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1. 02:38 PM - Bungees, really need help guys! (Dave)
2. 02:43 PM - Re: Bungee Time!! (Dave)
3. 03:42 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (dave)
4. 03:49 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Lowell Fitt)
5. 03:50 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Guy Buchanan)
6. 05:44 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Tom Jones)
7. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81 (kirk hull)
8. 07:08 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (dave)
9. 07:11 PM - Re: Bungee Time!! (dave)
10. 10:02 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Scott DeMeyer)
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| Subject: | Bungees, really need help guys! |
OK, I've been trying and I'm not making much headway. The lugs that the eye
loops hook over are not where my instructions show them on my Model IV 1050.
The bungees I removed were 92" and the ones I have are somewhat thicker and
only 60" long. The instructions supplied by Denney->Skystar are vague at
best so I can use the help!
I've been through the archives on both lists and cannot see whether or how
these will fit. I have my fingers in ice water and hope to make another try
on Saturday.
I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six
loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding
toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What
makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2)
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Well, that would be one way to go I suppose. You mention the price, keep in
mind there are a lot more little money sucking trolls between Lowell and
Nova Scotia than on the way to Illinois. They have to be fed or your
merchandise never arrives. I think if I ever choose to replace the stock
gear it will be for the Grove system. In the meantime, I have to replace the
cords on the system I have, and I'm having trouble.
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly
Sent: June-20-11 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee Time!!
Dave, I replaced mine with Lowell Fitt's bush gear. Try that. It's alot more
work and alot more $ but alot more friendly when I'm doing ground loops.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
Dave,
I think that I have posted many times the easiet way that I have found.
Use a hammer handle, I can do both side in 5 to 10 mins with a helper.
double that without.
60" hmm I think they a bit longer........ 66" rings a bell I got a bunch in
shop hanging that I got already made up....... I will go measure after dinner.
Worst part is those stupid big bulky aluminum nico press that were used. I just
crimped with heavy wire and tape them up . Slide right in.
If you cannot get 6 wraps go with 5 it will be a bit mushy.
make sure you got on safety cables -- so think they are dumb but trust me they
are not.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
Dave,
I don't know if the following addresses the issues you have, but Skystar in
the distant past apparently had trouble getting the 3/8" bungee material and
at one time substituted the 5/16" material. To get the same amount of
rubber around the hard points, they increased the length and number of
turns. The manual calls for 7 wraps of the 3/8" bungee material. I don't
recall the number of wraps for the 5/16" but ten or eleven sounds about
right.
As far as installing them, I always did it alone. I made a wedge of wood.
You might want to take a file or saw and score across the wedge to better
grip the bungee. After completing a wrap, I fed it through the bungee
bulkhead and pulling from the top, pulled as tight as I could. Then
without letting it slip wrapped it toward the ground. I put the wedge
between the bungee and the top tube in the bulkhead in a fashion that the
relaxing bungee draws the wedge tighter into the space. I proceeded that
way until the last wrap. I usually found that I had plenty of slack to
complete the attachment, then removed the wedge and everything moved back
into position. After a couple of flights with my typical landings, the
bungees moved into equal wrap lengths. Yes, I think it is typical to have
one wrap overlapping.
Regarding the Spring Gear. We are just here to help any way we can. That
is why we also carry the small crimp 3/8" bungee cord.
Hope this helps.
Lowell
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From: "Dave " <occom@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys!
>
>
> OK, I've been trying and I'm not making much headway. The lugs that the
> eye
> loops hook over are not where my instructions show them on my Model IV
> 1050.
> The bungees I removed were 92" and the ones I have are somewhat thicker
> and
> only 60" long. The instructions supplied by Denney->Skystar are vague at
> best so I can use the help!
>
> I've been through the archives on both lists and cannot see whether or how
> these will fit. I have my fingers in ice water and hope to make another
> try
> on Saturday.
>
> I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for
> six
> loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding
> toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What
> makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
On 6/23/2011 2:35 PM, Dave wrote:
> I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six
> loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding
> toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What
> makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2)
>
Personnel: 1
Procedure:
1. Tie wheels together. (It doesn't take much as friction does most of
the work. You'll want to put in a trucker's hitch to snug gear hard
against the fuselage.)
2. CAREFULLY unwind the old bungee. Don't just cut it unless you like
doing fabric work.
3. Put on new bungee getting as many wraps as you can without working
hard. Attach loop to peg.
4. Tape the leather to the vice grip jaws.
5. Take channel locks and CAREFULLY pull slack out of the bungee,
starting at the "inboard" end and working out. When you get to the last
loop, pull the slack then clamp the bungee where it goes over the upper
tube. DO NOT TRY TO GET ALL THE SLACK OUT, JUST ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER
WRAP. The remaining bungee will go around the lower tube and back to the
peg. This remainder will have a lot of slack in it.
