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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Brake sticks (Paul Franz - Merlin GT)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE (lane taylor)
3. 04:50 AM - Re: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE (lane taylor)
4. 06:32 AM - Re: landing rpm (Pete Christensen)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: Brake sticks (Roger Lee)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: landing rpm (Pete Christensen)
7. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Brake sticks (Pete Christensen)
8. 06:57 AM - Re: landing rpm (Patrick Reilly)
9. 11:42 AM - Re: landing rpm (Patrick Reilly)
10. 11:54 AM - Re: landing rpm (kerrjohna@comcast.net)
11. 01:04 PM - Re: landing rpm (Patrick Reilly)
12. 07:36 PM - Re: landing rpm (Jim_and_Lucy Chuk)
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| Subject: | Re: Brake sticks |
On Tue, May 10, 2011 8:31 am, peteohms wrote:
>
> I have a bit of a problem with a sticking brake on My Ktfox III. When I taxi
for a
> long distance my left brake drags and eventually binds up. I am careful not
to apply
> any brake and this still happens. Any ideas??
Have you checked the wheel bearings?
--
Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
Office 425.440.9505
425.241.1618 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE |
Hi Dave, I have both and on calm days the ASI and GPS are very close as
are the VSI and GPS.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Fisher
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE
What are you using for Airspeed ?
ASI or GPS?
----- Original Message -----
From: lane taylor
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE
Apparently my earlier email had too many pictures so here's round
two....
C box 3:1
Three bladed wood GSC presently set at 14 degrees
Cruise and full throttle EGTs remain between 1100 - 1200 F
Duel plugs per head
Round cowl
The only fairing is on the wing struts. I don't have gap seals or
any other drag reducing strategies or devices. I've double checked my
wing dihedral which is set at 2 degrees per side. All my measurements
are within 1 or 2 mm of the manual's recommendation. She flies
great--just at a slower than anticipated rate of speed and climb. I'll
try your suggestions...
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE
On 5/10/2011 3:31 AM, lane taylor wrote:
The plane responds very well without any glaring drag issues.
EGT's 1120; plugs look great; jetting per the manual. I'm the builder.
Any feedback would be much appreciated. Perhaps it is what it is, but I
expected more speed and better climb.
Lane,
The key here is that the plane "responds well". Sounds like
it's working better than your measurements would indicate. So, as Tom
already said, the first things to check are your measurements:
a.. Tach with an model airplane optical tach.
b.. ASI with a set of accurate, no wing, GPS runs.
c.. Measure OAT while making the ASI runs to make sure your
density altitude is reasonable.
d.. Make time to climb measurements to verify the VSI. One trick
I learned while doing this was to get the aircraft in a stable climb,
take a picture of the panel with the GPS showing time, then wait a while
and take another picture. Get back to base and use the pictures to
figure out the rate of climb based on the change in time on the GPS and
the change in altitude.
Next I have some questions:
a.. What's your gearbox ratio?
b.. How many blades on the prop?
c.. Are the EGT's full throttle?
d.. Is this a single plug head?
e.. Is this a round cowl?
f.. What has been faired? Possible options include:
a.. Wing struts
b.. Jury struts
c.. Radiator
d.. Horizontal stab struts
e.. Vertical / horizontal junction
f.. Gaps on vertical and horizontal
g.. What kind of wing tips are you running? (A picture might
answer a lot of these.)
h.. What's your radiator installation look like?
Your speeds are low, as my 582 powered IV will top out at 110
mph at 6800 rpm. However I've been told my 582 is "fast" for what it's
worth. It has everything faired but the radiator. I understand that
"dirty" IV's are much slower. (I've heard 15%, or 15mph for the wing
struts alone.) Enough for now.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE |
Thanks again Gary. I'm praying for something simple as well--climbing
and diving's getting old. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Buchanan
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: MODEL IV-1200 PERFORMANCE
On 5/10/2011 2:26 PM, lane taylor wrote:
The only fairing is on the wing struts. I don't have gap seals or
any other drag reducing strategies or devices. I've double checked my
wing dihedral which is set at 2 degrees per side. All my measurements
are within 1 or 2 mm of the manual's recommendation. She flies
great--just at a slower than anticipated rate of speed and climb. I'll
try your suggestions...
