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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Feather with ailerons (Michel)
2. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: new member welcome (paul wilson)
3. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: new member welcome (Patrick Reilly)
4. 10:01 AM - 582 blues (Marco Menezes)
5. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Feather with ailerons (rtmarshall)
6. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: new member welcome (rtmarshall)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: Engine mounting (rawheels)
8. 11:19 AM - Re: 582 blues (Michael Cannon)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: 582 blues (Guy Buchanan)
10. 08:34 PM - 912s will not stay running update (Shane Sather)
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
redrocketrider wrote:
> Hello all fox flyers, Has any body ever considered spoilers or some other lift
eliminating devices for the kitfox 4/1200?
A friend of mine has an ASSO V aircraft with a spoiler that is a perforated plate
that lowers under the seat. I don't think it lowers the lift but rather, increases
the drag. Anyway, he says that it is very handy when landing and floating
on the ground effect cushion. It shortens the landing distance. I think it
may be better than changing something to the Kitfox's flaperon that are quite
... sensitive. For example, my "flaps" is only limited to ten degrees and ...
I never use them.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Norway
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353026#353026
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| Subject: | Re: new member welcome |
Ah yes. Good old Majodomo. started at CU by a Kitfoxer. I was one of
the first to sign up. My memory cells have the dates long forgotten ,
but seems like 1995?
Then the Major spread all over for various subjects. Back in the AOL
days because we new nothing about what to do.
Now days the forum boards have almost taken over. Matt keeps his
lists working just fine with his custom mods. I tried to fix my
lists, but the SW was to much to learn another language. So my lists
just struggled untill someone finally created a Forum replacement. A
good thing and allowed build time.
PaulW
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At 10:10 PM 9/22/2011, Paul A. Franz, P.E. wrote:
>
>On Thu, September 22, 2011 1:11 pm, rtmarshall wrote:
> > Mr. Buchanan, Thanks for the reply, The email did contain the
> type of aircraft(
> > 4/1200)(its Status was obvious its flying) and the location high
> desert and my name.
> > I guess in trying to conserve band width I committed
> > some sort of crime. The request was quite friendly. I did not
> know that Matt Dralle
> > appointed moderators for the kitfox-list email. All the years I
> was on the rocket
> > list and the RV and the Cessna 180 list I never saw a moderator
> on the Email List.
> > Forums yes. Blue Skies. Bob
>
>Bob, the origins of this mail list precede Matronics by many years.
>In fact the list
>started on a text only list server prior to the existence of HTML
>browsers and even
>HTML. When the public began to join in on the Internet and not just
>computer science
>types many problems arose in USENET and in mail lists. Spam being
>just one of them.
>Most people had only very slow modem connections, 2400 baud being
>hi-speed. In order
>for the system to work, messages had to be kept short and anything
>not directly
>related to the topic at hand had to be restricted. Arguing (flame
>wars), offensive
>language had to be squelched immediately. This required an active
>moderator or two,
>sharing the job.
>
>Since this group is by nature a skilled DIY people, interested in a
>common hobby, some
>minimums of introduction and identification standards evolved. We
>like to know who
>we're talking to, where they live and what their project is at the
>minimum. There have
>been a number of mail servers in the past that were always donated.
>The moderator most
>often was the owner of the mail server but sometimes not. The last move was to
>Matronics and that choice was made because it looked like for
>quality of service it
>would have to go commercial either being supported with advertising
>or voluntary
>funding. Matt's Matronics was already set up for voluntary support
>and that was where
>the group preferred to move. The group had two admins at the time of
>the move and they
>moved along with the list to Matronics. Subsequently both retired
>from the job and Guy
>Buchanon volunteered to continue the task. His intervention is
>almost never required
>and no one that I can recall has ever been booted from the KF List
>since it has been
>served by Matronics. The group has changed a bit over time and it no
>longer has any
>childish flame wars so Guy only reminds people gently when we don't
>recognize someone,
>he also might give help for people wanting to post pictures but
>overall it's really a
>pretty good group.
>
>That said, I welcome you to the group and I'm absolutely certain
>that many others do too.
>
>--
>Paul A. Franz, P.E.
