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hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my
hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to
the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel
gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than
taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like
airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set
up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the
cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks
that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all
haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
I can't answer your question about sloshing metal gas cans but I did want t
o point out that auto fuel octane and avgas octane are not measured in the s
ame way. You cannot directly compare the two numbers.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Kitfox Series 6
On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:49 AM, bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all,
> i have a gas tank slosh question.
> i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my ha
ngar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the h
angar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauge
s, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to t
he pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] a
nd $.70/ gal cheaper.
> anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containe
rs? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in ye
ars. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass f
ilter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it an
yway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i
think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and h
ave some rust now.
> then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
> any opinions?
> bob noffs
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Bob,
I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less
chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with
plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult
proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I
now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The
nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system,
but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car
- can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the
internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the
wing, but not tested here yet.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my
hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back
to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while
calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no
more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane
higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump
set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after
the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard
tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but
all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
bob noffs
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
mike,
yes, i understand the rating differences.mogas at 93 octane has the same
rating as avgas at 97-98 octane.
bob noffs
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> **
> Bob,
> I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less
> chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic
> cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans
> are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with
> these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are
> impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the
> nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty
> the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would
> seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here
> yet.
> Lowell
>
> *From:* bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> hi all,
> i have a gas tank slosh question.
> i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my
> hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to
> the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel
> gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than
> taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like
> airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
> anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
> containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
> problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set
> up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the
> cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks
> that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all
> haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
> then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
> any opinions?
> bob noffs
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Bob, Sounds like you already answered your own question. Por 15 is the only
slosh I'd use. I used it on a motorcycle tank with similar results as you.
I used Kreem on a street rod tank and had it come off in large
patches. But, I wouldn't use slosh unless I had to. There is no way to be
sure the tank is completely preped. Plastic gas cans are so inexpensive
that even slosh would cost more.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> **
> Bob,
> I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less
> chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic
> cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans
> are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with
> these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are
> impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the
> nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty
> the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would
> seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here
> yet.
> Lowell
>
> *From:* bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> hi all,
> i have a gas tank slosh question.
> i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my
> hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to
> the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel
> gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than
> taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like
> airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
> anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
> containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
> problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set
> up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the
> cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks
> that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all
> haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
> then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
> any opinions?
> bob noffs
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
lowell,
i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal can
in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or cowl
tank. takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop.
last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table and a
separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the
tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and
instant off when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the
glass filter already. i may use just the pump with the filter.
bob noffs
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley <taildragon@msn.com> wrote:
> **
> Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found
> at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success.
> Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
>
>
> http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> Bob,
> I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less
> chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic
> cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans
> are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with
> these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are
> impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the
> nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty
> the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would
> seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here
> yet.
> Lowell
>
> *From:* bob noffs <icubob@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
>
> hi all,
> i have a gas tank slosh question.
> i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my
> hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to
> the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel
> gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than
> taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like
> airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
> anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
> containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
> problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set
> up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the
> cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks
> that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all
> haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
> then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
> any opinions?
> bob noffs
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Roger,
Thanks for the tip. I have seen those before, but thought they were
converted water containers and didn't know where to find them.
Lowell
From: Roger Standley
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found
at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&
isClassified=false
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Bob,
I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less
chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with
plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult
proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I
now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The
nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system,
but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car
- can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the
internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the
wing, but not tested here yet.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to
my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul
back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while
calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no
more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane
higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump
set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after
the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard
tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but
all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
Bob, I have thought of an electric pump. Every catalog that has them I
look and dream. Always used the plastic cans with a towel on the wing.
Also always fueled at home through a Mr. Funnel. Lots of food for
thought.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
lowell,
i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal
can in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or
cowl tank. takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop.
last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table and
a separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the
tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and
instant off when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the
glass filter already. i may use just the pump with the filter.
bob noffs
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley <taildragon@msn.com>
wrote:
Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found
at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&
isClassified=false
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
Bob,
I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be
less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with
plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult
proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I
now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The
nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system,
but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car
- can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the
internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the
wing, but not tested here yet.
Lowell
From: bob noffs
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh
hi all,
i have a gas tank slosh question.
i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to
my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul
back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while
calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no
more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane
higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper.
anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal
containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no
problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump
set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after
the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard
tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but
all haven't been used in years and have some rust now.
then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece.
any opinions?
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| Subject: | Re: gas tank slosh |
On 7/3/2012 6:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
> Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found
> at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good
> success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting:
The off-road guys have been getting hefty fines for using these in
SoCal. Idiotic, I know, but there it is. If it doesn't say DOT approved
can you're out of luck. Welcome to California.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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