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1. 03:00 AM - Re: Discussion (Dave)
2. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 (mznotime@aol.com)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Discussion (Lloyd Eggstaff)
4. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 (mznotime@aol.com)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 (Pete Christensen)
6. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 (Lloyd Eggstaff)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Marco Menezes)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Margaret Hastedt)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Discussion (Lowell Fitt)
10. 09:22 AM - Kitfox Site(s) (SWeidemann@aol.com)
11. 10:07 AM - posting news (Ed Gray)
12. 10:28 AM - Re: posting news (Dan Hatch)
13. 10:44 AM - Re: Discussion (Tom Jones)
14. 10:44 AM - Re: posting news (Lowell Fitt)
15. 11:08 AM - Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
16. 11:51 AM - trim elevator Kitfox Serie 6 (icaza francisco)
17. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Discussion (Michael Gibbs)
18. 01:14 PM - Re: Discussion (Michael Gibbs)
19. 01:16 PM - Re: trim elevator Kitfox Serie 6 (Sacha)
20. 01:16 PM - Re: Discussion (Michael Gibbs)
21. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 (Michael Gibbs)
22. 01:43 PM - Heavy right wing (Sacha)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Discussion (Tom Jones)
24. 01:56 PM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Patrick Reilly)
25. 02:07 PM - Posts (Patrick Reilly)
26. 02:18 PM - Re: 95DD (Patrick Reilly)
27. 02:22 PM - old time members (Patrick Reilly)
28. 02:33 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (Allan Aaron)
29. 05:37 PM - Re: Heavy right wing (Guy Buchanan)
30. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Discussion (Lowell Fitt)
31. 06:12 PM - Re: 95DD (Lowell Fitt)
32. 06:17 PM - Re: Discussion (Lowell Fitt)
33. 06:27 PM - Re: Discussion (Lowell Fitt)
34. 06:48 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
35. 06:48 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
36. 07:06 PM - Re: Heavy right wing (Michael Gibbs)
37. 10:45 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (Sacha)
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Lowell, at What point can we just text message the tower?
and get the clearance back in Text? Like Siri on Iphone ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Discussion
With all the great posts over the past three or four days, I developed
the courage to bring up something that is troubling me flying wise.
I have lost significant hearing - to the point that air to air or air
to ground communication is impossible without some significant help. I
use hearing aids and have hard wired the audio from the radio to the
receiver/controller I wear around my neck. I talks to the hearing aids
through Blue Tooth. It helps a lot when it works. I thought I lost my
radio on the trip to Desert Fox Squadron last March and seriously wonder
now if it was the radio or the hard wiring to the thing around my neck.
Does anyone else have this problem and if so what have you done to
mitigate it?
Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 |
I also agree, it's nice to talk to a real person rather than an aircraft pa
rt.
Lenny A. Muzzi III
Kitfox II
582
-----Original Message-----
From: James Shumaker <jimshumaker@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 7, 2013 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13
I agree, knowing who is writing is very important. I believe that is the r
eason that Facebook is so popular.
Jim Shumaker
Kitfox III
1200 hours
Rotax 912
From: Stan Specht <sourdostan@aol.com>
To: "kitfox-list@matronics.com" <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13
I also appreciate this list--nice to see who is posting AND much easier to
use! I'm stickin' with it!
Stan Specht
Lakewood, CO
Model IV Speedster
2025 hrs on Rotax 912ul in 12 yrs
Lovin' it!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net> wrote:
Is agree 100% Lowell, no need to apologize.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:15 PM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
No opinion on the shooting from the air, except to say that I would think t
he coyote might have the decided advantage unless you have some sort of min
igun.
I do have an opinion on the list, though. I much prefer the list format and
am still monitoring any traffic. In the old days, I read every post whethe
r it was a Model I with 582 or a SS with 0-235. I learned a lot and learned
to respect a lot of the guys with real names and real locations. After wri
ting that, I realized I still do the same - I still read every post. With t
he "Topic" format, I find I don't read everything, especially the long disc
ussions that don't interest much and I'm sure I miss a lot. I will often ch
eck the Personal Profiles on the TK Forum and am amazed how many guys want
help or to help but are hiding behind screen names with little other identi
fication and no location.
For nine years I hosted a Kitfox fly-in at my home in a residential airpark
and the best part of it was the people. We'd get a hundred or so with thir
ty or forty airplanes. It wasn't the airplanes that drove the effort, but t
he people. Then to the factory fly-in. Real names from the list, vs. screen
names from the Forum? I'm talking to some one and don't have a clue who I'
m talking to because I only know him as "Lift Strut" or something.
Sorry for the rant,
Lowell
Model IV-1200
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I also have hearing lose. You may have already done this but breaking the
piggy bank and buying an active noise reduction head set helped the most.
