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1. 01:21 AM - Re: fuel shutoff valve (Vincehallam@aol.com)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: Gascolators for auto fuel (Richard Pike)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Gascolators for auto fuel (Richard Pike)
4. 09:38 AM - Lift Strut Vibrations (Leonard S.Voelker)
5. 09:41 AM - safety pins (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
6. 09:59 AM - Re: Prop length (Frank Reynen)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (ul15rhb@juno.com)
8. 01:37 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: safety pins (ul15rhb@juno.com)
10. 03:30 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (Tiffany Pitra)
11. 03:38 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (Richard Pike)
12. 04:16 PM - Re: spark plug wire spreader thingies (Paul Petty)
13. 04:34 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (Bob Bean)
14. 04:51 PM - Auto Parts (Paul Petty)
15. 06:06 PM - Re: spark plug wire spreader thingies (ZepRep251@aol.com)
16. 06:06 PM - Re: Auto Parts (woody)
17. 06:21 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (ZepRep251@aol.com)
18. 06:22 PM - making steep climbouts (b young)
19. 06:23 PM - prop a 912 (b young)
20. 06:26 PM - installing the H section (b young)
21. 06:27 PM - Re: safety pins (ZepRep251@aol.com)
22. 06:36 PM - Air flow and resonance (SGreenpg@aol.com)
23. 07:16 PM - Re: Auto Parts (Richard Swiderski)
24. 07:31 PM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (GeoR38@aol.com)
25. 07:42 PM - Re: safety pins (GeoR38@aol.com)
26. 08:40 PM - List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
27. 08:47 PM - Re: safety pins (ul15rhb@juno.com)
28. 08:58 PM - Re: installing the H section (Larry Bourne)
29. 09:30 PM - Re: safety pins (GeoR38@aol.com)
30. 10:20 PM - those NAPA guys ()
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| Subject: | Re: fuel shutoff valve |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
Im very old and not bold .You were very skilful and very lucky to turn back
from 100 genuine feet and get in dead stick. We always used to say "land
ahead "with a small turn to avoid the worst obstacles [look at the gap not
the obstacle] I havnt flown a Kolb and would be glad to learn old kolbers
opinions...but by gar you have to stuff the nose down quick to get some
excess airspeed to do any sort of landing flare
vnz
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolators for auto fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
I have one of those gascolators on the J-6 I sold several years ago, it
needed a new gasket and I bought one at the local FBO. It was a semi firm
rubber, has been in there for years now with no problems running Amoco 93
octane with Phillips Injex premix, still doing fine.
Alcohol in the gas might change the equation...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Bill Futrell wrote:
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Futrell" <Bill-Jo@prodigy.net>
>>
>> I posted a couple days ago that I was using the gascolator from Aircraft
>> Spruce and have flow it all summer with no problem. I called A/S today and
>> they said that the manufacture said that auto fuel will dissolve the gasket.
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Gascolators for auto fuel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
So now I need to stop by the auto parts store and buy a filter just so I
can play with the web page some more? OK, I can do that.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:28 PM 12/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
>Richard, sounds like a great idea, and cheap too. I think I got the
>picture, but why not post a pic on your web-sight?
> That part about being retired, I know better, because my Father-in-law is
>a supposedly retired preacher, so I know you guys never really retire.
>Folks won't let you.
>Thanks for the info on the home made gascolator..
>
>
>Richard Harris
>MK3 N912RH
>Lewisville, Arkansas
>
>: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolators for auto fuel
>
>
>Being retired and a notable cheapskate & scrounge, I discovered that a
>> gascolator is very cheap and easy to make. The idea behind a gascolator is
>> simple: water sinks and gas sits on top of it. So I went down to Autozone
>> and here was this wall covered with about 50 different kinds of white
>nylon
>> automotive fuel filters, right out in the open so you could examine them.
>I
>> got one with the inlet and outlet on the same level, and the body or bowl
>> of the filter about as big as a coffee cup, and below the level of the
>> inlets and outlets, cost under $3.
>>
>> Drilled a hole in the bottom of the bowl to fit a rubber fuel tank
>grommet,
>> (CPS catalog #7030, $.95) then stuck the barbed end of an elbow tank
>> fitting (CPS catalog #7032, $2.95) through the grommet. Hooked a drain
>line
>> to the fitting and ran it to an external low point on the system and
>capped
>> it off with a valve. (Already had that, actually had all the hardware
>> stuff, so I was primed...)
>>
>> The fuel (water?) would come in through the inlet and go into the bowl
>part
>> first, and then through the filtering matrix and then up and out through
>> the other port. The water would lay in the bottom, and it would probably
>> hold nearly a 1/2 pint of water before it would get up to the outlet.
>>
>> Less than $10 in the whole rig, and it weighed just a few ounces. The guts
>> inside the one I fooled with were not paper, but if they were, I would
>> probably have grubbed any paper gasket material out, because I have heard
>> that wet filter paper does not pass premix, and my old 532 uses premix.
