---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/12/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 PM - Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Jim Crowder) 2. 04:21 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Lynn Matteson) 3. 04:57 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Guy Buchanan) 4. 06:05 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Don Hudgeon) 5. 06:26 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (jdmcbean) 6. 06:43 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (dave) 7. 08:12 PM - Re: Need a 15 hour Checkout preferably with a Local Florida or GA based CFI (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 8. 08:27 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 9. 08:30 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 10. 08:36 PM - Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) 11. 11:24 PM - Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel (Jim Crowder) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:02 PM PST US From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed tape labels generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, alcohol, lacquer thinner, and a heat gun as hot as I have so far dared to apply. None of this has worked so far. The labels have been in place about five years and seem to defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn't work either. Help needed--any suggestions? Jim Crowder ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:41 PM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel Jim...Have you tried Goo Gone? www.GooGone.com Pretty good stuff.... Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1135 hrs (since 3-27-2006) On Jul 12, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Jim Crowder wrote: > I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed > tape labels generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, > alcohol, lacquer thinner, and a heat gun as hot as I have so far > dared to apply. None of this has worked so far. The labels have > been in place about five years and seem to defy non destructive > removal. A fingernail doesnt work either. Help needed--any > suggestions? > > Jim Crowder > > www.matronics.com/contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:22 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel On 7/12/2011 3:05 PM, Jim Crowder wrote: > > None of this has worked so far. The labels have been in place about > five years and seem to defy non destructive removal. A fingernail > doesn't work either. Help needed--any suggestions? > Jim, My favorite, by far, is Motsenbocker's. I use it a lot. Goo Gone is OK, but much weaker. (The other Motsenbocker's (there are three) all work great for their advertised purposes, too.) *_Guy Buchanan_* Scoutmaster -- Troop 680 760.809.6145 scoutmaster@troop680.org www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel From: Don Hudgeon How about lighter fluid!!! Don On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > ** > On 7/12/2011 3:05 PM, Jim Crowder wrote: > > None of this has worked so far. The labels have been in place about five > years and seem to defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn=92t w ork > either. Help needed--any suggestions? > > Jim, > My favorite, by far, is Motsenbocker's. I use it a lot. Goo Gone is O K, > but much weaker. (The other Motsenbocker's (there are three) all work gre at > for their advertised purposes, too.) > > *Guy Buchanan* > > Scoutmaster ' Troop 680**** > > 760.809.6145**** > > scoutmaster@troop680.org**** > > ** ** > > www.troop680.org**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:25 PM PST US From: "jdmcbean" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel Believe it or not.. try WD-40.. that is about the only thing I use it for.. but works well.. Fly Safe !! John McBean Ph 208.337.5111 www.kitfoxaircraft.com "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground" From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Crowder Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:05 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed tape labels generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, alcohol, lacquer thinner, and a heat gun as hot as I have so far dared to apply. None of this has worked so far. The labels have been in place about five years and seem to defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn't work either. Help needed--any suggestions? Jim Crowder ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:39 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel From: "dave" http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/3mcitrubaseclean.php 3M makes another line for acrylic base adhesives. If you cannot soften with gas, varsol acetone or MEK try this stuff and it citrus based. http://www.lazair.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1072&p=7268#p7268 -------- Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada http://www.cfisher.com/ http://www.kitfoxflyer.com/ http://rotaxaircraft.com/forum/ Realtime Kitfox movies to separate the internet chatter from the truth http://www.youtube.com/user/kitfoxflyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346160#346160 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Need a 15 hour Checkout preferably with a Local Florida or GA based CFI From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Mon, July 11, 2011 12:15 pm, jdmcbean wrote: > This was just published on EAA E-Hotline. Although you would need to come > to him. > > > http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/arti...6_training.asp > The Kitfox he uses for instruction has a glass panel and there is a link to it here. Boy, oh boy, does this have appeal to me. Easy to read, has everything in one place, looks simple to hookup. I like it. