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1. 01:34 AM - The mistakes I did (Michel)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: The mistakes I did (Tom Jones)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Elevator assembly (Lynn Matteson)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Elevator assembly (Lynn Matteson)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: The mistakes I did (Lynn Matteson)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: The mistakes I did (Patrick Reilly)
7. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Elevator assembly (Rick)
8. 08:05 AM - Re: The mistakes I did (bjones@dmv.com)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Mistakes (bjones@dmv.com)
10. 01:48 PM - Spinner (mike>bentley)
11. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Mistakes / Trailering (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky)
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| Subject: | The mistakes I did |
Friends, I suggest that we post here mistakes we did, in order to learn from each
other.
Here is my latest: Last Saturday, I refueled Avgas to the top (about 60 liters)
prior to flying to another airfield, only 15 minutes away. Behind me was a Cessna
that was in a hurry so I did a quick tanking.
Landing at the other airfield, I see fuel pouring down my left wing: I forgot its
lid and lost about 30 liters! Luckily, it was only a short flight and I have
two wing tanks. I remember reading on this forum, some years ago, about a Kitfox
pilot who did the same, but needed to do an emergency landing after a while.
I managed to tape the tank opening for the flight home, then found my lid in the
grass, near the Avgas station.
I have now edited my run-up checklist with a new item! CHECK TANK LID!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Norway
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
After the second time I took off with my seat belt flapping outside the door I
added "Seat belts fastened" to my take off checklist.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator assembly |
I used a hex bolt, and it's been going strong for over 5 years. I
couldn't see using the suggested clevis bolt, as trying to hold the
screwdriver end while tightening a nyloc nut is not much fun.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1187 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Rick wrote:
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> Couple of questions for the experts:
>
> I am attaching the elevator on my Kitfox IV.
>
> At the end of the elevator push-rod there is a rodend that is
> attached to the elevator with an AN23-15A (slotted head), this
> process was much easier before the fuselage was covered.
> Any downside to substituting with the equivalent size Hex bolt?
>
> Also when attaching the elevator to the horizontal stabilizer 4 of
> the 6 clevis pins are not through enough for me to access the hole.
> Any downside to getting a slightly longer clevis pin?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Thanks Rick, KitFox IV 912.
> 90% done, 90% to go.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator assembly |
With all this talk of wearing out the fabric, I was wracking my brain
to think why I don't have that problem....it's because I fattened out
that area when I installed ribs inside my vertical and rudder.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1187 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
> Rick, like Guy points out, the reason for the AN23-15A Clevis Bolt
> is that a hex head bolt will wear a hole in the fabric. Use an
> offset screw driver to install it. I think I remember using the
> side of the tip of a straight screw driver too.
>
> I had to use AN960-10L (light washers) and no washers on the heads
> of the pins to get enough clearance for the cotter pins. If that
> doesn't give enough clearance you may need to file off a little bit
> of the outside ends of the stab side of the hinges.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354611#354611
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
Thanks for the suggestion, Michel. I did nearly the same thing....I
was *talking* while adding 5 gallons to each of my two wing tanks (13
gallon capacity each), and forgot the cap on one side. Thank God I
didn't fill the plane as I was only going to fly around for an hour
or so. While flying, I noticed that the left side tank seemed to be
getting more full of fuel while the right side was going down. When I
landed, I saw the left cap missing....found it on my runway....and
now realized that the pressure being created in the right tank, and
the suction of air passing over the (open) left tank was causing the
fuel to migrate over to the left tank. Because I hadn't filled the
tanks to the top, the left tank had room to accept the migrating
fuel, and I landed before it had a chance to fill the left tank and
then siphon that fuel out into the airstream.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062
Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1187 hrs (since
3-27-2006)
On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Michel wrote:
>
> Friends, I suggest that we post here mistakes we did, in order to
> learn from each other.
>
> Here is my latest: Last Saturday, I refueled Avgas to the top
> (about 60 liters) prior to flying to another airfield, only 15
> minutes away. Behind me was a Cessna that was in a hurry so I did a
> quick tanking.
> Landing at the other airfield, I see fuel pouring down my left
> wing: I forgot its lid and lost about 30 liters! Luckily, it was
> only a short flight and I have two wing tanks. I remember reading
> on this forum, some years ago, about a Kitfox pilot who did the
> same, but needed to do an emergency landing after a while.
> I managed to tape the tank opening for the flight home, then found
> my lid in the grass, near the Avgas station.
>
> I have now edited my run-up checklist with a new item! CHECK TANK LID!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> Norway
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354637#354637
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
Mike, I did the same thing with a Cessna 150. I left the caps (both ) on the
wing. I never set the cap on the wing now. I always set the cap on the
ladder when gassing up.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Michel <michel@online.no> wrote:
>
> Friends, I suggest that we post here mistakes we did, in order to learn
> from each other.
>
> Here is my latest: Last Saturday, I refueled Avgas to the top (about 60
> liters) prior to flying to another airfield, only 15 minutes away. Behind me
> was a Cessna that was in a hurry so I did a quick tanking.
