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1. 08:23 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Marco Menezes)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Ron L)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (Marco Menezes)
4. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
6. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (bjones@dmv.com)
7. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (Sacha)
8. 10:52 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Patrick Reilly)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (Guy Buchanan)
10. 11:26 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Marco Menezes)
11. 11:26 AM - Flight Lake Powell (bjones@dmv.com)
12. 11:41 AM - Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? (Marco Menezes)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: Flight Lake Powell (bjones@dmv.com)
14. 01:25 PM - Re: Flight Lake Powell (Sacha)
15. 01:35 PM - Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox (bjones@dmv.com)
16. 02:46 PM - Re: Heavy right wing (Mike Logan)
17. 05:44 PM - Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox (SkySteve)
18. 05:48 PM - Re: Flight Lake Powell (SkySteve)
19. 06:04 PM - Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots (SkySteve)
20. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox (bjones@dmv.com)
21. 09:23 PM - Re: Flight Lake Powell (Guy Buchanan)
22. 11:29 PM - Re: Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox (James Crowder)
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Yep. We are planted here for life, Patrick. Flying season is over for me. I
had an issue this past season thhough, after mounting new Kingfox tires.,T
he airplane was frequently yawing to the left on touchdown resulting in a n
umber of "excursions" into the grass (always to the left).- Been thinking
about why.=0A=0AWhile swapping out the tires, I couldn't get the bead to r
eseat on the left one so took it to a tire store. I've since learned that t
hey used "alot" of bead seating compound to get the job done.- I've concl
uded that I didn't suddenly forget how to land a taildragger, rather that t
he main gear has likely become unbalanced due to a ton of goo slapping arou
nd in the left tire. I'll have to remove the tire again, clean it out and r
emount- reseating the bead myself useing Dave's you-tube "explosion" meth
od. Tried that with a trailer tire last Summer and it works pretty slick. S
tay tuned!=0A=0AMarco Menezes N99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch=0AHer
sey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Patrick Rei
lly <patreilly43@gmail.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday
, December 9, 2013 4:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this
Kifox List?=0A =0A=0A=0AMarco, Good to hear your still here. Here in MI sti
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Here is a trick I learned way back for getting tires to reseat the bead:
With the tire on the wheel, take a 1=9D or 2=9D wide
jacking tie down strap and wrap it around the tire down its center line.
Then tighten the strap by jacking it until the bead is tight to the
wheel. Then put air into it through the stem. You will hear the pop when
it seats tight.
I use this method on golf cart wheel changes as well as my Model 2 Fox.
Ron #336
From: Marco Menezes
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
Yep. We are planted here for life, Patrick. Flying season is over for
me. I had an issue this past season thhough, after mounting new Kingfox
tires.,The airplane was frequently yawing to the left on touchdown
resulting in a number of "excursions" into the grass (always to the
left). Been thinking about why.
While swapping out the tires, I couldn't get the bead to reseat on the
left one so took it to a tire store. I've since learned that they used
"alot" of bead seating compound to get the job done. I've concluded
that I didn't suddenly forget how to land a taildragger, rather that the
main gear has likely become unbalanced due to a ton of goo slapping
around in the left tire. I'll have to remove the tire again, clean it
out and remount reseating the bead myself useing Dave's you-tube
"explosion" method. Tried that with a trailer tire last Summer and it
works pretty slick. Stay tuned!
Marco Menezes N99KX
Kitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch
Hersey, MI
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From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
Marco, Good to hear your still here. Here in MI still?
