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1. 02:49 AM - Re: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV (Dave)
2. 03:17 AM - Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV (Michel)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV (Tom Jones)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV (Lowell Fitt)
5. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Cheng shin tires (Marco Menezes)
6. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV (Dave)
7. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Cheng shin tires (Dave)
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| Subject: | Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV |
Tom,
Good info - I never touched on the rigging.
Here is some more info that you might find helpful.
http://www.cfisher.com/flapperons/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 10:54 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV
>
> Sacha, do you have the "Assembly manual for your Kitfox? You need it to
> check the rigging on your control system. The flaperons will neutralize
> themselves in flight. If pulling on flaps causes the plane to roll there
> is a problem in the rigging.
>
> Due to the design of the differential flaperon control syatem there are
> different angles built into the flaperon horns in relation to the
> flaperons. left is 5 degrees and right is 19.4 degrees.
>
> As said in others posts..pulling on full flaps limits roll control. I
> suspect your problem is the someone rigged your flaperons with the same
> angles and causes the limit in roll control to be all on one side.
>
> The model 4 did not have "Notches" for the flaps if yours does that is
> someones own design.
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402448#402448
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV |
Hello everyone! ... (long time, no writing! ;-)
If it may interest anyone: I have a Kitfox 3 built in 1992 by someone who built
it as his 3rd Kitfox. He had limited the flaps to 10 degrees and that's how I
fly today.
I never use the flaps if it isn't as a pitch trim on long distance smooth air flights.
I control my altitude vs. speed on final by side-slipping.
The only time I have used the 10 degrees flaps on take-off is when on a short and
wet grass field. I get airborne a bit sooner and fly a couple of feet over
the ground until gaining enough speed to start initial climb.
Cheers,
Michel
Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 - Norway
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402468#402468
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| Subject: | Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV |
Dave, thanks for posting the link to DR Fox's flaperon differential article. I
had all the old " Kitfox Times" magazines in a box but lost it in my last move.
Anyone wanting to really understand the Model IV flaperon differential design go to Dave's link http://www.cfisher.com/flapperons/ and print out
these three pages:
flaperon.jpeg
flaperon_001.jpg
flaperon_002.jpg
When I read this article when it first came out was the first time I understood
the design and what makes it work.
Michael, good to hear you again. You know you were the inspiration that got me
motivated to learn to fly my tailwheel kitfox.
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Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402478#402478
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| Subject: | Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV |
I can echo Michel's comments. I have never landed with flaps. Side slips
makes finding the threshold easy enough. I have them blocked at 20 and
plan on doing some experimenting with them on my new Model IV - maybe.
Lowell
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From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV
>
> Hello everyone! ... (long time, no writing! ;-)
>
> If it may interest anyone: I have a Kitfox 3 built in 1992 by someone who
> built it as his 3rd Kitfox. He had limited the flaps to 10 degrees and
> that's how I fly today.
>
> I never use the flaps if it isn't as a pitch trim on long distance smooth
> air flights. I control my altitude vs. speed on final by side-slipping.
>
> The only time I have used the 10 degrees flaps on take-off is when on a
> short and wet grass field. I get airborne a bit sooner and fly a couple of
> feet over the ground until gaining enough speed to start initial climb.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 - Norway
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402468#402468
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng shin tires |
Thanks Jason. I'll look them up. I did finally mount King Fox 21x12-8 tires
that I'm still getting used to. They're quite bouncy on landing I've found
unless you really "grease" the touchdown.=0A-=0AMarco Menezes N99KX=0AMo
del II 582-90 C-box 3:1 w/ clutch=0AHersey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
__________________=0AFrom: Jason Omelchuck <jason@trek-tech.com>=0ATo: kitf
ox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:57 AM=0ASubject: Kit
Jason Omelchuck" <jason@trek-tech.com>=0A=0AI got some from Dressler tires
a year or so ago.=0A=0A=0A=0Amsm_9949(at)yahoo.com wrote:=0A> Does anyone h
ave a line on shaved 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shins or an equivalent that will fit m
y rims? Original equipment has finally worn out. =0A> =0A> Marco Menezes N9
9KX=0A> Model II 582-90 C-box 3:1 w/ clutch=0A> Hersey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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| Subject: | Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV |
Michael - Agree on the flap infor for your model 3
Lowell.- not using flaps ? you are limiting your usefulness of this
plane.
limit 20 degrees - sure for the vast majortiy maybe
BUT
The ones who actually can and want to explore the envelope of their kitfox
further the flaps to their maximun extent will give superior
performance benefits to the ones who chose this route.
Knowing the entire envelope of your plane is a real attribute to all
pilots/owners.
You will
know better how to take off better
know how ot land slower and shorter when needed.
know how to deadstick land on a runway or in a field
know your limits better and better
know to not become complacent
Make a bad situation better
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV
I can echo Michel's comments. I have never landed with flaps. Side slips
makes finding the threshold easy enough. I have them blocked at 20 and
plan on doing some experimenting with them on my new Model IV - maybe.
Lowell
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From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: flap angles, Kitfox IV
>
> Hello everyone! ... (long time, no writing! ;-)
>
> If it may interest anyone: I have a Kitfox 3 built in 1992 by someone who
> built it as his 3rd Kitfox. He had limited the flaps to 10 degrees and
> that's how I fly today.
>
> I never use the flaps if it isn't as a pitch trim on long distance smooth
> air flights. I control my altitude vs. speed on final by side-slipping.
>
> The only time I have used the 10 degrees flaps on take-off is when on a
> short and wet grass field. I get airborne a bit sooner and fly a couple of
> feet over the ground until gaining enough speed to start initial climb.
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200 - Norway
>
> --------
> Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402468#402468
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cheng shin tires |
King fox tires are wonderful
the 21" x 12 x 8s are great as well.........
If you bouncing you might be landing too hard ?
Tires pressure?
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Menezes
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng shin tires
Thanks Jason. I'll look them up. I did finally mount King Fox 21x12-8
tires that I'm still getting used to. They're quite bouncy on landing
I've found unless you really "grease" the touchdown.
Marco Menezes N99KX
Model II 582-90 C-box 3:1 w/ clutch
Hersey, MI
From: Jason Omelchuck <jason@trek-tech.com>
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Cheng shin tires
<jason@trek-tech.com>
I got some from Dressler tires a year or so ago.
msm_9949(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Does anyone have a line on shaved 20x7.00-8 Cheng Shins or an
equivalent that will fit my rims? Original equipment has finally worn
out.
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Model II 582-90 C-box 3:1 w/ clutch
> Hersey, MI
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