6. Using the slack, take another wrap around the fuselage tubes.
7. Repeat 5 and 6 until you get six wraps. It turns out to be quite
easy. Just be careful not to shred the bungee with the channel locks or
vice grips. It doesn't take much pressure to get a grip and you don't
have to pull hard.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
I have the letter from the factory about different length bungees. It says the
3/8" cord is 66 inches long and requires 6 wraps. The 5/16" is 90 inches long
and requires thirteen wraps.
The rubber stop on the end of the gear should be trimmed to allow one wrap to sit
outside the fence.
For what it's worth the replacement cords I put on a couple years ago are 3/8"
and 60 inches long. I got 6 wraps. It took just about 15 minutes each using
vise grips with the jaws taped up.
A while back I saw a post, but of course can't find it now, from a guy that used clamps similar to these http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber 3935-52800-XCR-4PC&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=1058179&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 he said it was a fairly easy job using these clamps. I'm going to get some for my next bungee replacement session.
The trick is to stretch them as tight as you can on each wrap and do not lose any
progress on the last wrap while you stretch the cord on the next wrap. use
the clamp to hold each wrap as the next wrap is made.
here's three pictures worth 3000 words.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81 |
The below link is a picture of my classic IV with a Stratus EA-81 where you
can see the radiator. It is hung from turn barrels so it can be raised and
lowered. Once have the setting where I want it I will put a shroud on it.
http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php?id=1102.JPG
Kirk Hull
Editor SportFlight.net
Classic IV with a Stratus EA-81
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81
I appreciate the responses I've received to help with my perceived delima
on temps. Maybe I'm just being a little paranoid, but I sure don't want to
cause harm to my new engine. Anyway, I'm starting with the easiest stuff
first. Last night I changed the coolant out with a 80/20 mix and added
WATER WETTER. It was 50/50. Flew this afternoon for nearly two hours.
Took off and climbed to 2000 and leveled off. Temps good so I climbed on up
to 3500. Never saw over 210 on the water temp and the oil is staying less
than 200. However the OAT was about 82 on the ground when I took off as
opposed to the mid to upper 90's I've been flying in. I'll have to wait
(not long I'm sure) for another warm day to see what the 80/20 water wetter
combination does. Then it will be on to airflow over the radiator which I
now think is going to be my major problem. Thanks to you all for the help
and suggestions. I'll report my findings as I continue. Nine hours in a
week and been grounded two afternoons due to weather. Man what a blast this
experience is...
Andy F.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
> 60" hmm I think they a bit longer........ 66" rings a bell I got a bunch in shop
hanging that I got already made up....... I will go measure after dinner.
>
>
Yup I was right 66" it is .
hammer handle works great , no worry of damage to the new bungee.
If you still cannot figure it then buy a bush gear -- !!
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee Time!! |
> Well, that would be one way to go I suppose. You mention the price, keep in mind
there are a lot more little money sucking trolls between Lowell and Nova Scotia
than on the way to Illinois. They have to be fed or your merchandise never
arrives. I think if I ever choose to replace the stock gear it will be for
the Grove system. In the meantime, I have to replace the cords on the system I
have, and I'm having trouble.
>
for the price of a new gear I could fly commercial to NS return 3 times --
Bungees are not that hard -- use common sense
http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=87
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Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada
http://www.cfisher.com/
http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Bungees, really need help guys! |
The last time I did mine ( I've since changed to bush gear ) I used a tie-d
own strap hooked between the bungee loop and one of the cross member tubes
in the roof. Pull the bungee tight and then use the channel locks to carefu
lly work out the slack in the bungee wraps. Then you can easily hold enough
tension with your hand to get another wrap around the gear supports. I use
d this method for the last two wraps and it was very easy to do myself in a
bout 10 minutes for each side.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee
nan <gebuchanan@cox.net>=0A=0AOn 6/23/2011 2:35 PM, Dave wrote:=0A> I'm sur
e many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six=0A> lo
ops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding=0A
> toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What
=0A> makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2
)=0A>- - =0APersonnel: 1=0A=0AProcedure:=0A=0A1. Tie wheels together. (
It doesn't take much as friction does most of the work. You'll want to put
in a trucker's hitch to snug gear hard against the fuselage.)=0A=0A2. CAREF
ULLY unwind the old bungee. Don't just cut it unless you like doing fabric
work.=0A=0A3. Put on new bungee getting as many wraps as you can without wo
rking hard. Attach loop to peg.=0A=0A4. Tape the leather to the vice grip j
aws.=0A=0A5. Take channel locks and CAREFULLY pull slack out of the bungee,
starting at the "inboard" end and working out. When you get to the last lo
op, pull the slack then clamp the bungee where it goes over the upper tube.
DO NOT TRY TO GET ALL THE SLACK OUT, JUST ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER WRAP. The
remaining bungee will go around the lower tube and back to the peg. This re
mainder will have a lot of slack in it.=0A=0A6. Using the slack, take anoth
er wrap around the fuselage tubes.=0A=0A7. Repeat 5 and 6 until you get six
wraps. It turns out to be quite easy. Just be careful not to shred the bun
gee with the channel locks or vice grips. It doesn't take much pressure to
get a grip and you don't have to pull hard.=0A=0AGuy Buchanan=0ARamona, CA
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