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
BJ:=0A=0AWhat are the rules regarding flying low and slow over the National
parks? Approaching retirement and this sounds like great fun.=0A=0AMarco M
enezes N99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch=0AHersey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0A From: "bjones@dmv.com" <bjones@dmv.com>
=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, December 9, 2013 9:48 PM
=0ASubject: RE: Kitfox-List: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots
=0AAmong the lessons learned from others is that a Kitfox is subject to fra
me=0Abending ahead of the tail if the braces supplied by Kitfox to support
the=0Awings when folded are not in place and the plane is bounced down the
road=0Aon a trailer with a STIFF suspension. This could really ruin your da
y and=0Apocketbook.- Use the braces!=0A=0AI have heard reports of folks s
trapping the plane down to a trailer by=0Agoing over the folded wings. By d
oing that they bent structural stuff as=0Athe plane bounced up and down on
the gear, stressing plane parts not meant=0Ato handle that kind of stuff. D
on't do it.=0A=0AAnother report was of a fellow who- strapped his plane d
own to floor tie=0Adown rings. The plywood floor had some rot and the tie d
own rings pulled=0Afree, letting the plane beat itself up in the trailer as
it bounced down=0Athe road. Lesson learned the hard way.=0A=0AI tried stra
pping over the main gear tires, a technique many car trailer=0Aoperators us
e. The plane still wanted to bounce around on the gear pretty=0Abadly. The
plane also bounced some on the tires as they compressed. This=0Awas no good
.=0A=0ASo I quickly adopted strapping the plane down at the float attach po
ints.=0AThese are built to take stress.- Then tightening these ratchet st
raps=0Atight, putting down force on the gear and the tires. This really cut
s the=0Abouncing tendency. Safely securing the plane in the trailer for a l
ot of=0Along distance towing is a big deal and of course there is more to i
t.=0A=0APutting 3 inch thick foam pads between the folded wings and trailer
walls=0Aprovides a second line of defense against bouncing around and dama
ge. =0AThis has worked well for maybe 100,000 miles of towing the plane ove
r the=0Ayears.=0A=0AThere are more little tricks but these are probably the
most important and=0Aeasiest to describe.=0A=0ATo be price competitive, Mo
st 7,000 lb gross weight trailers come stock=0Awith cheap, minimum size,-
Chinese load range C tires. I have over a dozen=0Atrailers and hate these
cheap tires. They pop way before they wear out and=0Aat the worst, least sa
fe time and places. Read rush hour, night, rain,=0Awith no shoulder. (Avoid
this type of towing.)- Since I have been using=0Aload range E tires this
problem is way less frequent.=0A=0AA bunch of the South Florida boat trail
er builders who make trailers for=0Areally big trailer boats (read four 350
hp outboard motors), and the local=0Aboat trailer shops who service these
trailers automatically go with load=0Arange E passenger truck tires. They c
laim that after the national=0Aheadlines on Firestone tire failures and For
d Explorer rollovers a decade=0Aor more ago, passenger truck tire regulatio
n and quality control went way=0Aup but cheap imported trailer tires are st
ill @%$#!=0A=0AI guess the last serious lesson "learnt" was when i purchase
d our first=0Aconversion van with big block Chevy engine. The power was gre
at, loved it.=0AThe vehicle was rated for higher towing weights than I was
towing BUT the=0Aoverhang between rear axle and hitch ball was pretty long
creating a long=0Alever arm and the fishtail tendency was amazing, (read sc
ared the heck out=0Aof me). A quality Load leveler hitch and anti sway bars
could not correct=0Athis problem. Sold it.=0A=0ASubsequently I have done t
est drives with a lot of small to medium RVs=0Awith my trailers in tow, and
found most to be marginal tow vehicles due to=0Apoor physics (read short w
heel base and long rear overhangs). The 190=0Aseries Roadtreks on 3500 Chev
y Express Van chassis handle well and have=0Along wheel bases plus SHORT re
ar overhangs (good physics for towing).=0A=0AI guess there is one more less
on learned. Not everyone was born to tow a=0Atrailer. My wife is a truly sm
art lady. She manages psychiatrists for a=0Aliving.- However, after some
run ins with trailer fenders, mail boxes and=0Athe like we have established
a differentiation of duties which works well=0Afor all involved regarding
towing. The universe is now back in harmony.=0A=0ABj Kitfox IV 912=0A2004 R
oadtrek 190=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A> --> Kitfox-List message
posted by: Allan Aaron <aaaron@tvp.com.au>=0A>=0A> I've always wanted to d
o that.....- Would be great to hear you lessons=0A> learnt.....=0A> Allan
share some of my tricks with others who may be doing the same or=0A> who h
ave wondered how practical it might be, and of course look forward to=0A> p
icking up new tricks from others as well.=0A>=0A> BJ=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Lowell,
Thanks for the offer/suggestion. It is a Wonderful idea in so many ways!