On Dec 8, 2013 8:41 PM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> *With all the great posts over the past three or four days, I developed
> the courage to bring up something that is troubling me flying wise.*
>
> *I have lost significant hearing - to the point that air to air or air to
> ground communication is impossible without some significant help. I use
> hearing aids and have hard wired the audio from the radio to the
> receiver/controller I wear around my neck. I talks to the hearing aids
> through Blue Tooth. It helps a lot when it works. I thought I lost my
> radio on the trip to Desert Fox Squadron last March and seriously wonder
> now if it was the radio or the hard wiring to the thing around my neck.*
>
> *Does anyone else have this problem and if so what have you done to
> mitigate it?*
> *Lowell*
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 |
Steve, it's certainly ok to post your flying adventures on this or any site
. there are people like you that are more interested in the flying part of
aviation rather than the building part. I'll certainly read your flying adv
entures.
Lenny A. Muzzi III
Kitfox model II 582 IVO 3 blade
tail dragger.
Halifax Mass
-----Original Message-----
From: SkySteve <Wilson@REinfo.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 9:33 pm
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13
Pat,
Yes, I do understand the uniqueness of the building quality of sites like t
hese,
and agree that's why most posts are centered around building. I'm just not
smart
enough, nor willing to put in the time to build. I just want to fly. I have
to
admit I, too, have gleaned a lot of info from the builders' discussions and
have
added many mods to my plane because of their discussions. All good stuff. M
y
point was that my personal main interest is the adventures and thrill of fl
ight
I get from my Kitfox, and that I like to share those with others.
I don't think the TKF site is set up to email you. My understanding is you
are
required to get on the site thru the internet. If it helps, once you log-on
and
put in your password, there is a box to check which will automatically log
you
in each time you go to the site, just like this site will do.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415162#415162
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 |
Hey, Mike
Do you keep your Kitfox at Dear Valley?
Pete Christensen
Leander, TX
Kitfox III, 912, Sn 1000
On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net> wrote:
> Dave sez:
>
>> I put my name to my posts and I agree that some have chosen behind a "ali
as name " but really who cares.
>
> It's obvious from the responses here that quite a few people do care. I, f
or one, would never trust my life to advice I got from someone who's not eve
n willing to give me his name.
>
> I think some of the decline in activity on this list is reflective of the d
ecline in activity in general aviation overall. Have we done a poor job of p
assing the torch of personal flying to the next generation?
>
> Mike G.
> Phoenix, AZ
> Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 |
I'm not hiding from anyone.
Lloyd Eggstaff
Kingman, AZ
Vixen Serial #1
300 hrs
On Dec 9, 2013 7:28 AM, "Pete Christensen" <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
> Hey, Mike
>
> Do you keep your Kitfox at Dear Valley?
>
> Pete Christensen
> Leander, TX
> Kitfox III, 912, Sn 1000
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dave sez:
>
> I put my name to my posts and I agree that some have chosen behind a
> "alias name " but really who cares.
>
>
> It's obvious from the responses here that quite a few people do care. I,
> for one, would never trust my life to advice I got from someone who's not
> even willing to give me his name.
>
> I think some of the decline in activity on this list is reflective of the
> decline in activity in general aviation overall. Have we done a poor job of
> passing the torch of personal flying to the next generation?
>
> Mike G.
> Phoenix, AZ
> Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
I'm still here! =0A=0AMarco Menezes N99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch
=0AHersey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Patri
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Friday, December 6, 2013 9:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to
this Kifox List?=0A =0A=0A=0AMike, Yes, it is too bad. It's been this way
for quite awhile.-Maybe Team Kitfox is active, but I don't like the forma
t of that site,.as I have previously said. Pass words user names, etc.-cu
mbersome and convoluted compared to this site. Progress you know, designed
by progressives---I don't think I could have rebuilt my plane without
this site. I still solicit on this site when I need parts. There are still
a few of us that monitor the site. =0A=0APat Reilly=0AMod 3 582 Rebuilt=0A
Rockford, IL=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Malcolm Brubaker <b
rubakermal@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0Aim still here- in michigan-! and had
to wonder if it is still legal to shoot a gun from a plane out west ?=0A>
-i t would be cool to mount a pair of shotguns to a "lite"- and shoot c
oyotes ,=0A>-=0A>Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0A>Michigan Sport Pilot Repai
r =0A>http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/=0A>LSRM-A, PPC, WS=0A>Great Sail
s - Sailmaker =0A>for Ultralight & Light Sport=0A>(989)513-3022=0A>-=0A>
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=0A>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 8:53 P
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=0A>=0A>Aside from a couple of posts about a model 3 and GSC Prop there has
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Me, too!
Margaret Hastedt
Classic IV, Jabiru 3300
College Station, TX
>>> Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com> 12/9/2013 10:19 AM >>>
I'm still here!
