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1. 07:13 AM - Engine mounting (rawheels)
2. 10:40 AM - Feather with ailerons (rtmarshall)
3. 11:15 AM - Re: Feather with ailerons (Lowell Fitt)
4. 11:20 AM - Re: Feather with ailerons (Guy Buchanan)
5. 01:14 PM - Re: Feather with ailerons (rtmarshall)
6. 03:40 PM - Re: Feather with ailerons (Guy Buchanan)
7. 09:13 PM - Re: new member welcome (Paul A. Franz, P.E.)
8. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: new member welcome (rtmarshall)
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Are the engine mount attach points on the firewall the same for the I through IV
model aircraft, or did the attach points change as the fuselage got wider? Meaning,
can you buy a mount that was made for a model I or model III and put it
on a model IV?
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Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352946#352946
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| Subject: | Feather with ailerons |
Hello all fox flyers, Has any body ever considered spoilers or some
other lift eliminating devices for the kitfox 4/1200? In the winds and
thermals we get up here in the high desert has caused me to put on my
blown out Tail dragger tennies and really get the ole feet moving to get
this feather with ailerons on the tarmac safely. It is a blast to fly
and a real challenge to land where one would like to arrive at, but not
always the spot one picks because of this light wing loading. I have
flown all of the tail wheel planes and know what the feet are for! I
was landing yesterday in mild thermal conditions and X-winds the ship
did some wild gyrations akin to a square dance! a doe sa doe and almost
a alaman left! while still flying a few ft off the runway great fun but
not touching down where one would like! So the question of spoilers or ?
Because of the flaperons being limited while deployed as flaps I do not
use them. Blast away! Thanks for any and all comments. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
I recall in the day, several guys experimented by moving the up stop
for the flap portion of flaperon function to get a little reflex
flaperon. In my recollection, the stop was quickly restored in the
original position as reflexing the flaps caused the airplane to stop
flying pronto and they didn't like what they were experiencing. It
seems like this is what you are looking for, but again, I was a forum
observer and have no practical experience with the mod.
Lowell
From: rtmarshall
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:37 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Feather with ailerons
Hello all fox flyers, Has any body ever considered spoilers or some
other lift eliminating devices for the kitfox 4/1200? In the winds and
thermals we get up here in the high desert has caused me to put on my
blown out Tail dragger tennies and really get the ole feet moving to get
this feather with ailerons on the tarmac safely. It is a blast to fly
and a real challenge to land where one would like to arrive at, but not
always the spot one picks because of this light wing loading. I have
flown all of the tail wheel planes and know what the feet are for! I
was landing yesterday in mild thermal conditions and X-winds the ship
did some wild gyrations akin to a square dance! a doe sa doe and almost
a alaman left! while still flying a few ft off the runway great fun but
not touching down where one would like! So the question of spoilers or ?
Because of the flaperons being limited while deployed as flaps I do not
use them. Blast away! Thanks for any and all comments. Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
On 9/22/2011 10:37 AM, rtmarshall wrote:
> Because of the flaperons being limited while deployed as flaps I do
> not use them. Blast away! Thanks for any and all comments. Bob
Bob,
First, please put your full name, location, and aircraft type /
status in your signature. It makes things much more friendly. Next,
never heard of spoilers on a Kitfox, or any other drag device. Most
think it's got too much drag to begin with! I rarely use flaps too, and
windy landings can be entertaining, but my solution is to wheel land
with a little more speed so you have a little more control. Plus my
plane's got enough ground clearance that you can push the stick forward
on roll-out and really plant the mains on the ground, thereby helping
keep the wings level. Sounds like you're having fun.
_*Guy Buchanan - List moderator
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded*_
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
Mr. Buchanan, Thanks for the reply, The email did contain the type of
aircraft( 4/1200)(its Status was obvious its flying) and the location
high desert and my name. I guess in trying to conserve band width I
committed
some sort of crime. The request was quite friendly. I did not know that
Matt Dralle appointed moderators for the kitfox-list email. All the
years I was on the rocket list and the RV and the Cessna 180 list I
never saw a moderator on the Email List. Forums yes. Blue Skies. Bob
From: Guy Buchanan
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:16 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Feather with ailerons
On 9/22/2011 10:37 AM, rtmarshall wrote:
Because of the flaperons being limited while deployed as flaps I do
not use them. Blast away! Thanks for any and all comments. Bob
Bob,
First, please put your full name, location, and aircraft type /
status in your signature. It makes things much more friendly. Next,
never heard of spoilers on a Kitfox, or any other drag device. Most
think it's got too much drag to begin with! I rarely use flaps too, and
windy landings can be entertaining, but my solution is to wheel land
with a little more speed so you have a little more control. Plus my
plane's got enough ground clearance that you can push the stick forward
on roll-out and really plant the mains on the ground, thereby helping
keep the wings level. Sounds like you're having fun.