> Landing at the other airfield, I see fuel pouring down my left wing: I
> forgot its lid and lost about 30 liters! Luckily, it was only a short flight
> and I have two wing tanks. I remember reading on this forum, some years ago,
> about a Kitfox pilot who did the same, but needed to do an emergency landing
> after a while.
> I managed to tape the tank opening for the flight home, then found my lid
> in the grass, near the Avgas station.
>
> I have now edited my run-up checklist with a new item! CHECK TANK LID!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> Norway
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354637#354637
>
>
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator assembly |
Thanks to all for your input.
Looks like I will be pulling those clevis pins once again and they
don't remove easy.
--Rick
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:15:38 -0400, Lynn Matteson wrote:
>
> With all this talk of wearing out the fabric, I was wracking my brain
> to think why I don't have that problem....it's because I fattened out
> that area when I installed ribs inside my vertical and rudder.
>
> Lynn Matteson
> Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
> Jabiru 2200, #2062
> Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip
> Electroair direct-fire ignition system
> Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)
> Status: flying with "Ramcharger" intake manifold...1187 hrs (since
> 3-27-2006)
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Tom Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Rick, like Guy points out, the reason for the AN23-15A Clevis Bolt
>> is that a hex head bolt will wear a hole in the fabric. Use an
>> offset screw driver to install it. I think I remember using the side
>> of the tip of a straight screw driver too.
>>
>> I had to use AN960-10L (light washers) and no washers on the heads
>> of the pins to get enough clearance for the cotter pins. If that
>> doesn't give enough clearance you may need to file off a little bit
>> of the outside ends of the stab side of the hinges.
>>
>> --------
>> Tom Jones
>> Classic IV
>> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
>> Ellensburg, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354611#354611
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
I encountered serious turbulence over extremely unforgiving terrain for
about 50 miles in alll directions and noticed a small amount of oil just
behind the right rudder pedals at the junction of firewall and floor
board. Made precautionary landing on small, ROUGH, exposed mountain
airport in very gusty cross winds. Pulled nose up into some scrub bushes
to tie plane so it would not blow away while I looked for cause. With the
plane bouncing around in the gusty wind, I found the oil header tank top
was not quite properly seated with its large "0" ring to the oil header
tank on my early Rotax 912 and reseated it.
I thought it was interesting that it had been about 25 hours since the
last oil change, so apparently the small leak occured due to turbulence
splashing oil around in header tank, otherwise there may not have been a
noticeable leak despite the poor "0" ring seal. Also, Despite seeing oil
in the cabin, the oil loss was so small it did not show on the dip stick
and turned out to be of no consequence although seeing oil puddleing on
the floor board in the cabin was alarming. The PRECAUTIONARY landing
turned out to be more hazzardous than the oil leak. Lots of precautionary
landings end up giving insurance adjusters work.
Of course I got a new "0" ring, and pay more attention to seating oil tank
lid during oil change. But the incident also reminds me that since i fly
over really rough terrain and water a lot, I need to look really carefully
for any chaffing of coolant and oil lines during conformity inspections to
guard against engine stoppage or potentially hazzardous unplanned
landings.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912
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I have seen and heard of a couple of Kitfox airframes bending just ahead
of the tail when trailered WITHOUT the additional towing support struts.
These are the towing support struts that transfer wing weight to the
airframe at the base of the verticle stabilizer.
Without these supports, the fuselage ahead of the tail takes a lot of
additional load from the wings being folded back. (CG really shifts aft)
With the supports, that load is largely transferred directly to the
stronger structure in the tail.
I am one of the guys who trailers his Kitfox in an enclosed car trailer
all over the country, on some pretty bad roads, so this sort of thing
interests me.
But lots of folks have reason to occasionally move a Kitfox on a trailer,
consequently sharing the need for these aft wing supports could save some
folks alot of agrivation as well as cost.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912
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I'm looking for an 8 inch diameter spinner that will fit a GT 2 blade wood prop
on a Jabiru 2200. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
--------
Mike Bentley
Joplin, MO
Model 4-1200 (Rebuilding)
Jabiru 2200
GT Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Mistakes / Trailering |
BJ,
I am looking to build an enclosed trailer for my Kitfox 5 sometime in the
future, would love to hear any insight and suggestions you might have for me
from your trailering experiences.
Thanks,
Lloyd C
Northern Mi
KF 5 912 IVO IFA
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mistakes
I have seen and heard of a couple of Kitfox airframes bending just ahead of
the tail when trailered WITHOUT the additional towing support struts.
These are the towing support struts that transfer wing weight to the
airframe at the base of the verticle stabilizer.
Without these supports, the fuselage ahead of the tail takes a lot of
additional load from the wings being folded back. (CG really shifts aft)
With the supports, that load is largely transferred directly to the stronger
structure in the tail.
I am one of the guys who trailers his Kitfox in an enclosed car trailer all
over the country, on some pretty bad roads, so this sort of thing interests
me.
But lots of folks have reason to occasionally move a Kitfox on a trailer,
consequently sharing the need for these aft wing supports could save some
folks alot of agrivation as well as cost.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912
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