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Mon 08/06/12


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     1. 02:53 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (Michel)
     2. 05:08 AM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (kirk hull)
     3. 06:45 AM - Re: Everybody ground loops? (mikeperkins)
     4. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Marco Menezes)
     5. 11:42 AM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
     6. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Jose M. Toro)
     7. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (kirk hull)
     8. 01:40 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Jose M. Toro)
     9. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
    10. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (kirk hull)
    11. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Mike Chaney)
    12. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Everybody ground loops? (Lynn Matteson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:53:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
    Paul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did a ground loop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I also went twice with the left wing on the ground in very strong side wind. Both were on asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My airplane looks at me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-) Cheers, Michel Kitfox 3 Jabiru 2200 -------- Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158


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    Time: 05:08:35 AM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    I cannot think of any tail wheel aircraft that is easier to land on pavement. Grass is the way to go. If you talk to the locals you might be surprised at how many airports have a grass strip available even if it is not listed on the map. Many small airports (in the Midwest at least) will have a grass runway right next to the paved runway. A great example is Roosterville airport in liberty MO. It has 20 ft of grass on either side of the paved runway.(see pic). http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php?most_viewed=yes&id=IMG _6605.JPG Kirk Hull Classic 4 Editor SportFlight.Net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops? Paul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did a ground loop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I also went twice with the left wing on the ground in very strong side wind. Both were on asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My airplane looks at me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-) Cheers, Michel Kitfox 3 Jabiru 2200 -------- Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158


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    Time: 06:45:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    From: "mikeperkins" <flybyewire@gmail.com>
    Regarding 90 mph cruise in a long-wing (35 ft) - - - I flew for 12 years not knowing that my original Denny Aerocraft ASI read 76 at 70. On the other end, it read 31 at 35. I figured it must have been calibrated in Dennys per Hour. My replacement helicopter-type ASI reads in actual mph. -------- Mike Perkins EAA TC/FA Havana, Illinois Model I, 532, B gearbox, GSC prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380171#380171


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    Time: 07:34:17 AM PST US
    From: Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    While I was getting comfortable landing my Model 2, I'd customarily land on the grass between the runway and taxiway at my home airport (watch the sig nage!). Nobody seemed to care.--I learned to fly taildraggers in a Pipe r PA-11 on grass. It is a much more forgiving surface.=0A-=0AMarco Meneze s N99KX=0AKF 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch=0AHersey, MI=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0ATo: kitfox-lis t@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2012 8:08 AM=0ASubject: RE: Kitf ox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message posted by : "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0A=0AI cannot think of any tail wheel ai rcraft that is easier to land on=0Apavement.- Grass is the way to go.- If you talk to the locals you might be=0Asurprised at how many airports hav e a grass strip available even if it is=0Anot listed on the map.- Many sm all airports (in the Midwest at least) will=0Ahave a grass runway right nex t to the paved runway.- A great example is=0ARoosterville airport in libe rty MO.- It has 20 ft of grass on either side of=0Athe paved runway.(see pic).- =0A=0Ahttp://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php?most_v iewed=yes&id=IMG=0A_6605.JPG=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AKirk Hull=0AClassic 4=0AEdit or=0ASportFlight.Net =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox- list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel=0ASent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:53 AM=0ATo: kitfox-l ist@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?=0A=0A have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did a ground=0Aloop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I also went=0Atwi ce with the left wing on the ground in very strong side wind. Both were=0Ao n asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My airplane looks =0Aat me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-)=0A=0AChee rs,=0AMichel=0AKitfox 3 Jabiru 2200=0A=0A--------=0AKitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co -========================


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    Time: 11:42:35 AM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Interesting that you should mention Roosterville, Kirk....I was going to fly in there last year to attend the Nascar race at Kansas, but the report was for high winds, so I drove out there instead. Coupled with the high winds being reported, and my research into the layout of the runway...20 feet wide, with a dog-leg....I decided against making the trip by Kitfox. After getting to Kansas and hooking up with my racing buddy, we drove to the airport to see what it looked like....it really wasn't as scary as it sounded, but the "cliff" at the north end might have been interesting if a guy landed long. : ) By the way, was that your Kitfox that I saw parked there? p.s. Another contributing factor in not flying there was the identifier for Roosterville.......0N0.....which I read as : Oh, NO! Which I took as a sign from God that I shouldn't fly there! Kidding aside, it was a very nice-looking airport, and I'm hoping to fly there this year for the October race. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with 1323 hrs... (since 3-27-2006) do not archive On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:08 AM, kirk hull wrote: > > I cannot think of any tail wheel aircraft that is easier to land on > pavement. Grass is the way to go. If you talk to the locals you > might be > surprised at how many airports have a grass strip available even if > it is > not listed on the map. Many small airports (in the Midwest at > least) will > have a grass runway right next to the paved runway. A great > example is > Roosterville airport in liberty MO. It has 20 ft of grass on > either side of > the paved runway.(see pic). > > http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php? > most_viewed=yes&id=IMG > _6605.JPG > > > Kirk Hull > Classic 4 > Editor > SportFlight.Net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:53 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops? > > > Paul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did > a ground > loop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I > also went > twice with the left wing on the ground in very strong side wind. > Both were > on asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My > airplane looks > at me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-) > > Cheers, > Michel > Kitfox 3 Jabiru 2200 > > -------- > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158 > >