Yep. Clean enough, and very attractive. You should be going at least
my speeds. I'd hope for an ASI or tach error.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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Sure did check the bearings John. I'm leaning towards Pat Reilly's
suggestion. I recently had the rudder/brake pedals off to install the
reinforcing kit and maybe the brake pedals are binding a bit. I'm going
to remove the pedals and ease up the fit a bit.
Pete
On 5/10/2011 2:56 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an
> easier task. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much
> different than the adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise
> speed seen with Model IV with 618 engine.
>
> John Kerr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>
> John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to
> 50. Thanks.
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net
> <mailto:kerrjohna@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back
> to approach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the
> pattern will yield improved landings. Last year, prompted by this
> discussion I flew final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held
> firmly in position until touch down. There was no float just a
> solid arrival. Using a slight amount of flair generates a greased
> landing with ~200 feet roll out.
>
> Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really
> slow landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is
> touching down at less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance
> of spinning off the valve stems as alluded to in another thread.
> 20 degrees flaps does provide increased adverse yaw and therefore
> opportunities to improve airmanship.
>
> AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical
> the problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
>
> John Kerr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com
> <mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com>>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>
> Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick
> back too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past
> about pulling stick all the way back and am over compensating.
> Pat Reilly
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net
> <mailto:egraylaw@swbell.net>> wrote:
>
> I dont get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay at
> 2500 on final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I
> can plop on the first 100 feet of runway. If flaring too
> high, try wheel landings for a while. Just fly it onto the
> ground and keep the tail up until almost to the turnoff with
> about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see
> where you are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on
> the brakes. Comments?
>
> PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and
> waiting for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the
> carshed. ONE FOR SLOW AND ONE FOR GO.
>
> Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake sticks |
They are right that the master cylinder needs to come all the way back out to it's
stop for the brake to fully release. If that isn't the problem then there
is another thing that can cause this. You will need to pull the caliper and remove
the piston. There you will see an "O" ring that needs to be checked and possibly
replaced and then check for any corrosion. This is where it will take
place if any moisture or dirt has migrated into this area. You can use a scotch
bright pad to clean the piston and it's mating surface, but don't get carried
away.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520-349-7056
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339549#339549
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OOps replied to the wrong thread.
It's hell to get old.
Pete
On 5/11/2011 8:29 AM, Pete Christensen wrote:
> Sure did check the bearings John. I'm leaning towards Pat Reilly's
> suggestion. I recently had the rudder/brake pedals off to install the
> reinforcing kit and maybe the brake pedals are binding a bit. I'm
> going to remove the pedals and ease up the fit a bit.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 5/10/2011 2:56 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an
>> easier task. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much
>> different than the adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise
>> speed seen with Model IV with 618 engine.
>>
>> John Kerr
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>
>> John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to
>> 50. Thanks.
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net
>> <mailto:kerrjohna@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced
>> back to approach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed
>> in the pattern will yield improved landings. Last year, prompted
>> by this discussion I flew final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the
>> stick held firmly in position until touch down. There was no
>> float just a solid arrival. Using a slight amount of flair
>> generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.
>>
>> Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really
>> slow landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is
>> touching down at less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no
>> chance of spinning off the valve stems as alluded to in another
>> thread. 20 degrees flaps does provide increased adverse yaw and
>> therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.
>>
>> AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the
>> chronical the problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
>>
>> John Kerr
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com
>> <mailto:patreilly43@gmail.com>>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com <mailto:kitfox-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>
>> Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick
>> back too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past
>> about pulling stick all the way back and am over compensating.
