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1. 06:31 AM - Kitfox 2 (Walter O'Neal)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Kitfox 2 (Aerobatics@aol.com)
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I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that run
s up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only ge
t from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money wi
th a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
In a message dated 11/23/2011 8:31:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
waltoneal@tidelandemc.com writes:
I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that
runs up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only
get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money
with a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in a
n effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
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I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that run
s up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only ge
t from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money wi
th a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
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do you have fairings on the Lift struts?
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I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
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I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that
runs up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only
get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money
with a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
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252-943-8265 Cel
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No fairings on the struts or wheel pants, and the radiator is under the flo
orboard. As I understand it from a friend who's been flying these little pl
anes forever believes I should be doing about 75 IAS @ 5500 RPM.
and Thanks for responding the way you have. I do appreciate it.
Walter O'Neal
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do you have fairings on the Lift struts?
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l@tidelandemc.com writes:
I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in a
n effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
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252-944-2409 Dir.
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
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@tidelandemc.com writes:
I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that run
s up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only ge
t from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money wi
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ONLY if you have lift strut fairings.... believe me been there
In a message dated 11/23/2011 12:36:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
waltoneal@tidelandemc.com writes:
No fairings on the struts or wheel pants, and the radiator is under the
floorboard. As I understand it from a friend who's been flying these little
planes forever believes I should be doing about 75 IAS @ 5500 RPM.
and Thanks for responding the way you have. I do appreciate it.
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aerobatics@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 2
do you have fairings on the Lift struts?
In a message dated 11/23/2011 10:35:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,
waltoneal@tidelandemc.com writes:
I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in
an effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 2
I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
In a message dated 11/23/2011 8:31:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
waltoneal@tidelandemc.com writes:
I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that
runs up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only
get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money
with a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
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252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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Walter,
Couple questions, where is your throttle setting at 5500 rpm? Do you know
what your prop is pitched to? You mentioned in your first post that you run
6100 static, are you saying if it is tied down on the ground you can hit
6100 rpm at WOT? If so I would say that your prop is not pitched heavy
enough. I use to have a Model 4 XL with a Rotax 503, no fairings on the
struts but did have wheel pants, empty weight was #530, gross was #950. I
was able cruise at 75 ias (verified via gps) @5500 on 53hp, you have a
couple things that are working against you though, as per the previous
response, wing strut fairings, wheel pants and the under-camber wing of the
model 3, if you have room to add some weight cleaning up some of these would
help.
Lloyd
Mod 5 912ul IVO IFA
Northern Mi.
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and Thanks for responding the way you have. I do appreciate it.
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do you have fairings on the Lift struts?
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I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in an
effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
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252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
In a message dated 11/23/2011 8:31:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that runs
up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only get
from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money with
a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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| Subject: | Kitfox IV-1200 for sale |
Kitfox IV 1200GW $26500 , Airworthiness year: 2000. Rotax 912UL 80HP, WarpDrive
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Walter, I have a Model 3 . It has a 582 and is heavy at 635# empty weight
with all the bells and whistles. I too cruise at 65 IAS. It's a Kitfox.
Enjoy the low and slow flying. You can spend alot of time and effort and
gain maybe 2 or 3 mph. If you want better cruise speed get a Whitman
Tailwind to park next to the Kitfox. Like all motorized equipment, they all
have designated purposes. The Kitfox with 582 is the poor mans Super Cub.
Enjoy it.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Walter O'Neal
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> I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try
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> I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that
> runs up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I can only
> get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right on the money
> with a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel needed.****
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Will it over-rev at WOT, straight and level, in the air? Maybe you
could try a little more pitch on the prop. Where is your CG? You might
get a bit more cruise by moving the CG a bit further back. Be cautious
and don't go too far, though. Fairings would be the next move.
Good luck.
Bob Taylor
TigerCub N657RT
From: Walter O'Neal
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 2
I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try
in an effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
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I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop
that runs up to 6100 static, I have the STOL wing with droop tips and I
can only get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 5500 rpm the ias is right
on the money with a gps in calm air straight and level. Wise counsel
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Lift strut fairings alone gave be almost 10 mph gain better climb.... a lar
ge difference
I climb st my old cruise speed.....
Dave
Kf2 582 flown it over 500 hours
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Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 2:03 pm
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Walter, I have a Model 3 . It has a 582 and is heavy at 635# empty weight w
ith all the bells and whistles. I too cruise at 65 IAS. It's a Kitfox. Enjo
y the low and slow flying. You can spend alot of time and effort and gain m
aybe 2 or 3 mph. If you want better cruise speed get a Whitman Tailwind to
park next to the Kitfox. Like all motorized equipment, they all have design
ated purposes. The Kitfox with 582 is the poor mans Super Cub. Enjoy it.
Pat ReillyMod 3 582 RebuiltRockford, IL
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Walter O'Neal <waltoneal@tidelandemc.com>
wrote:
I was hoping for 1 or several solutions that would give me I could try in a
n effort to give me a better cruise speed, or is my airspeed normal?
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
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252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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I had the exact combo what counsel would you like?
In a message dated 11/23/2011 8:31:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, waltoneal
@tidelandemc.com writes:
I have a kitfox 2 tail dragger, 528 with "b" box, GSC 3 blade prop that run
s up to 6100 static, I have the STOL
wing with droop tips and I can only get from my ias instrument of 65 @ 550
0 rpm the ias is right on the money with a gps in calm air straight and lev
el. Wise counsel needed.
Walter O'Neal
Director of Technical Services
Tideland E.M.C.
252-944-2409 Dir.
252-943-8265 Cel
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Walter, how do you know that you are actually turning 6100 rpm ?
Only tach I would trust is a tiny tach ==analog ones are not dependable.
I have a 2 here -- 75 cruise -- not faired but optimized prop. this is on
21" tires
my mod 4 58
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will sell fast-- if I was closer I would buy now likely
you could build a new Kitfox IV for over double your ask.
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