The number of folks who do long cross country touring with their Kitfox
style folding wing planes, trailered behind their motorhomes or big SUVs
is probably pretty small, at least at this point. Now that specially
designed trailers are bring offered inexpensively, and a few of us are
seeing how much fun it is and how inexpensive it is (in aviation terms),
plus now that light sport rules have opened a new world up for us old
aviators, we may see it grow.
By posting your message and offering yourself as a willing host to our
online Kitfox community the door has been opened.
As an aside, you may get a kick out of this "Walmart Made Me Do It" story.
I had not thought seriously about taking a plane with me while touring in
a motorhome, HOWEVER. We lost our local airport off of Cheaspeake Bay in
Maryland to development (Walmart), and at the same time I could not get
hanger space near our second home in the Florida Keys. So the turbo twin
got shoved into a distant hanger and I bought the Kitfox and an enclosed
trailer. Of course the trailer serves as a hanger, shop, tool and spare
parts facility. While moving the plane and mobile hanger between Md and Fl
seasonally I began stopping and flying at neat spots, down low and slow
where I could really enjoy the scenery. As time went on I got my act down
pretty pat in packing the plane safely for trailering, and easily getting
it in and out of the trailer to play with. Since then we have enjoyed
flying all over the country, down low and slow, which is amazing fun. And
I have Walmart to thank for creating the situation that led up to so much
fun. So "Walmart Made Me Do It". Funny how things turn out.
I have put a reference to your offer in my Power Point forum presentation
on "Touring the USA by Chevrolet and LSA" for Sun N Fun, Sebring and
Copper State.
Thanks
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
Roadtrek 190 Popular
>
> bj,
> Trailering would probably not be on my personal agenda, but I wonder how
> many of us would like hosting some kitfoxers who do. I live in a
> residential airpark and would enjoy travelers to drop by.
> Lowell
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:22 AM
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots
>
>>
>> BJ,
>> Great report. Thank you. It sounds like you use an enclosed trailer. Is
>> that correct? Any photos of your set up? Is your trailer single or
>> double axle? Do you put your plane on the trailer facing rear or
>> forward?
>> Do you secure the prop so it won't freewheel (if on an open trailer)?
>>
>> --------
>> Steve Wilson
>> Huntsville, UT
>> Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
>> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
>> Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415312#415312
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Lowell,
Thanks for the offer/suggestion. It is a Wonderful idea in so many ways!
The number of folks who do long cross country touring with their Kitfox
style folding wing planes, trailered behind their motorhomes or big SUVs
is probably pretty small, at least at this point. Now that specially
designed trailers are bring offered inexpensively, and a few of us are
seeing how much fun it is and how inexpensive it is (in aviation terms),
plus now that light sport rules have opened a new world up for us old
aviators, we may see it grow.
By posting your message and offering yourself as a willing host to our
online Kitfox community the door has been opened.
As an aside, you may get a kick out of this "Walmart Made Me Do It" story.
I had not thought seriously about taking a plane with me while touring in
a motorhome, HOWEVER. We lost our local airport off of Cheaspeake Bay in
Maryland to development (Walmart), and at the same time I could not get
hanger space near our second home in the Florida Keys. So the turbo twin
got shoved into a distant hanger and I bought the Kitfox and an enclosed
trailer. Of course the trailer serves as a hanger, shop, tool and spare
parts facility. While moving the plane and mobile hanger between Md and Fl
seasonally I began stopping and flying at neat spots, down low and slow
where I could really enjoy the scenery. As time went on I got my act down
pretty pat in packing the plane safely for trailering, and easily getting
it in and out of the trailer to play with. Since then we have enjoyed
flying all over the country, down low and slow, which is amazing fun. And
I have Walmart to thank for creating the situation that led up to so much
fun. So "Walmart Made Me Do It". Funny how things turn out.
I have put a reference to your offer in my Power Point forum presentation
on "Touring the USA by Chevrolet and LSA" for Sun N Fun, Sebring and
Copper State.
Thanks
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
Roadtrek 190 Popular
>
> bj,
> Trailering would probably not be on my personal agenda, but I wonder how
> many of us would like hosting some kitfoxers who do. I live in a
> residential airpark and would enjoy travelers to drop by.
