---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/16/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: Back in the Air Again (Lowell Fitt) 2. 02:52 PM - Trailer for sale (John Wighton) 3. 04:08 PM - Problems, problems (Guy Buchanan) 4. 04:32 PM - Re: Problems, problems (Rick Weiss) 5. 04:34 PM - Re: Problems, problems (Rick Weiss) 6. 04:57 PM - Re: Problems, problems (Guy Buchanan) 7. 05:55 PM - Re: Problems, problems (poasttown@yahoo.com) 8. 06:41 PM - Re: Problems, problems (bjones@dmv.com) 9. 09:07 PM - Re: Problems, problems (Lowell Fitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Back in the Air Again From: Lowell Fitt Guy, Great news. Wish I was on the way there as well. Family reunion interfering with timing. Have a great flight. Lowell On Jul 13, 2015 8:48 PM, "Guy Buchanan" wrote: > > Thought everyone should know that after a frantic effort this Spring my > Kitfox flew yesterday (yes, with me in it) after a four year hiatus. The > new 912 ULS is working well, all systems are stable, (after frying a Key > West voltage regulator,) temps are good, and aesthetics are OK. The frantic > effort was to get flying in time to go to Oshkosh this Friday. I'm going to > try to get a bunch of hours on it this week and get through at least a > short test program before we leave. We'll be shipping a bunch of camping > gear tomorrow (very convenient) and will pack light for travel. Please let > me know if any other Fox folk are going so I can look them up. The plan is > to arrive Sunday and stay at Homebuilt Camping. I'm also going to come back > slow through the Denver area and am hoping to look up Stan and James. Might > even make some more stops on the way home- haven't decided yet. > > Yes, I'm quite happy right about now. > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded > A glider pilot, too. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:16 PM PST US Subject: Kitfox-List: Trailer for sale From: "John Wighton" This is a flatbed trailer with a manual winch. Used to transport my Europa to paintshop and then to airfield. It will require additional stands and fixtures to be used regularly but may suit a builder who needs some means to transport his/her plane. Located Essex but could be taken to site for cost of fuel (calculated at 20mpg). Standard 2" towing hook, braked but rod needs to be replaced. Electrics in good working order. Asking 650, with spare wheel. Would suit dismantled, RV, Cub, Fox, etc etc -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444840#444840 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer001_193.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:58 PM PST US From: Guy Buchanan Subject: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems We're having some fun now! * Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one of the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I don't know.) * Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage regulator. I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to heat. (Very hot forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that came with the engine behind the firewall. I get some noise on the headsets but it's not too bad. * Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting the PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat shield but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot jet stream. Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat shield. * Today go flying and three things happen: o The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. Questions: + Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it live long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't want to fry it.) + Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get radio noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise attenuation device? o Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but I'm wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling system that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I got the overheat indication I pulled the power back and everything re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I discovered coolant sprayed over the inside of the engine compartment indicating the cap vented. So I'm guessing that rear cylinder boiled momentarily, then recovered when I pulled the power. Is that recoverable? Or am I looking at an inspection and tear-down? Do you guys get different CHT's on 1 and 4? o And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's nice and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running down from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By the time I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. So, new windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: + Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? Did it fit reasonably well? + Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? + Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone have a K-IV windscreen mold? Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not making it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with a bird that's flying well in advance. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:31 PM PST US From: Rick Weiss Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems Guy, Too bad about having so many problems and not being able to make it to Oshkosh. I can only answer one of your questions and that=92s the LP Windshield. I have one and it went on fairly easy. No issues at all. As I recall, the fit was very good with only a reasonable amount of trimming required, mostly at the aft end. Mine was the one piece windshield/overhead skylight. and it was a Series V. Since I=92m in the Sunshine state, I ordered the tinted version. It really helps cut the heat load. Best of luck to you. Rick Weiss On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > We're having some fun now! > > Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one of the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I don't know.) > Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage regulator. I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to heat. (Very hot forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that came with the engine behind the firewall. I get some noise on the headsets but it's not too bad. > Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting the PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat shield but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot jet stream. Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat shield. > Today go flying and three things happen: > The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. Questions: > Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it live long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't want to fry it.) > Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get radio noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise attenuation device? > Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but I'm wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling system that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I got the overheat indication I pulled the power back and everything re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I discovered coolant sprayed over the inside of the engine compartment indicating the cap vented. So I'm guessing that rear cylinder boiled momentarily, then recovered when I pulled the power. Is that recoverable? Or am I looking at an inspection and tear-down? Do you guys get different CHT's on 1 and 4? > And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's nice and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running down from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By the time I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. So, new windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: > Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? Did it fit reasonably well? > Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? > Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone have a K-IV windscreen mold? > Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not making it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with a bird that's flying well in advance. > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded > Now a glider pilot, too. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:47 PM PST US From: Rick Weiss Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems Guy, Too bad about having so many problems and not being able to make it to Oshkosh. I can only answer one of your questions and that=92s the LP Windshield. I have one and it went on fairly easy. No issues at all. As I recall, the fit was very good with only a reasonable amount of trimming required, mostly at the aft end. Mine was the one piece windshield/overhead skylight. and it was a Series V. Since I=92m in the Sunshine state, I ordered the tinted version. It really helps cut the heat load. Best of luck to you. Rick Weiss On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > We're having some fun now! > > Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one of the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I don't know.) > Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage regulator. I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to heat. (Very hot forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that came with the engine behind the firewall. I get some noise on the headsets but it's not too bad. > Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting the PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat shield but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot jet stream. Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat shield. > Today go flying and three things happen: > The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. Questions: > Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it live long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't want to fry it.) > Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get radio noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise attenuation device? > Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but I'm wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling system that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I got the overheat indication I pulled the power back and everything re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I discovered coolant sprayed over the inside of the engine compartment indicating the cap vented. So I'm guessing that rear cylinder boiled momentarily, then recovered when I pulled the power. Is that recoverable? Or am I looking at an inspection and tear-down? Do you guys get different CHT's on 1 and 4? > And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's nice and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running down from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By the time I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. So, new windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: > Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? Did it fit reasonably well? > Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? > Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone have a K-IV windscreen mold? > Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not making it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with a bird that's flying well in advance. > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded > Now a glider pilot, too. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems From: Guy Buchanan Thanks Rick. That was the important one. If I want to get flying soon I've got to order soon, and John's away to Oshkosh. Guy On 7/16/2015 4:31 PM, Rick Weiss wrote: > Guy, > > Too bad about having so many problems and not being able to make it to > Oshkosh. I can only answer one of your questions and thats the LP > Windshield. I have one and it went on fairly easy. No issues at all. > As I recall, the fit was very good with only a reasonable amount of > trimming required, mostly at the aft end. Mine was the one piece > windshield/overhead skylight. and it was a Series V. Since Im in the > Sunshine state, I ordered the tinted version. It really helps cut the > heat load. > > Best of luck to you. > > Rick Weiss > > > On Jul 16, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Guy Buchanan > wrote: > >> We're having some fun now! >> >> * Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one >> of the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I >> don't know.) >> * Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage >> regulator. I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to >> heat. (Very hot forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that >> came with the engine behind the firewall. I get some noise on the >> headsets but it's not too bad. >> * Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting >> the PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat >> shield but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot >> jet stream. Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat >> shield. >> * Today go flying and three things happen: >> o The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music >> playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator >> off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. >> Questions: >> + Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it >> live long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't >> want to fry it.) >> + Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get >> radio noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise >> attenuation device? >> o Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear >> cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, >> just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F >> hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but >> I'm wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling >> system that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I >> got the overheat indication I pulled the power back and >> everything re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I >> discovered coolant sprayed over the inside of the engine >> compartment indicating the cap vented. So I'm guessing that >> rear cylinder boiled momentarily, then recovered when I >> pulled the power. Is that recoverable? Or am I looking at an >> inspection and tear-down? Do you guys get different CHT's on >> 1 and 4? >> o And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's >> nice and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running >> down from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By >> the time I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. >> So, new windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: >> + Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? >> Did it fit reasonably well? >> + Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? >> + Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put >> mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone >> have a K-IV windscreen mold? >> >> Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not >> making it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with >> a bird that's flying well in advance. >> >> Guy Buchanan >> Ramona, CA >> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded >> Now a glider pilot, too. >> >> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems From: poasttown@yahoo.com Sorry to hear about your issues. I installed the LP windshield. Mine is the one piece unit. I think at the time I was doing mine, approx. 