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1. 03:32 AM - Re: The mistakes I did (Michel)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: The mistakes I did (Lowell Fitt)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: EnclosedTrailering (bjones@dmv.com)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Mistakes / Trailering (bjones@dmv.com)
5. 11:19 PM - Re: Spinner (Lowell Fitt)
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
[quote="Pat Reilly"]I never set the cap on the wing now. I always set the cap on
the ladder when gassing up.[quote]
... that sounds like a good idea, Pat! I think I'll do the same!
Cheers,
Michel Verheughe
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
Norway
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: The mistakes I did |
The mistake I made in this regard was allowing the line boy to top up the
tanks. He did his job flawlessly until he reinstalled the caps. On the
left wing, he only engaged one side of the cap. With the cap present but
unsealed, it siphoned fuel. Our leg was a short one, but the fuel drain was
obvious from the site gauges.
Lowell Fitt
Kitfox IV-1200 900 hrs
912UL
Kitfox IV-1200 Close
912UL
Cameron Park, CA
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From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:29 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: The mistakes I did
>
> [quote="Pat Reilly"]I never set the cap on the wing now. I always set the
> cap on the ladder when gassing up.[quote]
>
> ... that sounds like a good idea, Pat! I think I'll do the same!
>
> Cheers,
> Michel Verheughe
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
> Norway
>
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> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354776#354776
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EnclosedTrailering |
Lloyd
I have a trailer like the one Kitfox had built for factory aircraft
transport many years ago. It is Eight foot 6 inch wide. Mine is 27 long
inside and is a little taller than the Kitfox unit so I can have room to
camp out in it over night if I wanted and carry equipment. It is a tight
fit with 2" wall studs. The wall studs need to be 2 inch or 1 1/2 inch
thick or the opening is too small, so you may need a custom builder. Pace,
Wells Cargo etc don't want to build trailers with thin corner studs
because they break bouncing down the road. I installed gussets or knees at
the corners on the last two studs to solve that problem.
Later i bought a smaller used trailer that had been built for a Kitfox so
I could keep a secong plane at a second home. It turned out to be 9 feet
wide which makes loading MUCH easier. Being 9' wide has not been a problem
for me. I have a lot of experience towing larger boats and 10 foot wide
boats are very common trailer rigs along coastal states without any
permits. If i were to build another it wouyld be 9' wide with 1 1/2 inch
wall studs, closely spaced for strength and with a one piece roof. Roof
joints leak because the trailer flexes some bouncing down the road. The
first trailer has a one piece roof and does not leak. The second has maybe
6 seams and IT LEAKS despite all the RV roof sealer I have tried.
Torsion axles allow the trailer bed to be lower than springs. This is an
advantage because the ramp incline is shallow. I pull mine in by hand
without a winch most of the time, and I'm a 64 year old 170 lbs weakling.
Both trailers have 12 volt winches for when I need them. Make sure you can
get load range E tires and wheels or figure on blowing tires frequently.
Trailer buiders have recommended soft 3500 lb rated axles for about 7,000
lb gross to avoid a ride that's harsh on the plane.
Grove style gear is too wide to allow loading nose forward. Gear can't get
past fenders inside. When loaded tail first, the engine end wants to
bounce around too much on its gear so I end up using heavy rubber bungees
and straps to float mounts to dampen the bouncing. I use chain straps over
the tires like you see sometimes on car tires when a car is on a trailer.
This helps prevent the plane from moving forward with hard braking or from
moving sideways. Of couse the walls have padding to prevent wing damage.
And the Kitfox braces that help support the wings forward and aft are
important or the fuselage can bend ahead of the tail or the connection of
the rear spar to cabin can be damaged. Off load all fuel you can before
trailering to get weight out of the wing.
