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1. 07:00 AM - IVOPROP IFA (Sacha)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: persistent left roll (Joe & Jan Connell)
3. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/02/13 (Lowell Fitt)
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Stan,
I think I=99m heading down that route too...
Does anyone on the list have any experience (good or bad) with the
Ivoprop constant speed electronic governor?
Sacha
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan Specht
Sent: Monday, 04 March, 2013 17:47
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
Yes, it's the three-blade Ultralight model. I frequently fly in
mountainous areas as well. I love my Model IV!!!
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Sacha < <mailto:uuccio@gmail.com> uuccio@gmail.com>
kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:36 am
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
Stan,
That sounds great to me! Is that the 3-blade model? There is a lot of
mountainous terrain where I fly so I'm beginning to think it makes sense
for me to go that route.
Sacha
(Kitfox IV rebuild, 80hp, Sicily.... Almost done!)
On Mar 4, 2013, at 7:13, Stan Specht < <mailto:sourdostan@aol.com>
sourdostan@aol.com> wrote:
Sacha-
I fly a Speedster Model IV with an 80 hp. 912 . For the past 1500
hours+ (1947 hrs. TT) I have used a 70" IVO cabin-adjustable prop. I
wouldn't fly behind anything else, even though it takes a bit of
maintenance once and awhile. I cruise around 52-5300 rpm at 115 mph,
burn under 4 gph and can get 120 mph if I goose it up to about 4 gph. My
climb out, even here in the Mile High City, is real positive. I wouldn't
be able to get this performance without this prop. Also, I fly a lot of
cross country and really like this prop for this purpose.
Stan Specht
Denver, Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: Sacha < <mailto:uuccio@gmail.com> uuccio@gmail.com>
kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2013 2:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
Lowell,
Thanks for the detailed info!
I=99m also leaning towards a 3-blade 68=9D. I know this is
very different from a wooden fixed pitch prop, but I=99m wondering
whether I should spend the extra money and get an in-flight adjustable
pitch since I plan to be doing some cruising around with the plane once
I get comfortable with it. If anyone has any insight/experience there,
I=99d appreciate hearing it.
Sacha
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mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Saturday, 02 March, 2013 16:20
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
Sacha,
Most of my numbers are very preliminary. And after flying the actual
test phases, it was mostly to put the required 40 hours on it and I
throttled back because distance was not as important as time and I
didn't want to burn more gas than was necessary. So numbers are not
finalized.
I was getting about 100 mph at 5000 RPM. During the test phase in
probably 85-90 degree days, climb was very close to 1000 fpm. The 1300
I mentioned was at a temp in the high 50s to low 60s. As I do the
longer cross country flights fuel burn will be more apparent. I chose
the 68" prop because that is what was recommended by the guys I knew
that have been running the Warp prop.
One issue I did have with the Warp Prop is that one blade would change
pitch one degree after running for a short while. I would re-pitch it
and it would change the one degree again. I contacted Warp and this is
there explanation. The aluminum collar is placed in the mold and the
resin and fabric are the inserted and cured under pressure.
Occasionally the resin will shrink away from the aluminum collar. He
explained that is the reason for the holes drilled through the collar at
180=C2=B0. The resin is supposed to run into the holes and act as a
pinning mechanism. Apparently this was not working on my prop and he
suggested I pin with aluminum pins.
I drilled two 3/16" holes through the collar and into the hub about 3/8"
deep. and about an inch from the hub end. I cut two pins of 3/16"
aluminum and glued them in the holes with a structural adhesive. I
have to say here that this is what I did as I forgot to ask him for the
factory recommended procedure. If anyone else is having this problem, I
would suggest calling for the exact recommendations.
Lowell
From: <mailto:uuccio@gmail.com> Sacha
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
That's great info... Lowell/All, what kind of cruise characteristics
(speed, rpm, fuel consumption) do you get out of it?
I am actually looking for a prop for a Kitfox IV - 80hp. Thinking Warp
or Ivoprop or a wooden one by a local maker. I'd also consider a second
hand one if anyone has one they want to sell?
Sacha
On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:45, "Lowell Fitt" < <mailto:lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Toodie and bob,
My Model IV - 80 HP with 68" Warp prop is pitched at 23=C2=B0. My climb
RPM is not as great as Rick's - 5200 but and I am still fairly early in
the flying on this airplane - 45 hours. Things may change, but I often
see 1300 fpm climb and cruise is pretty good.