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Tue, July 12, 2011 3:05 pm, Jim Crowder wrote: > I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed tape labels > generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, alcohol, lacquer thinner, > and a heat gun as hot as I have so far dared to apply. None of this has > worked so far. The labels have been in place about five years and seem to > defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn't work either. Help > needed--any suggestions? They sound look very good labels. One that I have the labels tend to fall off on their own when exposed to sunlight or heat and cool cycles. What are they? And, I have some experience with removing some factory applied labels applied to some kind of laminate and they were hard to get off because the label itself was impermeable to the solvents. So, I bought this little razor blade knife that works like a plane and has little adjustable guides so you can pull it, rather than push. The tough label job was made worse because the labels were on a cylindrical surface. I used the little razor plane and shaved the labels down to the point there was only a residual dried glue remaining. I used a small squirt can, smaller than a can of lighter fluid that Goo-B-Gone came in and just wetted the glue and wiped it with one of those green kitchen scouring pads which resembles scotch brite. Three wet and wipe passes did the job. But before planing through the labels, the Goo-Be-Gone had no effect. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Tue, July 12, 2011 3:05 pm, Jim Crowder wrote: > I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed tape labels > generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, alcohol, lacquer thinner, > and a heat gun as hot as I have so far dared to apply. None of this has > worked so far. The labels have been in place about five years and seem to > defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn't work either. Help > needed--any suggestions? They sound look very good labels. One that I have the labels tend to fall off on their own when exposed to sunlight or heat and cool cycles. What are they? And, I have some experience with removing some factory applied labels applied to some kind of laminate and they were hard to get off because the label itself was impermeable to the solvents. So, I bought this little razor blade knife that works like a plane and has little adjustable guides so you can pull it, rather than push. The tough label job was made worse because the labels were on a cylindrical surface. I used the little razor plane and shaved the labels down to the point there was only a residual dried glue remaining. I used a small squirt can, smaller than a can of lighter fluid that Goo-B-Gone came in and just wetted the glue and wiped it with one of those green kitchen scouring pads which resembles scotch brite. Three wet and wipe passes did the job. But before planing through the labels, the Goo-Be-Gone had no effect. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Tue, July 12, 2011 3:05 pm, Jim Crowder wrote: > I am redoing my instrument panel and need to remove the printed tape labels > generated by a label machine. I have tried WD40, alcohol, lacquer thinner, > and a heat gun as hot as I have so far dared to apply. None of this has > worked so far. The labels have been in place about five years and seem to > defy non destructive removal. A fingernail doesn't work either. Help > needed--any suggestions? They sound look very good labels. One that I have the labels tend to fall off on their own when exposed to sunlight or heat and cool cycles. What are they? And, I have some experience with removing some factory applied labels applied to some kind of laminate and they were hard to get off because the label itself was impermeable to the solvents. So, I bought this little razor blade knife that works like a plane and has little adjustable guides so you can pull it, rather than push. The tough label job was made worse because the labels were on a cylindrical surface. I used the little razor plane and shaved the labels down to the point there was only a residual dried glue remaining. I used a small squirt can, smaller than a can of lighter fluid that Goo-B-Gone came in and just wetted the glue and wiped it with one of those green kitchen scouring pads which resembles scotch brite. Three wet and wipe passes did the job. But before planing through the labels, the Goo-Be-Gone had no effect. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. PAF Consulting Engineers Office 425.440.9505 Cell 425.241.1618 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:59 PM PST US From: "Jim Crowder" Subject: Kitfox-List: Removing Printed Identification Labels from Instrument Panel Wow! You guys really came through for me with a lot of great suggestions. I will give them all a try. After I got back to the house, my wife presented me with an unopened bottle of Goo Gone from her pantry. I will return to the hangar tomorrow afternoon with that and some of the other solvents suggested. I will report the results. The labels came from one of those little printers that sell at the office supply stores. You just never know what your next hang-up will be. I never guessed label removal would be one. The good news is that I installed my new Grand Rapids EFIS Display in my panel, lit it up and no smoke!. Not all of the sensors are wired yet, but even in the hangar it is a blast to play with. I'm like a kid at Christmas. It interfaces with the Grand Rapids EIS I already had. What a blast. The Grand Rapids people are one of the nicest groups I have ever dealt with. Sandy who answers the phone actually told me not to waste time going out and looking for the little parts I need to complete the install, and to just let her know what I need and she would just send them to me. I purchased the larger Sport model and the daylight viewable screen is really that. Moving map downloads and software upgrades are free forever. They say the feds don't charge them, so why should they charge their customers. See what Garmen has to say on that subject. When I buy an upgrade from Garmen, I am only allowed to use it in one of my Garmen products. Thank all of you for your responses. I suspect the problem as Paul says he once found, that my solvents are not getting through the label to the glue. I think I will need to attack the label material itself. 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