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4. 11:05 AM - Re: Landing on one wheel (Jos=C3=A9_M._Toro)
5. 02:20 PM - Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at the top of the wing tank (Patrick Reilly)
6. 02:49 PM - Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting at the top of the wing tank (Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on one wheel |
Thank you Dave, Mike and Jose, for your answers. Dave, I have seen your videos
many times before! ;-) But you land on grass and you are a lucky guy! My Kitfox
hates asphalt. ;-)
Dave and Jose, you seem to think that the original Kitfox gear is strong enough
to take that side pull of the side slip landing on one wheel. That is reassuring.
Mike, you are unfortunate to have so much crosswind in Cornwall. But I also suppose
you land on grass. Fifteen knots crosswind on asphalt and I weather-vane
like nothing! For me, 12 knots is my maximum crosswind landing on asphalt. If
there is more than that, I land on the crossing taxiway, something my airfield's
supervisor said I could as long as the other traffics are well informed of
my intentions! ;-)
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on one wheel |
Landing is something that brings great satisfaction as the skill is develop
ed.=C2- The procedure of landing on a single wheel is different from "lan
ding in a crab configuration".=C2- Land straight ahead with a slight wing
low and slight rudder correction.=C2- A two wheel, one main and tail, is
common with any crosswind component; keeping the direction of travel strai
ght ahead. I believe it is called in our training=C2-a forward slip.
I hope this helps.
John Kerr=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:15:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on one wheel
Hello guys,
My son, who has not been flying our Kitfox 3 for two years, need an instruc
tor check-up to keep his license. I asked the instructor what my son needed
to train for before the check-up.
He answered: "Climbing 500 ft in 360 degrees turn, then the opposite, then
landing on 3 points, 2 points and one wheel."
"One wheel?" Yes, it is necessary if landing in crosswind, doing a side sli
p.
Okay, I do a lot of side slips, to get the right speed on final since I nev
er use my flaperons. But, touching the ground side slipping and on one whee
l is ... awkward when the wind is not from the side!
But he insists that we do that, as a training. Okay, I tried a couple of ti
mes but when landing with a head wind, side slipping on one wheel, there is
a lateral pull on the wheel and I don't like it!
I don't like it because I still have the old fashion gear made of steel pip
es and I am afraid I might bend something. Of course, I could try to do it
when there is a real side wind so that I actually compensate the wind drift
with the side displacement, which is the intention. But where I live, the
prevailing winds are very much in the direction of the runway and I just ca
n't match the very seldom crosswind with my son's training.
My question then is: Has any of you had problems with the original gear, la
nding on one wheel? I know of a Kitfox that has hit a taxiway asphalt edge
with his right hand wheel and the tube under the seat, the one the bungee i
s turned around, was bended. I don't want to get the same! Will I run a ris
k of it?
Cheers,
Michel
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on one wheel |
Landing is something that brings great satisfaction as the skill is develop
ed.=C2- The procedure is different from "landing in a crab configuration"
.=C2- Land straight ahead with a slight wing low and slight rudder correc
tion.=C2- A two wheel, one main and tail, is common with any crosswind co
mponent; keeping the direction of travel straight ahead.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:15:13 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on one wheel
Hello guys,
My son, who has not been flying our Kitfox 3 for two years, need an instruc
tor check-up to keep his license. I asked the instructor what my son needed
to train for before the check-up.
He answered: "Climbing 500 ft in 360 degrees turn, then the opposite, then
landing on 3 points, 2 points and one wheel."
"One wheel?" Yes, it is necessary if landing in crosswind, doing a side sli
p.
Okay, I do a lot of side slips, to get the right speed on final since I nev
er use my flaperons. But, touching the ground side slipping and on one whee
l is ... awkward when the wind is not from the side!
But he insists that we do that, as a training. Okay, I tried a couple of ti
mes but when landing with a head wind, side slipping on one wheel, there is
a lateral pull on the wheel and I don't like it!
I don't like it because I still have the old fashion gear made of steel pip
es and I am afraid I might bend something. Of course, I could try to do it
when there is a real side wind so that I actually compensate the wind drift
with the side displacement, which is the intention. But where I live, the
prevailing winds are very much in the direction of the runway and I just ca
n't match the very seldom crosswind with my son's training.
My question then is: Has any of you had problems with the original gear, la
nding on one wheel? I know of a Kitfox that has hit a taxiway asphalt edge
with his right hand wheel and the tube under the seat, the one the bungee i
s turned around, was bended. I don't want to get the same! Will I run a ris
k of it?
Cheers,
Michel
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Kitfox 3 - Jabiru 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Landing on one wheel |
Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man, landing is the first...