Lowell
From: <mailto:MDKitfox@aol.com> Richard Weiss
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
Toodie and Bob,
I have my Warp Drive prop set for 17 degrees. It seems the engine/plane
combination is 'comfortable' at the pitch setting. It's very smooth and
I get about 5600--5700 RPM on take off, although takeoff is so quick I
barely have time to look at the tach.
Rick Weiss
Series V (Skystar s/n 1) Speedster:-)
Rotax 912S, Dynon Sky View
Spruce Creek Fly In, FL
<mailto:MDKitfox@aol.com> MDKitfox@aol.com
On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:52 PM, rtmarshall wrote:
Hello Kitfox flyers out in the hinterland, I am sure there is a segment
of the group that use's the 70" warpdrive prop on their 80HP KF. As a
starting point for pitch what seems to be the # ? I am thinking
around 21* pitch, might be too much " what does the group think? Thanks
much for your input and thoughts on the subject. Blue Skies.
Toodie & Bob Marshall
Beckwourth, CA
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| Subject: | Re: persistent left roll |
Another consideration:
Check the flaperon rigging. That was my problem. I found the problem
became more pronounced when I slowly raised the flap handle...
Joe Connell
Kitfox-II
Time: 09:44:23 AM PST US
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: persistent left roll
From: "dholly" <oue191@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/02/13 |
I just got off the phone with Darryl at Warp Drive, and I guess my first
explanation was not very clear -
"I drilled two 3/16" holes through the collar and into the hub about 3/8"
deep. and about an inch from the hub end. I cut two pins of 3/16" aluminum
and glued them in the holes with a structural adhesive. I have to say here
that this is what I did as I forgot to ask him for the factory recommended
procedure. If anyone else is having this problem, I would suggest calling
for the exact recommendations."
To clarify when I mentioned "hub" what I meant to say is the root end of the
blade. I made no alterations to the Aluminum hub halves. Also when I
re-read my original explanation, I don't know how it came to read two holes
and two pins as I only used one. Warp suggests that a 1/8" pin would be
sufficient.
Thanks for the observation.
Lowell
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Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/02/13
>
> I m flying with warp r=drive props for 32 yrs and never heard for drilling
> props and hubs.
> Just got off phone with Darryl, 800 833 9357, he wants to hear from you!!!
> and any body else with a problem.
> One of the BEST companies to deal with!!!
> john" snaps "knapp
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>> 1. 07:45 AM - Re: Warpdrive ! Scotty! (rtmarshall)
>> 2. 08:20 AM - Re: Warpdrive ! Scotty! (Lowell Fitt)
>> 3. 07:41 PM - Warp drive // Scotty!! (rtmarshall)
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>> _____________________________________
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>> Time: 07:45:34 AM PST US
>> From: "rtmarshall" <rtav8or2@psln.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>> Sacha, I will probably sell the GSC for a very fair price, contact me
>> off list, I am going to be gone for a few days and will be out of touch.
>> Bob
>> rtav8or2@psln.com
>> Toodie & Bob Marshall
>> Beckwourth, CA
>> KF/4/1200 flying
>> From: Sacha
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:41 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>>
>> That's great info... Lowell/All, what kind of cruise characteristics
>> (speed, rpm, fuel consumption) do you get out of it?
>>
>>
>> I am actually looking for a prop for a Kitfox IV - 80hp. Thinking Warp
>> or Ivoprop or a wooden one by a local maker. I'd also consider a second
>> hand one if anyone has one they want to sell?
>>
>>
>> Sacha
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:45, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Toodie and bob,
>> My Model IV - 80 HP with 68" Warp prop is pitched at 23=C2=B0. My
>> climb RPM is not as great as Rick's - 5200 but and I am still fairly
>> early in the flying on this airplane - 45 hours. Things may change, but
>> I often see 1300 fpm climb and cruise is pretty good.
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Weiss
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:48 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>>
>> Toodie and Bob,
>>
>>
>> I have my Warp Drive prop set for 17 degrees. It seems the
>> engine/plane combination is 'comfortable' at the pitch setting. It's
>> very smooth and I get about 5600--5700 RPM on take off, although takeoff
>> is so quick I barely have time to look at the tach.
>>
>>
>> Rick Weiss
>> Series V (Skystar s/n 1) Speedster:-)
>> Rotax 912S, Dynon Sky View
>> Spruce Creek Fly In, FL
>> MDKitfox@aol.com
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:52 PM, rtmarshall wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Kitfox flyers out in the hinterland, I am sure there is a
>> segment of the group that use's the 70" warpdrive prop on their 80HP KF.
>> As a starting point for pitch what seems to be the # ? I am
>> thinking around 21* pitch, might be too much " what does the group
>> think? Thanks much for your input and thoughts on the subject. Blue
>> Skies.