Marco Menezes N99KX
Kitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch
Hersey, MI
From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
Mike, Yes, it is too bad. It's been this way for quite awhile. Maybe Team
Kitfox is active, but I don't like the format of that site,.as I have
previously said. Pass words user names, etc. cumbersome and convoluted
compared to this site. Progress you know, designed by progressives I
don't think I could have rebuilt my plane without this site. I still
solicit on this site when I need parts. There are still a few of us that
monitor the site.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
wrote:
im still here in michigan ! and had to wonder if it is still legal to
shoot a gun from a plane out west ?
i t would be cool to mount a pair of shotguns to a "lite" and shoot
coyotes ,
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
From: Kitfox Guy <mmeyers7167@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
Aside from a couple of posts about a model 3 and GSC Prop there has
been
No messages about Kitfoxs in several months. Where has everyone gone?
Seems like the list died
--------
Michael Meyers
KF IV - Cont. 0-200
N598BM
L67
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Dave,
That would be a dream come true. but then I have to mention an
experience while test flying the new airplane out of Lincoln Harder,
North of Sacramento. I would always fly the test flights over the rice
and tomato fields because of the flat and test friendly ground below.
Then on return I would fly East for a bit past the airport so I could
make a standard approach to 15, reporting over the sawmill. One day on
the way to my entry, after hearing all the muffled gibberish (to me)
radio calls, I heard this - "Citation ??????? Approaching Lincoln
Harder, 15 miles out on a straight in for runway 15". This was crisp
and clear. No question who or what or where. I couldn't believe it. It
sort of surprised me to learn that much of my problem is that my ears
won't clean up what is in reality typically very poor transmissions.
That Citation had good avionics and was professionally maintained. Most
of the rest of us just hope for the best.
Lowell
From: Dave
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Discussion
Lowell, at What point can we just text message the tower?
and get the clearance back in Text? Like Siri on Iphone ?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Lowell Fitt
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:37 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Discussion
With all the great posts over the past three or four days, I developed
the courage to bring up something that is troubling me flying wise.
I have lost significant hearing - to the point that air to air or air
to ground communication is impossible without some significant help. I
use hearing aids and have hard wired the audio from the radio to the
receiver/controller I wear around my neck. I talks to the hearing aids
through Blue Tooth. It helps a lot when it works. I thought I lost my
radio on the trip to Desert Fox Squadron last March and seriously wonder
now if it was the radio or the hard wiring to the thing around my neck.
Does anyone else have this problem and if so what have you done to
mitigate it?
Lowell
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Kitfox Folks,
I think the more information sources the better!
I recently bought a used Kitfox Vixen. One of the deciding factors for me
is the large numbers of Kitfox copies out there and their owners
experiences to share with others. I have communicated with others on both this
list
and the Kitfox Forum (which is apparently monitored by the McBeans Kitfox
Factory as well). So far, I have been able to get the parts I need from
the McBeans, as well as advice on technical matters from both sites.
Skot
Vixen 24V 912 ULS
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I also wondered about the drop in postings. Went to Osh and didn't see that
many Kitfoxes. I am completing my Mod 4 1200 Speedster now. The engine is
a Viking and I plan on adding smoke and trying my hand at skywriting. I
also am adding the convertible wing tips so the additional 3 feet of wing
can be added when needed. I sold my Mod 2, 2 years ago to make room for
the Lancair 360, now flying. When I finish the Mod 4, I will get to work on
the next build, a Lancair Super ES. It will be a treat to fly the speedster
with a real 4 cycle engine and 110 horses by Honda. The 582 flew fine,
until it stopped. Fortunately I was over a runway. The idea of a cross
country flight behind a 582 just never felt good. We have a big feral hog
problem near Dallas, so the Speedster will be a good gun platform with the
doors off. Pork chops, anyone?
Ed Gray Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: posting news |
I have heard some good things about the Honda Viking motor but have seen one
in a Kitfox, are there any out there? how's the install going? Looking for
ward to hearing performance when the time comes
Dan Hatch
Arlington WA
SS7 building
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 10:06 AM, "Ed Gray" <egraylaw@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> I also wondered about the drop in postings. Went to Osh and didn=99
t see that many Kitfoxes. I am completing my Mod 4 1200 Speedster now. The
engine is a Viking and I plan on adding smoke and trying my hand at skywrit
ing. I also am adding the convertible wing tips so the additional 3 feet of
wing can be added when needed. I sold my Mod 2, 2 years ago to make room f
or the Lancair 360, now flying. When I finish the Mod 4, I will get to work
on the next build, a Lancair Super ES. It will be a treat to fly the speed
ster with a real 4 cycle engine and 110 horses by Honda. The 582 flew fine,
until it stopped. Fortunately I was over a runway. The idea of a cross co
untry flight behind a 582 just never felt good. We have a big feral hog p
roblem near Dallas, so the Speedster will be a good gun platform with the do
ors off. Pork chops, anyone?
> Ed Gray Dallas
>
>
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Too many chainsaws and helicopters in my life have ruined my ears. I broke down
and got hearing aids this year. The guy said I have moderate hearing loss in
the frequency where children's voices are and sever loss in the frequency where
women's voices are.