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> On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:55 AM, kerrjohna@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Landing is something that brings great satisfaction as the skill is develo
ped. The procedure is different from "landing in a crab configuration". La
nd straight ahead with a slight wing low and slight rudder correction. A tw
o wheel, one main and tail, is common with any crosswind component; keeping t
he direction of travel straight ahead.
>
> From: "Michel" <michel@online.no>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:15:13 AM
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Landing on one wheel
>
>
> Hello guys,
> My son, who has not been flying our Kitfox 3 for two years, need an instru
ctor check-up to keep his license. I asked the instructor what my son needed
to train for before the check-up.
>
> He answered: "Climbing 500 ft in 360 degrees turn, then the opposite, then
landing on 3 points, 2 points and one wheel."
>
> "One wheel?" Yes, it is necessary if landing in crosswind, doing a side sl
ip.
>
> Okay, I do a lot of side slips, to get the right speed on final since I ne
ver use my flaperons. But, touching the ground side slipping and on one whee
l is ... awkward when the wind is not from the side!
>
> But he insists that we do that, as a training. Okay, I tried a couple of t
imes but when landing with a head wind, side slipping on one wheel, there is
a lateral pull on the wheel and I don't like it!
>
> I don't like it because I still have the old fashion gear made of steel pi
pes and I am afraid I might bend something. Of course, I could try to do it w
hen there is a real side wind so that I actually compensate the wind drift w
ith the side displacement, which is the intention. But where I live, the pre
vailing winds are very much in the direction of the runway and I just can't m
atch the very seldom crosswind with my son's training.
>
> My question then is: Has any of you had problems with the original gear, l
anding on one wheel? I know of a Kitfox that has hit a taxiway asphalt edge w
ith his right hand wheel and the tube under the seat, the one the bungee is t
urned around, was bended. I don't want to get the same! Will I run a risk of
it?
>
> Cheers,
> Michel
>
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| Subject: | Re: header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting |
at the top of the wing tank
Sacha, With that name, I thought you might not be in the USA. That product
is a sealant. It never really gets hard but is firm enough to hold a
flanged fitting to the tank without reinforcing the tank, especially for a
vent application on the top of the tank. I tried everything to get my
fittings to seal to my plastic header tank. That product is the only one
that worked. I'd recommend and swear by that product. But, it costs!.
P.S. It's always nice to see a signature on this sight with location and
Kitfox model, engine etc. .
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pat, ****
>
> Thanks a lot for that. Unfortunately I=92m in Italy so it=92s probably n
ot
> practical to mail it, but it=92s a Dow product, so I=92m sure I can find
some
> around here somewhere. ****
>
> Are you recommending it as an adhesive to thicken the tank wall or as a
> sealant, or both?****
>
> Sacha****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Reilly
> *Sent:* Friday, 04 October, 2013 05:31
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: header tank does not stay full - installing a
> fitting at the top of the wing tank****
>
> ** **
>
> Sacha, Where are you located? Dow Corning 730 will work. I have some that
> I have had in the refrigerator for awhile. Still seems pliable. I sent so
me
> to someone else with similar problem. I used it to seal fitting to my
> header tank also. It was $99 for 3 fl oz from ACS. I can send you enough
to
> accomplish your project. If it works you can sent me a few bucks. If it
> doesn't you'll have to buy a whole tube.****
>
> ****
>
> Pat Reilly****
>
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt****
>
> Rockford, IL ****
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com> wrote:****
>
> Lloyd****
>
> That's a good idea. Trouble is the filer cap is about 8 inches from the
> side of the tank. I'm not confident I can get a spanner down there to scr
ew
> the locking nut in place. If I give it a try then I might get stuck with
a
> hole in my tank. So I really need to find out if there's a way to glue th
is
> stuff. The only way I'm aware of is using heat, which is not ideal due to
> the presence of gasoline. But maybe there are done adhesives or resins
> which might work? I have no idea. ****
>
> Sacha****
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:53, "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds@Chartermi.ne
t>
> wrote:****
>
> Sacha,****
>
> Is there any way you might be able to use a bulkhead fitting with seals o
n
> both sides? You could run a wire through the hole you drill out the fille
r
> hole on top so you could slide the seal and washer down the wire in order
> to line it up with and get it started on the bulkhead fitting. ****
>
> Just some food for thought.****
>
> ****
>
> lloyd ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com [
> mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com<owner-kitfox-list-server@ma
tronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Sacha
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:12 PM
> *To:* Kitfox List
> *Subject:* RE: Kitfox-List: header tank does not stay full - installing a
> fitting at the top of the wing tank****
>
> ****
>
> Today I went to take a look at my tanks but I realized that (unlike Guys
=92)
> mine are made of plastic, not fiberglass. They are quite thin (the fuel
> level can be seen through the tank so a couple of mm max) so that I would
> need to glue something on the outside in order to drill a hole and cut
> threads in it. But gluing on plastic is bound to be problematic; I=92m n
ot
> sure what plastic it is, it is slightly =93greasy=94 to the touch, maybe
> poly-propylene/ethylene. ****
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this? Can anyone recommend a produc
t
> that they have used?****
>
> ****
>
> I was thinking, as an alternative to drilling a hole in the tank for a
> return breather line, if I could find some kind of valve that lets air ou
t
> but not fuel (e.g. like they have on breather lines for boats), I could
> just fit one of those to the header tank and be done with it. ****
>
> ****
>
> Sacha****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Guy Buchanan [mailto:gebuchanan@cox.net <gebuchanan@cox.net>]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 28 September, 2013 05:35
> *To:* Sacha
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: header tank does not stay full - installing a
> fitting at the top of the wing tank****
>
> ****
>
> Brass fittings, pipe threads, no backing. You can do 1/4 to 1/8 pipe
> adapter and screw the 1/8 pipe fitting into that but you must be *very *c
areful
> cutting the 1/4 threads. It's easy to pop your G-10 plate off. Otherwise
> just cut 1/8 pipe threads in the G-10 and screw your fitting right into i
t.