I'm the only one I know who uses a small tail wheel trailer to move the
Kitfox maybe 3/4 mile from my house thru a back gate into one of my home
airports. The tail wheel is strapped in a "socket" on the deck of the
small trailer. This makes swinging the wing easy because the tail is
elevated into nearly flying position. And makes siphoning more fuel out of
wing tanks easier than with tail down. I roll the plane into both trailers
using the small tailwheel trailer and snap the small trailer hitch onto a
ball mounted to the floor of the big trailer. This helps keep the plane in
position. A support under the tail spring takes some load off of that
spring. Most folks who trailer their Kitfoxes find this to be important.
I have probably towed my Kitfox IV with Rotax 912 75,000 miles inside the
trailers so far without any significant problems.
There are lots of additional details that might be helpful but this gets
the conversation started. My cell is 443-480-1023. I'm retired, have the
plane in the Grand Canyon area now and am happy to chat anytime or e-mail.
Beware that I Only check e-mail every few days while touring.
Bob Jones
443-480-1023
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> BJ,
> I am looking to build an enclosed trailer for my Kitfox 5 sometime in the
> future, would love to hear any insight and suggestions you might have for
> me
> from your trailering experiences.
>
> Thanks,
> Lloyd C
> Northern Mi
> KF 5 912 IVO IFA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> bjones@dmv.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mistakes
>
>
> I have seen and heard of a couple of Kitfox airframes bending just ahead
> of
> the tail when trailered WITHOUT the additional towing support struts.
> These are the towing support struts that transfer wing weight to the
> airframe at the base of the verticle stabilizer.
>
> Without these supports, the fuselage ahead of the tail takes a lot of
> additional load from the wings being folded back. (CG really shifts aft)
>
> With the supports, that load is largely transferred directly to the
> stronger
> structure in the tail.
>
> I am one of the guys who trailers his Kitfox in an enclosed car trailer
> all
> over the country, on some pretty bad roads, so this sort of thing
> interests
> me.
>
> But lots of folks have reason to occasionally move a Kitfox on a trailer,
> consequently sharing the need for these aft wing supports could save some
> folks alot of agrivation as well as cost.
>
> BJ
> Kitfox IV 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mistakes / Trailering |
Loyd,
I saw a Kitfox clone in a new trailer sold by Atlantic Coast Trailers and
Built by United Trailers at Sun N Fun or Sebring Lite Sport Expo. A phone
number on my picture of the setup was 888-414-2287.
I do not know anything about either the builder or retailer.
Bob Jones
443-480-1023
> <7suds@chartermi.net>
>
> BJ,
> I am looking to build an enclosed trailer for my Kitfox 5 sometime in the
> future, would love to hear any insight and suggestions you might have for
> me
> from your trailering experiences.
>
> Thanks,
> Lloyd C
> Northern Mi
> KF 5 912 IVO IFA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> bjones@dmv.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:48 AM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Mistakes
>
>
> I have seen and heard of a couple of Kitfox airframes bending just ahead
> of
> the tail when trailered WITHOUT the additional towing support struts.
> These are the towing support struts that transfer wing weight to the
> airframe at the base of the verticle stabilizer.
>
> Without these supports, the fuselage ahead of the tail takes a lot of
> additional load from the wings being folded back. (CG really shifts aft)
>
> With the supports, that load is largely transferred directly to the
> stronger
> structure in the tail.
>
> I am one of the guys who trailers his Kitfox in an enclosed car trailer
> all
> over the country, on some pretty bad roads, so this sort of thing
> interests
> me.
>
> But lots of folks have reason to occasionally move a Kitfox on a trailer,
> consequently sharing the need for these aft wing supports could save some
> folks alot of agrivation as well as cost.
>
> BJ
> Kitfox IV 912
>
>
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Mke,
I think I'd scan the Aircraft Spruce online catalog and see what they have.
Lowell
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike>bentley" <mikeeeb@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:43 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Spinner
>
> I'm looking for an 8 inch diameter spinner that will fit a GT 2 blade wood
> prop on a Jabiru 2200. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> --------
> Mike Bentley
> Joplin, MO
> Model 4-1200 (Rebuilding)
> Jabiru 2200
> GT Prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354724#354724
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