---------------------------------------------------------- Kitfox-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/18/21: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen) 2. 12:45 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen) 3. 12:59 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (George Nielsen) 4. 01:02 AM - Re: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/16/21 (George Nielsen) 5. 10:25 AM - Re: Canvas Cover (Kirby Cramer) 6. 02:59 PM - Re: Canvas Cover (Michael Gibbs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover From: George Nielsen Hi Kirby, Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering. I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to install? How does your Kitfox perform with this engine? George Nielsen Avid Flyer I-6640 The Hague, the Netherlands On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote: > > Hi George, > > Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system for adhesive and cover. > I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru EA81. > > I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as it is easy to patch and repair. > I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. > > Kirby Cramer > Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC > Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC > FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman > EAA Life Member > 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 > KirbyCramer@gmail.com > 760-505-3173 > YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of George Nielsen > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover > > > Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? > > I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to patch them up. > > Thanks. > > George Nielsen > Avid Flyer I-6640 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover From: George Nielsen Hi Mike, Thank you for your reply. I trust that PolyFiber is well suited for such aircraft. George Nielsen Avid Flyer I-6640 The Hague, the Netherlands On 16-Nov-21 16:08, Michael Gibbs wrote: > > Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber. > > Mike > Phoenix, AZ > >> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer wrote: >> >> >> Hi George, >> >> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system for adhesive and cover. >> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru EA81. >> >> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as it is easy to patch and repair. >> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. >> >> Kirby Cramer >> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC >> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC >> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman >> EAA Life Member >> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 >> KirbyCramer@gmail.com >> 760-505-3173 >> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of George Nielsen >> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >> >> >> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? >> >> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to patch them up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> George Nielsen >> Avid Flyer I-6640 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover From: George Nielsen Hi Bob, Thank you for your reply. I hope that my plane makes use of Stitts Poly Fiber. George Nielsen Avid Flyer I-6640 The Hague, the Netherlands On 16-Nov-21 16:34, Robert Toth wrote: > > Did mine with Stitts Poly Fiber and the Poly Tone paints worked great and pretty easy! Good luck! > Bob Toth > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: >> >> >> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber. >> >> Mike >> Phoenix, AZ >> >>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi George, >>> >>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system for adhesive and cover. >>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru EA81. >>> >>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as it is easy to patch and repair. >>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. >>> >>> Kirby Cramer >>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC >>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC >>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman >>> EAA Life Member >>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 >>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com >>> 760-505-3173 >>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of George Nielsen >>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? >>> >>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to patch them up. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> George Nielsen >>> Avid Flyer I-6640 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/16/21 From: George Nielsen Hello Frank, Thank you for your reply. I find it a good idea to contact Consolidated Aircraft Coatings as I understand that they are experts on aircraft coatings. Thank you very much for your advice. Cheers George Nielsen Avid Flyer I-6640 The Hague, the Netherlands On 17-Nov-21 14:27, Frank McDonald wrote: > > George > > As your question implies, it is very important to determine what materials were used so that an appropriate repair can be made. Assume you checked the Aircraft logbook and there is no documentation re the covering process? > > I recommend you call the Consolidated Aircraft Coatings folks. They hold the STC for both Poly-fiber (formerly Stits) and Ceconite and can walk you through figuring out if one of these products was used. Speak with the experts. > > Though similar, Poly-fiber and Ceconite use different products for application. Each offers two fabric weights (Light weight usually used for small patches). Additionally, each has two options for the finish coating which dictates the repair process. > > You can go to their web site and download the manual for each. Their manuals simply layout the process and products used. There is a chapter detailing how to make repairs for each. > > There ARE OTHER products that may have been used! Being Experimental, the builder could have used ANYTHING. > > Cheers > > >> On Nov 17, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Kitfox-List Digest Server wrote: >> >> * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete Kitfox-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >> and Message Navigation. 