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    Time: 12:25:09 PM PST US
    From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Paul:=0A-=0AProbably most taildraggers pilot have done at least one-gro und loop, but that does not means that every taildragger pilot will do a gr ound loop from time to time.- Once you know the technique, it is unlikely that you will have a ground loop under normal conditions.- Exceptions ar e broken chains or broken springs as mentioned in previous postings.=0A- =0AOnce you know the technique, there is nothing particular about performin g a wheel landing in a pavement runway.- =0A-=0AI strongly recommend a book that I studied when I was learning to fly taildraggers 20 years ago: T he Compleat Tailoragger Pilot by Harvey S. Plourde.- http://www.amazon.co m/Compleat-Taildragger-Pilot-Harvey-Plourde/dp/0963913700=0A-=0AFlying ta ildraggers bring an additional challenge and fun that you won't find on a t ricycle.=0A-=0ABest wishes!=0A-=0AJose=0A=0AFrom: kirk hull <kirkhull@k c.rr.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2012 8 :08 AM=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?=0A=0A--> Kit fox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0A=0AI cannot think of any tail wheel aircraft that is easier to land on=0Apavement.- G rass is the way to go.- If you talk to the locals you might be=0Asurprise d at how many airports have a grass strip available even if it is=0Anot lis ted on the map.- Many small airports (in the Midwest at least) will=0Ahav e a grass runway right next to the paved runway.- A great example is=0ARo osterville airport in liberty MO.- It has 20 ft of grass on either side o f=0Athe paved runway.(see pic).- =0A=0Ahttp://www.sportflight.net/display _pictures_large.php?most_viewed=yes&id=IMG=0A_6605.JPG=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AKi rk Hull=0AClassic 4=0AEditor=0ASportFlight.Net =0A=0A-----Original Message- ----=0AFrom: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox- list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel=0ASent: Monday, August 06, 2 012 4:53 AM=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kitfox-List: Re: Eve el@online.no>=0A=0APaul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did a ground=0Aloop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I also went=0Atwice with the left wing on the ground in very stron g side wind. Both were=0Aon asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really love s grass. My airplane looks=0Aat me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I la nd on grass! ;-)=0A=0ACheers,=0AMichel=0AKitfox 3 Jabiru 2200=0A=0A-------- =0AKitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ah ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ===================


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    Time: 12:43:58 PM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    It was most likely mine as is the only one on the field but a picture is worth a thousand words. The link below has some pics of my fox. As for the cliff ( known as mount Stuber) it is well to the east of the runway center line. The 20 ft wide is kind of misleading as it is 20 ft of pavement and another 15 ft of smooth grass on each side. Hopefully you can make the trip some time. I would love to see another fox in the rooster pin. If you do I will make room in the hanger for you. Just send me an email on the SportFlight.Net email address. PS. If you have any good pics of your fox I would love to have more kitfox pics added to sportflight. http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures.php?nnum=n205ak&searchnnum=yes&p ic_only=yes Kirk Hull Classic 4 Editor SportFlight.Net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops? Interesting that you should mention Roosterville, Kirk....I was going to fly in there last year to attend the Nascar race at Kansas, but the report was for high winds, so I drove out there instead. Coupled with the high winds being reported, and my research into the layout of the runway...20 feet wide, with a dog-leg....I decided against making the trip by Kitfox. After getting to Kansas and hooking up with my racing buddy, we drove to the airport to see what it looked like....it really wasn't as scary as it sounded, but the "cliff" at the north end might have been interesting if a guy landed long. : ) By the way, was that your Kitfox that I saw parked there? p.s. Another contributing factor in not flying there was the identifier for Roosterville.......0N0.....which I read as : Oh, NO! Which I took as a sign from God that I shouldn't fly there! Kidding aside, it was a very nice-looking airport, and I'm hoping to fly there this year for the October race. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with 1323 hrs... (since 3-27-2006) do not archive On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:08 AM, kirk hull wrote: > > I cannot think of any tail wheel aircraft that is easier to land on > pavement. Grass is the way to go. If you talk to the locals you > might be > surprised at how many airports have a grass strip available even if > it is > not listed on the map. Many small airports (in the Midwest at > least) will > have a grass runway right next to the paved runway. A great > example is > Roosterville airport in liberty MO. It has 20 ft of grass on > either side of > the paved runway.(see pic). > > http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php? > most_viewed=yes&id=IMG > _6605.JPG > > > Kirk Hull > Classic 4 > Editor > SportFlight.Net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:53 AM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops? > > > Paul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the only time I did > a ground > loop was when I broke the tailwheel spring on a hard landing. I > also went > twice with the left wing on the ground in very strong side wind. > Both were > on asphalt runways. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My > airplane looks > at me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-) > > Cheers, > Michel > Kitfox 3 Jabiru 2200 > > -------- > Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158 > >