>But
>> if you are using oil injection, and straight gasoline is going into the
>> filter, it would probably work OK. (Test it and make sure!) Once you make
>> the first one, it becomes very easy, I actually bought two filters, one to
>> practice on, and the second one to get right.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Leonard S.Voelker" <lenvoelker@ccis.com>
Dear Kolbers,
I recall some recent posts where some of you have mentioned that your wing lift
struts were vibrating during flight. This is an interesting aeroelastic phenomenon
that is, fortunately, mostly obnoxious and not potentially immediately
catastrophic. However, it is hard on the end fittings and in time could eventually
lead to fatigue failure. So I don't recommend that you ignore it. The following
diatribe, in explaining in excruciating detail what is going on, assumes
that the lift struts are bare round tubes.
In fluid flow, cylindrical (and some other non-airfoil shapes) produce wakes with
alternating vortices. These vortices produce alternating pressures forward
all the way around the cylinder. These alternating pressures in turn produce
alternating circular "lift" normal to the flow. The frequency of the shed vortices
is constant and a function of the cylinder diameter. The larger the diameter,
the lower the frequency. If this frequency coincides with a resonant bending
frequency of the flexible tube it will vibrate at a more or less constant
amplitude depending on the airspeed.
The best cure that I know of for a vibrating lift strut is to wrap a symmetric
airfoil around it. I'm sure New Kolb will sell you a plastic one if you request
it, along with instructions on how to install it. Be sure to affix the airfoil
firmly to the strut or bad things could happen. Such an airfoil also has the
added benefit of significantly reducing strut drag since a symmetric airfoil
of the same thickness as a cylinder's diameter will have about one tenth of the
drag. Extruded airfoil-shaped aluminum tubing is also available but it is pricey
as well having somewhat higher drag because of the typically blunt trailing
edges.
Because they are round, those bracing cables around the empennage will likely vibrate,
too, and for the same reasons. I don't know of a practical cure for vibrating
cables. Flat steel ribbons, for example, would likely flutter since they
would be too flexible in torsion. I guess that we will just have to live with
it and inspect the cable fittings each time before flight to insure that excessive
wear has not occurred.
There are many examples of alternating shedding vortices elsewhere besides on aircraft.
We've all seen galloping telephone and electric power lines in high cross
winds. Some smoke stacks have even been toppled by them. Stop signs, although
flat instead of round, also tend to oscillate in high winds for the same
reason. Many fixes have been tried for these examples, with varying degrees of
success, but none of them are appropriate for aircraft applications.
See, that's more than you ever wanted to know about shedding vortices. Fly safe
and flutter free.
Len Voelker
Mark III Xtra/?
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12/03/2002 12:41:37 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
I too like to use the oversized safety pins, as I must breakdown my Mrk III
and put it in my trailer every time I fly. I use the large ones to make
life easier when installing or removing the clevis pin at the wing
attachment point. Have not found any in aircraft spruce catalog, but did
find them at Home Depot in their specialty hardware drawers. No, they are
not to AN specs, but they are significantly beefier than standard ones, and
they work fine for their intended purpose.
I tried safety rings, but quickly discarded them because they are just too
much of a pain to take on and off every time. On the other hand, the loss
of a safety pin through improperly clipping it would seem more likely
than the loss of a safety ring. For this reason, checking all the safety
pins to make sure they are properly clipped is something I pay extra
attention to on my preflights. One one or two occasions, I found ones that
appeared to be clipped, but in fact were not fully secured. Seeing that
has made me even more vigilant, and Im fine with it as long as I know I
have done my preflight carefully.
regards,
Erich Weaver
erich_weaver@urscorp.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Mark,
I have a 72" 3 blade IVO on my MKIII with room to spare.It is mounted on an
IVO 3" extension.
See webside below under "912 carb conversion" for a picture of the mounting.
Frank Reynen
http://www.webcom.com/reynen
----- Original Message -----
From: <Cavuontop@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Prop length
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Cavuontop@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> Can a 72" prop be used on a Mark III Classic with a 912 engine?
>
> Mark R. Sellers
> Kolb Twinstar Mark III, N496BM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Len,
I am one of those pilots with the round struts. I don't have them on my
machine anymore because I made the streamlined struts two years ago. In
the 14 years of using the round struts, I monitored the ends very closely
as my life depended on them. I never saw anything that remotely looked
like the 25 end rivets were loosening up. If that happened, I would have
grounded myself. They did not vibrate much at cruise where the majority
of my flying was done (55-60 mph). It was at low rpms, during the
approach and landing, where I could see them vibrating. It was a little
unnerving when I saw them out there holding me and my plane aloft, but I
would not hesitate to fly with them again.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:45:40 -0800 "Leonard S.Voelker"
<lenvoelker@ccis.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Leonard S.Voelker"
> <lenvoelker@ccis.com>
>
> Dear Kolbers,
>
> I recall some recent posts where some of you have mentioned that
> your wing lift struts were vibrating during flight. This is an
> interesting aeroelastic phenomenon that is, fortunately, mostly
> obnoxious and not potentially immediately catastrophic. However, it
> is hard on the end fittings and in time could eventually lead to
> fatigue failure. So I don't recommend that you ignore it. The
> following diatribe, in explaining in excruciating detail what is
> going on, assumes that the lift struts are bare round tubes.
