---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/12/12: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:25 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/09/12 (Lynn Matteson) 2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/09/12 (Malcolm Brubaker) 3. 06:05 AM - Re: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 (bjones@dmv.com) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: Where Have the Models Gone? (Jon Ferguson) 5. 07:56 AM - Re: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 (Lowell Fitt) 6. 09:42 AM - Re: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 (Guy Buchanan) 7. 10:27 AM - Re: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 (Lowell Fitt) 8. 03:12 PM - Re: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 (rtmarshall) 9. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: Tygon tubing 5/16 id (Joel Mapes) 10. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: Tygon tubing 5/16 id (Mike Chaney) 11. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: Crossing Lake MI (Paul A. Franz, P.E.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:06 AM PST US From: Lynn Matteson Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/09/12 C'mon, Dan.....you've got nothing but water under you for up to an hour, and given the problems that you and I have had with engines (and as for me, running out of fuel), is it worth taking the chance? Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with 1215 hrs... (since 3-27-2006) do not archive On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, dj45 wrote: > stanton1@comcast.net> > > And the problem with crossing Lake Michigan is??? > > -------- > Do not archive > > Dan Stanton > N801S CH 801 > N226BS CH701 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363117#363117 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:02 AM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/09/12 my budy flew the big lake 5 times in a drifter w/ a 503 and lodis floats. h e spends moor time flying over land with floats on than water sometimes. he did get lost over the lake once no compus.--ended up turning north for a while had to land in 6ft swells and re fuel almost died but made it. re fueled with the motor running. I herd the roul is 50 minuts in 50% water an d you have a 50 50 chance of dying. -=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022=0A =0A=0A_________________ _______________=0A From: Lynn Matteson =0ATo: kitfox-list @matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:21 AM=0ASubject: Re: K itfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/09/12=0A =0A--> Kitfox-Lis t message posted by: Lynn Matteson =0A=0AC'mon, Dan.....y ou've got nothing but water under you for up to an- =0Ahour, and given th e problems that you and I have had with engines- =0A(and as for me, runni ng out of fuel), is it worth taking the chance?=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragger=0AJabiru 2200, #2062=0APrince prop 64 x 30, P-ti p=0AElectroair direct-fire ignition system=0ARotec TBI-40 injection (sleeve d to 36mm)=0AStatus: flying with 1215 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)=0Ado not arc hive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 11, 2012, at 9:29 PM, dj45 wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kitf ox-List message posted by: "dj45" stanton1@comcast.net>=0A> =0A> And the problem with crossing Lake Michigan is???=0A>=0A> --------=0A> Do not archive=0A>=0A> Dan Stanton=0A> N801S CH 801=0A> N226BS CH701=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.matroni cs.com/viewtopic.php?p=363117#363117=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 From: bjones@dmv.com I replaced all hoses and installed an in-line water temp sending unit per Rotax/Lockwood suggestions, and about 30 hours later had to retighten clamps because of very slight coolant loss. I never saw signs of coolant on any pipe, hose, clamp, but retightening the clamps did the trick. As an aside, the in-line water temp is a bit HIGHER than the CHT mounted reading, even when gauges and sending units are switched, so an error in sending units, cables and gauges is not the cause. I use UMA gauges and matched sending units. BJ Kitfox IV with early S/N Rotax 912 80 hp > Hi John, The problem that I think I will have is that the coolant tank > radiator cap is about 1/2 the size of a standard cap. I know of a great > radiator shop over in Reno and I will take this gold plated beauty made > exclusively for Rotax and there probably is some smaller German car that > may have a cap this size, I am not totally toast yet, but I am losing > small amounts of coolant and it could be that all the air is not out of > the system yet, as I changed to dextron which has seemed to help but it is > 16 to 24 * F up here so it is hard to tell at this point, I thought I > would toss a new cap on just for grins but the old one certainly looks > good at the moment. Thanks for everybody's help once again. This is the > older 912. Bob > Toodie & Bob Marshall > Beckwourth, CA > KF/4/1200 flying > From: John W. Hart > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:30 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 > > > After a little research, found that the 912 uses a pressure of 1.2 bar > for the radiator cap. 1.2 bars is equivalent to 17.4 pound per square > inches. > > > 18 psi caps by Stant are available from amazon.com: > > http://www.amazon.com/Stant-10234-Radiator-Cap-PSI/dp/B000B8JUG6 > > > 17 psi caps are also available from amazon.com: > > http://www.amazon.com/Stant-10251-Radiator-Cap-PSI/dp/B000C8226K > > > I'd try one of these rater than shelling out $80. May be that your > local auto parts store can get one for you without the shipping charge. > > > John Hart > > KFIV > > Wilburton, OK > > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rtmarshall > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:25 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 > > > Hi All, > > > Happy New Year! > > > We have a dilemma, just got off the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they > want $80 for one radiator cap!! > > > Anyone know of another source to purchase one not costing that much? > > > Thanks Bob > > > Toodie & Bob Marshall > Beckwourth, CA > KF/4/1200 flying > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:03 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Where Have the Models Gone? From: "Jon Ferguson" Thats a beauty Tom! -------- http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363159#363159 