---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/31/17: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:29 AM - ADS-B (Michael Gibbs) 2. 10:49 AM - Re: ADS-B (Jareds) 3. 11:43 AM - Re: ADS-B (Guy Buchanan) 4. 01:26 PM - Re: ADS-B (Michael Gibbs) 5. 03:30 PM - Re: ADS-B (Michael Gibbs) 6. 05:28 PM - Re: ADS-B (Guy Buchanan) 7. 07:21 PM - Re: ADS-B (James Shumaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:26 AM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Kitfox-List: ADS-B Hi all, Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program? My Kitfox is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of KPHX, so I was going to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the friendly tax-payers of the United States were willing to help pay for it, I figured I'd take it. I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week. I had hoped that it would fit into the existing transponder tray but no dice. All told, it took an afternoon to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the electrical connections and about 3 hours under the panel doing the mechanical installation of the transponder, antenna and electrical hookup. And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight. After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and the FAA's ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked the problem down to a bad altitude encoder. After swapping out the encoder and repositioning the GPS antenna to get a better view of the sky, I took it up again this weekend and it passed! The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and weather on the iPad. The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but without a battery since it gets power from the transponder) also has an AHRS in it so the iPad can show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic vision. The Kitfox now has fancier instruments than the Turbo Arrow! Mike G. Kitfox Series 7 Phoenix, AZ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B From: Jareds Mike=2E=2E what kinds of least expensive options are out there to comply=2E =2Ejust curious=2E Pipeline protesters have airspace shut down here in sd with drones and arrows literally attacking aircraft but i still only need smoke signals to communicate until i go to phx to visit family=2E Send you r contact info to jareds@verizon=2Enet if you dont mind someone lookin at y our work=2E I did spend time with merle williams on my last trip and that was incredible learning and fun On January 31, 2017 11:28:57 AM CST, Michael Gibbs wrote: > >Hi all, > >Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program? >My Kitfox is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of >KPHX, so I was going to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the >friendly tax-payers of the United States were willing to help pay for >it, I figured I'd take it=2E > >I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week=2E I had hoped that it >would fit into the existing transponder tray but no dice=2E All told, it >took an afternoon to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the >electrical connections and about 3 hours under the panel doing the >mechanical installation of the transponder, antenna and electrical >hookup=2E > >And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight=2E > >After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and >the FAA's ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked >the problem down to a bad altitude encoder=2E After swapping out the >encoder and repositioning the GPS antenna to get a better view of the >sky, I took it up again this weekend and it passed! > >The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and >weather on the iPad=2E The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but >without a battery since it gets power from the transponder) also has an >AHRS in it so the iPad can show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic >vision=2E The Kitfox now has fancier instruments than the Turbo Arrow! > >Mike G=2E >Kitfox Series 7 >Phoenix, AZ > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B From: Guy Buchanan No. I will wait until the last minute. Now not only is the technology up in the air, the politics are as well. I'll be intrigued to see how NextGen fares when Trump's eye turns to the FAA; the whole thing may just go away, or be radically altered. However I did put together one of the Stratux ADS-B in systems off Amazon, to couple with an old iPad my parents gave us. For $100 I now have a moving map navigation system with weather and (some) traffic. I really like the idea of having the weather, and the moving map is kind of nice, though not really necessary. I'm using the free FltPlan Go app and it's great for the little I require. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs Glider pilot, too ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:43 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B Hi Jared, I went with the Appareo because it is the least expensive one I could find, i t's on the FAA's approved list for the incentive program, and I have experie nce with the Stratus portable ADS-B IN units which work very well with ForeFl ight Mobile on the iPad. The Stratus ESG (a mode S transponder that does the "out" part) is $2,995 and the Stratus 2i (the AHRS unit does the "in" part) is an additional $500. The Stratus 2i is basically the same unit as the Str atus 2s portable but does not have an internal battery because it draws powe r from the transponder. Mike G. Kitfox Series 7 Phoenix, AZ > On Jan 31, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Jareds wrote: > > Mike.. what kinds of least expensive options are out there to comply..just curious. Pipeline protesters have airspace shut down here in sd with drones and arrows literally attacking aircraft but i still only need smoke signals to communicate until i go to phx to visit family. Send your contact info to jareds@verizon.net if you dont mind someone lookin at your work. I did spen d time with merle williams on my last trip and that was incredible learning a nd fun > >> On January 31, 2017 11:28:57 AM CST, Michael Gibbs wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Has anyone else taken advantage of the FAA's ADS-B incentive program? My K itfox is based at KDVT which is within the 30 NM mode C veil of KPHX, so I w as going to need ADS-B eventually anyway, and if the friendly tax-payers of t he United States were willing to help pay for it, I figured I'd take it. >> >> I installed an Appareo Stratus ESG + 2i last week. I had hoped that it wo uld fit into the existing transponder tray but no dice. All told, it took an afternoon to build the new wiring harnesses and debug the electrical connec tions and about 3 hours under the panel doing the mechanical installation of the transponder, antenna and electrical hookup. >> >> And it failed the FAA's performance test in flight. >> >> After contacting Appareo's tech support (very quick and helpful) and the FAA's ADS-B help desk (surprisingly quick and helpful) we tracked the proble m down to a bad altitude encoder. After swapping out the encoder and reposit ioning the GPS antenna to get a better view of the sky, I took it up again t his weekend and it passed! >> >> The best part is the ADS-B IN component, which provides traffic and weath er on the iPad. The Stratus 2i (basically the same as the 2S but without a b attery since it gets power from the transponder) also has an AHRS in it so t he iPad can show a Primary Flight Display with synthetic vision. The Kitfox n ow has fancier instruments than the Turbo Arrow! >> >> Mike G. >> Kitfox Series 7 >> Phoenix, AZ >> >> http://forums.m; http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:30:44 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B The older I get the more I shy away from the bleeding edge but the technolog y is way past the "up in the air" stage (I assume no pun was intended :-). T he FAA is heavily invested in the technology and the ground infrastructure i s completely built-out. I suspect if the President is looking to save $$$ on airspace he'll move for ward with ADS-B since it transfers a big hunk of the cost to users rather th an ground-based RADAR that the FAA has to pay to maintain. For those of us that live in congested airspace, the benefits of ADS-B IN ar e dramatic. Mike G. Kitfox Series 7 Phoenix, AZ > On Jan 31, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: > > > No. I will wait until the last minute. Now not only is the technology up i n the air, the politics are as well. I'll be intrigued to see how NextGen fa res when Trump's eye turns to the FAA; the whole thing may just go away, or b e radically altered. > > However I did put together one of the Stratux ADS-B in systems off Amazon, to couple with an old iPad my parents gave us. For $100 I now have a moving map navigation system with weather and (some) traffic. I really like the id ea of having the weather, and the moving map is kind of nice, though not rea lly necessary. I'm using the free FltPlan Go app and it's great for the litt le I require. > > Guy Buchanan > Ramona, CA > Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs > Glider pilot, too ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B From: Guy Buchanan I envy your AHRS. They're working on it for the Stratux, but it hasn't worked out yet. I'm sure it will in time. Guy Buchanan Ramona, CA Kitfox IV-1200 / 912-S / Warp 3cs / 600 hrs Glider pilot, too ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:13 PM PST US From: James Shumaker Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: ADS-B HI GuyI've installed the Appareo ESG ADS-B transponder and 2Si because I di d not like having the traffic "sometimes".=C2- Still not perfect, it does not show non-transponder equipped aircraft, sometimes planes drop out for no reason and sometimes they all drop out when the radio station gets blank ed by terrain.=C2- But still worth having and has been great when flying with friends, able to track them from any distance. Jim ShumakerKitfox III rotax 912Citabria 7GCAA On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 5:35 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote: I envy your AHRS. They're working on it for the Stratux, but it hasn't worked out yet. I'm sure it will in time. 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