---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/03/15: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Hard Landing (Catz631@aol.com) 2. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Hard Landing (Lowell Fitt) 3. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Hard Landing (Harry Cieslar) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Hard Landing (Roger Standley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:50 AM PST US From: Catz631@aol.com Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing Or you could go with the "bush gear" as I have on my aircraft. Gear spread goes from 4 ft to 7 ft and you achieve greater stability on the ground as well as in the air on final (outrigger effect) PLUS the gear weight is about the same as the original. In my case, I weighed each of the pieces before mounting the gear as well as weighing the original gear and I actually came out a couple of lbs lighter with the "bush gear" I am EXTREMELY happy with the "bush gear" ! It requires no maintenance (no bungees) and was easy to install. Have had it installed for a few years now. Dick Maddux Fox 4 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing From: Lowell Fitt Yes in the good old days. My guess is Grove got tired of the free bend fixes, now they have switched to 7075 T6 alloy. It is a much tougher alloy and with exactly what ramifications, who knows. There is no question, though, that the early Kitfox airframe is not real robust where the landing gear attaches. Maybe that is why the early bungee gear had such a poor reputation for folding up in ground loops. Fix the droop tip and a new gear - not nearly the challenge of a lower fuselage rebuild. Lowell On May 2, 2015 10:45 PM, "Guy Buchanan" wrote: > Personally I never liked the way the Grove gear handled on the ground. > When my gear's bottomed out it's very stiff. The Grove gear always kind o f > wandered and the wings rocked a lot more and everything seemed "looser". I > guess I always liked the more positive feel of the tube gear. I do conced e, > though, that the Grove gear can withstand an *amazing *amount of abuse. > Worst case is that you bend it. Then you send it in and they bend it back > for you. Very convenient. > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded > Now a glider pilot, too. > > > On 5/2/2015 4:54 PM, "Jos=C3=A9 M. Toro" wrote: > = > > There is a significant difference in the weight of the Grove landing gear vs the original one. This was my experience... > > Jos=C3=A9 > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 2, 2015, at 9:57 AM, SkySteve wrote: > @REinfo.org> > > John, I saw your plane yesterday. It's looking real good. You really shou ld put the Grove gear on it. It makes a world of difference. I put it on my plane and love it. > > -------- > Steve Wilson > Huntsville, UT > Kitfox Model 1- 85DD > 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive > Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel > > > Read this topic online here: > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441615#441615 > > > * > =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:32 AM PST US From: Harry Cieslar Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing Have not wrote in for years. Can I use my wheels on the bush gear? Harry Cieslar, Avid Magnum, Ontario, Canada From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing Personally I never liked the way the Grove gear handled on the ground. When my gear's bottomed out it's very stiff. The Grove gear always kind of wandered and the wings rocked a lot more and everything seemed "looser". I guess I always liked the more positive feel of the tube gear. I do concede, though, that the Grove gear can withstand an amazing amount of abuse. Worst case is that you bend it. Then you send it in and they bend it back for you. Very convenient. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. On 5/2/2015 4:54 PM, "Jos=C3=A9 M. Toro" wrote: ?= mailto:jose_m_toro@yahoo.com There is a significant difference in the weight of the Grove landing gear vs the original one. This was my experience... Jos=C3=A9 Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2015, at 9:57 AM, SkySteve mailto:Wilson@REinfo.org wrote: John, I saw your plane yesterday. It's looking real good. You really should put the Grove gear on it. It makes a world of difference. I put it on my plane and love it. -------- Steve Wilson Huntsville, UT Kitfox Model 1- 85DD 912A / 3 Blade Warp Drive Convertible Nosewheel & Tailwheel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441615#441615 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:12 AM PST US From: Roger Standley Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing I agree with most of what has been said. I really like my Grove gear. But f or those enthusiasts who want the look and feel of the classic Kitfox exper ience=2C I have unused Model 4 bungee landing gear that I put on Barnstorme rs. Respond direct on this list for a better deal. I also have available an unused Twin Pin Door Latch kit. Yup=2C it must be Spring. Time to straight en up the hangar! Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Hard Landing From: lcfitt3@gmail.com Yes in the good old days. My guess is Grove got tired of the free bend fix es=2C now they have switched to 7075 T6 alloy. It is a much tougher alloy and with exactly what ramifications=2C who knows. There is no question=2C though=2C that the early Kitfox airframe is not real robust where the landi ng gear attaches. Maybe that is why the early bungee gear had such a poor reputation for folding up in ground loops. Fix the droop tip and a new ge ar - not nearly the challenge of a lower fuselage rebuild. Lowell On May 2=2C 2015 10:45 PM=2C "Guy Buchanan" wrote: Personally I never liked the way the Grove gear handled on the ground. When my gear's bottomed out it's very stiff. The Grove gear always kind of wandered and the wings rocked a lot more and everything seemed "looser". I guess I always liked the more positive feel of the tube gear. I do concede=2C though=2C that the Grove gear can withstand an amazing amount of abuse. Worst case is that you bend it. Then you send it in and they bend it back for you. Very convenient. Guy Buchanan Ramona=2C CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot=2C too. On 5/2/2015 4:54 PM=2C "Jos=E9 M. Toro" wrote: o" ?= There is a significant difference in the weight of the Grove landing gear v s the original one. This was my experience... Jos=E9 Sent from my iPhone On May 2=2C 2015=2C at 9:57 AM=2C SkySteve wrot e: John=2C I saw your plane yesterday. It's looking real good. You really shou ld put the Grove gear on it. It makes a world of difference. 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