---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/03/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps (Sacha) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky) 3. 07:57 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps (Steven Didier) 4. 08:58 AM - Re: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps (Sacha) 5. 05:41 PM - Re: 912 regulator fuse size (James Shumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:04 AM PST US From: "Sacha" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps Hi Steve, Are these speeds mph? sacha From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26 Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps Lloyd , I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.;-) Steve Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote: Steve, Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position? Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point. hope this helps Steve D Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote: Hello fellow Kitfoxers! Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting. Lloyd C KF 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / 07/02/13 ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:41 AM PST US From: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps Steve, Are these numbers with one notch of flap or two? Or do you use the same numbers for either? Your numbers look very similar to mine with one notch, I am working on getting my final down to 55. You mention about the stick pressure, I think the mod you are referring to might be the adjustable spring tension mod for the stick that I have heard of, I also have a lot of stick pressure on final. Is your 5 equipped with the jackscrew for adjusting the angle of the horizontal stabilizer? Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 1:26 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps Lloyd , I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with touchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is supposed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three point it.;-) Steve Sent from my iPad On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote: Steve, Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to start working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run out of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position? Lloyd From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the stock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point. hope this helps Steve D Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.net> wrote: Hello fellow Kitfoxers! Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting. Lloyd C KF 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3345 / 07/02/13 ========= tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07/02/13 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps From: Steven Didier yes mph Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Sacha" wrote: > Hi Steve, > Are these speeds mph? > sacha > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier > Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26 > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps > > Lloyd , > I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with tou chdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full flaps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm > Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is suppo sed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to my 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to three p oint it.;-) > Steve > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi. net> wrote: > > Steve, > Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? To date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to star t working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run ou t of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position? > > Lloyd > > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps > > I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the sto ck elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces a re fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down f irst or in a three point. > hope this helps > Steve D > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi .net> wrote: > > Hello fellow Kitfoxers! > Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience landin g a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting. > Lloyd C KF 5 Outback > 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3345 / 07/02/13 > > > ========================= ========= > tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > ========================= ========= > cs.com > ========================= ========= > matronics.com/contribution > ========================= ========= > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps From: Sacha Thanks - i have a IV and my speeds up to now have been about 10mph lower, ma ybe because my stall speed is also lower (currently 30mph indicated). I have just bought the same vg's as you and I'm keen to find out what effect they h ave on stall characteristics. > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 16:49, Steven Didier wrote: > >> yes mph >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:02 AM, "Sacha" wrote: >> >>> Hi Steve, >>> Are these speeds mph? >>> sacha >>> >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Didier >>> Sent: Wednesday, 03 July, 2013 08:26 >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps >>> >>> Lloyd , >>> I'm using 65-70 downwind, 62 base, 60 final and 52 over the fence with t ouchdown at about 43. I do have vg's (STOL Speed) and my plane with full fla ps refuses to stall it mushes at 38 indicated with 500fpm >>> Check the KitFox catalog you'll find there is a retrofit mod that is sup posed to reduce the stick forces when using full laps. I've gotten used to m y 5 and just have to remember to pull the stick all the way to my gut to thr ee point it.;-) >>> Steve >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:11 PM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Charterm i.net> wrote: >>> >>> Steve, >>> Thanks for the reply, not sure I am familiar with the interconnect mod? T o date I have only landed with the first notch of flap and would like to sta rt working with the second or full, my hesitation is that I feel I may run o ut of elevator. What are you using for an approach speed for each position? >>> >>> Lloyd >>> >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Didier >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:56 PM >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox 5 Landing with Flaps >>> >>> I have a 5 and vary between full and one notch. My experience with the s tock elevator and not having the interconnect mod, is that the stick forces are fairly high and I have to use a lot of effort to get the tailwheel down first or in a three point. >>> hope this helps >>> Steve D >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Charter mi.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hello fellow Kitfoxers! >>> Looking to see if there is anyone out there that has any experience land ing a Model 5 with the flaperons in the second (full) flap notch setting. >>> Lloyd C KF 5 Outback >>> 912ul IVO IFA Northern Mi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.3345 / 07/02/13 >>> >>> >>> ======================== >>> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >>> ======================== >>> cs.com >>> ======================== >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ======================== >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================== >>> tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >>> ======================== >>> cs.com >>> ======================== >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ======================== >>> >> >> ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:50 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 regulator fuse size Good point Clint.- That is exactly right,-the fuse is to prevent the wi re from overheating from the fuse to the load.- The Regulator and alterna tor are also in the loop and the fuse protects them indirectly.- The if t he fuse is sized too small then generating capacity is also limited.- So I'm just pointing out the fuse is plenty large to get all the capacity out of the power source.- =0A-=0AJim=0A =0A=0A_____________________________ ___=0A From: Clint Bazzill =0ATo: "kitfox-list@m atronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3: 20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 regulator fuse size=0A =0A=0A=0AThe fuse is to protect the wire, not the generator.=0A=0AClint=0A=0ASent from m y iPad=0A=0AOn Jul 1, 2013, at 6:34 PM, "James Shumaker" wrote:=0A=0A=0AThe generator built into the 912 is only rated 18 amps.- 30 amps is plenty of cushion.- It is oversized to allow transien t loads that would cause nuisance tripping.- =0A>-=0A>Jim Shumaker=0A> =0A> =0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Marwynne Kuhn =0A>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, Jul y 1, 2013 4:57 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 912 regulator fuse size=0A> tream.net>=0A>=0A>The fuse is a protective device for your plane.- I don 't know how much electrical demand that you have for your plane.- It woul d be better to have the 30 amp fuse vs over sizing the protective device wi tha 40 amp.- You could put a amp meter in series with the fuse temporarl y and turn everything on.- It will give you a insight as to what kind of electrical load you have.- The biggest consumere of power on your plane would be landing lights (just a guess) .- =0A>=0A>My best guess (without seeing all the loads) is it will work .=0A>=0A>Marwynne=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>---- - Original Message ----- =0A>From: "Cwehner" <1cewehner@cox.net>=0A>To: =0A>Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 10:20 PM=0A>Subject : Kitfox-List: 912 regulator fuse size=0A>=0A>=0A>> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Cwehner" <1cewehner@cox.net>=0A>> =0A>> What size fuse can be used to power the 912UL engine regulator B+ terminal. The Skystar schematic that I have shows a 35 amp fuse, but I haven't been able to find a fuse th at size.- =0A>> =0A>> Any suggestions? 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