> Lowell
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "SkySteve" <Wilson@REinfo.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:22 AM
> To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots
>
>>
>> BJ,
>> Great report. Thank you. It sounds like you use an enclosed trailer. Is
>> that correct? Any photos of your set up? Is your trailer single or
>> double axle? Do you put your plane on the trailer facing rear or
>> forward?
>> Do you secure the prop so it won't freewheel (if on an open trailer)?
>>
>> --------
>> Steve Wilson
>> Huntsville, UT
>> Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
>> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
>> Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415312#415312
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
I ran across a couple of photos from a flight out of Mustang Beach airport
south of Corpus Christi from several years ago.
Kitfox on beach, shrimper wreck, light house, row of out of focus
intra-coastal islands, motorhome and plane's trailer on the beach.
If the link below works i'll try to get some more photos loaded.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
Roadtrek 190 Popular
http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/media/Kitfox%20beach/TripGulfCoast2010042.jpg.html
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Yes BJ, it works, post more!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com
Sent: Wednesday, 11 December, 2013 19:06
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots
I ran across a couple of photos from a flight out of Mustang Beach airport
south of Corpus Christi from several years ago.
Kitfox on beach, shrimper wreck, light house, row of out of focus
intra-coastal islands, motorhome and plane's trailer on the beach.
If the link below works i'll try to get some more photos loaded.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
Roadtrek 190 Popular
http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/media/Kitfox%20beach/TripGulfCoast20
10042.jpg.html
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Marco, Do you think that a different tire weight would cause a veering
problem? It would be my guess that something is rubbing or binding that
wheel or toe in or out. Glad to hear someone was successful "with
exploding" tires on to a rim. I have seen video's of it, but never tried it
myself.
Pat Reilly
Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
Rockford, IL
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Ron L <rliebmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> Here is a trick I learned way back for getting tires to reseat the
> bead: With the tire on the wheel, take a 1=94 or 2=94 wide jacking tie
down
> strap and wrap it around the tire down its center line. Then tighten the
> strap by jacking it until the bead is tight to the wheel. Then put air in
to
> it through the stem. You will hear the pop when it seats tight.
> I use this method on golf cart wheel changes as well as my Model 2 Fox.
>
> Ron #336
>
> *From:* Marco Menezes <msm_9949@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:22 AM
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
>
> Yep. We are planted here for life, Patrick. Flying season is over for
> me. I had an issue this past season thhough, after mounting new Kingfox
> tires.,The airplane was frequently yawing to the left on touchdown
> resulting in a number of "excursions" into the grass (always to the left)
.
> Been thinking about why.
>
> While swapping out the tires, I couldn't get the bead to reseat on the
> left one so took it to a tire store. I've since learned that they used
> "alot" of bead seating compound to get the job done. I've concluded that
I
> didn't suddenly forget how to land a taildragger, rather that the main ge
ar
> has likely become unbalanced due to a ton of goo slapping around in the
> left tire. I'll have to remove the tire again, clean it out and remount
> reseating the bead myself useing Dave's you-tube "explosion" method. Trie
d
> that with a trailer tire last Summer and it works pretty slick. Stay tune
d!
>
> Marco Menezes N99KX
> Kitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch
> Hersey, MI
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>
> *To:* kitfox-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, December 9, 2013 4:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List?
>
> Marco, Good to hear your still here. Here in MI still?
>
> Pat Reilly
> Mod 3 582 Rebuilt
> Rockford, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
On 12/11/2013 8:53 AM, Marco Menezes wrote:
> What are the rules regarding flying low and slow over the National
> parks? Approaching retirement and this sounds like great fun.
Rules? How about:
* A flat grey paint job.
* 2" N numbers placed judiciously above the horizontal stabilizer.
* A mask.
* A landing strip hidden amongst tall trees.
;-)
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
I tried that method Ron but the rubber on those Kingfox tires is so thin, w
hen you tighten the strap it just folds over. I got frustrated and took it
to the tire store. If you haven't seen Dave's video on how to seat a tire w
ith starter fluid and a propane torch, check it out. Sounds crazy but it wo
rks!=0A=0A=0AMarco Menezes =0AN99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch=0AHer
sey, MI=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ron L <rliebmann@
comcast.net>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, December 1
1, 2013 11:44 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to this Kifox List
?=0A =0A=0A=0AHere is a trick I learned way back for getting tires to resea
t =0Athe bead:=C2-=C2- With the tire on the wheel, take a 1=9D or
2=9D=C2- wide =0Ajacking tie down strap and wrap it around the tir
e down its center line.=C2- =0AThen tighten the strap by jacking it until
the bead is tight to the wheel. Then =0Aput air into it through the stem.