>
> In fluid flow, cylindrical (and some other non-airfoil shapes)
> produce wakes with alternating vortices. These vortices produce
> alternating pressures forward all the way around the cylinder.
> These alternating pressures in turn produce alternating circular
> "lift" normal to the flow. The frequency of the shed vortices is
> constant and a function of the cylinder diameter. The larger the
> diameter, the lower the frequency. If this frequency coincides with
> a resonant bending frequency of the flexible tube it will vibrate at
> a more or less constant amplitude depending on the airspeed.
>
> The best cure that I know of for a vibrating lift strut is to wrap a
> symmetric airfoil around it. I'm sure New Kolb will sell you a
> plastic one if you request it, along with instructions on how to
> install it. Be sure to affix the airfoil firmly to the strut or bad
> things could happen. Such an airfoil also has the added benefit of
> significantly reducing strut drag since a symmetric airfoil of the
> same thickness as a cylinder's diameter will have about one tenth of
> the drag. Extruded airfoil-shaped aluminum tubing is also available
> but it is pricey as well having somewhat higher drag because of the
> typically blunt trailing edges.
>
> Because they are round, those bracing cables around the empennage
> will likely vibrate, too, and for the same reasons. I don't know of
> a practical cure for vibrating cables. Flat steel ribbons, for
> example, would likely flutter since they would be too flexible in
> torsion. I guess that we will just have to live with it and inspect
> the cable fittings each time before flight to insure that excessive
> wear has not occurred.
>
> There are many examples of alternating shedding vortices elsewhere
> besides on aircraft. We've all seen galloping telephone and electric
> power lines in high cross winds. Some smoke stacks have even been
> toppled by them. Stop signs, although flat instead of round, also
> tend to oscillate in high winds for the same reason. Many fixes have
> been tried for these examples, with varying degrees of success, but
> none of them are appropriate for aircraft applications.
>
> See, that's more than you ever wanted to know about shedding
> vortices. Fly safe and flutter free.
>
> Len Voelker
> Mark III Xtra/?
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Len,
Are the "flat steel ribbons" you mentioned the same ones that you see on many
aerobatic planes instead of cables? Do you know what these cable
alternatives are officially called? Do the aerobatic pilots that use the
solid "ribbons" instead of cable suffer from the same vibration problems that
we do? Do you or any of the other list members have any experiance using
these instead of cables? I have thought of using these instead of cables on
the tail feathers because they are more streamlined and they look good. Any
idea where to get these?
Also, has anyone found a fix to stop the noise of the cables that go thru the
boom tube?
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>snip>
> I tried safety rings, but quickly discarded them because they are
> just too
> much of a pain to take on and off every time.
> snip>
> regards,
>
> Erich Weaver
> erich_weaver@urscorp.com
Eric,
Get the "easy start" safety rings. They are not hard to start or remove.
I've been using them for 16 years and I set up and take down on every
flight which has been over 360 setups. I would never use those safety
clips. Not only can they come loose, but tough on the fingers.
When I got my kit, I saw those clips and thought there had to be a better
way. The rings are it.
Ralph
Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tiffany Pitra <tif_qtra@yahoo.com>
Sky tech. Has streamline struts and stremline gerry struts and ect. SR3SA2L1@aol.com
wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Len,
Are the "flat steel ribbons" you mentioned the same ones that you see on many
aerobatic planes instead of cables? Do you know what these cable
alternatives are officially called? Do the aerobatic pilots that use the
solid "ribbons" instead of cable suffer from the same vibration problems that
we do? Do you or any of the other list members have any experiance using
these instead of cables? I have thought of using these instead of cables on
the tail feathers because they are more streamlined and they look good. Any
idea where to get these?
Also, has anyone found a fix to stop the noise of the cables that go thru the
boom tube?
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
A friend of mine has an Aircam and the streamlined lift struts are prone to
vibrate. Lockwood's cure was little turbulator strips that run the length
of the streamline tube strut on the forward side, one on the upper side
front, the other on the lower side front.