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:03 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 John, this note reminds me that in the day the gasket would occasionally leak and someone came up with an automotive replacement. It was from a Mercedes, I believe. I can't find my reference. Maybe someone else has the info. Lowell From: rtmarshall Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:50 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 Hi John, The problem that I think I will have is that the coolant tank radiator cap is about 1/2 the size of a standard cap. I know of a great radiator shop over in Reno and I will take this gold plated beauty made exclusively for Rotax and there probably is some smaller German car that may have a cap this size, I am not totally toast yet, but I am losing small amounts of coolant and it could be that all the air is not out of the system yet, as I changed to dextron which has seemed to help but it is 16 to 24 * F up here so it is hard to tell at this point, I thought I would toss a new cap on just for grins but the old one certainly looks good at the moment. Thanks for everybody's help once again. This is the older 912. Bob Toodie & Bob Marshall Beckwourth, CA KF/4/1200 flying From: John W. Hart Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:30 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 After a little research, found that the 912 uses a pressure of 1.2 bar for the radiator cap. 1.2 bars is equivalent to 17.4 pound per square inches. 18 psi caps by Stant are available from amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Stant-10234-Radiator-Cap-PSI/dp/B000B8JUG6 17 psi caps are also available from amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Stant-10251-Radiator-Cap-PSI/dp/B000C8226K I'd try one of these rater than shelling out $80. May be that your local auto parts store can get one for you without the shipping charge. John Hart KFIV Wilburton, OK From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rtmarshall Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 4:25 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 Hi All, Happy New Year! We have a dilemma, just got off the phone with Aircraft Spruce and they want $80 for one radiator cap!! Anyone know of another source to purchase one not costing that much? Thanks Bob Toodie & Bob Marshall Beckwourth, CA KF/4/1200 flying http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:35 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 On 1/12/2012 7:52 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > this note reminds me that in the day the gasket would occasionally > leak and someone came up with an automotive replacement. It was from > a Mercedes, I believe. I can't find my reference. Maybe someone else > has the info. Lowell, Are you thinking of the Mercedes gas cap gasket? *_Guy Buchanan_* Assistant Scoutmaster -- Troop 680 760.809.6145 gebuchanan@cox.net www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:48 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 Guy, Thanks for that. I guess it is a little of the senior moment thing. Gas cap - radiator cap, all the same to me. Now if my wife was home, she could help me find the project I'm working on. Lowell From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 On 1/12/2012 7:52 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: this note reminds me that in the day the gasket would occasionally leak and someone came up with an automotive replacement. It was from a Mercedes, I believe. I can't find my reference. Maybe someone else has the info. Lowell, Are you thinking of the Mercedes gas cap gasket? Guy Buchanan Assistant Scoutmaster - Troop 680 760.809.6145 gebuchanan@cox.net www.troop680.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:57 PM PST US From: "rtmarshall" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 Hey thanks Guy. Toodie & Bob Marshall Beckwourth, CA KF/4/1200 flying Do not archive From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:01 PM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Radiator Cap for Rotax 912 On 1/11/2012 8:50 PM, rtmarshall wrote: I know of a great radiator shop over in Reno and I will take this gold plated beauty made exclusively for Rotax and there probably is some smaller German car that may have a cap this size, Hey my Acura has a teeny tiny radiator cap. I'll check it tomorrow. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:36 PM PST US From: Joel Mapes Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tygon tubing 5/16 id Not sure about other colors=2C but the yellow is translucent=2C so fuel flo w is visible. Here is a link to a source on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000PHF152/ref=asc_df_B000PHF1521858085?smid=A TVPDKIKX0DER&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN =B000PHF152 Joel Mapes Kitfox 5 912ULS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:26 PM PST US From: Mike Chaney Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tygon tubing 5/16 id I switched to the yellow tubing a few years ago.- I also used this tubing for my sight gauge.- I found it difficult to see the fuel level so-I p urchased two fuel gauge floating balls from I think Univair and placed them in the sight guage.- It works pretty good.- One problem was that the b alls were too large for the inside diameter of the tubing.- I had to file /sand the balls down to the correct size.- I know what some of you are th inking, I have too much time on my hands.=0A=0AMike=0A =0A=0A______________ __________________=0A From: Joel Mapes =0ATo: ki tfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:04 PM=0ASubje ct: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Tygon tubing 5/16 id=0A =0A=0A =0A-=0A-=0ANot sure about other colors, but the yellow is translucent, so fuel flow is vi sible. Here is a link to a source on Amazon.=0Ahttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B00 0PHF152/ref=asc_df_B000PHF1521858085?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=hyprod-20 &linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B000PHF152=0A-=0A=0AJoel =========================0A == ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Crossing Lake MI From: "Paul A. Franz, P.E." On Wed, January 11, 2012 6:29 pm, dj45 wrote: > > And the problem with crossing Lake Michigan is??? Very cold water and lots of it. -- Paul A. Franz, P.E. 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