You will hear the pop when it seats =0Atight.=C2- =0AI use this method on
golf cart wheel changes as well as my =0AModel 2 Fox.=0A=C2-=0ARon=C2-
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pen to this Kifox =0AList?=0A=C2- Yep. =0AWe are planted here for life, P
atrick. Flying season is over for me. I had an =0Aissue this past season th
hough, after mounting new Kingfox tires.,The airplane =0Awas frequently yaw
ing to the left on touchdown resulting in a number of =0A"excursions" into
the grass (always to the left).=C2- Been thinking about =0Awhy.=0A=0AWhil
e swapping out the tires, I couldn't get the bead to reseat on =0Athe left
one so took it to a tire store. I've since learned that they used =0A"alot"
of bead seating compound to get the job done.=C2- I've concluded that I
=0Adidn't suddenly forget how to land a taildragger, rather that the main g
ear has =0Alikely become unbalanced due to a ton of goo slapping around in
the left tire. =0AI'll have to remove the tire again, clean it out and remo
unt=C2- reseating the =0Abead myself useing Dave's you-tube "explosion" m
ethod. Tried that with a trailer =0Atire last Summer and it works pretty sl
ick. Stay tuned!=0A=0AMarco Menezes =0AN99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clu
tch=0AHersey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Pa
trick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASen
t: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:56 =0APM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: =0AWhat
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| Subject: | Flight Lake Powell |
A couple photos from a flight around Lake Powell about a month ago
Hope the picture of the chopper on Tower Butte "airport" was included
http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/library/
BJ
Kitfox IV
Roadtrek 190
>
> Yes BJ, it works, post more!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> bjones@dmv.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 December, 2013 19:06
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular
> spots
>
>
> I ran across a couple of photos from a flight out of Mustang Beach airport
> south of Corpus Christi from several years ago.
>
> Kitfox on beach, shrimper wreck, light house, row of out of focus
> intra-coastal islands, motorhome and plane's trailer on the beach.
>
> If the link below works i'll try to get some more photos loaded.
>
> BJ
> Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
> Roadtrek 190 Popular
>
> http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/media/Kitfox%20beach/TripGulfCoast20
> 10042.jpg.html
>
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| Subject: | Re: What Happen to this Kifox List? |
Pat,=0A=0AIn seven years flying this airplane, I've never experienced issue
s that might be attributed to toe-in/out misalignment of the main gear. Plu
s I don't think the alignment would have changed simply because of new tire
s. I can detect no rubbing or binding on the left side that would cause the
airplane to veer on roll-out. Also, it doesn't happen every time but frequ
ently enough (and always to the left) so that I'm thinking it's a goo-induc
ed imbalance. Anyway I'm gonna clear that stuff outta there and see what ha
ppens.=0A=0AMarco Menezes =0AN99KX=0AKitfox II 582-90 C-Box w/clutch=0AHers
ey, MI=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Patrick Reil
ly <patreilly43@gmail.com>=0ATo: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesd
ay, December 11, 2013 1:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kitfox-List: What Happen to th
is Kifox List?=0A =0A=0A=0AMarco, Do you think that a different tire weight
would cause a veering problem? It would be my guess that something is rubb
ing or binding that wheel or toe in or out.=C2-Glad to hear someone was s
uccessful "with exploding" tires on to a rim. I have seen video's of it, bu
t never tried it myself.=0A=0APat Reilly=0AMod 3 582 Rebuilt=0ARockford, IL
=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Ron L <rliebmann@comcast.net>
wrote:=0A=0AHere is a trick I learned way back for getting tires to reseat
=0Athe bead:=C2-=C2- With the tire on the wheel, take a 1=9D or
2=9D=C2- wide =0Ajacking tie down strap and wrap it around the tire
down its center line.=C2- =0AThen tighten the strap by jacking it until
the bead is tight to the wheel. Then =0Aput air into it through the stem. Y
ou will hear the pop when it seats =0Atight.=C2- =0A>I use this method on
golf cart wheel changes as well as my =0AModel 2 Fox.=0A>=C2-=0A>Ron=C2
- #336=C2-=0A>From: Marco Menezes =0A>Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 201
3 10:22 AM=0A>To: kitfox-list@matronics.com =0A>Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: W
hat Happen to this Kifox =0AList?=0A>=C2- Yep. =0AWe are planted here for
life, Patrick. Flying season is over for me. I had an =0Aissue this past s
eason thhough, after mounting new Kingfox tires.,The airplane =0Awas freque
ntly yawing to the left on touchdown resulting in a number of =0A"excursion
s" into the grass (always to the left).=C2- Been thinking about =0Awhy.