There is another aircraft that has just joined the local fleet, a Vista
that has streamlined lift struts that vibrate at certain engine rpm's,
apparently in resonance with the Rotax 912. The owner is going to install
turbulator strips along the front edges of the lift struts, will let you
know how things turn out, might be something Kolb-useful.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:45 AM 12/3/02 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Leonard S.Voelker" <lenvoelker@ccis.com>
>
>Dear Kolbers,
>
>I recall some recent posts where some of you have mentioned that your wing
>lift struts were vibrating during flight. This is an interesting aeroelastic
>phenomenon that is, fortunately, mostly obnoxious and not potentially
>immediately catastrophic. However, it is hard on the end fittings and in
>time could eventually lead to fatigue failure. So I don't recommend that you
>ignore it. The following diatribe, in explaining in excruciating detail what
>is going on, assumes that the lift struts are bare round tubes.
>
>In fluid flow, cylindrical (and some other non-airfoil shapes) produce wakes
>with alternating vortices. These vortices produce alternating pressures
>forward all the way around the cylinder. These alternating pressures in
>turn produce alternating circular "lift" normal to the flow. The frequency
>of the shed vortices is constant and a function of the cylinder diameter.
>The larger the diameter, the lower the frequency. If this frequency
>coincides with a resonant bending frequency of the flexible tube it will
>vibrate at a more or less constant amplitude depending on the airspeed.
>
>The best cure that I know of for a vibrating lift strut is to wrap a
>symmetric airfoil around it. I'm sure New Kolb will sell you a plastic one
>if you request it, along with instructions on how to install it. Be sure to
>affix the airfoil firmly to the strut or bad things could happen. Such an
>airfoil also has the added benefit of significantly reducing strut drag
>since a symmetric airfoil of the same thickness as a cylinder's diameter
>will have about one tenth of the drag. Extruded airfoil-shaped aluminum
>tubing is also available but it is pricey as well having somewhat higher
>drag because of the typically blunt trailing edges.
>
>Because they are round, those bracing cables around the empennage will
>likely vibrate, too, and for the same reasons. I don't know of a practical
>cure for vibrating cables. Flat steel ribbons, for example, would likely
>flutter since they would be too flexible in torsion. I guess that we will
>just have to live with it and inspect the cable fittings each time before
>flight to insure that excessive wear has not occurred.
>
>There are many examples of alternating shedding vortices elsewhere besides
>on aircraft. We've all seen galloping telephone and electric power lines in
>high cross winds. Some smoke stacks have even been toppled by them. Stop
>signs, although flat instead of round, also tend to oscillate in high winds
>for the same reason. Many fixes have been tried for these examples, with
>varying degrees of success, but none of them are appropriate for aircraft
>applications.
>
>See, that's more than you ever wanted to know about shedding vortices. Fly
>safe and flutter free.
>
>Len Voelker
>Mark III Xtra/?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spark plug wire spreader thingies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Denny, I may can help you. I am a store manager for the local NAPA store and
have been the business for 24 years. I looked today and they are available
is a variety of colors shapes and even some that you can attach to frame
members. Go to any Napa and ask to look at the PSE (performance& specialty
equipment) catalog. there on page 275 of catalog #PSE02 154021. They will
most likely give you a catalog to take home because most hardly use them.
Also Ask for a Balkamp catalog. Lots of stuff in there that can be used in
building.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: spark plug wire spreader thingies
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> I have been checking the local autoparts for the little clips that keep
your spark plug wires spaced evenly apart. Nobody seems to have em. I need
a couple two wire ones and a handfull of three wire ones. Would also like
to have a few of the triples with bolt holes for attaching to the airframe.
> Anybody know where I can find these things?
> Denny Rowe
> Building Mk-3
> 690L-70
> Leechburg, PA
> Getting close, real close.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
You guys wouldn't by any chance be referring to the Mcwhyte flying wires
that
have been standard equipment with most biplanes for at least 70 years now?
-I would definitely trust them for my tail braces but just a bit of
overkill for
a Kolb. -BB do not archive
SR3SA2L1@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
>
>Len,
>
>Are the "flat steel ribbons" you mentioned the same ones that you see on many
>aerobatic planes instead of cables? Do you know what these cable
>alternatives are officially called? Do the aerobatic pilots that use the
>solid "ribbons" instead of cable suffer from the same vibration problems that
>we do? Do you or any of the other list members have any experiance using
>these instead of cables? I have thought of using these instead of cables on
>the tail feathers because they are more streamlined and they look good. Any
>idea where to get these?
>
>Also, has anyone found a fix to stop the noise of the cables that go thru the
>boom tube?
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Hello Kolbers,
I have been reading all the interesting post attempting to learn as much about
Kolbs as possible. So far I have gained a lot of knowledge, but have not had much
to offer in return. I'm sure that after I begin my project M3X I will have
plenty of questions and will continue to learn. As an effort to offer something
in return, to the list, I am offering my assistance to any and all on part
numbers, prices and availability of any of the products offered by NAPA. I manage
a NAPA store and have access to everything in their line. Plus an extensive
resource of books tech info at my fingertips. Perhaps this may help some of
you and I can repay to some for the good insight that I have found thus far. With
24 years of experience of automotive parts (Ford/GM/Nissan/NAPA) I have thought
of several parts I have sold along the way that may be helpful here. I am
in no way trying to solicit parts business here,got plenty of that!, however
from a pro I can honestly say that the help you seek at your local stores may
not be all you can get because most counterman today rely on computers to match
an application rather than knowing what is available in their product line.