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net
>> <mailto:egraylaw@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I dont get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay
>> at 2500 on final and the prop seems to be producing drag,
>> since I can plop on the first 100 feet of runway. If flaring
>> too high, try wheel landings for a while. Just fly it onto
>> the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the turnoff
>> with about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you
>> can see where you are going-just keep that stick forward and
>> easy on the brakes. Comments?
>>
>> PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360
>> and waiting for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the
>> carshed. ONE FOR SLOW AND ONE FOR GO.
>>
>> Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
>>
>> *
>>
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>> ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
>>
>> *
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>> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>
>>
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>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Brake sticks |
Thanks to everyone who commented. I have a few things to try. The
simple solution is to squirt a little antifreeze on the brake pad before
I fly. Works great. But then, I use duck tape for cosmetic repairs.
Pete
On 5/11/2011 8:31 AM, Roger Lee wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Roger Lee"<ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
>
> They are right that the master cylinder needs to come all the way back out to
it's stop for the brake to fully release. If that isn't the problem then there
is another thing that can cause this. You will need to pull the caliper and
remove the piston. There you will see an "O" ring that needs to be checked and
possibly replaced and then check for any corrosion. This is where it will take
place if any moisture or dirt has migrated into this area. You can use a scotch
bright pad to clean the piston and it's mating surface, but don't get carried
away.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Repair Center
> Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
> Cell 520-349-7056
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339549#339549
>
>
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Pete, It beats the alternative! Keep us posted on the brake problem. I had
to pull the brake pedal, cut off the tab, and weld on a new tab with the
hole further away from the pedal to eliminate my bind. It was alot of work,
yet I had spent much more time originally trying to diagnose the problem.
The brake cyl rod was only missing full return by a 1/16 of an inch. Now
that you have said you had the pedals off, I'd lay heavy $ you have at leas
t
1 pedal not fully returning.
Pat Reilly
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Pete Christensen <
pchristensen10@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> OOps replied to the wrong thread.
>
> It's hell to get old.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 5/11/2011 8:29 AM, Pete Christensen wrote:
>
> Sure did check the bearings John. I'm leaning towards Pat Reilly's
> suggestion. I recently had the rudder/brake pedals off to install the
> reinforcing kit and maybe the brake pedals are binding a bit. I'm going
to
> remove the pedals and ease up the fit a bit.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On 5/10/2011 2:56 PM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easier
> task. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than
the
> adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV w
ith
> 618 engine.
>
>
> John Kerr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com> <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>
> John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to 50.
> Thanks.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to
>> approach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern
will
>> yield improved landings. Last year, prompted by this discussion I flew
>> final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position unti
l
>> touch down. There was no float just a solid arrival. Using a slight am
ount
>> of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow
>> landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching dow
n at
>> less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the va
lve
>> stems as alluded to in another thread. 20 degrees flaps does provide
>> increased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.
>>
>>
>>
>> AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the
>> problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kerr
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>
>> Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick back
>> too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past about pulli
ng
>> stick all the way back and am over compensating.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I don=92t get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay at 2500
on
>>> final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on the
first
>>> 100 feet of runway. If flaring too high, try wheel landings for a whil
e.
>>> Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the tu
rnoff
>>> with about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see wher
e you
>>> are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brakes. Comment
s?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting
>>> for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed. ONE FOR SLOW AN
D ONE
>>> FOR GO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>> Rockford,IL
>>
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> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
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Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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John, Cut my approach glide IAS from 60 to 55mph. Huge difference in contro
l
and bounce eliminated. Didn't have time to cut approach glide to 50mph. But
,
I will when I return from vacation in a week. Rather stay here and play.
But, wife says we're going to Puerto Rico. As the blues song goes, " She
treats me like a king, she makes alot of money, I don't worry about a
thing". ( She is a goverment employee.) She says we're going, then we're
going....... I'm crazy.....not stupid!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
> It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easier
> task. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than
the
> adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV w
ith
> 618 engine.
>
>
> John Kerr
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>
> John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to 50
.
> Thanks.
