---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/23/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:38 PM - Bungees, really need help guys! (Dave) 2. 02:43 PM - Re: Bungee Time!! (Dave) 3. 03:42 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (dave) 4. 03:49 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Lowell Fitt) 5. 03:50 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Guy Buchanan) 6. 05:44 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Tom Jones) 7. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81 (kirk hull) 8. 07:08 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (dave) 9. 07:11 PM - Re: Bungee Time!! (dave) 10. 10:02 PM - Re: Bungees, really need help guys! (Scott DeMeyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:53 PM PST US From: "Dave " Subject: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys! OK, I've been trying and I'm not making much headway. The lugs that the eye loops hook over are not where my instructions show them on my Model IV 1050. The bungees I removed were 92" and the ones I have are somewhat thicker and only 60" long. The instructions supplied by Denney->Skystar are vague at best so I can use the help! I've been through the archives on both lists and cannot see whether or how these will fit. I have my fingers in ice water and hope to make another try on Saturday. I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:50 PM PST US From: "Dave " Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Bungee Time!! Well, that would be one way to go I suppose. You mention the price, keep in mind there are a lot more little money sucking trolls between Lowell and Nova Scotia than on the way to Illinois. They have to be fed or your merchandise never arrives. I think if I ever choose to replace the stock gear it will be for the Grove system. In the meantime, I have to replace the cords on the system I have, and I'm having trouble. _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly Sent: June-20-11 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee Time!! Dave, I replaced mine with Lowell Fitt's bush gear. Try that. It's alot more work and alot more $ but alot more friendly when I'm doing ground loops. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuilt Rockford, IL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:02 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungees, really need help guys! From: "dave" Dave, I think that I have posted many times the easiet way that I have found. Use a hammer handle, I can do both side in 5 to 10 mins with a helper. double that without. 60" hmm I think they a bit longer........ 66" rings a bell I got a bunch in shop hanging that I got already made up....... I will go measure after dinner. Worst part is those stupid big bulky aluminum nico press that were used. I just crimped with heavy wire and tape them up . Slide right in. If you cannot get 6 wraps go with 5 it will be a bit mushy. make sure you got on safety cables -- so think they are dumb but trust me they are not. -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343933#343933 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:10 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys! Dave, I don't know if the following addresses the issues you have, but Skystar in the distant past apparently had trouble getting the 3/8" bungee material and at one time substituted the 5/16" material. To get the same amount of rubber around the hard points, they increased the length and number of turns. The manual calls for 7 wraps of the 3/8" bungee material. I don't recall the number of wraps for the 5/16" but ten or eleven sounds about right. As far as installing them, I always did it alone. I made a wedge of wood. You might want to take a file or saw and score across the wedge to better grip the bungee. After completing a wrap, I fed it through the bungee bulkhead and pulling from the top, pulled as tight as I could. Then without letting it slip wrapped it toward the ground. I put the wedge between the bungee and the top tube in the bulkhead in a fashion that the relaxing bungee draws the wedge tighter into the space. I proceeded that way until the last wrap. I usually found that I had plenty of slack to complete the attachment, then removed the wedge and everything moved back into position. After a couple of flights with my typical landings, the bungees moved into equal wrap lengths. Yes, I think it is typical to have one wrap overlapping. Regarding the Spring Gear. We are just here to help any way we can. That is why we also carry the small crimp 3/8" bungee cord. Hope this helps. Lowell -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave " Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys! > > > OK, I've been trying and I'm not making much headway. The lugs that the > eye > loops hook over are not where my instructions show them on my Model IV > 1050. > The bungees I removed were 92" and the ones I have are somewhat thicker > and > only 60" long. The instructions supplied by Denney->Skystar are vague at > best so I can use the help! > > I've been through the archives on both lists and cannot see whether or how > these will fit. I have my fingers in ice water and hope to make another > try > on Saturday. > > I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for > six > loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding > toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What > makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2) > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:43 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys! On 6/23/2011 2:35 PM, Dave wrote: > I'm sure many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six > loops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding > toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What > makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2) > Personnel: 1 Procedure: 1. Tie wheels together. (It doesn't take much as friction does most of the work. You'll want to put in a trucker's hitch to snug gear hard against the fuselage.) 2. CAREFULLY unwind the old bungee. Don't just cut it unless you like doing fabric work. 3. Put on new bungee getting as many wraps as you can without working hard. Attach loop to peg. 4. Tape the leather to the vice grip jaws. 5. Take channel locks and CAREFULLY pull slack out of the bungee, starting at the "inboard" end and working out. When you get to the last loop, pull the slack then clamp the bungee where it goes over the upper tube. DO NOT TRY TO GET ALL THE SLACK OUT, JUST ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER WRAP. The remaining bungee will go around the lower tube and back to the peg. This remainder will have a lot of slack in it. 6. Using the slack, take another wrap around the fuselage tubes. 7. Repeat 5 and 6 until you get six wraps. It turns out to be quite easy. Just be careful not to shred the bungee with the channel locks or vice grips. It doesn't take much pressure to get a grip and you don't have to pull hard. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:52 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungees, really need help guys! From: "Tom Jones" I have the letter from the factory about different length bungees. It says the 3/8" cord is 66 inches long and requires 6 wraps. The 5/16" is 90 inches long and requires thirteen wraps. The rubber stop on the end of the gear should be trimmed to allow one wrap to sit outside the fence. For what it's worth the replacement cords I put on a couple years ago are 3/8" and 60 inches long. I got 6 wraps. It took just about 15 minutes each using vise grips with the jaws taped up. A while back I saw a post, but of course can't find it now, from a guy that used clamps similar to these http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber 3935-52800-XCR-4PC&langId=-1&storeId=10151&productId=1058179&catalogId=10051&cmRelshp=req&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1 he said it was a fairly easy job using these clamps. I'm going to get some for my next bungee replacement session. The trick is to stretch them as tight as you can on each wrap and do not lose any progress on the last wrap while you stretch the cord on the next wrap. use the clamp to hold each wrap as the next wrap is made. here's three pictures worth 3000 words. -------- Tom Jones Classic IV 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp Ellensburg, WA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343948#343948 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bungee_instructionjpg_235.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bungee_installed_773.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bungee_6_wraps_166.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:59 PM PST US From: "kirk hull" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81 The below link is a picture of my classic IV with a Stratus EA-81 where you can see the radiator. It is hung from turn barrels so it can be raised and lowered. Once have the setting where I want it I will put a shroud on it. http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php?id=1102.JPG Kirk Hull Editor SportFlight.net Classic IV with a Stratus EA-81 _____ From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:08 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cooling Stratus EA-81 I appreciate the responses I've received to help with my perceived delima on temps. Maybe I'm just being a little paranoid, but I sure don't want to cause harm to my new engine. Anyway, I'm starting with the easiest stuff first. Last night I changed the coolant out with a 80/20 mix and added WATER WETTER. It was 50/50. Flew this afternoon for nearly two hours. Took off and climbed to 2000 and leveled off. Temps good so I climbed on up to 3500. Never saw over 210 on the water temp and the oil is staying less than 200. However the OAT was about 82 on the ground when I took off as opposed to the mid to upper 90's I've been flying in. I'll have to wait (not long I'm sure) for another warm day to see what the 80/20 water wetter combination does. Then it will be on to airflow over the radiator which I now think is going to be my major problem. Thanks to you all for the help and suggestions. I'll report my findings as I continue. Nine hours in a week and been grounded two afternoons due to weather. Man what a blast this experience is... Andy F. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:47 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungees, really need help guys! From: "dave" > 60" hmm I think they a bit longer........ 66" rings a bell I got a bunch in shop hanging that I got already made up....... I will go measure after dinner. > > Yup I was right 66" it is . hammer handle works great , no worry of damage to the new bungee. If you still cannot figure it then buy a bush gear -- !! -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343952#343952 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Bungee Time!! From: "dave" > Well, that would be one way to go I suppose. You mention the price, keep in mind there are a lot more little money sucking trolls between Lowell and Nova Scotia than on the way to Illinois. They have to be fed or your merchandise never arrives. I think if I ever choose to replace the stock gear it will be for the Grove system. In the meantime, I have to replace the cords on the system I have, and I'm having trouble. > for the price of a new gear I could fly commercial to NS return 3 times -- Bungees are not that hard -- use common sense http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=87 -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343954#343954 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:45 PM PST US From: Scott DeMeyer Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungees, really need help guys! The last time I did mine ( I've since changed to bush gear ) I used a tie-d own strap hooked between the bungee loop and one of the cross member tubes in the roof. Pull the bungee tight and then use the channel locks to carefu lly work out the slack in the bungee wraps. Then you can easily hold enough tension with your hand to get another wrap around the gear supports. I use d this method for the last two wraps and it was very easy to do myself in a bout 10 minutes for each side.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Guy Buchanan =0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Bungee nan =0A=0AOn 6/23/2011 2:35 PM, Dave wrote:=0A> I'm sur e many of you have done this! Please help out. Is there room for six=0A> lo ops at the bottom? My gear has a fence that keeps the cords from sliding=0A > toward the end. Can I pile the loops? Are there better instructions? What =0A> makes it easier? (besides a helper, perhaps mine will show for round 2 )=0A>- - =0APersonnel: 1=0A=0AProcedure:=0A=0A1. Tie wheels together. ( It doesn't take much as friction does most of the work. You'll want to put in a trucker's hitch to snug gear hard against the fuselage.)=0A=0A2. CAREF ULLY unwind the old bungee. Don't just cut it unless you like doing fabric work.=0A=0A3. Put on new bungee getting as many wraps as you can without wo rking hard. Attach loop to peg.=0A=0A4. Tape the leather to the vice grip j aws.=0A=0A5. Take channel locks and CAREFULLY pull slack out of the bungee, starting at the "inboard" end and working out. When you get to the last lo op, pull the slack then clamp the bungee where it goes over the upper tube. DO NOT TRY TO GET ALL THE SLACK OUT, JUST ENOUGH TO GET ANOTHER WRAP. The remaining bungee will go around the lower tube and back to the peg. This re mainder will have a lot of slack in it.=0A=0A6. Using the slack, take anoth er wrap around the fuselage tubes.=0A=0A7. Repeat 5 and 6 until you get six wraps. It turns out to be quite easy. Just be careful not to shred the bun gee with the channel locks or vice grips. It doesn't take much pressure to get a grip and you don't have to pull hard.=0A=0AGuy Buchanan=0ARamona, CA ============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.