---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/04/02: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 AM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (Vincehallam@aol.com) 2. 04:13 AM - Sky tech and NAPA (Ed Steuber) 3. 07:36 AM - Re: Lift Strut Vibrations (Larry Bourne) 4. 08:01 AM - The Loss of Fly Baby N96MG (Bob Bean) 5. 08:38 AM - Painting the Nose (Kenneth Broste) 6. 01:29 PM - Re: Painting the Nose (Bruce McElhoe) 7. 01:39 PM - Re: Painting the Nose (Kenny) 8. 02:42 PM - Fuel Pumps (Paul Petty) 9. 02:54 PM - Re: Painting the Nose (SGreenpg@aol.com) 10. 04:45 PM - Re: Gascolators for auto fuel (Richard Harris) 11. 05:18 PM - Gascolators---material compatibility (SGreenpg@aol.com) 12. 05:37 PM - Skydat (Paul Petty) 13. 06:02 PM - Re: Skydat (Robert Laird) 14. 06:06 PM - Re: Skydat (Robert Laird) 15. 06:12 PM - Re: Skydat (Robert Laird) 16. 06:16 PM - Re: Gascolators---material compatibility (Bill Futrell) 17. 06:19 PM - Re: Skydat (Richard Harris) 18. 07:20 PM - Re: Skydat (John Cooley) 19. 07:31 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps (Richard Swiderski) 20. 07:38 PM - Re: Skydat vs ESI (Richard Swiderski) 21. 07:47 PM - Aviation memorabilia (Peter Volum) 22. 09:13 PM - Re: safety pins (Richard Tonry) 23. 10:37 PM - Re: Kolb Flying (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:37 AM PST US From: Vincehallam@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lift Strut Vibrations --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com Ive seen elliptical or lentil cross section wires criss crossed on biplanes drop x section where the fat bit is at the back i.e. "wrong way round". some tall chimneys have a spiral strip welded round to kill the oscillating vortex You should look at the smoke off a tall chimney on a stable day to see what happens behind a cylinder.Hang gliders sometimes use spiral wound multi strand wing wires which normally dont seem to vibrate much Vnz ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:57 AM PST US From: "Ed Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: Sky tech and NAPA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" Steve, I have a question about the streamline stuts at Skytech. I am thinking of using these struts on a Modified Ultrastar and not sure if an aluminum or steel square tube should be inserted for strength lengthwise. The large airfoil strut will "probably " be sufficient with just steel fittings for attachment as in Cessna 150's etc.but I do not want to experiment with such important structure....anybody out there have a drawing that will correspond with the weight ,strength requirement of The US or Firefly....Trying to keep the weight manageable. Ed in Western NY I always thought NAPA stood for "New Aircraft Parts & Accessories " ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:07 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lift Strut Vibrations --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I've seen 2 biplanes - I believe Pitts', but I won't swear to it - that started off with McWhite flying wires, and switched to round because of a problem. Can't remember the details, but 1 of them was owned by a friend of Tom Kuffel in Whitefish, MT. Tom, if you're still monitoring the List, maybe you could fill us in. Thanks. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lift Strut Vibrations > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com > > Ive seen elliptical or lentil cross section wires criss crossed on biplanes > drop x section where the fat bit is at the back i.e. "wrong way round". some > tall chimneys have a spiral strip welded round to kill the oscillating vortex > You should look at the smoke off a tall chimney on a stable day to see what > happens behind a cylinder.Hang gliders sometimes use spiral wound multi > strand wing wires which normally dont seem to vibrate much > Vnz > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:54 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: The Loss of Fly Baby N96MG --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean http://home1.gte.net/ikvamar/flybaby/hinton.htm Here's a little article on vibration-induced failure -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:37 AM PST US From: "Kenneth Broste" Subject: Kolb-List: Painting the Nose --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kenneth Broste" what did you find worked best for getting the paint to adhere to the surface? I'm planning on using a fine grit sandpaper to rough up the surface. Is there some solution a person could use on the surface versus roughing up the surface? Kenny Tucson ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:52 PM PST US From: "Bruce McElhoe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting the Nose --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" Kenny, We just finished our Firefly and flew it this week. I smoothed the nose with 400 paper and primed with the white (Poly--) two-part epoxy. Sanded that a little, then finished with the white Poly-Tone that we used everywhere. It came out real nice. We put the Poly-Tone in the freezer the night before so it would dry slowly and flow out better. We're pleased with the semi-shine that resulted. I don't think we'll even rub it out, even though we expected to. Regards, Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88 Reedley, Calif. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kenneth Broste" > > > what did you find worked best for getting the paint to adhere to the > surface? I'm planning on using a fine grit sandpaper to rough up the > surface. Is there some solution a person could use on the surface versus > roughing up the surface? > > Kenny > Tucson > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:09 PM PST US From: "Kenny " Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting the Nose --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kenny " I called Jim and Dondi at Aircraft Tech Support and they told me just about the same thing you said. I have never dealt with a company that goes as far as they do in taking care of their customers. The poly-fiber how to book goes through it step by step. Thanks Kenny Tucson DO NOT ARCHIVE > [Original Message] > From: Bruce McElhoe > To: > Date: 12/4/2002 2:29:10 PM > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting the Nose > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" > > Kenny, > > We just finished our Firefly and flew it this week. I smoothed the nose > with 400 paper and primed with the white (Poly--) two-part epoxy. Sanded > that a little, then finished with the white Poly-Tone that we used > everywhere. It came out real nice. > > We put the Poly-Tone in the freezer the night before so it would dry slowly > and flow out better. We're pleased with the semi-shine that resulted. I > don't think we'll even rub it out, even though we expected to. > > Regards, > > Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88 > Reedley, Calif. > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kenneth Broste" > > > > > > > what did you find worked best for getting the paint to adhere to the > > surface? I'm planning on using a fine grit sandpaper to rough up the > > surface. Is there some solution a person could use on the surface versus > > roughing up the surface? > > > > Kenny > > Tucson > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:10 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Pumps --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Richard, Took some time today to explore the fuel pump numbers. Here is what I found so far. Napa offers several pumps. First is part number P5000 it produces 75 psi and cost 99.00 bucks. Do not have a weight on it but ordered one today and I'll weight it tomorrow and get back to you. The others that I have in stock are 2P74028 for 62.99 and P74028 for 94.84 these both produce 90-100 psi and weigh 615 grams or 1.2 pounds. I have a set of digital scales to mix paint with and that's how I came up with that. the "2P" is just a cheaper version called tru-flow. They are both made by federal mogul and are very reliable, if the application is correct. The key to these pumps is that you will need a fuel return circuit. This allows the fuel flow to remain at max to cool the electric motors. Otherwise they will burn up quick! Also you mentioned installing in parallel. These pumps will not allow fuel flow if not pumping. You will have to incorporate a bypass/check valve in to the circuit. Part # 1691002. I'm sure you have already thought this through but incase you haven't perhaps this will help. One more note, I don't know how you plan to incorporate a safety shut off switch into the system, but on cars they use an inertia switch that will shut down the pumps in case of a crash and the fuel lines become severed. Back in the 80's ford used a frame mounted fuel pump like the P74028 and we were goofing around one day and made a water gun out of one that was defective. That this will shoot liquid 30-40 feet! As for the John Deere parts, the numbers would not cross to anything available aftermarket. I did call the local dealer to see what they fit so I could check it that way but no luck. He did quote me 145.49 as retail and 60.51 on the regulator. Perhaps your dealer is building a Kolb and needs the extra money:-) By the way what engine are you using that has EFI? Later Paul ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:54 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Painting the Nose --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com In a message dated 12/4/02 11:39:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, kenandmona@earthlink.net writes: > What did you find worked best for getting the paint to adhere to the > surface? I'm planning on using a fine grit sandpaper to rough up the > surface. Is there some solution a person could use on the surface versus > roughing up the surface? > > Kenny > Tucson > Kenny, If you have already talked to Jim or Dondi they probably told you to sand the surface with "Poly 400" and then prime with "Poly" two part epoxy then sand with "Poly 600" and finally apply "Poly enamel", that matches your "Polytone" paint, with your "Poly" HVLP gun. Well, with the exception of the Poly sand paper, this is how I painted my nose cone. I agree with your statement about customer support. A few years from now you can lookup the definition of customer support and it will simply say "Jim & Dondi". Steven Green N58SG 213 hrs ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:13 PM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolators for auto fuel --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Richard, I thought you still had the homemade gascolator, no please don't go buy one. I think can do it from your information already posted... Richard Harris MK3 N912RH Lewisville, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolators for auto fuel > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > So now I need to stop by the auto parts store and buy a filter just so I > can play with the web page some more? OK, I can do that. > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > At 06:28 PM 12/2/02 -0600, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" > > > >Richard, sounds like a great idea, and cheap too. I think I got the > >picture, but why not post a pic on your web-sight? > > That part about being retired, I know better, because my Father-in-law is > >a supposedly retired preacher, so I know you guys never really retire. > >Folks won't let you. > >Thanks for the info on the home made gascolator.. > > > > > >Richard Harris > >MK3 N912RH > >Lewisville, Arkansas > > > >: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolators for auto fuel > > > > > >Being retired and a notable cheapskate & scrounge, I discovered that a > >> gascolator is very cheap and easy to make. The idea behind a gascolator is > >> simple: water sinks and gas sits on top of it. So I went down to Autozone > >> and here was this wall covered with