>>
>> Toodie & Bob Marshall
>> Beckwourth, CA
>> KF/4/1200 flying
>>
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>> Time: 08:20:16 AM PST US
>> From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>> Sacha,
>> Most of my numbers are very preliminary. And after flying the actual
>> test phases, it was mostly to put the required 40 hours on it and I
>> throttled back because distance was not as important as time and I
>> didn't want to burn more gas than was necessary. So numbers are not
>> finalized.
>>
>> I was getting about 100 mph at 5000 RPM. During the test phase in
>> probably 85-90 degree days, climb was very close to 1000 fpm. The 1300
>> I mentioned was at a temp in the high 50s to low 60s. As I do the
>> longer cross country flights fuel burn will be more apparent. I chose
>> the 68" prop because that is what was recommended by the guys I knew
>> that have been running the Warp prop.
>>
>> One issue I did have with the Warp Prop is that one blade would change
>> pitch one degree after running for a short while. I would re-pitch it
>> and it would change the one degree again. I contacted Warp and this is
>> there explanation. The aluminum collar is placed in the mold and the
>> resin and fabric are the inserted and cured under pressure.
>> Occasionally the resin will shrink away from the aluminum collar. He
>> explained that is the reason for the holes drilled through the collar at
>> 180=C2=B0. The resin is supposed to run into the holes and act as a
>> pinning mechanism. Apparently this was not working on my prop and he
>> suggested I pin with aluminum pins.
>>
>> I drilled two 3/16" holes through the collar and into the hub about 3/8"
>> deep. and about an inch from the hub end. I cut two pins of 3/16"
>> aluminum and glued them in the holes with a structural adhesive. I
>> have to say here that this is what I did as I forgot to ask him for the
>> factory recommended procedure. If anyone else is having this problem, I
>> would suggest calling for the exact recommendations.
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>> From: Sacha
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>>
>> That's great info... Lowell/All, what kind of cruise characteristics
>> (speed, rpm, fuel consumption) do you get out of it?
>>
>>
>> I am actually looking for a prop for a Kitfox IV - 80hp. Thinking Warp
>> or Ivoprop or a wooden one by a local maker. I'd also consider a second
>> hand one if anyone has one they want to sell?
>>
>>
>> Sacha
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:45, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Toodie and bob,
>> My Model IV - 80 HP with 68" Warp prop is pitched at 23=C2=B0. My
>> climb RPM is not as great as Rick's - 5200 but and I am still fairly
>> early in the flying on this airplane - 45 hours. Things may change, but
>> I often see 1300 fpm climb and cruise is pretty good.
>> Lowell
>>
>>
>> From: Richard Weiss
>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:48 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Warpdrive ! Scotty!
>>
>>
>> Toodie and Bob,
>>
>>
>> I have my Warp Drive prop set for 17 degrees. It seems the
>> engine/plane combination is 'comfortable' at the pitch setting. It's
>> very smooth and I get about 5600--5700 RPM on take off, although takeoff
>> is so quick I barely have time to look at the tach.
>>
>>
>> Rick Weiss
>> Series V (Skystar s/n 1) Speedster:-)
>> Rotax 912S, Dynon Sky View
>> Spruce Creek Fly In, FL
>> MDKitfox@aol.com
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:52 PM, rtmarshall wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Kitfox flyers out in the hinterland, I am sure there is a
>> segment of the group that use's the 70" warpdrive prop on their 80HP KF.
>> As a starting point for pitch what seems to be the # ? I am
>> thinking around 21* pitch, might be too much " what does the group
>> think? Thanks much for your input and thoughts on the subject. Blue
>> Skies.
>>
>> Toodie & Bob Marshall
>> Beckwourth, CA
>> KF/4/1200 flying
>>
>>
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>> Time: 07:41:51 PM PST US
>> From: "rtmarshall" <rtav8or2@psln.com>
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Warp drive // Scotty!!
>>
>> Hi all, Roger, Richard, Lowell and others who responded to my
>> request for info on the initial pitch setting on the warp drive prop, I
>> flew the ship with the other wood prop and obtained some preliminary
>> numbers, but as all things go I was unable to fly today with the warp
>> drive due to very gusty Xwinds and very unstable air mass over us, up
>> here in the sierras, maybe in the early hrs tomorrow before the front
>> gets here, I am trying to get as close as possible to the same
>> conditions for a fair comparison between the two props. Thanks again.
>>
>> Toodie & Bob Marshall
>> Beckwourth, CA
>> KF/4/1200 flying
>>
>>
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