=0A>=0A>While swapping out the tires, I couldn't get the bead to reseat on
=0Athe left one so took it to a tire store. I've since learned that they us
ed =0A"alot" of bead seating compound to get the job done.=C2- I've concl
uded that I =0Adidn't suddenly forget how to land a taildragger, rather tha
t the main gear has =0Alikely become unbalanced due to a ton of goo slappin
g around in the left tire. =0AI'll have to remove the tire again, clean it
out and remount=C2- reseating the =0Abead myself useing Dave's you-tube "
explosion" method. Tried that with a trailer =0Atire last Summer and it wor
ks pretty slick. Stay tuned!=0A>=0A>Marco Menezes =0AN99KX=0A>Kitfox II 582
-90 C-Box w/clutch=0A>Hersey, MI=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>_______________________
_________=0A> From: Patrick Reilly <patreilly43@gmail.com>=0A>To: kitfox-li
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Re: Kitfox-List: =0AWhat Happen to this Kifox List?=0A>=0A>=C2-=0A>Marco,
Good to hear your still here. Here in MI still?=0A>=C2-=0A>Pat Reilly=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Lake Powell |
Sacha,
The photo over the nose of what looks like a ragged little dirt path right
under the planes nose is actually an old BLM gravel strip up the lake that
ends at a massive drop off at the far end
The density altitude on Tower Butte where the chopper is in one of the
photos dissuaded me from trying a landing there but I think it "might" be
doable.
BJ
>
> A couple photos from a flight around Lake Powell about a month ago
> Hope the picture of the chopper on Tower Butte "airport" was included
>
> http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/library/
>
> BJ
> Kitfox IV
> Roadtrek 190
>
>>
>> Yes BJ, it works, post more!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> bjones@dmv.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 December, 2013 19:06
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular
>> spots
>>
>>
>> I ran across a couple of photos from a flight out of Mustang Beach
>> airport
>> south of Corpus Christi from several years ago.
>>
>> Kitfox on beach, shrimper wreck, light house, row of out of focus
>> intra-coastal islands, motorhome and plane's trailer on the beach.
>>
>> If the link below works i'll try to get some more photos loaded.
>>
>> BJ
>> Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
>> Roadtrek 190 Popular
>>
>> http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/media/Kitfox%20beach/TripGulfCoast20
>> 10042.jpg.html
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Lake Powell |
Truly spectacular locations! Thanks for sharing that! Always wanted to do another
US road trip after doing bits of Route 66.... This is definitely the way
to go!
On Dec 11, 2013, at 20:40, bjones@dmv.com wrote:
> The photo over the nose of what looks like a ragged little dirt path right
> under the planes nose is actually an old BLM gravel strip up the lake that
> ends at a massive drop off at the far end
>
> The density altitude on Tower Butte where the chopper is in one of the
> photos dissuaded me from trying a landing there but I think it "might" be
> doable.
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| Subject: | Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox |
I am learning Photo Bucket and some of these are repeat photos, others are
new and some that I sent earlier were dropped.
Some explanatory captions have been added to these so you know what you
are looking at or why I selected them
Hope it works and folks get a kick out of them. BY GOLLY I sure have had
FUN flying along and taking them.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive, towed in an enclosed trailer
behind a Roadtrek 190 Popular conversion van style motorhome
http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/N154K/media/DSC00581.jpg.html
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| Subject: | Heavy right wing |
Well, if you ever wander way back east near KRMN, I am at Dogwood Airpark
(VA42) just 2.5 miles from KRMN. Drop in and visit.