There's been some pretty good advances in hearing aids the past few years. He programed
them on a computer to match my hearing loss. I can now hear things I
haven't heard for a ling time...like birds chirping.
I haven't worn them in the kitfox yet. Mine is very noisey. I have a good ANR
headset and my KX99 is very clear. My problem is there is a college flight program
here and those kids talk so darn fast.
If the other plane has a clear transmission and talks normal I can under stand
them. If too fast or a crappie radio I can't.
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415219#415219
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| Subject: | Re: posting news |
Ed,
Wow, you are busy. I put in almost two years helping friend with a
Lancair IV, and there is an ES around the corner that we looked at often
during that project. Lots of work, but a real performer.
Lowell
From: Ed Gray
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: Kitfox-List: posting news
I also wondered about the drop in postings. Went to Osh and didn't see
that many Kitfoxes. I am completing my Mod 4 1200 Speedster now. The
engine is a Viking and I plan on adding smoke and trying my hand at
skywriting. I also am adding the convertible wing tips so the
additional 3 feet of wing can be added when needed. I sold my Mod 2, 2
years ago to make room for the Lancair 360, now flying. When I finish
the Mod 4, I will get to work on the next build, a Lancair Super ES. It
will be a treat to fly the speedster with a real 4 cycle engine and 110
horses by Honda. The 582 flew fine, until it stopped. Fortunately I
was over a runway. The idea of a cross country flight behind a 582 just
never felt good. We have a big feral hog problem near Dallas, so the
Speedster will be a good gun platform with the doors off. Pork chops,
anyone?
Ed Gray Dallas
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| Subject: | Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Kitfox Folks,
With the idea of sharing Kitfox (folding wing plane) fun with others on
this site, here goes.
My wife and I are snow birds with places off Chesapeake Bay and in the
Florida Keys, so warm weather local Kitfox flying is year around for us.
For over ten years I could not get hanger space in the Keys so kept our
Kitfox IV in a custom car trailer.
Making a long story short, over time, I started towing the trailer and
plane all over the US behind a conversion van type motorhome. We drop the
trailer/plane at local airports near spectacular low and slow flying
locations. This lets us "See the USA in OUR Chevrolet and LSA", flying
when the flying is great and touring by land otherwise.
Favorite locations include national park areas in the south west along the
Colorado River (Monument Valley, Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Moab - Arches,
Islands in the Sky, Valley of the Gods, etc), Florida Keys, Gulf Coast
beaches, and Down East Maine particularly around Acadia/Bar Harbor.
Over time, quite a few lessons have been learned from experience and
experimentation that make the over all process quicker, easier, less
expensive and more fun.
Happy to share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or
who have wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to
picking up new tricks from others as well.
BJ
Kitfox IV, 912, Warp Drive
bjones@dmv.com
As an aside I will probably do "How To Do It" Power Point forums and
display the trailer/plane setup at Sebring and Sun N Fun again this year.
Oh, I do this this just for fun, no sales or vender support is involved.
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| Subject: | trim elevator Kitfox Serie 6 |
Dear kitfox friends,=0A=0AI have a KF Serie 6 with electric trim in the hor
izontal stab. I went to Baja California two weeks ago and I noticed that it
got a little "lazy". Flying at 100 knots it was impossible to compensate t
he flight. Is it possible to lubricate the system and if so, what kind of g
rease do I have to use?=0A=0AMany thanks in advance,=0A=0AFrancisco Icaza,
=0AMexico City.-=0A=0ABy the way, I=B4ve been in the list for 13 years. N
ot many posts, but I=B4m sure it has been very useful for me, even if I onl
y read the info. I=B4m very glad to be in touch with you and to belong to t
his list. This plane is my second Kitfox. The first one was a Classic IV th
at still flyes in the Club I belong.=0A=0ARegards.=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________
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> On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net> wrote:
> ...I have...sever[e] loss in the frequency where women's voices are.
Why would you want to fix THAT? :-)
Sorry ladies, just kidding!
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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> On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:37 PM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> ...I use hearing aids and have hard wired the audio from the radio to the r
eceiver/controller I wear around my neck. I talks to the hearing aids throug
h Blue Tooth.
Lowell, Murle Williams has a similar device, you might want to chat with him
about his experiences.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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| Subject: | Re: trim elevator Kitfox Serie 6 |
Nice plane!
Sacha
Do not archive
On Dec 9, 2013, at 20:51, icaza francisco <franicaza@yahoo.com.mx> wrote:
> Dear kitfox friends,
>
> I have a KF Serie 6 with electric trim in the horizontal stab. I went to B
aja California two weeks ago and I noticed that it got a little "lazy". Flyi
ng at 100 knots it was impossible to compensate the flight. Is it possible t
o lubricate the system and if so, what kind of grease do I have to use?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Francisco Icaza,
> Mexico City.