For example, did you know that most NAPA stores stock aircraft cable? And most
as mine stock's the spiffy yellow fuel line used in two cycle applications.
Another example, from my Nissan days I remember a very nice stainless steel very
small hose clamp that can be found on most imports. If any of this is any help
I welcome your questions and are glad to help. I'm sure I can learn as well.
Thanks
Paul
N4958P
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| Subject: | Re: spark plug wire spreader thingies |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Denny,speedshop item. Try Summit Racing Equipment,
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>, I am offering my assistance to any and all on part numbers, prices and
>availability of any of the products offered by NAPA. I manage a NAPA store
>and have access to everything in their line.
Thanks for the offer the only rule is "do not mention Sea Foam". Any
chance you can locate a windshield for a Cimbria kit car?
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Officially called Flying wires, made by Mcwhite
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| Subject: | making steep climbouts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: b young <byoung@brigham.net>
I enjoy making steep climbouts, (40MPH at full
throttle with 912), but maybe that's cutting it a bit close
(comments
John H?). Is a more airspeed and less angle called for?
=======================================
during testing i found that the best lift to drag ratio was
55 indicated..... speeds above or below that speed would
result in a slower climb out...... personally i like 60
even then i get told that i am quite steep. in my
humble opinion 40 is an accident waiting to happen.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: b young <byoung@brigham.net>
Can a 72" prop be used on a Mark III Classic with a
912 engine?
Mark R. Sellers
Kolb Twinstar Mark III, N496BM
=============================
72 and 2 blade would probably work.... prop manufactures
for both 3 blade props i have owned recomended 68 inch
versions.
boyd
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| Subject: | installing the H section |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: b young <byoung@brigham.net>
> I am installing the H section in the spar. I was
expecting to have to
grease the the bracket but decided to try it without grease
first. The H
section just slide right in. I think it may be a little
loose. I have the
H section in the spar with the bolt in place and 4 clecos at
10.25 " from
the center of the 1/2" bolt. Now my questions: I removed
the bolt and
measured a 1/32 " gap between the spar tube and the H
section at the bolt
hole. Is this acceptable? Can I squeeze it down with the
bolt while I make
up the rivets? I removed one of the clecos and measured a
1/16 " gap
between the H section and the wing spar. Is this
acceptable? Can I take a
clamp and squeeze the spar down to the H section while
drilling the holes
and installing clecos?
>
=============================
before i pulled any rivets i would make sure that the h
section had the proper dimentions.... i would check the
spar for roundness... if by pulling the spar in to fit the
h section makes the spar an oval shape it will make fiting
the ribs harder... if the spar is oval now and by pulling
it in makes it round then i think i would start pulling
rivets.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Aircraft Spruce calls them cowling safety pins.AN416-1 .051 wire AN416-2 .041
wire .23&.17cents ea.
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| Subject: | Air flow and resonance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
Kolbers,
Below is a link to a classic on resonance and wind. I don't believe any of
our lift struts vibrate with quite this much amplitude but it starts the same
way.
Steven Green
N58SG
do not archive
<A HREF="http://sciencejoywagon.com/physicszone/lesson/09waves/resonan/tacoma.htm">Click
here: Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse
http://sciencejoywagon.com/physicszone/lesson/09waves/resonan/tacoma.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@advanced-connect.net>
Paul,
When you have nothing to do, maybe you could look me up the PN for the
lightest, cost effective, electric, high pressure (60lb+) for my EFI system.
I need to install 2 in parrallel. My understanding is that they vary widely
in price, weight & relibility. I would like to go with the external mount
version. Any help pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated.
Light & reliable is my top priority. Thanks. ...Richard Swiderski
PS Can you get access to the John Deere dynamos PN AM877557 with AM101406
regulator. They put out 20 amp & weigh 4lb with regulator. At JD dealer
they get $270 & $70 for them. I have not found a nondealer source for
them..
This is quite a wish list. I guess I am testing your metal here!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Auto Parts
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Hello Kolbers,
> I have been reading all the interesting post attempting to learn as much
about Kolbs as possible. So far I have gained a lot of knowledge, but have
not had much to offer in return. I'm sure that after I begin my project M3X
I will have plenty of questions and will continue to learn. As an effort to
offer something in return, to the list, I am offering my assistance to any
and all on part numbers, prices and availability of any of the products
offered by NAPA. I manage a NAPA store and have access to everything in
their line. Plus an extensive resource of books tech info at my fingertips.