Mike
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heavy right wing
Well, I would. But no, the farthest east I've been with my Fox is Ft. Worth.
I'm pretty sure he really meant KRNM, which is Ramona, CA.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
On 12/10/2013 2:34 PM, Mike Logan wrote:
Guy,
Do you commute all the way from California to Stafford, Virginia to fly? Or
did Sacha mis-type the airport designator?
Mike Logan
VA42, 2.5 miles from KRMN in Stafford, VA
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[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Guy Buchanan
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Heavy right wing
On 12/10/2013 12:02 AM, Sacha wrote:
PS. Guy, just noticed you're in KRMN. I did my PPL in KSEE in 2011. Was
hoping to return there sometime next year to do some more flying, if I do
I'll try and look you up if that's ok.
Do that. If you come late enough next year I'll be flying too! Otherwise I
can take you for a glider flight.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
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| Subject: | Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox |
BJ,
Great photos! Thanks for sharing your adventures. You are sure livin' the life.
Tell us more about your trailer. It looks sweet.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Lake Powell |
The BLM strip is our kind of place. Bet you could land a Kitfox on the heli rock
if it's as flat as it looks.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering Kitfox and flying spectacular spots |
Guy,
Yes, I like your style. I have 3" letters, above the horizontal stabilizer that
run vertical, not horizontal!
BJ,
Nice photos, especially the beach landing. I've landed on the shore (beach?) of
the Great Salt Lake, but never the actual ocean beach. In fact, we play regularly
on the mud flats and islands of the Great Salt Lake. Gotta watch those mud
flats though, one day they are dry, the next they want to suck you in and eat
you.
--------
Steve Wilson
Huntsville, UT
Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415426#415426
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| Subject: | Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox |
Steve,
I thought I sent this post below this one but did not see it come in at my
end so i am sending it again.
When I figure out how to segregate photos by topic on Photo Bucket, i'll
try to post a set of trailer specific pictures with details of key trailer
considerations - there are a bunch
When I happened to display the plane, trailer and motorhome set-up at
Page, Az for their wings and wheels event, there were a ton of kids. It
did my heart good to see so many kids fawn over the plane and pictures
that I had on display. Many went completely a binder of 8 X 10 glossy
photos from flights, touched or petted the cowl of the plane and hugged on
the prop. One little guy was extremely excited, pointing all sorts of
things out to his parents and dragging them all around the plane. I
mentioned to the parents, "It looks like you folks have a budding pilot"
and they said Oh Yeah! His nick name is already ACE. I was reluctant to
have the plane in the crowd area but changed my mind after so many kids
seemed to be enthralled.
Steve,
I use an enclosed trailer. The idea of having the plane exposed while
traveling cross country and touring invites problems, kids, road debris,
etc.
Our place in the Florida Keys is an astonishingly corrosive environment
and a typical T hanger rents for $6,000 per year so the trailer also
serves as a hanger for me, which saves lots of money and protects the
plane. A new enclosed trailer for a Kitfox can be had for about $5,500, -
see Barnstormers.
I have loaded the plane both ways in different trailers, currently loading
tail first with the tail wheel on a small (read cheap) flat trailer. I set
it up this way originally to get the best towing weight balance for this
particular enclosed trailer.
However, when the wings are folded The plane is very easy to move, even on
lose gravel with the "large" tail wheel trailer tires. The tail is
elevated on the little trailer of course, so the wings fold and unfold
easy with no down and back force. Wings swing with two fingers. Gas does
not run out of gas caps if the tanks are near full. The tongue of the tail
wheel trailer has a bar extending across it about a foot on each side to
hold onto while moving the plane - works great.
The tongue of the small trailer clamps on a hitch ball mounted to the
front frame of the enclosed trailer so it is locked in position while
bouncing down the road. The plane's tail wheel is pinned into a socket so
it can't move either. And since I siphon gas out of the wings before going
out on the road for long distances or on rough roads, the wing tanks are
about at the perfect angle for siphoning when the tail of the plane is up
on the trailer. I swing one wing, start the siphon on that side while
swinging the other wing, then siphon the second side while installing the
wing support struts.
