---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/07/12: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:42 PM - Re: Non-Alcohol Fuel (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky) 2. 07:21 PM - lloyd and lorie (Malcolm Brubaker) 3. 07:43 PM - unusable fuel (bob noffs) 4. 08:31 PM - Re: Non-Alcohol Fuel (ctmcdowell@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:52 PM PST US From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel Guys, Has tank deterioration from ethanol been a concern with the Model 5 series tanks from 1997? From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel Kitfox IV here Ser # 1717 oringal glass tanks near 2000 hours = over 10,000 gallons or 50,000 litres run through these. I am using premium now but has been whatever i get at pumps....... average 5% ethanol Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell Fitt Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel Mike, My wish for non alcohol fuel is more fuel tank related. Then there is second hand reports of a local guy having vapor lock symptoms with his Rotax 80 hp after warm up. I'd go there in a heartbeat. I have 100 LL in it right now because I am waiting for a FAA inspection on my new project and don't want the booze sitting in my tank too long. Can't help with Jab specific. Lowell From: Mike Chaney Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel I'm trying to sort through the information concerning running non-alcohol, non-leaded auto fuel in my Jabiru 2200. (I currently use 100LL) I can't use the alcohol fuels because of the lining of my fuel tanks. I have found a supplier of a non-alcohol, non-leaded auto fuel rated at 91 octane. Is the 91 octane rating acceptable to run in the Jabiru 2200? I generally try not to over analyze issues and maybe 100 LL is perfectly fine to use. However, I keep seeing the lead vs non-lead issue popping up and wonder if I should try to move away fron the leaded fuel. I don't want to start this discussion all over again so my main question relates to the use of the 91 octane. Mike Chaney Kitfox IV Jabiru 2200 Ohio href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:41 PM PST US From: Malcolm Brubaker Subject: Kitfox-List: lloyd and lorie I met a- pilot from Sheboygan hell be flying of 40 hre in a xair from the air port there.-=0A- the rans clan is planning a trip camp you to Mack inaw Island- the 16 th of this month.-=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com =0AL SRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A (989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky <7suds@Chartermi.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@m atronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 5:42 PM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox- List: Non-Alcohol Fuel=0A =0A=0AGuys,=0AHas tank deterioration from ethano l been a concern with the Model 5 series tanks from 1997? -=0A-=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave=0ASent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:57 PM=0ATo : kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel=0A -=0AKitfox IV- here Ser # 1717- =0Aoringal glass tanks near 2000 hour s- =--over -10,000- gallons or 50,000 litres run through these. =0A-=0AI am using premium now but has been whatever i get at pumps....... average 5% ethanol=0A-=0A-=0ADave=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>F rom:Lowell Fitt =0A>To:kitfox-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent:Wednesday, June 0 6, 2012 2:52 PM=0A>Subject:Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel=0A>-=0A>Mike ,=0A>My wish for non alcohol fuel is more fuel tank related.- Then there is second hand reports of a local guy having vapor lock symptoms with his R otax 80 hp after warm up.- I'd go there in a heartbeat.- I have 100 LL in it right now because I am waiting for a FAA inspection on my new project and don't want the booze sitting in my tank too long.- Can't help with J ab specific.=0A>Lowell=0A>-=0A>From:Mike Chaney =0A>Sent:Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:39 AM=0A>To:kitfox =0A>Subject:Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel=0A >-=0A>I'm trying to sort through the information concerning running non-a lcohol, non-leaded-auto fuel in my Jabiru 2200.-(I-currently use 100L L)-I can't use the alcohol fuels because of the lining of my fuel tanks. - =0A>-=0A>I have found a supplier of a non-alcohol, non-leaded auto fu el rated at 91 octane.- Is the 91 octane rating acceptable to run in the Jabiru 2200?- I generally try not to over analyze issues and maybe 100 LL is perfectly fine to use.- However, I keep seeing the lead vs non-lead i ssue popping up and wonder if I should try to move away fron the leaded fue l.- I don't want to start this discussion all over again so my main quest ion relates to the use of the 91 octane.=0A>-=0A>Mike Chaney=0A>Kitfox IV =0A>Jabiru 2200=0A>Ohio=0A>-=0A>-=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com" >http://forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contributi on">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A>-=0A>-=0A>href="http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matroni cs.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/con tribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Kitfox-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronic ====================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:11 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: unusable fuel From: bob noffs i posted a few days about unusable fuel in my wing tanks. '' don't think zebra when you hear hoofbeats''. my problem is my plane flies a little nose high in level flight. GRAVITY! is causing the unusable fuel. bob noffs ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:24 PM PST US From: ctmcdowell@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel I've=C2-see all kind of problems with the 10% ethanol, not only in the fi berglass tank resin desolving but in o-rings, gaskets, seals, fuel lines, a nything organic. Some stuff is compatible, i.e. clear blue gas line, Polyet hlene fuel tanks. Good luck in your research.-Tom ----- Original Message ----- =C2-From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 5:42:16 PM Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel Guys, Has tank deterioration from ethanol been a concern with the Model 5 series tanks from 1997? =C2- =C2- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel =C2- Kitfox IV=C2- here Ser # 1717=C2- oringal glass tanks near 2000 hours=C2- ==C2-=C2-over =C2-10,000 =C2- gallons or 50,000 litres run through these. =C2- I am using premium now but has been whatever i get at pumps....... average 5% ethanol =C2- =C2- Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell Fitt Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel =C2- Mike, My wish for non alcohol fuel is more fuel tank related.=C2- Then there is second hand reports of a local guy having vapor lock symptoms with his Rot ax 80 hp after warm up.=C2- I'd go there in a heartbeat.=C2- I have 100 LL in it right now because I am waiting for a FAA inspection on my new pro ject and don't want the booze sitting in my tank too long.=C2- Can't help with Jab specific. Lowell =C2- From: Mike Chaney Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Non-Alcohol Fuel =C2- I'm trying to sort through the information concerning running non-alcohol, non-leaded=C2-auto fuel in my Jabiru 2200.=C2-(I=C2-currently use 100 LL)=C2-I can't use the alcohol fuels because of the lining of my fuel tan ks.=C2- =C2- I have found a supplier of a non-alcohol, non-leaded auto fuel rated at 91 octane.=C2- Is the 91 octane rating acceptable to run in the Jabiru 2200? =C2- I generally try not to over analyze issues and maybe 100 LL is perfe ctly fine to use.=C2- However, I keep seeing the lead vs non-lead issue p opping up and wonder if I should try to move away fron the leaded fuel.=C2 - I don't want to start this discussion all over again so my main questio n relates to the use of the 91 octane. =C2- Mike Chaney Kitfox IV Jabiru 2200 Ohio =C2- =C2- href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List "> http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matr onics.com href=" http://www.matronics.com/contribution "> http://www.matr onics.com/c =C2- =C2- href=" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfo x-List "> http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://foru ms.matronics.com href=" http://www.matronics.com/contribution "> http://w ww.matronics.com/c =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums. ===== == ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.