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to
>> approach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern
will
>> yield improved landings. Last year, prompted by this discussion I flew
>> final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position unti
l
>> touch down. There was no float just a solid arrival. Using a slight am
ount
>> of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow
>> landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching dow
n at
>> less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the va
lve
>> stems as alluded to in another thread. 20 degrees flaps does provide
>> increased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.
>>
>>
>>
>> AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the
>> problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kerr
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>
>> Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick back
>> too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past about pulli
ng
>> stick all the way back and am over compensating.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I don=92t get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay at 2500
on
>>> final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on the
first
>>> 100 feet of runway. If flaring too high, try wheel landings for a whil
e.
>>> Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the tu
rnoff
>>> with about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see wher
e you
>>> are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brakes. Comment
s?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting
>>> for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed. ONE FOR SLOW AN
D ONE
>>> FOR GO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
>>>
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>>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>
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you have now had an aha moment, go enjoy some ah moments then come back to
the "education and recreation" of home building.
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:38:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
John, Cut my approach glide IAS from 60 to 55mph. Huge difference in contro
l and bounce eliminated. Didn't have time to cut approach glide to 50mph. B
ut, I will when I return from vacation in a week. Rather stay here and play
. But, wife says we're going to Puerto Rico. As the blues song goes, " She
treats me like a king, she makes alot of money, I don't worry about a thing
". ( She is a goverment employee.) She says we're going, then we're going..
..... I'm crazy.....not stupid!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, < kerrjohna@comcast.net > wrote:
It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easier ta
sk.=C2- You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than
the adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model I
V with 618 engine.
John Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" < patreilly43@gmail.com >
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to 50. Th
anks.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, < kerrjohna@comcast.net > wrote:
Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to appro
ach speed.=C2- Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern wil
l yield improved landings.=C2- Last year, prompted by this discussion I f
lew final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position unt
il touch down.=C2- There was no float just a solid arrival.=C2- Using a
slight amount of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out
.
Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow landing
s at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching down at less
than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the valve stem
s as alluded to in another thread.=C2- 20 degrees flaps does provide incr
eased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.
AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the prob
lems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
John Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" < patreilly43@gmail.com >
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick back too
soon and relaunching. I=C2-have been negligent in the past=C2- about pu
lling stick all the way back and am over compensating.
Pat Reilly=C2-
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray < egraylaw@swbell.net > wrote:
I don=99t get the difficulty with rpms while landing.=C2- I stay at
2500 on final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on
the first 100 feet of runway.=C2- If flaring too high, try wheel landing
s for a while.=C2- Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until
almost to the turnoff with about 2800 rpm.=C2- The Fox makes great wheel
ies and you can see where you are going-just keep that stick forward and ea
sy on the brakes.=C2- Comments?
PS.=C2- I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting
for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed.=C2- ONE FOR SLOW
AND ONE FOR GO.
Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas arget="_blank"> http://www.matronics.com/Naviga
tor?Kitfox-List ttp:// forums.matronics.com _blank"> http://www.matronics.c
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John, I say, I'll always be better at working on airplanes than I will be a
t
flying them.
Pat Reilly
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
> you have now had an aha moment, go enjoy some ah moments then come back
> to the "education and recreation" of home building.
>
>
> J
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:38:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>
> John, Cut my approach glide IAS from 60 to 55mph. Huge difference in
> control and bounce eliminated. Didn't have time to cut approach glide to
> 50mph. But, I will when I return from vacation in a week. Rather stay her
e
> and play. But, wife says we're going to Puerto Rico. As the blues song go
es,
> " She treats me like a king, she makes alot of money, I don't worry about
a
> thing". ( She is a goverment employee.) She says we're going, then we're
> going....... I'm crazy.....not stupid!
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:56 PM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easie
r
>> task. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than
the
>> adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV
with
>> 618 engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Kerr
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:53:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>
>> John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to
>> 50. Thanks.