15 years ago , they also had a two piece unit. Yes it went in fairly easily but I was ver y cautious and took my time. However, it did take some cutting and grinding to get a good fit. I am very happy with their product and to date have not had any issues. Mike Chaney 1996 Kitfox IV/Jabiru 2200 Sent from my iPhone > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems From: bjones@dmv.com Guy, Sorry you are having so many opportunities for problem solving. The LP Aero Plastics windshield installed about 9 years ago in my Kitfox IV 1050 needed some trimming pretty much all around. If it is of any use the coolant line temp probe assembly sold by Lockwood shows about 10 degrees cooler than the rear cylinder mounted temp sending unit in my 912, 80 hp. Being an old pro at this stuff I am sure you have the high pressure coolant cap recommended by Rotax some time ago. BJ > We're having some fun now! > > * Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one of > the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I don't > know.) > * Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage regulator. > I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to heat. (Very hot > forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that came with the engine > behind the firewall. I get some noise on the headsets but it's not > too bad. > * Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting the > PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat shield > but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot jet stream. > Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat shield. > * Today go flying and three things happen: > o The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music > playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator > off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. > Questions: > + Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it live > long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't want to > fry it.) > + Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get radio > noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise > attenuation device? > o Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear > cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, > just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F > hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but I'm > wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling system > that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I got the > overheat indication I pulled the power back and everything > re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I discovered coolant > sprayed over the inside of the engine compartment indicating the > cap vented. So I'm guessing that rear cylinder boiled > momentarily, then recovered when I pulled the power. Is that > recoverable? Or am I looking at an inspection and tear-down? Do > you guys get different CHT's on 1 and 4? > o And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's nice > and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running down > from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By the time > I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. So, new > windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: > + Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? Did > it fit reasonably well? > + Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? > + Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put > mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone > have a K-IV windscreen mold? > > Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not making > it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with a bird > that's flying well in advance. > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded > Now a glider pilot, too. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:47 PM PST US From: "Lowell Fitt" Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems Guy, Sorry about the challenges. I know some folks who have a capacitor in the charge circuit for noise suppression. Regarding the windshield - I personally like the Polycarbonate windshield. by removing your old one, you have a perfect pattern for cutting and drilling a new one and it is a half day project - material often available locally. The Polycarbonate version is about a third the weight of the Acrylic one. If you are going in the Acrylic direction, you can get it direct from L P Aeroplastics - no waiting. I am pretty sure they supply Kitfox Aircraft as that is what the guys installing them call them. Treat the Acrylic kindly as it can crack easily during installation. Don't force it to fit. Lowell From: Guy Buchanan Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 4:08 PM Subject: Kitfox-List: Problems, problems We're having some fun now! a.. Monday morning pull the plane out to find fuel leaking from one of the wing valves. Fortunately I have another in stock. (Why, I don't know.) b.. Monday afternoon go flying and fry the Key West voltage regulator. I'm pulling almost no load so it's probably due to heat. (Very hot forward of the firewall.) Mount the Ducati that came with the engine behind the firewall. I get some noise on the headsets but it's not too bad. c.. Tuesday for a good long flight and come back to find I'm melting the PVC aero cover on the gear leg. Bad. I had the stick on heat shield but it's really for radiated heat, not an impinging hot jet stream. Spend the next two days making a cool stainless heat shield. d.. Today go flying and three things happen: a.. The Ducati is putting out enough noise to cause the music playing intercom (Sigtronics SPA-400 TSO) to mute. Alternator off, music; alternator on, no music. Trivial but annoying. Questions: a.. Anyone have a Ducati forward of the firewall? Does it live long there? (I can put mine back forward, but don't want to fry it.) b.. Anyone have a Ducati aft of the firewall? Do you get radio noise? Anyone built a Faraday cage or other noise attenuation device? b.. Climbing at about 13.5k I get a sudden overheat on the rear cylinder. (Running a GRT 2000 with CHT on 1 and 4 cylinders, just like stock.) Now the rear cylinder runs typically 40-60F hotter than the front. I assumed this was air cooling, but I'm wondering if I have something wrong with my cooling system that's making that rear cylinder run hotter. When I got the overheat indication I pulled the power back and everything re-normalized happily. Back at the hangar I discovered coolant sprayed over the inside of the engine compartment indicating the cap vented. So I'm guessing that rear cylinder boiled momentarily, then recovered when I pulled the power. Is that recoverable? Or am I looking at an inspection and tear-down? Do you guys get different CHT's on 1 and 4? c.. And now for the coup de gras. Running at 13.5k' where it's nice and cool I notice a 6' crack in the windscreen, running down from the upper left corner where everything's tight. By the time I get hangared it's 12", too long to ignore or fix. So, new windscreen time. (Double damn.) Questions: a.. Has anyone bought the LP Aero windscreen? Is it fitted? Did it fit reasonably well? b.. Is John's windscreen fitted? Or is it flat sheet? c.. Anyone heat-form their windscreen? I know the guy who put mine together did, but obviously not well enough. Anyone have a K-IV windscreen mold? Thanks all. Sorry for the long winded post. Obviously we're not making it to Osh this year. Very sad. We'll try again next year with a bird that's flying well in advance. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and NO LONGER grounded Now a glider pilot, too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.