---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/03/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:49 AM - gas tank slosh (bob noffs) 2. 08:08 AM - Re: gas tank slosh (Michael Gibbs) 3. 10:49 AM - Re: gas tank slosh (Lowell Fitt) 4. 02:23 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (bob noffs) 5. 02:43 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Patrick Reilly) 6. 06:27 PM - () 7. 07:37 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (bob noffs) 8. 09:17 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Lowell Fitt) 9. 09:20 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Lowell Fitt) 10. 09:25 PM - Re: gas tank slosh (Guy Buchanan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:31 AM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh From: bob noffs hi all, i have a gas tank slosh question. i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now. then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. any opinions? bob noffs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh From: Michael Gibbs I can't answer your question about sloshing metal gas cans but I did want t o point out that auto fuel octane and avgas octane are not measured in the s ame way. You cannot directly compare the two numbers. Mike G. Phoenix, AZ Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Kitfox Series 6 On Jul 3, 2012, at 6:49 AM, bob noffs wrote: > hi all, > i have a gas tank slosh question. > i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my ha ngar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the h angar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauge s, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to t he pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] a nd $.70/ gal cheaper. > anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containe rs? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in ye ars. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass f ilter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it an yway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and h ave some rust now. > then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. > any opinions? > bob noffs > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:00 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Bob, I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here yet. Lowell From: bob noffs Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh hi all, i have a gas tank slosh question. i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now. then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. any opinions? bob noffs ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh From: bob noffs mike, yes, i understand the rating differences.mogas at 93 octane has the same rating as avgas at 97-98 octane. bob noffs On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > ** > Bob, > I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less > chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic > cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans > are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with > these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are > impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the > nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty > the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would > seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here > yet. > Lowell > > *From:* bob noffs > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh > > hi all, > i have a gas tank slosh question. > i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my > hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to > the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel > gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than > taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like > airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. > anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal > containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no > problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set > up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the > cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks > that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all > haven't been used in years and have some rust now. > then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. > any opinions? > bob noffs > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh From: Patrick Reilly Bob, Sounds like you already answered your own question. Por 15 is the only slosh I'd use. I used it on a motorcycle tank with similar results as you. I used Kreem on a street rod tank and had it come off in large patches. But, I wouldn't use slosh unless I had to. There is no way to be sure the tank is completely preped. Plastic gas cans are so inexpensive that even slosh would cost more. Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuilt Rockford, IL On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > ** > Bob, > I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less > chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic > cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans > are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with > these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are > impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the > nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty > the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would > seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here > yet. > Lowell > > *From:* bob noffs > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh > > hi all, > i have a gas tank slosh question. > i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my > hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to > the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel > gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than > taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like > airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. > anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal > containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no > problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set > up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the > cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks > that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all > haven't been used in years and have some rust now. > then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. > any opinions? > bob noffs > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Pat Reilly Mod 3 582 Rebuild Rockford,IL ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:16 PM PST US ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh From: bob noffs lowell, i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal can in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or cowl tank. takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop. last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table and a separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and instant off when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the glass filter already. i may use just the pump with the filter. bob noffs On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > ** > Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found > at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success. > Here is a link showing what I am suggesting: > > > http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0&isClassified=false > > Roger > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Lowell Fitt > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM > *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh > > Bob, > I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less > chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic > cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans > are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with > these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are > impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the > nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty > the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would > seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here > yet. > Lowell > > *From:* bob noffs > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM > *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh > > hi all, > i have a gas tank slosh question. > i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my > hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to > the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel > gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than > taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like > airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. > anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal > containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no > problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set > up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the > cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks > that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all > haven't been used in years and have some rust now. > then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. > any opinions? > bob noffs > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:43 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Roger, Thanks for the tip. I have seen those before, but thought they were converted water containers and didn't know where to find them. Lowell From: Roger Standley Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting: http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0& isClassified=false Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell Fitt To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Bob, I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here yet. Lowell From: bob noffs Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh hi all, i have a gas tank slosh question. i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now. then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. any opinions? bob noffs href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:31 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Bob, I have thought of an electric pump. Every catalog that has them I look and dream. Always used the plastic cans with a towel on the wing. Also always fueled at home through a Mr. Funnel. Lots of food for thought. Lowell From: bob noffs Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh lowell, i have a wooden box attached to top of my step ladder. set the 5 gal can in it , then use a ''jiggle pump'' to empty contents into wing or cowl tank. takes 2-3 minutes. never spill a drop. last week i set up a 12 volt fuel pump [carter] mounted on a table and a separate hand held switch. i have a filter on the end that goes in the tank. pumps a gal./ minute. makes it easy to fill to filler neck and instant off when i flip the switch. and surprising there is stuff in the glass filter already. i may use just the pump with the filter. bob noffs On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote: Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting: http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180905118739&siteId=0& isClassified=false Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell Fitt To: kitfox-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh Bob, I have always used the plastic cans because I felt there would be less chance for damage if not handled exactly right. The problem with plastic cans available now - at least in California - the child/adult proof cans are pieces of junk. I have never spilled more fuel than I now do with these spill resistant super safety designed cans. The nozzles are impossible. I routinely cut out the safety latch system, but then the nozzle is so short they are worthless when refueling a car - can only empty the first half of the fuel. On the airplane, if the internal valve would seal properly, I guess they would be OK on the wing, but not tested here yet. Lowell From: bob noffs Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:49 AM To: kitfox-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh hi all, i have a gas tank slosh question. i am leaning more lately to hauling 93 octane from a gas station to my hangar. i usually fill from the mogas pump at my airport and haul back to the hangar in 5 gal cans anyway. got started on this while calibrating fuel gauges, measuring fuel cap. etc. and now find it no more trouble than taxiing to the pumps. plus station gas is 2 octane higher[no ethanol like airport fuel] and $.70/ gal cheaper. anyway.................what is anyones experience sloshing metal containers? i did a por 15 on a cycle tank once and was satisfied, no problems in years. i would never pour from these tanks. i have a pump set up with a glass filter.i think i have read tank looks clean after the cleaner must coat it anyway. i have several gerry cans and outboard tanks that would work well and i think more crash proof than plastic but all haven't been used in years and have some rust now. then again 5 gal. plastic cans are only $15 a piece. any opinions? bob noffs href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:30 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: gas tank slosh On 7/3/2012 6:26 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > Lowell, you might look for some 5 Gallon Fuel Jug W/Hose Utility found > at most Motorcycle shops. It is what I have been using with good > success. Here is a link showing what I am suggesting: The off-road guys have been getting hefty fines for using these in SoCal. Idiotic, I know, but there it is. If it doesn't say DOT approved can you're out of luck. Welcome to California. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.