
requirements. And there is a proposal for allowing .016 SS
As for the older blanket.. I do not believe them to be fireproof.. just
sound reduction.
F 2245-07
7.6 Fire PreventionThe engine, if enclosed, must be
isolated from the rest of the airplane by a firewall or shroud. It
must be constructed as far as practical to prevent liquid, gas, or
flames, or a combination thereof, from entering the airplane.
The use of any one of the following materials shall be
acceptable without further testing:
7.6.1 Stainless steel, not less than 0.46 mm (0.018 in.) thick,
7.6.2 Mild steel (corrosion-protected), not less than 0.46
mm (0.018 in.) thick, or
7.6.3 Alternative materials that provide protection equivalent
to 7.6.1 or 7.6.2.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 8:04 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Firewall materiel?
Everyone should have firewall protection. Many have firewall blankets that
are fire resistant. It is an ASTM standard. Flight Design's first models
didn't have them so FD had to retrofit 110 planes at a cost of a free
firewall kit and they paid the first $1000 out of the $1450 for the install.
It shouldn't be in place for noise it should be there for safety and to
protect its occupants. If you do not have any firewall protection you should
install some. They make firewall blankets which are fairly easy to install.
I have do quite a few on different aircraft. You can get it from Aircraft
Spruce or a few others. If you need info on how it is installed give me a
call.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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Actually would have to give the credit to Steve Kellender.. This was
installed on his aircraft about 7 years ago.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Coffee holder
Dick, Did you apply for a patent yet? If you didn't, I'll bet McBean will
have it on the next plane kit out. I would imagine something that inovative
would triple his sales.
Pat Reilly
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:17 AM, <Catz631@aol.com> wrote:
I love coffee and was getting tired of balancing a large cup of coffee
between my legs when going to early morning smooth air get together's so I
came up with this idea after seeing a coffee holder in a Valor.
It is a folding drink holder attached with a screw to the bungee mount. I
tapped the hole and it fits perfectly with no control interference. I have
included a couple of pictures. That seat has been removed. The holder is to
the left of the passenger stick.
I no longer have bungee's as I installed the "bush gear"so the former
bungee mount worked well.
So, if you love coffee as much as I do,this gives you an idea (OK you can
quit laughing now )
Dick Maddux
Fox 4
Milton,Fl
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall materiel? |
I agree it was just my poor terminology. Never the less FD had to do 110 planes
to meet the ASTM standard. Out of 110 planes there are only a few die hards left.
I have two to do this month with the Rotax 5 year rubber replacement. They
are easy to install, but everything on the firewall needs to come off with a
couple of exceptions. The engine mount and all the other accessories mounted
to the firewall holds it in place. Then you can use aluminum tape to make the
edges nice and neat. The FD firewall blanket is a stainless steel thick foil with
a batting on the back. You do need to be careful around the edges because
it is like a very sharp knife. You also need to make sure all your oil and fuel
lines are encased in firesleeve. The #10 fits the fuel lines and the #14 the
oil lines.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
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