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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen)
2. 12:45 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen)
3. 12:59 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen)
4. 01:02 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/16/21 (George Nielsen)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (Kirby Cramer)
6. 02:59 PM - Re: Canvas Cover (Michael Gibbs)
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| Subject: | Re: Canvas Cover |
Hi Kirby,
Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering.
I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to
install? How does your Kitfox perform with this engine?
George Nielsen
Avid Flyer I-6640
The Hague, the Netherlands
On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
for adhesive and cover.
> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru
EA81.
>
> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as
it is easy to patch and repair.
> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>
> Kirby Cramer
> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
> EAA Life Member
> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
> 760-505-3173
> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of George Nielsen
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>
>
> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>
> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to
patch them up.
>
> Thanks.
>
> George Nielsen
> Avid Flyer I-6640
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canvas Cover |
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your reply. I trust that PolyFiber is well suited for such
aircraft.
George Nielsen
Avid Flyer I-6640
The Hague, the Netherlands
On 16-Nov-21 16:08, Michael Gibbs wrote:
>
> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber.
>
> Mike
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer <kitfox@mcn.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
for adhesive and cover.
>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on
Subaru EA81.
>>
>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint
as it is easy to patch and repair.
>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>>
>> Kirby Cramer
>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
>> EAA Life Member
>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
>> 760-505-3173
>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of George Nielsen
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>>
>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to
patch them up.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> George Nielsen
>> Avid Flyer I-6640
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canvas Cover |
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your reply. I hope that my plane makes use of Stitts Poly
Fiber.
George Nielsen
Avid Flyer I-6640
The Hague, the Netherlands
On 16-Nov-21 16:34, Robert Toth wrote:
>
> Did mine with Stitts Poly Fiber and the Poly Tone paints worked great and pretty
easy! Good luck!
> Bob Toth
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber.
>>
>> Mike
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer <kitfox@mcn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi George,
>>>
>>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
for adhesive and cover.
>>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on
Subaru EA81.
>>>
>>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint
as it is easy to patch and repair.
>>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>>>
>>> Kirby Cramer
>>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
>>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
>>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
>>> EAA Life Member
>>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
>>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
>>> 760-505-3173
>>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
On Behalf Of George Nielsen
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>>>
>>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like
to patch them up.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> George Nielsen
>>> Avid Flyer I-6640
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/16/21 |
Hello Frank,
Thank you for your reply. I find it a good idea to contact Consolidated
Aircraft Coatings as I understand that they are experts on aircraft
coatings. Thank you very much for your advice.
Cheers
George Nielsen
Avid Flyer I-6640
The Hague, the Netherlands
On 17-Nov-21 14:27, Frank McDonald wrote:
>
> George
>
> As your question implies, it is very important to determine what materials were
used so that an appropriate repair can be made. Assume you checked the Aircraft
logbook and there is no documentation re the covering process?
>
> I recommend you call the Consolidated Aircraft Coatings folks. They hold the
STC for both Poly-fiber (formerly Stits) and Ceconite and can walk you through
figuring out if one of these products was used. Speak with the experts.
>
> Though similar, Poly-fiber and Ceconite use different products for application.
Each offers two fabric weights (Light weight usually used for small patches).
Additionally, each has two options for the finish coating which dictates
the repair process.
>
> You can go to their web site and download the manual for each. Their manuals
simply layout the process and products used. There is a chapter detailing how
to make repairs for each.
>
> There ARE OTHER products that may have been used! Being Experimental, the builder
could have used ANYTHING.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Kitfox-List Digest Server <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
wrote:
>>
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>> Kitfox-List Digest Archive
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>> Total Messages Posted Tue 11/16/21: 2
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>> Today's Message Index:
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>> 1. 07:09 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (Michael Gibbs)
>> 2. 07:34 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (Robert Toth)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:09:00 AM PST US
>> From: Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>
>>
>> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber.
>>
>> Mike
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer <kitfox@mcn.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi George,
>>>
>>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
>> for adhesive and cover.
>>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on
Subaru
>> EA81.
>>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint
as
>> it is easy to patch and repair.
>>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>>>
>>> Kirby Cramer
>>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
>>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
>>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
>>> EAA Life Member
>>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
>>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
>>> 760-505-3173
>>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
>> On Behalf Of George Nielsen
>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
>> and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like
to
>> patch them up.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> George Nielsen
>>> Avid Flyer I-6640
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:34:51 AM PST US
>> From: Robert Toth <rtoth4310@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>
>>
>> Did mine with Stitts Poly Fiber and the Poly Tone paints worked great and pretty
>> easy! Good luck!
>> Bob Toth
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Michael Gibbs <michaelgibbs@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Phoenix, AZ
>>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer <kitfox@mcn.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
>> for adhesive and cover.
>>>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on
>> Subaru EA81.
>>>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint
>> as it is easy to patch and repair.
>>>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>>>>
>>>> Kirby Cramer
>>>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
>>>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
>>>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
>>>> EAA Life Member
>>>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
>>>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
>>>> 760-505-3173
>>>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com>
>> On Behalf Of George Nielsen
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
>>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
>> and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>>>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like
to
>> patch them up.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> George Nielsen
>>>> Avid Flyer I-6640
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi George,
My Kitfox 4 flys well with the NSI EA81 Subaru.
I cruise at 95 MPH at 4000 RPM. Fuel burn is a little over 4 GPH.
I build it in 1993 and have about 535 trouble-free hours on it so far.
About 40 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912. I'm not aware of anyone making the Subaru
conversion anymore.
Here is a link to a YouTube video on my motor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLVQ2733CQ
Cheers,
Kirby
Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
Hi Kirby,
Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering.
I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to install? How
does your Kitfox perform with this engine?
George Nielsen
Avid Flyer I-6640
The Hague, the Netherlands
On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote:
>
> Hi George,
>
> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
for adhesive and cover.
> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru
EA81.
>
> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as
it is easy to patch and repair.
> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>
> Kirby Cramer
> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
> EAA Life Member
> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
> 760-505-3173
> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of George Nielsen
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>
> --> <genie@swissmail.org>
>
> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>
> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to
patch them up.
>
> Thanks.
>
> George Nielsen
> Avid Flyer I-6640
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canvas Cover |
Nice job on the video, Kirby, thanks! I hadnt seen it before.
Mike
Kitfox Series 7
Phoenix, AZ
> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Kirby Cramer <kitfox@mcn.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> My Kitfox 4 flys well with the NSI EA81 Subaru.
> I cruise at 95 MPH at 4000 RPM. Fuel burn is a little over 4 GPH.
> I build it in 1993 and have about 535 trouble-free hours on it so far.
> About 40 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912. I'm not aware of anyone making the
Subaru conversion anymore.
> Here is a link to a YouTube video on my motor:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLVQ2733CQ
>
> Cheers,
> Kirby
>
>
> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>
>
> Hi Kirby,
>
> Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering.
>
> I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to install?
How does your Kitfox perform with this engine?
>
> George Nielsen
> Avid Flyer I-6640
> The Hague, the Netherlands
>
>> On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote:
>>
>> Hi George,
>>
>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system
for adhesive and cover.
>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on
Subaru EA81.
>>
>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint
as it is easy to patch and repair.
>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly.
>>
>> Kirby Cramer
>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC
>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC
>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman
>> EAA Life Member
>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028
>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com
>> 760-505-3173
>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
>> <owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of George Nielsen
>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM
>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover
>>
>> --> <genie@swissmail.org>
>>
>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes
and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite?
>>
>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to
patch them up.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> George Nielsen
>> Avid Flyer I-6640
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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