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1. 09:29 AM - ADS-B (Michael Gibbs)
2. 10:49 AM - Re: ADS-B (Jareds)
3. 11:43 AM - Re: ADS-B (Guy Buchanan)
4. 01:26 PM - Re: ADS-B (Michael Gibbs)
5. 03:30 PM - Re: ADS-B (Michael Gibbs)
6. 05:28 PM - Re: ADS-B (Guy Buchanan)
7. 07:21 PM - Re: ADS-B (James Shumaker)
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Hi all,
Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program? My Kitfox
is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of KPHX, so I was going
to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the friendly tax-payers of the United
States were willing to help pay for it, I figured I'd take it.
I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week. I had hoped that it would fit
into the existing transponder tray but no dice. All told, it took an afternoon
to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the electrical connections and
about 3 hours under the panel doing the mechanical installation of the transponder,
antenna and electrical hookup.
And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight.
After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and the FAA's
ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked the problem down to
a bad altitude encoder. After swapping out the encoder and repositioning the
GPS antenna to get a better view of the sky, I took it up again this weekend
and it passed!
The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and weather on
the iPad. The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but without a battery since
it gets power from the transponder) also has an AHRS in it so the iPad can
show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic vision. The Kitfox now has fancier
instruments than the Turbo Arrow!
Mike G.
Kitfox Series 7
Phoenix, AZ
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Mike=2E=2E what kinds of least expensive options are out there to comply=2E
=2Ejust curious=2E Pipeline protesters have airspace shut down here in sd
with drones and arrows literally attacking aircraft but i still only need
smoke signals to communicate until i go to phx to visit family=2E Send you
r contact info to jareds@verizon=2Enet if you dont mind someone lookin at y
our work=2E I did spend time with merle williams on my last trip and that
was incredible learning and fun
On January 31, 2017 11:28:57 AM CST, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox=2Enet
> wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program?
>My Kitfox is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of
>KPHX, so I was going to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the
>friendly tax-payers of the United States were willing to help pay for
>it, I figured I'd take it=2E
>
>I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week=2E I had hoped that it
>would fit into the existing transponder tray but no dice=2E All told, it
>took an afternoon to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the
>electrical connections and about 3 hours under the panel doing the
>mechanical installation of the transponder, antenna and electrical
>hookup=2E
>
>And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight=2E
>
>After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and
>the FAA's ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked
>the problem down to a bad altitude encoder=2E After swapping out the
>encoder and repositioning the GPS antenna to get a better view of the
>sky, I took it up again this weekend and it passed!
>
>The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and
>weather on the iPad=2E The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but
>without a battery since it gets power from the transponder) also has an
>AHRS in it so the iPad can show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic
>vision=2E The Kitfox now has fancier instruments than the Turbo Arrow!
>
>Mike G=2E
>Kitfox Series 7
>Phoenix, AZ
>
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E
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No. I will wait until the last minute. Now not only is the technology up
in the air, the politics are as well. I'll be intrigued to see how
NextGen fares when Trump's eye turns to the FAA; the whole thing may
just go away, or be radically altered.
However I did put together one of the Stratux ADS-B in systems off
Amazon, to couple with an old iPad my parents gave us. For $100 I now
have a moving map navigation system with weather and (some) traffic. I
really like the idea of having the weather, and the moving map is kind
of nice, though not really necessary. I'm using the free FltPlan Go app
and it's great for the little I require.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs
Glider pilot, too
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Hi Jared,
I went with the Appareo because it is the least expensive one I could find, i
t's on the FAA's approved list for the incentive program, and I have experie
nce with the Stratus portable ADS-B IN units which work very well with ForeFl
ight Mobile on the iPad. The Stratus ESG (a mode S transponder that does the
"out" part) is $2,995 and the Stratus 2i (the AHRS unit does the "in" part)
is an additional $500. The Stratus 2i is basically the same unit as the Str
atus 2s portable but does not have an internal battery because it draws powe
r from the transponder.
Mike G.
Kitfox Series 7
Phoenix, AZ
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Jareds <jareds@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Mike.. what kinds of least expensive options are out there to comply..just
curious. Pipeline protesters have airspace shut down here in sd with drones
and arrows literally attacking aircraft but i still only need smoke signals
to communicate until i go to phx to visit family. Send your contact info to
jareds@verizon.net if you dont mind someone lookin at your work. I did spen
d time with merle williams on my last trip and that was incredible learning a
nd fun
>
>> On January 31, 2017 11:28:57 AM CST, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program? My K
itfox is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of KPHX, so I w
as going to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the friendly tax-payers of t
he United States were willing to help pay for it, I figured I'd take it.
>>
>> I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week. I had hoped that it wo
uld fit into the existing transponder tray but no dice. All told, it took an
afternoon to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the electrical connec
tions and about 3 hours under the panel doing the mechanical installation of
the transponder, antenna and electrical hookup.
>>
>> And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight.
>>
>> After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and the
FAA's ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked the proble
m down to a bad altitude encoder. After swapping out the encoder and reposit
ioning the GPS antenna to get a better view of the sky, I took it up again t
his weekend and it passed!
>>
>> The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and weath
er on the iPad. The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but without a b
attery since it gets power from the transponder) also has an AHRS in it so t
he iPad can show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic vision. The Kitfox n
ow has fancier instruments than the Turbo Arrow!
>>
>> Mike G.
>> Kitfox Series 7
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> http://forums.m; http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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The older I get the more I shy away from the bleeding edge but the technolog
y is way past the "up in the air" stage (I assume no pun was intended :-). T
he FAA is heavily invested in the technology and the ground infrastructure i
s completely built-out.
I suspect if the President is looking to save $$$ on airspace he'll move for
ward with ADS-B since it transfers a big hunk of the cost to users rather th
an ground-based RADAR that the FAA has to pay to maintain.
For those of us that live in congested airspace, the benefits of ADS-B IN ar
e dramatic.
Mike G.
Kitfox Series 7
Phoenix, AZ
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> No. I will wait until the last minute. Now not only is the technology up i
n the air, the politics are as well. I'll be intrigued to see how NextGen fa
res when Trump's eye turns to the FAA; the whole thing may just go away, or b
e radically altered.
>
> However I did put together one of the Stratux ADS-B in systems off Amazon,
to couple with an old iPad my parents gave us. For $100 I now have a moving
map navigation system with weather and (some) traffic. I really like the id
ea of having the weather, and the moving map is kind of nice, though not rea
lly necessary. I'm using the free FltPlan Go app and it's great for the litt
le I require.
>
> Guy Buchanan
> Ramona, CA
> Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs
> Glider pilot, too
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I envy your AHRS. They're working on it for the Stratux, but it hasn't
worked out yet. I'm sure it will in time.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs
Glider pilot, too
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HI GuyI've installed the Appareo ESG ADS-B transponder and 2Si because I di
d not like having the traffic "sometimes".=C2- Still not perfect, it does
not show non-transponder equipped aircraft, sometimes planes drop out for
no reason and sometimes they all drop out when the radio station gets blank
ed by terrain.=C2- But still worth having and has been great when flying
with friends, able to track them from any distance.
Jim ShumakerKitfox III rotax 912Citabria 7GCAA
On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:35 PM, Guy Buchanan <gebuchanan@cox.net>
wrote:
I envy your AHRS. They're working on it for the Stratux, but it hasn't
worked out yet. I'm sure it will in time.
Guy Buchanan
Ramona, CA
Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs
Glider pilot, too
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