Perhaps this may help some of you and I can repay to some for the good
insight that I have found thus far. With 24 years of experience of
automotive parts (Ford/GM/Nissan/NAPA) I have thought of several parts I
have sold along the way that may be helpful here. I am in no way trying to
solicit parts business here,got plenty of that!, however from a pro I can
honestly say that the help you see!
> k at your local stores may not be all you can get because most counterman
today rely on computers to match an application rather than knowing what is
available in their product line. For example, did you know that most NAPA
stores stock aircraft cable? And most as mine stock's the spiffy yellow fuel
line used in two cycle applications. Another example, from my Nissan days I
remember a very nice stainless steel very small hose clamp that can be found
on most imports. If any of this is any help I welcome your questions and are
glad to help. I'm sure I can learn as well.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
> N4958P
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Vibrations |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/02 12:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lenvoelker@ccis.com writes:
> See, that's more than you ever wanted to know about shedding vortices. Fly
> safe and flutter free.
>
> Len Voelker
> Mark III Xtra/?
>
>
> You're good, Len....keep it up. It all makes some sense to me.
George Randolph
Akron, Oh Firestar KX with 3 blade IVO on 447
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/02 5:07:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, ul15rhb@juno.com
writes:
> Eric,
>
> Get the "easy start" safety rings. They are not hard to start or remove.
> I've been using them for 16 years and I set up and take down on every
> flight which has been over 360 setups. I would never use those safety
> clips. Not only can they come loose, but tough on the fingers.
>
> When I got my kit, I saw those clips and thought there had to be a better
> way. The rings are it.
>
> Ralph
> Original Firestar
>
>
> hey Ralph, what do you mean the easy start ones.....
wonderen George Randolph
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| Subject: | List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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And finally, below you will find the 2002 List of Contributors current as
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------------------- 2002 List of Contributors #1 -----------------
Adams, Brian
Adams, Robert
Addington, James
Alber, John
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Allen, George
Altenhein, Gary
Amundsen, Blair
Amundson, John
Andrepont, Dirk
Andrews, Myles
Applefeld, Gerald
Armstrong, Christopher
Aronson, David
Ashton, Kent
Aspegren, Roger
Atkinson, Harold
Austin, David
Awad, Ihab
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Baker, Jim
Baker, Owen
Ballenger, Jim
Barnes, Thomas
Bartrim, S.Todd
Basiliere, Rick
Bassette, Richard
Bataller, Gary
Batte, W.Granville
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beard, Harley
Bell, Bruce
Benham, Dallas
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonnie
Bergeron, Daniel
Bergner, Lee
Bernard, William
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Bertrand, Carl
Beusch, Andre
Bidle, Jerry
Bieber, Michael
Bieberdorf, Roger
Billing, Ernie
Binzer, Robert
Bird, Carroll
Blahnick, Drew
Blake, J.I.
Blake, Peter
Blomgren, Jack
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boede, Jon
Bolduc, Richard
Bona, Skip
Bonesteel, Wayne
Bookout, Ralph
Booze, Greg
Borduas, Eric
Boucher, Michel
Bourne, Larry
Bowen, Larry
Bowman, John
Boyter, Wayne
Brame, Charles
Brandon, John
Branstrom, Dan
Brasch, Glenn
Brick, John
Bridges, Glenn
Bridgham, David
Briggs, Tracy
Brocious, Bob
Bromka, Alan
Bronson, Tim
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brooks, Kenyon
Brooks, William
Broomell, Glenn
Brown, Robert
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buess, Alfred
Bulot, Larry
Burg, H.R.
Burks, Terrell
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Bush, Jerome
Butcher, Ronald
Butler, Francis
Calhoun, Ron
Calloway, Terry
Calvert, Jerry
Cameron, Todd
Cann, Tony
Cantrell, Jimmy
Capen, Ralph
Capestany, Phillip
Carey, Christopher
Carillon, John
CarillonSr., Paul
Carlisle, O.