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    Time: 01:40:52 PM PST US
    From: "Jose M. Toro" <jose_m_toro@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Kirt:=0A-=0AVery beautiful your Model 4.- Very"interesting" your runway .=0A-=0AJose=0A-=0A-=0A=0AFrom: kirk hull <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, August 6, 2012 3:45 PM=0ASubject : RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops?=0A=0A--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0A=0AIt was most likely mine a s is the only one on the field but a picture is=0Aworth a thousand words. - The link below has some pics of my fox.- As for the=0Acliff ( known a s mount Stuber) it is well to the east of the runway center=0Aline.- The 20 ft wide is kind of misleading as it is 20 ft of pavement and=0Aanother 1 5 ft of smooth grass on each side.- Hopefully you can make the trip=0Asom e time.- I would love to see another fox in the rooster pin. If you do I =0Awill make room in the hanger for you.- Just send me an email on the=0A SportFlight.Net email address. =0A=0APS.- If you have any good pics of yo ur fox I would love to have more kitfox=0Apics added to sportflight.=0A=0A =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures.php?nnum=n205ak&sear chnnum=yes&p=0Aic_only=yes=0A=0A=0A=0AKirk Hull=0AClassic 4=0AEditor=0A SportFlight.Net=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-kitf ox-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.c om] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson=0ASent: Monday, August 06, 2012 1:42 PM=0ATo : kitfox-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody groun s.net>=0A=0AInteresting that you should mention Roosterville, Kirk....I was going- =0Ato fly in there last year to attend the Nascar race at Kansas, but- =0Athe report was for high winds, so I drove out there instead. Cou pled- =0Awith the high winds being reported, and my research into the lay out- =0Aof the runway...20 feet wide, with a dog-leg....I decided against - =0Amaking the trip by Kitfox. After getting to Kansas and hooking up- =0Awith my racing buddy, we drove to the airport to see what it looked- =0Alike....it really wasn't as scary as it sounded, but the "cliff" at- =0Athe north end might have been interesting if a guy landed long.- : ) =0A=0ABy the way, was that your Kitfox that I saw parked there?=0A=0Ap.s. A nother contributing factor in not flying there was the- =0Aidentifier for Roosterville.......0N0.....which I read as :- - Oh,- =0ANO!- Which I took as a sign from God that I shouldn't fly there!=0AKidding aside, it was a very nice-looking airport, and I'm hoping to- =0Afly there this yea r for the October race.=0A=0ALynn Matteson=0AKitfox IV Speedster, taildragg er=0AJabiru 2200, #2062=0APrince prop 64 x 30, P-tip=0AElectroair direct-fi re ignition system=0ARotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm)=0AStatus: fly ing with 1323 hrs... (since 3-27-2006)=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 6, 2012, at 8:08 AM, kirk hull wrote:=0A=0A> --> Kitfox-List message p osted by: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>=0A>=0A> I cannot think of any ta il wheel aircraft that is easier to land on=0A> pavement.- Grass is the w ay to go.- If you talk to the locals you- =0A> might be=0A> surprised a t how many airports have a grass strip available even if- =0A> it is=0A> not listed on the map.- Many small airports (in the Midwest at- =0A> le ast) will=0A> have a grass runway right next to the paved runway.- A grea t- =0A> example is=0A> Roosterville airport in liberty MO.- It has 20 f t of grass on- =0A> either side of=0A> the paved runway.(see pic).=0A>=0A > http://www.sportflight.net/display_pictures_large.php? =0A> most_viewed =yes&id=IMG=0A> _6605.JPG=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Kirk Hull=0A> Classic 4 =0A> Editor=0A> SportFlight.Net=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From : owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michel=0A> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 4:5 3 AM=0A> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Everyb el@online.no>=0A>=0A> Paul, I have about 550 hours on my model 3 and the on ly time I did- =0A> a ground=0A> loop was when I broke the tailwheel spri ng on a hard landing. I- =0A> also went=0A> twice with the left wing on t he ground in very strong side wind.- =0A> Both were=0A> on asphalt runway s. I think the Kitfox really loves grass. My- =0A> airplane looks=0A> at me and says: "Thanks, mate!" each time I land on grass! ;-)=0A>=0A> Cheers, =0A> Michel=0A> Kitfox 3 Jabiru 2200=0A>=0A> --------=0A> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forum s.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380158#380158=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ====