>>
>> Pat Reilly
>> Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
>> Rockford, IL
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to
>>> approach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern
will
>>> yield improved landings. Last year, prompted by this discussion I flew
>>> final at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position unt
il
>>> touch down. There was no float just a solid arrival. Using a slight a
mount
>>> of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow
>>> landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching do
wn at
>>> less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the v
alve
>>> stems as alluded to in another thread. 20 degrees flaps does provide
>>> increased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship
.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the
>>> problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kerr
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:20:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
>>>
>>> Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick back
>>> too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past about pull
ing
>>> stick all the way back and am over compensating.
>>>
>>> Pat Reilly
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don=92t get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay at 250
0
>>>> on final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on
the
>>>> first 100 feet of runway. If flaring too high, try wheel landings for
a
>>>> while. Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost
to the
>>>> turnoff with about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you can
see
>>>> where you are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brake
s.
>>>> Comments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting
>>>> for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed. ONE FOR SLOW A
ND ONE
>>>> FOR GO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
>>>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
>>> Rockford,IL
>>>
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>>> blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>>>
>>> *
>>>
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>>> ttp://forums.matronics.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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At that rate you just might get plenty of opertunitys to work on them!! LOL
Sorry=2C I couldn't resist that one. I'm a fine one to talk though=2C I'
ve had to do a bit of repairing at times myself. Keep flying=2C keep learn
ing=2C and keep having fun. I got another hour on my Avid this evening so
I'm in a good mood myself. Take care=2C
Jim Chuk
Avid MK IV (flying)
Kitfox 4 (building=2C kindof slowly latley)
northern Mn
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
From: patreilly43@gmail.com
John=2C I say=2C I'll always be better at working on airplanes than I will
be at flying them.
Pat Reilly
On Wed=2C May 11=2C 2011 at 1:50 PM=2C <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
you have now had an aha moment=2C go enjoy some ah moments then come back t
o the "education and recreation" of home building.
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday=2C May 11=2C 2011 12:38:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
John=2C Cut my approach glide IAS from 60 to 55mph. Huge difference in cont
rol and bounce eliminated. Didn't have time to cut approach glide to 50mph.
But=2C I will when I return from vacation in a week. Rather stay here and
play. But=2C wife says we're going to Puerto Rico. As the blues song goes
=2C " She treats me like a king=2C she makes alot of money=2C I don't worry
about a thing". ( She is a goverment employee.) She says we're going=2C th
en we're going....... I'm crazy.....not stupid!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford=2C IL
On Tue=2C May 10=2C 2011 at 2:56 PM=2C <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easier ta
sk. You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than the
adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV wit
h 618 engine.
John Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C May 10=2C 2011 12:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
John=2C I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to 50.
Thanks.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt
Rockford=2C IL
On Tue=2C May 10=2C 2011 at 9:53 AM=2C <kerrjohna@comcast.net> wrote:
Frequently in the past=2C difficulty in landing has been traced back to app
roach speed. Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern will y
ield improved landings. Last year=2C prompted by this discussion I flew fi
nal at 50mph ASI @ 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position until tou
ch down. There was no float just a solid arrival. Using a slight amount o
f flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.
Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow landing
s at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching down at less
than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the valve stem
s as alluded to in another thread. 20 degrees flaps does provide increased
adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.
AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the prob
lems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.
John Kerr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Reilly" <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday=2C May 10=2C 2011 8:20:37 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: landing rpm
Ed=2C Thanks for info. My problem=2C I believe has been pulling stick back
too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past about pulling
stick all the way back and am over compensating.
Pat Reilly
On Mon=2C May 9=2C 2011 at 11:19 PM=2C Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:
I don=92t get the difficulty with rpms while landing. I stay at 2500 on fi
nal and the prop seems to be producing drag=2C since I can plop on the firs
t 100 feet of runway. If flaring too high=2C try wheel landings for a whil
e. Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the tu
rnoff with about 2800 rpm. The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see wh
ere you are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brakes. Com
ments?
PS. I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting for
my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed. ONE FOR SLOW AND ONE FO
R GO.
Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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