> (It depends on whether you think you'll ever have to remove the fitting f
or
> maintenance. If not, go right into the tank. If you have to do regular
> maintenance, use the adapter.) I glued the plates with the 3500 psi acryl
ic
> adhesive you find at the hardware store. If you still have any Hysol layi
ng
> around that would be better. (Used on the wing ribs.) The pipe fittings I
> sealed with the 2-part polysulfide sealant available from Aircraft Spruce
.
> Expensive as hell but it's the only stuff I ever got to work with 100LL.
>
> Guy
>
> On 9/27/2013 7:33 PM, Sacha wrote: ****
>
> Guy****
>
> Thanks for the pics. I have a question about the fittings. I assume they
are made of bronze and you've screwed them into the tank. Is there a locki
ng nut on the inside of the tank (if so, how did you access it?) and what d
id you use as glue/bond for the fitting.****
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| Subject: | header tank does not stay full - installing a fitting |
at the top of the wing tank
Guy, I like your idea of setting the nut outside and that is a great way
to
fish it through. Sacha, with a big enough hook on the end it will not
slip
off and get lost in the tank. Once you have it in and the nut started if
you
wanted to tighten further you could either tape up a =BC=94 drive
ratchet,
extensions and socket so they would not fall apart or if you have access
to
a welder, use an old socket and make a custom tool to reach. Either way
I
think it would work and as Guy stated the sealant will seal it. One
other
thought, if you do it this way you might want to make the washer on the
inside slightly larger than the one on the outside so if the fitting
works
the side of the tank at all it is not the same spot, also insure the
edges
of the washers are softened, no sharp edges.
Lloyd
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy
Buchanan
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: header tank does not stay full - installing a
fitting at the top of the wing tank
Bummer dude. You're quite right, there's no way to glue to polyethylene.
(See this <http://www.eplastics.com/Polyethylene-Adhesives-Glue> . The
Dow
370 is a sealant, not an adhesive.) The only way to add a boss is to
weld
it. If you could get access, you might be able to put together a fixture
in
your hand drill that might enable you to friction weld it, but if you
messed
up you'd have one huge hole in your tank. I do think you could install a
small bulkhead fitting through the filler neck, as follows:
* Cut the inside barb off this fitting
<http://www.zorotools.com/g/00057435/k-G1187286?utm_source=google_shopp
ing&u
tm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&kw=%7Bkeyword%7D&gc
lid=CJ-wh
42x_LkCFQto7AodzVcA2A> . (You want the nut on the outside.) Clean it up.
(You might try to find a right angle barb that would make the job of
holding
it in place while you tighten the nut easier.)
* Cut the hole in the tank so the nuts are at least 1/4" from the tank
radius. (If possible.)
* Try to rough up the tank surfaces 1/2" around the hole.
* Make two 1/16" G-10 washers to fit the barb threads and extend to
the tank radius. (Might make them larger and flatten one side where the
radius is. Might make them thicker if there are enough threads on the
barb.)
* Run a stiff wire from the hole in the tank to the filler. Slide on
the barb and one washer, both heavily loaded with 2-part polysulfide
sealant
and bend the wire end into a hook.
* Pull the barb out through the hole in the tank.
* Load up the outside with sealant.
* Add the other washer and nut and tighten the nut as much as you can
holding the barb with something that won't damage it. You don't need it
really, really tight, since the sealant will take up the slack.
That's one idea.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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