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Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru >> EA81. >>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as >> it is easy to patch and repair. >>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. >>> >>> Kirby Cramer >>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC >>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC >>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman >>> EAA Life Member >>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 >>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com >>> 760-505-3173 >>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> On Behalf Of George Nielsen >>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM >>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes >> and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? >>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to >> patch them up. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> George Nielsen >>> Avid Flyer I-6640 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:34:51 AM PST US >> From: Robert Toth >> Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >> >> >> Did mine with Stitts Poly Fiber and the Poly Tone paints worked great and pretty >> easy! Good luck! >> Bob Toth >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Michael Gibbs wrote: >>> >>> >>> Both my Model IV and Series 7 Kitfoxes use PolyFiber. >>> >>> Mike >>> Phoenix, AZ >>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:03 AM, Kirby Cramer wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi George, >>>> >>>> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system >> for adhesive and cover. >>>> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on >> Subaru EA81. >>>> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint >> as it is easy to patch and repair. >>>> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. >>>> >>>> Kirby Cramer >>>> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC >>>> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC >>>> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman >>>> EAA Life Member >>>> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 >>>> KirbyCramer@gmail.com >>>> 760-505-3173 >>>> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> On Behalf Of George Nielsen >>>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM >>>> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes >> and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? >>>> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to >> patch them up. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> George Nielsen >>>> Avid Flyer I-6640 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:40 AM PST US From: "Kirby Cramer" Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover Hi George, My Kitfox 4 flys well with the NSI EA81 Subaru. I cruise at 95 MPH at 4000 RPM. Fuel burn is a little over 4 GPH. I build it in 1993 and have about 535 trouble-free hours on it so far. About 40 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912. I'm not aware of anyone making the Subaru conversion anymore. Here is a link to a YouTube video on my motor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLVQ2733CQ Cheers, Kirby Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover Hi Kirby, Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering. I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to install? How does your Kitfox perform with this engine? George Nielsen Avid Flyer I-6640 The Hague, the Netherlands On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote: > > Hi George, > > Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system for adhesive and cover. > I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru EA81. > > I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as it is easy to patch and repair. > I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. > > Kirby Cramer > Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC > Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC > FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman > EAA Life Member > 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 > KirbyCramer@gmail.com > 760-505-3173 > YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com > On Behalf Of George Nielsen > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover > > --> > > Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? > > I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to patch them up. > > Thanks. > > George Nielsen > Avid Flyer I-6640 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:20 PM PST US From: Michael Gibbs Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover Nice job on the video, Kirby, thanks! I hadnt seen it before. Mike Kitfox Series 7 Phoenix, AZ > On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Kirby Cramer wrote: > > > Hi George, > > My Kitfox 4 flys well with the NSI EA81 Subaru. > I cruise at 95 MPH at 4000 RPM. Fuel burn is a little over 4 GPH. > I build it in 1993 and have about 535 trouble-free hours on it so far. > About 40 pounds heavier than a Rotax 912. I'm not aware of anyone making the Subaru conversion anymore. > Here is a link to a YouTube video on my motor: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLVQ2733CQ > > Cheers, > Kirby > > > To: kitfox-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover > > > Hi Kirby, > > Thank you for your reply. I will check if my plane uses the Stitts covering. > > I see that your Kitfox makes use of a Subaru engine. Was it easy to install? How does your Kitfox perform with this engine? > > George Nielsen > Avid Flyer I-6640 > The Hague, the Netherlands > >> On 16-Nov-21 8:52, Kirby Cramer wrote: >> >> Hi George, >> >> Mine was Ceconite (1992 Kitfox Model 4) which used the Stitts Poly Fiber system for adhesive and cover. >> I think Stitts and Ceconite are similar. Flew it today, about 525 hours on Subaru EA81. >> >> I f you're going to use Stitts covering, I would recommend Poly Tone paint as it is easy to patch and repair. >> I used System 3 paint and its very hard to patch properly. >> >> Kirby Cramer >> Kitfox 4 NSI Subaru, N45KC >> Vans RV7A O-360, N445KC >> FAA Experimental Aircraft Repairman >> EAA Life Member >> 26 Rollingview Lane Fallbrook, CA 92028 >> KirbyCramer@gmail.com >> 760-505-3173 >> YouTube: Cramer's Classic Cycles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com >> On Behalf Of George Nielsen >> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:38 PM >> To: kitfox-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Kitfox-List: Canvas Cover >> >> --> >> >> Does anyone know what kind of material is used for the canvas cover of Kitfoxes and Avid Flyers? Is it Ceconite? >> >> I am asking because I have found small holes in my aircraft and would like to patch them up. >> >> Thanks. >> >> George Nielsen >> Avid Flyer I-6640 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kitfox-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kitfox-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kitfox-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kitfox-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.