>PAF Consulting Engineers
>Office 425.440.9505
>Cell 425.241.1618
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| Subject: | Re: new member welcome |
Toodie, How about keeping us cluded in on the particulars of you and Bob's
Kitfox soaring ventures.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:39 PM, rtmarshall <rtav8or2@psln.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply's.....................but, you will be adding one
> more..................Bob's wife, me who is part owner and pilot.
>
> Toodie and Bob Marshall
> Nervino Airport O02 Beckwourth CA 4/1200 Flying.... for the fun of it!
>
> Nervino has an Aerobatic Box for the performers of the Reno Air Races, each
> year they come here to practice which is very enjoyable to watch as we live
> across the highway. We are southwest of Reno/Stead Airport in CA.
>
> We both are glider pilots, me from the 1950's and Bob the 1960's. lots of
> time in gliders............Bob is a CFI II and glider Instructor, A&P,
> built
> a Harmon Rocket which he just sold.
> We flew with Dan Denny in the late '80's for a demo ride never thinking
> we'd
> actually own a Kitfox. I tend to say more than Bob................~ : )
> Oh, Bob is learning how to soar the Fox.......did pretty well today, cu's
> everywhere. I get to try next time.
>
> Thanks too for the background info on this list..............we were
> previously on the Aeronca list having owned a Sedan..............now
> there's
> a group that likes to talk!!
>
> Hope to meet some of you one day. Toodie and Bob
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:10 PM
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new member welcome
>
> <paul@eucleides.com>
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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I've recently had my 582 overhauled and after tweaking the carbs she was re
ally running quite well. With cooling temps, last Sunday I changed plugs an
d leaned the mid-range a tad by raising the needle-jet clips one knotch. Th
en I went flying and everything seemed normal on climbout and once around t
he pattern. On final, just before touchdown, I tried a blast of power to so
ften the landing and to my surprise, the engine died.=0A-=0AOnce rolling
to a stop I had a hard time restarting. Even then, engine would miss and sp
utter between 2500 and 4000 rpms. I did notice that EGTs and CHT's-on aft
cylinder were substantially lower while this was going on. Seemed to read
& run OK at idle and at higher rps though. So I packed 'er up and went home
.=0A-=0AUnder the cowlings, no visible mechanical issues. Today on startu
p, idled fine, run up to 4000 rpms was normal. I cut power back to idle but
when I try to increase power again, engine sputters and dies above 2500 rp
m. Same result with both CDI's or either on.=0A-=0AAlso: Rebuilt Mikui fu
el pump at overhaul, plenty of gas and fuel filters are clear. As I write t
hisI recognize that there is also a fuel flow transducer upstream of the fu
el pump that could be blocking fuel flow. I'm going out to by-pass that rig
ht now.=0A-=0AAny other ideas?=0A-=0AMarco Menezes N99KX=0AModel 2 582-
90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch=0AHersey, MI 49639=0A-=0A-=0A.
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| Subject: | Re: Feather with ailerons |
Thanks Michel,
That is a great suggestion as Bob is concerned with putting something on the
top wing and really didn't want to mess with the flaperons at all. We have
flown with spoilers for a very long time and felt this could be a great
addition to the Fox.
The floating becomes an issue when there are thermals and a cross wind.
Need something to spoil the lift!
Thanks again, let you know what we decide to do.
Toodie and Bob Marshall
Beckwourth, CA Nervino O02
4/1200 flying the feather!
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 2:47 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Feather with ailerons
redrocketrider wrote:
> Hello all fox flyers, Has any body ever considered spoilers or some other
> lift eliminating devices for the kitfox 4/1200?
A friend of mine has an ASSO V aircraft with a spoiler that is a perforated
plate that lowers under the seat. I don't think it lowers the lift but
rather, increases the drag. Anyway, he says that it is very handy when
landing and floating on the ground effect cushion. It shortens the landing
distance. I think it may be better than changing something to the Kitfox's
flaperon that are quite ... sensitive. For example, my "flaps" is only
limited to ten degrees and ... I never use them.
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Norway
--------
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: new member welcome |
Be happy to! Might be a while, we are getting ready for winter even
though the temps are in the very high 80's this week............ we know
it will change soon. Bob is changing the oil in our tractor today for
plowing snow, just hope it doesn't start in October like last year. Was
a very long winter!