This sounds time consuming but I can pull the plane out of the enclosed
trailer, tow it thru the back gate of the nearby airport, swing the wings
into position and be ready to fly in 12 minutes make it 15 if I need to
add gas.
The prop with a 912 does not rotate while towing.
I know I gotta get some pictures up.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
<Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> BJ,
> Great photos! Thanks for sharing your adventures. You are sure livin' the
> life. Tell us more about your trailer. It looks sweet.
>
> --------
> Steve Wilson
> Huntsville, UT
> Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
> Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415421#415421
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Lake Powell |
I like the one of the Kitfox, and the one of the toy box.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded
Now a glider pilot, too.
On 12/11/2013 11:25 AM, bjones@dmv.com wrote:
> --> Kitfox-List message posted by: bjones@dmv.com
>
> A couple photos from a flight around Lake Powell about a month ago
> Hope the picture of the chopper on Tower Butte "airport" was included
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox |
Great pictures and great idea. Where did you get the trailer and does it
have a brand name and model?
Thanks, Jim
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From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bjones@dmv.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Lake Powell & Fl Keys by Kitfox
Steve,
I thought I sent this post below this one but did not see it come in at my
end so i am sending it again.
When I figure out how to segregate photos by topic on Photo Bucket, i'll try
to post a set of trailer specific pictures with details of key trailer
considerations - there are a bunch
When I happened to display the plane, trailer and motorhome set-up at Page,
Az for their wings and wheels event, there were a ton of kids. It did my
heart good to see so many kids fawn over the plane and pictures that I had
on display. Many went completely a binder of 8 X 10 glossy photos from
flights, touched or petted the cowl of the plane and hugged on the prop. One
little guy was extremely excited, pointing all sorts of things out to his
parents and dragging them all around the plane. I mentioned to the parents,
"It looks like you folks have a budding pilot"
and they said Oh Yeah! His nick name is already ACE. I was reluctant to have
the plane in the crowd area but changed my mind after so many kids seemed to
be enthralled.
Steve,
I use an enclosed trailer. The idea of having the plane exposed while
traveling cross country and touring invites problems, kids, road debris,
etc.
Our place in the Florida Keys is an astonishingly corrosive environment and
a typical T hanger rents for $6,000 per year so the trailer also serves as a
hanger for me, which saves lots of money and protects the plane. A new
enclosed trailer for a Kitfox can be had for about $5,500, - see
Barnstormers.
I have loaded the plane both ways in different trailers, currently loading
tail first with the tail wheel on a small (read cheap) flat trailer. I set
it up this way originally to get the best towing weight balance for this
particular enclosed trailer.
However, when the wings are folded The plane is very easy to move, even on
lose gravel with the "large" tail wheel trailer tires. The tail is elevated
on the little trailer of course, so the wings fold and unfold easy with no
down and back force. Wings swing with two fingers. Gas does not run out of
gas caps if the tanks are near full. The tongue of the tail wheel trailer
has a bar extending across it about a foot on each side to hold onto while
moving the plane - works great.
The tongue of the small trailer clamps on a hitch ball mounted to the front
frame of the enclosed trailer so it is locked in position while bouncing
down the road. The plane's tail wheel is pinned into a socket so it can't
move either. And since I siphon gas out of the wings before going out on the
road for long distances or on rough roads, the wing tanks are about at the
perfect angle for siphoning when the tail of the plane is up on the trailer.
I swing one wing, start the siphon on that side while swinging the other
wing, then siphon the second side while installing the wing support struts.
This sounds time consuming but I can pull the plane out of the enclosed
trailer, tow it thru the back gate of the nearby airport, swing the wings
into position and be ready to fly in 12 minutes make it 15 if I need to add
gas.
The prop with a 912 does not rotate while towing.
I know I gotta get some pictures up.
BJ
Kitfox IV 912 Warp Drive
<Wilson@REinfo.org>
>
> BJ,
> Great photos! Thanks for sharing your adventures. You are sure livin'
> the life. Tell us more about your trailer. It looks sweet.
>
> --------
> Steve Wilson
> Huntsville, UT
> Kitfox Model 1- 85DD
> 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive
> Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415421#415421
>
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