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1. 07:59 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (Paul Folbrecht)
2. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lowell Fitt)
3. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Scott DeMeyer)
4. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky)
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
akflyerbob wrote:
> I have 3K plus hrs in TD stuff and if it hadn't been for
> AKFLYER I whould have spudded my brand new KF l on
> my first flight.
> To say the least they are rudder unfriendly.
> Now that I can control it, it is a blast, and I am proud to
> own one. Well two, am working on a lll that was never finished.
> If you can fly, you will love the K F.
> Bob.
This is an old thread, but I have to ask you or someone to elaborate on the "rudder-unfriendly"
comment above.
And a new question: do large (tundra) tires make a TD more docile (less likely
to ground loop)?
(I did buy half of that Kitfox. Then I sold it because we had a baby born over
3 months premature and I spent evenings at the hospital for 3 months+. (He's
3 now, doing good, and loves airplanes along with his sister.) And now I am
considering an Avid or Kitfox again. Still no TD endors. but I did end up getting
about 50 hours in a Challenger II so I have light-plane experience. I plan
to get the TD endors. in a Cub soon and see how I like that first.)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380037#380037
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
Paul,
I doubt the larger tires make much of a difference. I guess in theory,
since a larger tire has more mass and takes a bit more energy to spin up on
first touch, that it might be a little bit destabilizing if both tires don't
touch simultaneously. A point worth mentioning. The bungee landing gear on
the early Kitfoxes was typically toed in. This will destabilize the the
ground handling. This is a topic touched on from time to time over the
years. Kitfox, I don't recall if it was Denney or Skystar, published a
bulletin regarding toe in and gave a method to check it and then correct it
by tying down the airplane and muscling the gear into alignment. I did that
with my first Model IV and never experienced the squirrely ground handling
that is often referred to. I think that wheel alignment would be one of the
first things I would check. An easy way to get a rough estimate of
alignment is to put a piece of tape on the aft surface of both tires at axle
height and put a vertical line on the tapes. Measure accurately between the
tape marks and then push the airplane forward until the mark is on the
forward side at axle height and measure again. If the measurement is less
than the aft measurement, it is toed in. The wheels should track parallel
or slightly toed out.
Lowell
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From: "Paul Folbrecht" <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?
> <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>
>
>
> akflyerbob wrote:
>> I have 3K plus hrs in TD stuff and if it hadn't been for
>> AKFLYER I whould have spudded my brand new KF l on
>> my first flight.
>> To say the least they are rudder unfriendly.
>> Now that I can control it, it is a blast, and I am proud to
>> own one. Well two, am working on a lll that was never finished.
>> If you can fly, you will love the K F.
>> Bob.
>
>
> This is an old thread, but I have to ask you or someone to elaborate on
> the "rudder-unfriendly" comment above.
>
> And a new question: do large (tundra) tires make a TD more docile (less
> likely to ground loop)?
>
> (I did buy half of that Kitfox. Then I sold it because we had a baby born
> over 3 months premature and I spent evenings at the hospital for 3
> months+. (He's 3 now, doing good, and loves airplanes along with his
> sister.) And now I am considering an Avid or Kitfox again. Still no TD
> endors. but I did end up getting about 50 hours in a Challenger II so I
> have light-plane experience. I plan to get the TD endors. in a Cub soon
> and see how I like that first.)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380037#380037
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
My Kitfox 4 always handled terrible on the ground. It was always a crap sho
ot on which way it was going to dart off to upon landing. Then I got rid of
the bungee gear and installed bush gear. Huge difference!! You could almos
t fall asleep when landing, after I installed the gear. I think the rudder
is just fine but the stock bungee gear sucks.=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0A=0A=0A=0AThis is an old thread, but I have to ask you or s
omeone to elaborate on the "rudder-unfriendly" comment above.=0A=0AAnd a ne
w question: do large (tundra) tires make a TD more docile (less likely to g
round loop)?=0A=0A(I did buy half of that Kitfox.- Then I sold it because
we had a baby born over 3 months premature and I spent evenings at the hos
pital for 3 months+.- (He's 3 now, doing good, and loves airplanes along
with his sister.)- And now I am considering an Avid or Kitfox again.- S
till no TD endors. but I did end up getting about 50 hours in a Challenger
II so I have light-plane experience.- I plan to get the TD endors. in a C
ub soon and see how I like that first.)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin
e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380037#380037=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Everybody ground loops? |
I had a 4 with the bungee gear and it handled great on the ground, like
Lowell mentioned, wheel alignment is an important part of the planes ground
handling. I have a 5 now with grove gear and even with the grove I checked
and aligned the wheels. Another element of good ground handling is to make
sure the tail wheel control cables / springs are tight between the rudder
and tail wheel and that the angle of the caster pin in the tail wheel is
either straight up or bottom slightly aft, if it is canted forward it will
cause the tail wheel to be at a high point when the wheel is straight and
will be difficult to hold there because it always want to fall off the high
point to the left or right.
Lloyd Cudnohufsky
Northern Michigan
KF 5 Outback
912UL IVO IFA
Status: Flying
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott DeMeyer
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?
My Kitfox 4 always handled terrible on the ground. It was always a crap
shoot on which way it was going to dart off to upon landing. Then I got rid
of the bungee gear and installed bush gear. Huge difference!! You could
almost fall asleep when landing, after I installed the gear. I think the
rudder is just fine but the stock bungee gear sucks.
_____
This is an old thread, but I have to ask you or someone to elaborate on the
"rudder-unfriendly" comment above.
And a new question: do large (tundra) tires make a TD more docile (less
likely to ground loop)?
(I did buy half of that Kitfox. Then I sold it because we had a baby born
over 3 months premature and I spent evenings at the hospital for 3 months+.
(He's 3 now, doing good, and loves airplanes along with his sister.) And
now I am considering an Avid or Kitfox again. Still no TD endors. but I did
end up getting about 50 hours in a Challenger II so I have light-plane
experience. I plan to get the TD endors. in a Cub soon and see how I like
that first.)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380037#38003w.matronics.com/Navi
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