Guy Buchanan - List moderator
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
On 9/22/2011 1:11 PM, rtmarshall wrote:
> I did not know that Matt Dralle appointed moderators for the
> kitfox-list email. All the years I was on the rocket list and the RV
> and the Cessna 180 list I never saw a moderator on the Email List.
> Forums yes. Blue Skies. Bob
Bob,
Welcome to the Kitfox List. Yep, Mike Gibbs and I are the "List
Nazis" and work hard to keep this a friendly, welcoming place. We insist
on "cordial" dialogue, the kind you'd get if you were standing around,
beers in hand, at the Annual Kitfox Fly-in in Idaho, and we like to make
it easy for folks to get to know one another, hence the names and places
and aircraft signature. Occasionally we've had to get obnoxious about it
but on the whole this is a great group of guys. Glad you could join us.
Guy Buchanan - List moderator
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | Re: new member welcome |
On Thu, September 22, 2011 1:11 pm, rtmarshall wrote:
> Mr. Buchanan, Thanks for the reply, The email did contain the type of aircraft(
> 4/1200)(its Status was obvious its flying) and the location high desert and
my name.
> I guess in trying to conserve band width I committed
> some sort of crime. The request was quite friendly. I did not know that Matt
Dralle
> appointed moderators for the kitfox-list email. All the years I was on the
rocket
> list and the RV and the Cessna 180 list I never saw a moderator on the Email
List.
> Forums yes. Blue Skies. Bob
Bob, the origins of this mail list precede Matronics by many years. In fact the
list
started on a text only list server prior to the existence of HTML browsers and
even
HTML. When the public began to join in on the Internet and not just computer science
types many problems arose in USENET and in mail lists. Spam being just one of them.
Most people had only very slow modem connections, 2400 baud being hi-speed. In
order
for the system to work, messages had to be kept short and anything not directly
related to the topic at hand had to be restricted. Arguing (flame wars), offensive
language had to be squelched immediately. This required an active moderator or
two,
sharing the job.
Since this group is by nature a skilled DIY people, interested in a common hobby,
some
minimums of introduction and identification standards evolved. We like to know
who
we're talking to, where they live and what their project is at the minimum. There
have
been a number of mail servers in the past that were always donated. The moderator
most
often was the owner of the mail server but sometimes not. The last move was to
Matronics and that choice was made because it looked like for quality of service
it
would have to go commercial either being supported with advertising or voluntary
funding. Matt's Matronics was already set up for voluntary support and that was
where
the group preferred to move. The group had two admins at the time of the move and
they
moved along with the list to Matronics. Subsequently both retired from the job
and Guy
Buchanon volunteered to continue the task. His intervention is almost never required
and no one that I can recall has ever been booted from the KF List since it has
been
served by Matronics. The group has changed a bit over time and it no longer has
any
childish flame wars so Guy only reminds people gently when we don't recognize someone,
he also might give help for people wanting to post pictures but overall it's really
a
pretty good group.
That said, I welcome you to the group and I'm absolutely certain that many others
do too.
--
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: new member welcome |
Thanks for the reply's.....................but, you will be adding one
more..................Bob's wife, me who is part owner and pilot.
Toodie and Bob Marshall
Nervino Airport O02 Beckwourth CA 4/1200 Flying.... for the fun of it!
Nervino has an Aerobatic Box for the performers of the Reno Air Races, each
year they come here to practice which is very enjoyable to watch as we live
across the highway. We are southwest of Reno/Stead Airport in CA.
We both are glider pilots, me from the 1950's and Bob the 1960's. lots of
time in gliders............Bob is a CFI II and glider Instructor, A&P, built
a Harmon Rocket which he just sold.
We flew with Dan Denny in the late '80's for a demo ride never thinking we'd
actually own a Kitfox. I tend to say more than Bob................~ : )
Oh, Bob is learning how to soar the Fox.......did pretty well today, cu's
everywhere. I get to try next time.
Thanks too for the background info on this list..............we were
previously on the Aeronca list having owned a Sedan..............now there's
a group that likes to talk!!
Hope to meet some of you one day. Toodie and Bob
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From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new member welcome
<paul@eucleides.com>
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