>
> By the way, I=81Lve been in the list for 13 years. Not many posts, but I=81
Lm sure it has been very useful for me, even if I only read the info. I=81Lm
very glad to be in touch with you and to belong to this list. This plane is
my second Kitfox. The first one was a Classic IV that still flyes in the Cl
ub I belong.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> <Kitfox S6 XB-HXQ.jpg>
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> On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:00 AM, "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
> Lowell, at What point can we just text message the tower? and get the cle
arance back in Text? Like Siri on Iphone ?
Digital datalink is available for many larger airplanes and allows just that
(albeit, not using a phone, per se). It hasn't tickled down to us little gu
ys yet, though...
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/06/13 |
Hi Pete,
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 7:19 AM, Pete Christensen <pchristensen10@austin.rr.com
> wrote:
> Hey, Mike
> Do you keep your Kitfox at Dear Valley?
I used to, until I wrecked it. Now, both the remains of the first one and th
e new one are at Murle Williams' shop a few miles from DVT.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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| Subject: | Heavy right wing |
Hi Kitfoxers
I did a test flight yesterday (Kitfox IV rebuild) and the plane would not stay
on the same course and required lots of left stick. If I let go of the stick and
keep the ball centered, the plane banks to the right. Fuel contents in each
wing were approximately equal.
On the ground with the plane level I measured the angle of each wing and found
that the right wing has a slightly lower angle of attack than the left wing -
about 0.5 degrees.
Is this enough of a difference in your opinion to cause so much difference? What
else could be the cause? (When I have more time I am going to go through
and check the dihedral and wing washout as well but I'm curious wether I am on
the right track here).
Sacha
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It did give me a good excuse for not hearing her sometimes. Now she just says,
"Do you have your earwigs in?"
michaelgibbs(at)cox.net wrote:
>
> > On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Tom Jones" wrote:
> > ...I have...sever[e] loss in the frequency where women's voices are.
> >
> >
>
> Why would you want to fix THAT? :-)
>
> Sorry ladies, just kidding!
>
> Mike G.
> Phoenix, AZ
> Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
--------
Tom Jones
Classic IV
503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
Ellensburg, WA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415244#415244
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Marco, Good to hear your still here. Here in MI still?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
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Steve, It's really advantageous to have the posts automatically sent to
you. I almost never "log into" this site. I monitor the posts and reply
occasionally. I learned a great deal of information and familiarized myself
with the members without ever logging into the site just by following the
posts. For my money, and I do contribute, you can't beat this format.
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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Lowell, What type of camera are you using? My 13 year old grandson races
motocross with a GoPro helmet camera. The GoPro cameras are awesome
technology.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I think I am finally finished building, but that is where my heart is.
> I had a video camera mount on my first IV and can't seem to live without
> one. I am on my third iteration of a mount for my current project - it h
ad
> to be HD and able to zoom. The first two versions were miserable
> failures. It also had to be on a controllable gimbal mount. I think I
am
> almost finished and am more optimistic this time. Then what, though.
>
> I gotta say this though, I am glad to see some of the names who have
> influenced me so much in the past. It feels really good that everyone is
> still around.
>
> Lowell
>
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:34 PM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: 95DD
>
> Dave, See it ain't just me!
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Weiss Richard <MDKitfox@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have to agree with Lowell. I've been on the list since 94. I used to
>> be more active, but over the years I've gone from building to flying and
>> don't have much to offer on the construction side. My Model V/912ULS ju
st
>> trucks along with no real issues.
>>
>> TK is okay, but like most of you, I prefer to know who I'm talking to.
I
>> do read all the posts, but by the time I get to the list, people much
>> smarter than I have already provided the answers.
>>
>> I do pay close attention to the more global discussions as I'm on the
>> Board at EAA as well as the Chairman of the Homebuilt Aircraft Council.
I
>> learn a lot from this list and the others I'm on. So keep writing and k
now
>> you're being heard and more importantly, listened to.
>>
>> Fly Safe!
>>
>> Rick Weiss
>> Spruce Creek Fly-in, FL
>> Happily flying SkyStar's serial number 1of the Model V
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:09 AM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> > I was looking through my old Kitfox Times collections - Issue 2, 1994
>> and found this page. I thought you might want a copy if you don't alrea
dy
>> have one.
>> >
>> > No real problems with TK, but for some reason I have not sensed the
>> warmth, I felt with fellow Kitfoxers that I felt with the old fashioned
>> lists. The original Kitfox list started in 1994 or so by a guy out of t
he
>> University of Colorado - found the announcement as I was reading through
>> the old Kitfox times. I joined right away and became close friends wit
h a
>> lot of the guys and met many at fly-ins and made personal visits with
>> others across the country as I was able. Maybe it is just me, but for t
he
>> most part, I knew who they were, what they did and where they lived and
we
>> communicated with first names rather than code names. If I saw a name
tag
>> or data plate that said John Jones, I knew who I was talking to. It j
ust
>> seemed more friendly to me.
>> >
>> > Lowell
>> > <Scan0020.jpg>
>>
>>
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> --
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuild
> Rockford,IL
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| Subject: | old time members |
Hey are you still up there in Alaska Snake Oil Salesman? Or how about you
Knoll in Newfoundland?