Toodie and Bob Marshall
Beckwourth, CA O02
4/1200
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:28 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: new member welcome
Toodie, How about keeping us cluded in on the particulars of you and
Bob's Kitfox soaring ventures.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:39 PM, rtmarshall <rtav8or2@psln.com>
wrote:
Thanks for the reply's.....................but, you will be adding
one
more..................Bob's wife, me who is part owner and pilot.
Toodie and Bob Marshall
Nervino Airport O02 Beckwourth CA 4/1200 Flying.... for the fun
of it!
Nervino has an Aerobatic Box for the performers of the Reno Air
Races, each
year they come here to practice which is very enjoyable to watch as
we live
across the highway. We are southwest of Reno/Stead Airport in CA.
We both are glider pilots, me from the 1950's and Bob the 1960's.
lots of
time in gliders............Bob is a CFI II and glider Instructor,
A&P, built
a Harmon Rocket which he just sold.
We flew with Dan Denny in the late '80's for a demo ride never
thinking we'd
actually own a Kitfox. I tend to say more than Bob................~
: )
Oh, Bob is learning how to soar the Fox.......did pretty well today,
cu's
everywhere. I get to try next time.
Thanks too for the background info on this list..............we were
previously on the Aeronca list having owned a Sedan..............now
there's
a group that likes to talk!!
Hope to meet some of you one day. Toodie and Bob
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul@eucleides.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:10 PM
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: new member welcome
<paul@eucleides.com>
ubscription,
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List
ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mounting |
For the record, here is what I got from the factory:
>
> The mounts on the early models that were manufactured by the factory, Were from
a template the builder would have to send backNo fixture during that era ..
So each engine mount could vary slightly.. This mainly applies to the M1
>
> Most of the 2s & 3s should interchange.
>
> But there is no good way to know 100% without taking mount & mount point measurements.
--------
Ryan Wheeler
Kitfox IV-1200
Indianapolis, IN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353049#353049
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If you raised the needle jet clips you leaned mixture since the jet needle w
as dropped lower into the jet.
Mike
Model II N490MC
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've recently had my 582 overhauled and after tweaking the carbs she was r
eally running quite well. With cooling temps, last Sunday I changed plugs an
d leaned the mid-range a tad by raising the needle-jet clips one knotch. The
n I went flying and everything seemed normal on climbout and once around the
pattern. On final, just before touchdown, I tried a blast of power to softe
n the landing and to my surprise, the engine died.
>
> Once rolling to a stop I had a hard time restarting. Even then, engine wou
ld miss and sputter between 2500 and 4000 rpms. I did notice that EGTs and C
HT's on aft cylinder were substantially lower while this was going on. Seeme
d to read & run OK at idle and at higher rps though. So I packed 'er up and w
ent home.
>
> Under the cowlings, no visible mechanical issues. Today on startup, idled f
ine, run up to 4000 rpms was normal. I cut power back to idle but when I try
to increase power again, engine sputters and dies above 2500 rpm. Same resu
lt with both CDI's or either on.
>
> Also: Rebuilt Mikui fuel pump at overhaul, plenty of gas and fuel filters a
re clear. As I write thisI recognize that there is also a fuel flow transduc
er upstream of the fuel pump that could be blocking fuel flow. I'm going out
to by-pass that right now.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch
> Hersey, MI 49639
>
>
> .
>
>
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On 9/23/2011 9:59 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> I've recently had my 582 overhauled and after tweaking the carbs she
> was really running quite well. With cooling temps, last Sunday I
> changed plugs and leaned the mid-range a tad by raising the needle-jet
> clips one knotch. Then I went flying and everything seemed normal on
> climbout and once around the pattern. On final, just before touchdown,
> I tried a blast of power to soften the landing and to my surprise, the
> engine died.
Well, for starters I'd move the clips back where they were, make sure
you've got the needle O-rings, and see what happens. Maybe she's not
ready for winter yet.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | 912s will not stay running update |
Good evening all.
Just an update to my 912s issue.
I did have a few spare moments this afternoon to go to my plane and
check the lines and pump. The pump is pumping and the lines are clear
right up to the carbs. So that must mean the issue has to be in the
carbs as I see it. Next chance I get I will check them out to find out
what is causing the issue. Maybe a stuck needle or plugged jets. So
that is good news in some ways.
After reading some of the todays postings I noticed fall weather seems
to bring out more issues. Cold weather does that.
All the best and be safe
Shane
Kitfox Light squared
Nunavut, Canada
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