Carroll, Randy
Carter, Ron
Casey, Jeremy
Challgren, Stanley
Champaign, Philip
Chandler, Charles
Chapman, Tom
Chapple, Glen
Checkoway, Dan
Chesterman, Dave
Christie, Bill
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clinchy, David
Cochran, Stewart
Coffey, John
Cohen, Philip
Coldenhoff, Tim
Cole, Gary
Coley, Howard
Collins, Leland
Colucci, Tony
Comfort, Gordon
Compton, Scott
Condon, Philip
Connell, Joseph
Cook, Craig
Cooper, James
Corbalis, Leo
Corbett, Corky&Isabelle
Corder, Michael
Corriveau, Grant
Cotton, David
Coulter, Annette
Coulter, Carl
Counselman, William
Coursey, William
Cox, Ronald
Craig, John
Cretsinger, Will
Crisp, Steve
Croke, Jon
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cruikshank, Bruce
Cullen, Chuck
Cummings, Tom
Currie, Robert
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalziel, Donald
Danclovic, Paul
Daniels, Jim
Dascomb, George
Daudt, Larry
Davidson, Jeff
Davis, Jared
Davis, John
Davis, Joseph
Davis, Mark
Davis, Terry
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, William
Day, Jack
Desimone, D.A., Dr
Desimone, David
Desmond, Richard
Devaney, Robert
Diehl, Donald
Dilatush, John
Dionne, Bruno
Dobson, Russell
Dodge, Larry
Donald, Woods
Dondlinger, Leo
Douglas, Lyle
Dresden, Robert
Driscoll, Patrick
Driver, Stuart
Dudley, Richard
Dupon, William
Dupuis, Real
Durr, Wendell
DuVe, Chris
Eagleston, Ron
Eaves, Donald
Eberhart, Steven
Ebsen, Kevin
Eckel, John
Eckenroth, Paul
Edwards, Bruce
Elder, William
Elia, Pete
Ellenberger, Mike
Ellis, Dale
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip
Escobar, Luis
Esterhuizen, Deon
Evans, Marion
Evans, Walt
Faatz, Mitch
Fackler, Ken
Fair, William
Faris, Kevin
Farley, David
Fasching, John
Fay, John
Feldmann, Stephen
Ferguson, Jay
Finley, John
Fishe, James
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Flamini, Dennis
Foerster, James
Fondevila, Gabriel
Fox, Byron
Fraser, Angus
Fray, Jerry
Frazier, Ford
Freeman, James
Fricke, Walt
Frisby, James
Fromm, John
Frost, George
Fry, John
Frye, Dwight
Frymire, Terry
Fulgham, Bill
Fulmer, Joseph
Fung, Sean
Gardner, Albert
Garner, John
Garrou, Douglas
Gassmann, Andrew
Gates, Leo
Genzlinger, Reade
George, William
German, Mark
Gherkins, Tim
Gibbons, Chip
Gilbert, Mark
Gillespie, R.L.
Gillies, Patty
Glasgow, Steve
Glass, Roy
Goble, Loren
Golden, Dennis
Gonzalez, Manuel
Good, Chris
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Goudinoff, Peter
Grabb, Gary
Graham, W.Doyce
Grajek, Al
Graumlich, Thomas
Graumlich, Tom
Grebe, David
Green, Roger
Green, Steven
Greene, Tim
Grentzer, Edward
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Robert
Guidroz, Thomas
Gummo, Thomas
Gustafson, Aaron
Guthrie, Mark
Haertlein, Frank
Hallsten, Keith
Hallsten, Kent
Hamer, Steve
Hancock, Barry
Hand, Chris
Hankins, Roger
Hanrahan, Jamie
Hansen, Richard
Hanson, Kevin
Hardaway, Mike
Harding, Scott
Hargis, Merle
Harman, Richard
Harmon, John
Harmon, Loren
Harrill, Ken
Harris, John
Harris, Richard
Hart, Daniel
Hart, Jack
Hartl, Paul
Hartselle, Richard
Hartson, Wesley
Hartwig, Richard
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Hasper, Jim
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Hatfield, Cecil
Hauck, John
Hawkins, Harry
Hawkins, Larry
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Hegler, Freddie
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Henderson, Neil
Herminghaus, John
Herren, William
Herrick, David
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Hickman, Robert
Hill, Jeff
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Hill, Stanley
Himes, Joe
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Hinrichsen, James
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Hoffman, Allan
Hoffman, Carl
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Hoffmann, Thomas
Holifield, Stephen
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Huft, John
Hughes, Robert
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Hunsicker, Greg
Hunt, Jim
Hunt, Robin
Hurlbut, Steve
Hutchinson, Harold
Hutchison, Tom
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Inman, George
Isaacs, Robert
Isler, Jerry
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Jenkins, John
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Krok, Peter
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Laird, David
Lamb, Billie
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Landmann, Doug
Lannon, Walter
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Lasecki, Robert
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Latimer, Jerry
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Lekven, Carl
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Lerohl, Gaylen Terminaltown
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Lewis, Tim
Licking, Lawrence
Lifer, Craig
Liming, Gary
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Lloyd, Brian
Loar, Carl
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Long, Eugene
Long, Jim
Longcrier, Thurman
Longino, Dana
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Lundborg, Craig
Lundin, Richard
Lundquist, David
Lutgring, Thomas
Lynch, Charles
Macchiaverna, Andrew
Macdonald, Dave
Macdonald, Larry
Mack, Don
Mackay, Alex
Madden, Peter
Mains, Ralph
Malczynski, Francis
Malich, Gunter