--
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuild
Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
I've always wanted to do that..... Would be great to hear you lessons learnt.....
Allan
Happy to share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or who have
wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to picking
up new tricks from others as well.
BJ
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy right wing |
On 12/9/2013 1:42 PM, Sacha wrote:
> Is this enough of a difference in your opinion to cause so much difference?
I'm going to say definitely. Really, you have only a few choices, plus
some also-rans. Choices:
* Wing twist different - noted.
* Wing weight different. Check using scales under the mains. This
happens occasionally in flight when one tank drains while the
other is full.
* Flaperon rigging off. If one flaperon is low this will drag that
wing back. You'll center the ball with the rudder which will cause
that wing to lift, resulting in a feeling of miss-rigging.
Also rans:
* Twisted fuselage causing one wing to lead.
* Really bad wing rigging causing one wing to lead. (Wings not
perpendicular to fuselage.)
* Accidentally put wing extension on only one side.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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Tom,
I was at Sams Club having a gourmet hot dog and I am sure folks wondered
what I was laughing about. It put a smile on my face until I had to start
the Honey Dos at Target. "Earwigs" is classic. My wife just says, "Are
your ears in"? I have learned to put them in as soon as I wake up in the
morning to avoid watching her mouth move then look at me expectantly. My
wife is in Orlando keeping warm.
Lowell
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tom Jones" <nahsikhs@elltel.net>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Discussion
>
> It did give me a good excuse for not hearing her sometimes. Now she just
> says, "Do you have your earwigs in?"
>
>
> michaelgibbs(at)cox.net wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 9, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "Tom Jones" wrote:
>> > ...I have...sever[e] loss in the frequency where women's voices are.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Why would you want to fix THAT? :-)
>>
>> Sorry ladies, just kidding!
>>
>> Mike G.
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
>
>
> --------
> Tom Jones
> Classic IV
> 503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
> Ellensburg, WA
>
>
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Pat,
I am using a Canon HF S30. They are out of production but I found one
on ebay. It came with original packaging for about half the original
price. I wanted Zoom and focus capability. I guess as soon as I finish
my set-up and get it going, GoPro will introduce Zoom and focus. The
reason I looked for the HF S30 is because it has LanC capability. LanC
allows me to plug a controller in a mini stereo jack and it gives me
Camera On/Off, Record On/Off, Proportional zoom - hit the zoom hard and
it is quick, touch it softly and it zooms very slowly, an Auto/Manual
Focus switch and the ability to manually focus. With autofocus on and
trying to record an airplane in the air nearby, the sensors will often
search all over the field and never find what it is looking for. All
this in a controller that will attach to the control joy stick with a
three wire cable that runs to the jack on the camera. Now only three
wires to the camera, LanC, Power and the video out for the monitor. The
only thing it doesn't have is aperture control which is desirable, but
in our new world so many things .... Don't want to go there. It also
records to SDHC cards which will give minimum of nine hours of recording
time - vs. the one hour tape drive - and has slots for two removable
SDHC cards for 18 more hours. So now a whole trip without having to
remove the camera from the mount.
Lowell
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 95DD
Lowell, What type of camera are you using? My 13 year old grandson races
motocross with a GoPro helmet camera. The GoPro cameras are awesome
technology.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Lowell Fitt <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
I think I am finally finished building, but that is where my heart is.
I had a video camera mount on my first IV and can't seem to live
without one. I am on my third iteration of a mount for my current
project - it had to be HD and able to zoom. The first two versions were
miserable failures. It also had to be on a controllable gimbal mount.
I think I am almost finished and am more optimistic this time. Then
what, though.
I gotta say this though, I am glad to see some of the names who have
influenced me so much in the past. It feels really good that everyone
is still around.
Lowell
From: Patrick Reilly
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:34 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: 95DD
Dave, See it ain't just me!
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Weiss Richard <MDKitfox@aol.com>
wrote:
I have to agree with Lowell. I've been on the list since 94. I
used to be more active, but over the years I've gone from building to
flying and don't have much to offer on the construction side. My Model
V/912ULS just trucks along with no real issues.
TK is okay, but like most of you, I prefer to know who I'm talking
to. I do read all the posts, but by the time I get to the list, people
much smarter than I have already provided the answers.
I do pay close attention to the more global discussions as I'm on
the Board at EAA as well as the Chairman of the Homebuilt Aircraft
Council. I learn a lot from this list and the others I'm on. So keep
writing and know you're being heard and more importantly, listened to.
Fly Safe!
Rick Weiss
Spruce Creek Fly-in, FL
Happily flying SkyStar's serial number 1of the Model V
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:09 AM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I was looking through my old Kitfox Times collections - Issue 2,
1994 and found this page. I thought you might want a copy if you don't
already have one.