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    Time: 03:33:56 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Kirk- Before I looked at your site, I recalled your plane as being a dark purple.....looks like my memory was close. : ) Here is a shot of my plane sitting on the ramp as part of the group that took part in the 2010 AirVenture Cup Race, which started in Mitchell, SD. I won the Light Sport Class (no competition...I must have scared them all away) : ) or how about one in snow? This was a week or so after I flew it up to the Skiplane Fly-in at Oshkosh. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with 1323 hrs... (since 3-27-2006) On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:45 PM, kirk hull wrote: > > It was most likely mine as is the only one on the field but a > picture is > worth a thousand words. The link below has some pics of my fox. > As for the > cliff ( known as mount Stuber) it is well to the east of the runway > center > line. The 20 ft wide is kind of misleading as it is 20 ft of > pavement and > another 15 ft of smooth grass on each side. Hopefully you can make > the trip > some time. I would love to see another fox in the rooster pin. If > you do I > will make room in the hanger for you. Just send me an email on the > SportFlight.Net email address. > > PS. If you have any good pics of your fox I would love to have > more kitfox > pics added to sportflight. >


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    Time: 04:39:49 PM PST US
    From: "kirk hull" <kirkhull@kc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Lynn three questions do you mind if I post those to SportFlight.Net if so where were they taken and were you the photographer -----Original Message----- From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Matteson Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Everybody ground loops? Kirk- Before I looked at your site, I recalled your plane as being a dark purple.....looks like my memory was close. : ) Here is a shot of my plane sitting on the ramp as part of the group that took part in the 2010 AirVenture Cup Race, which started in Mitchell, SD. I won the Light Sport Class (no competition...I must have scared them all away) : )


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    Time: 05:43:26 PM PST US
    From: Mike Chaney <poasttown@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    Paul=0AI'm sorry to get on this topic a bit late.- I received my tail whe el endorcement in a J3 and found the Kitfox a bit easier to land.- Nothin g wrong with landing in grass.- When giving rides I generally take off on a hard surface but-almost always land on the grass.- Not only is grass forgiving, it adds-a new experience for most-passengers.=0A-=0AMike Chaney=0A1996 Kitfox IV/Jabiru 2200=0A =0A=0A______________________________ __=0A From: Paul Folbrecht <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@m atronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 3:24 PM=0ASubject: Kitfox-List ul Folbrecht" <paul.folbrecht@veribox.net>=0A=0AThank you for the replies. - The plane I am looking it is a Avid Mk IV built just a few years ago (m eticulously by a gentleman who happens to be one of the original EAA member s, and has just recently quit flying).=0A=0AHowever, it has the standard ge ar (not even the wide gear that's an option).- The Grove gear is probably as great as everyone says but how on earth can it be north of $2K?=0A=0AGo od news for me is there is a local CFI who can do a tailwheel endors in tha t plane.- =0A=0AThe builder did meticulously set the toe-in (to 0) and sa ys it's a piece of cake to land - of course, he probably has 20K tailwheel landings.=0A=0AThis plane also has the extended wings - that's 35' span!- (I can't find any specs but the owner says it still cruises at 90 mph!- That seemed very high to me with that kind of wing area and a 582 but it do es have an in-flight adjustable prop which may explain it.)=0A=0AI remain a bit nervous, esp. because my purpose in buying an airplane is to fly with my wife & small children, and then give lots of rides to others (extended f amily, friends, Young Eagles).- How about if I just stay on grass until I 'm a real pro?- Can we say no chance of looping then unless I decide to t ake phone call on short final?!- Heck, we've got to be able to say that. :)=0A=0ADespite that, I sure have an inkling to try this.- One issue with tri-gear planes (esp. slower ULs like the Challenger) is that there not mu ch - challenge.- I did get bored with that Challenger pretty quickly.=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L =======


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    Time: 05:43:37 PM PST US
    From: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt@jps.net>
    Subject: Re: Everybody ground loops?
    The first picture was taken (by me) at the Mitchell Municipal Airport (KHME), in Mitchell, SD. The snow picture was taken (by me) at a private strip near Hanover, Michigan. You have my permission to post the pictures on SportFlight.Net. Lynn Matteson Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger Jabiru 2200, #2062 Prince prop 64 x 30, P-tip Electroair direct-fire ignition system Rotec TBI-40 injection (sleeved to 36mm) Status: flying with 1323 hrs... (since 3-27-2006) On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:41 PM, kirk hull wrote: > > Lynn > three questions > do you mind if I post those to SportFlight.Net > if so where were they taken and were you the photographer > >




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