Markle, Jim
Markwell, Cleone
Marlow, Sam
Marshall, F.Robert
Marshall, Nigel
Martin, Bryan
Martin, Jay
Martin, Richard
Mason, Ron
Massari, Steve
Mattson, Doug
Maziarz, Dpnald
Mcbride, Duncan
Mccallister, Don
Mccallum, Robert
Mccracken, Ted
Mcfarland, Larry
Mcfarlane, Lloyd
Mcgehee, Tom
Mcgregor, Bruce
Mcintosh, Wayne
Mcintyre, Jay
Mckelvey, David
Mckenna, Mike
Mcleod, Neil
Medeiros, Joel
Medema, Doug
Meiste, Kelly
Mekeel, Donald
Mensink, Will
Merchant, Dean
Messinger, Paul
Metz, Lowell
Meyers, Jess
Meyers, John
Meyn, Wolfgang
Michel, Paul
Milgrom, Mark
Miller, David
Miller, Jim&dondi
Mills, Bill
Minewiser, Jim
Mitchell, Bill
Mitchell, Duane
Mitchell, Graham
Moak, Ken
Montagne, Raymond
Montoure, Ken
Morehead, Cj
Morelli, William
Morgan, Mark
Morin, Mauri
Morison, James
Morley, Harold
Morphis, George
Morrow, Dan
Mosier, Colby
Moulin, Roger
Moyle, John
Mrotzek, Dan
Mucker, Matthew
Mudge, Ronald
Muegge, James
Mueller, Mike
Mulherin, Harold
Murray, Glenn
Murray, Ronald
Murrill, Bob
Myers, John
Natho, Paul
Navratil, Richard
Neilsen, Richard
Neitzel, Richard
Nellis, Mike
Newkirk, Bill
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Nickson, Dennis
Norman, Jim
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Orear, Jeff
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Payne, Ron
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Reuterskiold, John
Rice, Mike
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Rogers, Ken
Rohling, William
Romine, Chris
Ron, Dewees
Rosenberg, Ran
Rowe, Dennis
Rozendaal, Doug
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Sa, Carlos
Safford, Brad
Salter, Phillip
Salzman, Mike
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Sargent, Thomas
Sax, Samuel
Schiff, Nathan
Schneider, Werner
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:41:17 EST GeoR38@aol.com writes:
> > hey Ralph, what do you mean the easy start ones.....
>
> wonderen George Randolph
George,
The ring overlaps so that it will not come off (like a key ring), but the
inner overlap is bent to the center so it can be started and wound around
without prying apart the overlaps with the fingers. Does that make sense?
Ralph
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
This has bothered me some, and Boyd, you make some good points, as usual.
The thing I would worry about here, is that pop rivets are great in shear,
but very poor in tension. If there's a gap between the spar walls, and the
H-section, I would find out why, as Boyd says. Maybe even have new
H-sections made. Relying on pop rivets to hold that spar tight to the
H-section seems very chancey to me.................try pulling a spar out of
round with a clamp, and you'll see how much force it takes. (I had the
opposite problem: I had to squeeze my spars slightly out of round to get
the H-section in, without scratching. With the Stanley squeeze clamps, it
was VERY difficult) Then pop rivet 2 scrap pieces of heavy material
together, and pry them apart................it'll scare you. DON'T use pop
rivets in tension ! ! ! Concerned Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "b young" <byoung@brigham.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: installing the H section
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: b young <byoung@brigham.net>
>
> > I am installing the H section in the spar. I was
> expecting to have to
> grease the the bracket but decided to try it without grease
> first. The H
> section just slide right in. I think it may be a little
> loose. I have the
> H section in the spar with the bolt in place and 4 clecos at
> 10.25 " from
> the center of the 1/2" bolt. Now my questions: I removed
> the bolt and
> measured a 1/32 " gap between the spar tube and the H
> section at the bolt
> hole. Is this acceptable? Can I squeeze it down with the
> bolt while I make
> up the rivets? I removed one of the clecos and measured a
> 1/16 " gap
> between the H section and the wing spar. Is this
> acceptable? Can I take a
> clamp and squeeze the spar down to the H section while
> drilling the holes
> and installing clecos?
> >
> =============================
>
> before i pulled any rivets i would make sure that the h
> section had the proper dimentions.... i would check the
> spar for roundness... if by pulling the spar in to fit the
> h section makes the spar an oval shape it will make fiting
> the ribs harder... if the spar is oval now and by pulling
> it in makes it round then i think i would start pulling
> rivets.
>
> boyd
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/3/02 11:47:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ul15rhb@juno.com writes:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:41:17 EST GeoR38@aol.com writes:
> >>hey Ralph, what do you mean the easy start ones.....
> >
> >wonderen George Randolph
>
> George,
>
> The ring overlaps so that it will not come off (like a key ring), but the
> inner overlap is bent to the center so it can be started and wound around
> without prying apart the overlaps with the fingers. Does that make sense?
>
> Ralph
>
> YUP
GR
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Wow Paul,
You NAPA guys are as good as Michael Waltrip says you are.
Thanks,
Denny
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