>
> No real problems with TK, but for some reason I have not sensed
the warmth, I felt with fellow Kitfoxers that I felt with the old
fashioned lists. The original Kitfox list started in 1994 or so by a
guy out of the University of Colorado - found the announcement as I was
reading through the old Kitfox times. I joined right away and became
close friends with a lot of the guys and met many at fly-ins and made
personal visits with others across the country as I was able. Maybe it
is just me, but for the most part, I knew who they were, what they did
and where they lived and we communicated with first names rather than
code names. If I saw a name tag or data plate that said John Jones, I
knew who I was talking to. It just seemed more friendly to me.
>
> Lowell
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Mike,
In the perfect world, I would like to see voice recognition that would
show the spoken words as text on a screen. Something like the voice
capable GPSs. I would like to talk, but receive in text. I guess if
there were dialogue sequences that could be clicked on it would help, as
I don't type very well either.
Lowell
From: Michael Gibbs
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Discussion
On Dec 9, 2013, at 4:00 AM, "Dave" <dave@cfisher.com> wrote:
Lowell, at What point can we just text message the tower? and get the
clearance back in Text? Like Siri on Iphone ?
Digital datalink is available for many larger airplanes and allows just
that (albeit, not using a phone, per se). It hasn't tickled down to us
little guys yet, though...
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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Mike,
This is what I was hoping to hear.
Lowell
From: Michael Gibbs
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Discussion
On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:37 PM, "Lowell Fitt" <lcfitt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
...I use hearing aids and have hard wired the audio from the radio to
the receiver/controller I wear around my neck. I talks to the hearing
aids through Blue Tooth.
Lowell, Murle Williams has a similar device, you might want to chat with
him about his experiences.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
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| Subject: | Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Allan,
Among the lessons learned from others is that a Kitfox is subject to frame
bending ahead of the tail if the braces supplied by Kitfox to support the
wings when folded are not in place and the plane is bounced down the road
on a trailer with a STIFF suspension. This could really ruin your day and
pocketbook. Use the braces!
I have heard reports of folks strapping the plane down to a trailer by
going over the folded wings. By doing that they bent structural stuff as
the plane bounced up and down on the gear, stressing plane parts not meant
to handle that kind of stuff. Don't do it.
Another report was of a fellow who strapped his plane down to floor tie
down rings. The plywood floor had some rot and the tie down rings pulled
free, letting the plane beat itself up in the trailer as it bounced down
the road. Lesson learned the hard way.
I tried strapping over the main gear tires, a technique many car trailer
operators use. The plane still wanted to bounce around on the gear pretty
badly. The plane also bounced some on the tires as they compressed. This
was no good.
So I quickly adopted strapping the plane down at the float attach points.
These are built to take stress. Then tightening these ratchet straps
tight, putting down force on the gear and the tires. This really cuts the
bouncing tendency. Safely securing the plane in the trailer for a lot of
long distance towing is a big deal and of course there is more to it.
Putting 3 inch thick foam pads between the folded wings and trailer walls
provides a second line of defense against bouncing around and damage.
This has worked well for maybe 100,000 miles of towing the plane over the
years.
There are more little tricks but these are probably the most important and
easiest to describe.
To be price competitive, Most 7,000 lb gross weight trailers come stock
with cheap, minimum size, Chinese load range C tires. I have over a dozen
trailers and hate these cheap tires. They pop way before they wear out and
at the worst, least safe time and places. Read rush hour, night, rain,
with no shoulder. (Avoid this type of towing.) Since I have been using
load range E tires this problem is way less frequent.
A bunch of the South Florida boat trailer builders who make trailers for
really big trailer boats (read four 350 hp outboard motors), and the local
boat trailer shops who service these trailers automatically go with load
range E passenger truck tires. They claim that after the national
headlines on Firestone tire failures and Ford Explorer rollovers a decade
or more ago, passenger truck tire regulation and quality control went way
up but cheap imported trailer tires are still @%$#!
I guess the last serious lesson "learnt" was when i purchased our first
conversion van with big block Chevy engine. The power was great, loved it.
The vehicle was rated for higher towing weights than I was towing BUT the
overhang between rear axle and hitch ball was pretty long creating a long
lever arm and the fishtail tendency was amazing, (read scared the heck out
of me). A quality Load leveler hitch and anti sway bars could not correct
this problem. Sold it.
Subsequently I have done test drives with a lot of small to medium RVs
with my trailers in tow, and found most to be marginal tow vehicles due to
poor physics (read short wheel base and long rear overhangs). The 190
series Roadtreks on 3500 Chevy Express Van chassis handle well and have
long wheel bases plus SHORT rear overhangs (good physics for towing).
I guess there is one more lesson learned. Not everyone was born to tow a
trailer. My wife is a truly smart lady. She manages psychiatrists for a
living. However, after some run ins with trailer fenders, mail boxes and
the like we have established a differentiation of duties which works well
for all involved regarding towing. The universe is now back in harmony.
Bj Kitfox IV 912
2004 Roadtrek 190
>
> I've always wanted to do that..... Would be great to hear you lessons
> learnt.....
