---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/27/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:39 AM - Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (Guy Buchanan) 2. 09:41 AM - Re: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (Lowell Fitt) 3. 10:08 AM - Re: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (Guy Buchanan) 4. 10:09 AM - Re: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 5. 10:19 AM - Repairs (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 6. 10:22 AM - Re: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (kerrjohna@comcast.net) 7. 02:28 PM - Re: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities (Brian Leach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:28 AM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least Lowell knows the answer to these difficult questions: * How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightly, but realistically only a little.) * Where's the best place to get it? * How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know if there's a cool replacement out.) * Where's the best place to get it? Thanks all! Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:27 AM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities I just received a case of Aeroshell Sport Plus from Aircraft Spruce. It was back ordered and took about a month to get here - About $119 plus shipping for 12 quarts. It seems highly recommended by the Rotax community and is reported to be formulated specifically with the Rotax 912 series in mind and to help with the lead scavenging needed when running 100LL Mark uses a Honda motorcycle oil with the gear additive. The gear additive is the prime ingredient as some motorcycles use the engine oil to lubricate the transmission as well which is the common factor. As for as the coolant. I think the main issue here is to use a coolant that is Silicate free. As far as the Evan's coolant is concerned, I am personally not a fan at least as far as our application goes. Some Rotax installations have cooling problems and require a water free coolant to prevent boiling with the high temps they frequently see. I just checked the current Service Bulletin and that is the implication there. In our Kitfox installations, that is not a problem. I was talking yesterday to a friend with a Model IV and 912S and he is talking about a thermostat because on a recent cross country flight he saw cylinderr head temps as low as 105 degrees (Far from the need of a waterless coolant as Rotax describes them). I personally use Prestone Extended Life. Not because I think it is the best necessarily, but rather it was convenient and meets the specs as I understand them. Lowell From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:38 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least Lowell knows the answer to these difficult questions: a.. How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightly, but realistically only a little.) b.. Where's the best place to get it? c.. How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know if there's a cool replacement out.) d.. Where's the best place to get it? Thanks all! Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities From: Guy Buchanan Lowell, Thanks for the reply. How much of each for a full change? Guy Sent from my iPod > On May 27, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote: > > I just received a case of Aeroshell Sport Plus from Aircraft Spruce. It w as back ordered and took about a month to get here - About $119 plus shippin g for 12 quarts. It seems highly recommended by the Rotax community and is r eported to be formulated specifically with the Rotax 912 series in mind and to help with the lead scavenging needed when running 100LL Mark uses a Hon da motorcycle oil with the gear additive. The gear additive is the prime in gredient as some motorcycles use the engine oil to lubricate the transmissio n as well which is the common factor. > > As for as the coolant. I think the main issue here is to use a coolant th at is Silicate free. As far as the Evan's coolant is concerned, I am person ally not a fan at least as far as our application goes. Some Rotax installa tions have cooling problems and require a water free coolant to prevent boil ing with the high temps they frequently see. I just checked the current Ser vice Bulletin and that is the implication there. In our Kitfox installation s, that is not a problem. I was talking yesterday to a friend with a Model I V and 912S and he is talking about a thermostat because on a recent cross co untry flight he saw cylinderr head temps as low as 105 degrees (Far from the need of a waterless coolant as Rotax describes them). I personally use Pres tone Extended Life. Not because I think it is the best necessarily, but rat her it was convenient and meets the specs as I understand them. > > Lowell > > > From: Guy Buchanan > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:38 AM > To: Kitfox list > Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities > > Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least L owell knows the answer to these difficult questions: > How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightly, bu t realistically only a little.) > Where's the best place to get it? > How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know i f there's a cool replacement out.) > Where's the best place to get it? > Thanks all! > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded > Now a glider pilot, too. > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:17 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities My memory is not always accurate, sometimes remember things that didn't hap pen.=C2- But, it seems the evans coolant was removed from the approved li st about a year ago because of unsatisfactory results in the field. =C2- As for oil.=C2- There is a list of approved oils which is updated periodi cally, probably on the rotax site.=C2- The basic theme is motorcycle 4 cy cle oil with gear additive.=C2- Mobil 1 gets high marks if less than 10% use of 100LL. =C2- Anyone else have similar recollections. =C2- John Kerr Logan UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:38:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least L owell knows the answer to these difficult questions: * How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightl y, but realistically only a little.) * Where's the best place to get it? * How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know if there's a cool replacement out.) * Where's the best place to get it? Thanks all! Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. === ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:58 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Kitfox-List: Repairs Updating the repair status on N195KF: Welding complete.=C2- Spring Gear b ack order 13 weeks, Purchased tube gear from Roger Standley of the list for back up; thank you Roger. Last coat of polyspray applied this morning, will start on the polytone tom orrow anticipating a week or so of spraying, masking and color trim. =C2- The big delay will no be the fiberglass work.=C2- A bid to repair the thr ee lower pieces was $1350, slightly more than total replacement of all five pieces of the round cowl and radiator shroud.=C2- And almost double what MacBeans need for the three lower pieces.=C2- As an aside, they have bee n very supportive of=C2-the repair efforts.=C2- Will probably try repai r on my own with some local support to see if acceptable examples can be co mpleted.=C2- My glass experience includes farings for the windscreen on R V9 and light weight skin of mahogany ply kayak. =C2- Will keep you posted. =C2- John Kerr Logan UT ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:06 AM PST US From: kerrjohna@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Oil quantity?=C2- I find the 3 quarts usually blows off some excess, thou gh I understand later tanks might be slightly larger.=C2- Proceed with me asured care. =C2- John Kerr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:38:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least L owell knows the answer to these difficult questions: * How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightl y, but realistically only a little.) * Where's the best place to get it? * How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know if there's a cool replacement out.) * Where's the best place to get it? Thanks all! Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. === ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:03 PM PST US From: "Brian Leach" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities As others have said I think Rotax removed Evans coolant from the approved list. Our New Zealand Rotax agent recommends Aeroshell Sport Plus 4 oil and Castrol Radicool 50/50 coolant. The ratio of water will depend entirely on how cold it gets at your place. Quantities are about 3 litres of oil and the same of coolant but will depend on your type of oil cooler and installation etc. It is very difficult to see how much oil you have actually got in the tank. The small dipstick hole gets oil coated in it and new oil is almost invisable. After you add oil to the tank let it drain for several minutes before checking the level and spray your dipstick with mat black paint. After you are sure how much oil is in the tank clean the paint off again. Follow the Rotax proceedure for putting 5 psi of air pressure in the oil tank to initially prime the oil system. The whole system holds a lot of oil and you need to top up the tank when priming. And don't forget to check the valve lifters. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Guy Buchanan" To: "Kitfox list" Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:38:32 AM Subject: Kitfox-List: Kitfox IV / 912 Oil and water quantities Here's an easy one. My 912's almost ready for start and I'm sure at least Lowell knows the answer to these difficult questions: a.. How much of what kind of oil? (I realize installs will differ slightly, but realistically only a little.) b.. Where's the best place to get it? c.. How much of what kind of coolant? (Pretty sure it's Evan's but don't know if there's a cool replacement out.) d.. Where's the best place to get it? Thanks all! Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.