> Allan
>
>
> Happy to share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or
> who have wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to
> picking up new tricks from others as well.
>
> BJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Allan,
Among the lessons learned from others is that a Kitfox is subject to frame
bending ahead of the tail if the braces supplied by Kitfox to support the
wings when folded are not in place and the plane is bounced down the road
on a trailer with a STIFF suspension. This could really ruin your day and
pocketbook. Use the braces!
I have heard reports of folks strapping the plane down to a trailer by
going over the folded wings. By doing that they bent structural stuff as
the plane bounced up and down on the gear, stressing plane parts not meant
to handle that kind of stuff. Don't do it.
Another report was of a fellow who strapped his plane down to floor tie
down rings. The plywood floor had some rot and the tie down rings pulled
free, letting the plane beat itself up in the trailer as it bounced down
the road. Lesson learned the hard way.
I tried strapping over the main gear tires, a technique many car trailer
operators use. The plane still wanted to bounce around on the gear pretty
badly. The plane also bounced some on the tires as they compressed. This
was no good.
So I quickly adopted strapping the plane down at the float attach points.
These are built to take stress. Then tightening these ratchet straps
tight, putting down force on the gear and the tires. This really cuts the
bouncing tendency. Safely securing the plane in the trailer for a lot of
long distance towing is a big deal and of course there is more to it.
Putting 3 inch thick foam pads between the folded wings and trailer walls
provides a second line of defense against bouncing around and damage.
This has worked well for maybe 100,000 miles of towing the plane over the
years.
There are more little tricks but these are probably the most important and
easiest to describe.
To be price competitive, Most 7,000 lb gross weight trailers come stock
with cheap, minimum size, Chinese load range C tires. I have over a dozen
trailers and hate these cheap tires. They pop way before they wear out and
at the worst, least safe time and places. Read rush hour, night, rain,
with no shoulder. (Avoid this type of towing.) Since I have been using
load range E tires this problem is way less frequent.
A bunch of the South Florida boat trailer builders who make trailers for
really big trailer boats (read four 350 hp outboard motors), and the local
boat trailer shops who service these trailers automatically go with load
range E passenger truck tires. They claim that after the national
headlines on Firestone tire failures and Ford Explorer rollovers a decade
or more ago, passenger truck tire regulation and quality control went way
up but cheap imported trailer tires are still @%$#!
I guess the last serious lesson "learnt" was when i purchased our first
conversion van with big block Chevy engine. The power was great, loved it.
The vehicle was rated for higher towing weights than I was towing BUT the
overhang between rear axle and hitch ball was pretty long creating a long
lever arm and the fishtail tendency was amazing, (read scared the heck out
of me). A quality Load leveler hitch and anti sway bars could not correct
this problem. Sold it.
Subsequently I have done test drives with a lot of small to medium RVs
with my trailers in tow, and found most to be marginal tow vehicles due to
poor physics (read short wheel base and long rear overhangs). The 190
series Roadtreks on 3500 Chevy Express Van chassis handle well and have
long wheel bases plus SHORT rear overhangs (good physics for towing).
I guess there is one more lesson learned. Not everyone was born to tow a
trailer. My wife is a truly smart lady. She manages psychiatrists for a
living. However, after some run ins with trailer fenders, mail boxes and
the like we have established a differentiation of duties which works well
for all involved regarding towing. The universe is now back in harmony.
Bj Kitfox IV 912
2004 Roadtrek 190
>
> I've always wanted to do that..... Would be great to hear you lessons
> learnt.....
> Allan
>
>
> Happy to share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or
> who have wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to
> picking up new tricks from others as well.
>
> BJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy right wing |
I had the same problem with my Model IV when I first started flying it. I ended
up adjusting the rod ends, tightening one 1/2 turn then loosening the other 1/2
turn. First one wing then the other. I had to go through several iterations
to get it right.
Mike G.
Phoenix, AZ
Kitfox IV-1200 Speedster, Series 6
> On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Sacha <uuccio@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Kitfoxers
> I did a test flight yesterday (Kitfox IV rebuild) and the plane would not stay
on the same course and required lots of left stick. If I let go of the stick
and keep the ball centered, the plane banks to the right. Fuel contents in each
wing were approximately equal.
> On the ground with the plane level I measured the angle of each wing and found
that the right wing has a slightly lower angle of attack than the left wing
- about 0.5 degrees.
> Is this enough of a difference in your opinion to cause so much difference?
What else could be the cause? (When I have more time I am going to go through
and check the dihedral and wing washout as well but I'm curious wether I am
on the right track here).
> Sacha
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Me too! One day....
Sacha
On Dec 9, 2013, at 23:32, Allan Aaron <aaaron@tvp.com.au> wrote:
>
> I've always wanted to do that..... Would be great to hear you lessons learnt.....
> Allan
>
>
> Happy to share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or who
have wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to picking
up new tricks from others as well.
>
> BJ
>
>
>
>
>
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