about 50 different kinds of white > >nylon > >> automotive fuel filters, right out in the open so you could examine them. > >I > >> got one with the inlet and outlet on the same level, and the body or bowl > >> of the filter about as big as a coffee cup, and below the level of the > >> inlets and outlets, cost under $3. > >> > >> Drilled a hole in the bottom of the bowl to fit a rubber fuel tank > >grommet, > >> (CPS catalog #7030, $.95) then stuck the barbed end of an elbow tank > >> fitting (CPS catalog #7032, $2.95) through the grommet. Hooked a drain > >line > >> to the fitting and ran it to an external low point on the system and > >capped > >> it off with a valve. (Already had that, actually had all the hardware > >> stuff, so I was primed...) > >> > >> The fuel (water?) would come in through the inlet and go into the bowl > >part > >> first, and then through the filtering matrix and then up and out through > >> the other port. The water would lay in the bottom, and it would probably > >> hold nearly a 1/2 pint of water before it would get up to the outlet. > >> > >> Less than $10 in the whole rig, and it weighed just a few ounces. The guts > >> inside the one I fooled with were not paper, but if they were, I would > >> probably have grubbed any paper gasket material out, because I have heard > >> that wet filter paper does not pass premix, and my old 532 uses premix. > >But > >> if you are using oil injection, and straight gasoline is going into the > >> filter, it would probably work OK. (Test it and make sure!) Once you make > >> the first one, it becomes very easy, I actually bought two filters, one to > >> practice on, and the second one to get right. > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:08 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Gascolators---material compatibility --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com Kolbers, Below is a link to an excellent compatibility chart for different rubbers. I would suspect that the gasket material in a gascolator that is labeled "for avgas only" is viton which has an excellent compatibility with gasoline but marginal for ethanol. It looks like buna-n would be a good selection for auto fuel. Steven Green N58SG Click here: O-Ring Compatibility Guide http://www.marcorubber.com/compatibility.htm ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:28 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hey Guys, Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:04 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 07:41 PM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Hey Guys, >Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? >http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html I had one on a trike that I owned a while back. I had an earlier version, but it had all the engine instrumentation and the GPS as well. Actually it was pretty cool, but there were two or three issues I had with it: 1) It was relatively fragile to electrical spikes, so you had to be very careful not to have it on when powering the engine off or on. 2) The contrast was poor... not terrible, but enough to make me grumble sometimes as I was trying to make out details, particularly with the GPS map. The newer versions _LOOK_ like they've improved that, but you'll have to be the judge. 3) The most important "problem": Mine seemed to be very sensitive to voltages even just a hair under 12 volts, so if my battery got just a little weak, I'd lose EVERYTHING... I once had to fly home with ZERO instrumentation due to that problem. I have to admit that, when it was working, it was pretty nice to have... it gave a lot of information in a very small area, seemed to be well thought-out (with the exceptions noted above), and showing data in a analog-style was much better IMO than the ones that just show all the numbers. The system was on the trike when I bought it, but I understand that builders like the idea of having all the sensors run to the "black box" and only one digital cable runs from the black box to the display. On the other hands, that _is_ putting all your eggs in one basket. I was always a little uneasy about that. With individual gauges... say you lost your airspeed, you could still rely on your tach, and vice versa. As I learned the hard way, with the SkyDat, you lose one, you've lost 'em all. So, like any solution, it probably depends on whether the problem(s) it _causes_ can be dealt with better than the problems associated with the _other_ solution. ;-) -- Robert ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:10 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 07:41 PM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Hey Guys, >Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? >http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html Oh, one other thing I just remembered...: There was a fairly significant lag-time between a change and that change registering on the display, for example, dipping the nose and the VSI would not show the descent for 0.5 to 1.0 seconds... the airspeed, too, was a bit slow in registering a change. I say "significant" but maybe for you it won't be... I got used to it and it didn't bother me too much, but at first it was a little irritating. -- R ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:22 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 07:41 PM 12/4/2002, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Hey Guys, >Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? >http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html Er, I'm too young for a "senior moment" but I think I just had one... I did say that it had been a while since I owned that trike, right? :-( Anyway, the unit I owned was NOT a SkyDat, but a Digifly DU8... All the comments I made are about the Digifly, but I'm sure the SkyDat's positive qualities are as good as, if not better than, the Digifly. Here's a picture of the Digifly DU8: http://rtlaird.ath.cx:99/Aviation/digifly1.jpg Sorry about the mix-up. -- Robert ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:02 PM PST US From: "Bill Futrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gascolators---material compatibility --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Futrell" Kolb Flyers I talked to ACS manufacturing today. They are the manufacture of the gascolator that Aircraft Spruce sells.The gasket that they use is for aviation fuel only. They said that auto fuel will not dissolve their gasket but cause it to swell. I suggested that they start using a material that would be good for both ,aviation and auto fuel.I was told that my suggestion would be considered. I think in the spring I will remove their gasket and cut one from a material that is compatible with out fuel. The one that came with has not leaked at all and it has fuel in it for over a year. I will check out this place S Green is talking about. You could also go to automotive supply and get material. I still like the gascolator because it is strong ,has a mounting bracket, and a drain cock on the bottom to drain some fuel when you do your pre-flight. Bill Futrell Do Not Archive----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Gascolators---material compatibility > --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > Kolbers, > Below is a link to an excellent compatibility chart for different rubbers. I > would suspect that the gasket material in a gascolator that is labeled "for > avgas only" is viton which has an excellent compatibility with gasoline but > marginal for ethanol. It looks like buna-n would be a good selection for > auto fuel. > > Steven Green > N58SG > > > Click here: O-Ring Compatibility Guide > > http://www.marcorubber.com/compatibility.htm > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:05 PM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Not me Paul, my gadget is a EIS, works great, and customer service that you have never experienced before... Talk to Greg !! company is Grand Rapids Technology Richard Harris MK3 N912RH Lewisville, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Skydat > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Hey Guys, > Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? > http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:25 PM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" Hi Gang, I think the EIS is a great instrument. It seems to be very durable even though I've only used it for 130 or so hours. The red warning light can be an engine saver for folks less experienced with 2 strokes. Price is very reasonable also. The customer service is close to Jim and Dondi Miller IMHO. "do not archive" Later, John Cooley Firestar II > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" > > Not me Paul, my gadget is a EIS, works great, and customer service that you > have never experienced before... Talk to Greg !! > > company is Grand Rapids Technology > > > Richard Harris > MK3 N912RH > Lewisville, Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Petty" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Skydat > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > Hey Guys, > > Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? > > http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:35 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Pumps --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Paul, WOW! You sure did some work. Thank you. I am building a 3 cylinder, 4 stroke, turbo charged, Suzuki based engine. Its a hybrid of an 87 Chevy Sprint, a Geo Metro & Canadian Firefly. It's port injection uses a regulated fuel supply with a return fuel line. The stock fuel pump is tank mounted & I thus my search for another pump, plus I wanted redundancy. Maybe one pump is reasonable enough, it would be simpler & lighter. I assumed I'd need a check valve on both pumps in case either one failed, but I haven't yet researched a valve so your PN is a big help. I've had this project on the shelf for the last year due to health problem & am just now starting up agian. My memoy is a liitle fussy about the fuel sysrtem control of thr fuel pump. As I recall, the system shuts them on & off as fuel is required. I need to get back to the schmatic & reread as to wether it shuts the pumps off as they are neded, or leave them recirculating all the time I got an inertia shut off switch, but again, I'm afraid to install it as a hard landing or rough thermal might de-actvate them. I got lots of decisions to make yet.. I checked those John Deere priced in the next town & they are virtually identrical to yours. Thanks agian Paul for your help. I'm looking forwaord to getting with you about the best choice for the pump. Take Care. Richard Swiserski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Pumps > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Richard, > > Took some time today to explore the fuel pump numbers. Here is what I found so far. Napa offers several pumps. First is part number P5000 it produces 75 psi and cost 99.00 bucks. Do not have a weight on it but ordered one today and I'll weight it tomorrow and get back to you. The others that I have in stock are 2P74028 for 62.99 and P74028 for 94.84 these both produce 90-100 psi and weigh 615 grams or 1.2 pounds. I have a set of digital scales to mix paint with and that's how I came up with that. the "2P" is just a cheaper version called tru-flow. They are both made by federal mogul and are very reliable, if the application is correct. The key to these pumps is that you will need a fuel return circuit. This allows the fuel flow to remain at max to cool the electric motors. Otherwise they will burn up quick! Also you mentioned installing in parallel. These pumps will not allow fuel flow if not pumping. You will have to incorporate a bypass/check valve in to the circuit. Pa! > rt # 1691002. I'm sure you have already thought this through but incase you haven't perhaps this will help. One more note, I don't know how you plan to incorporate a safety shut off switch into the system, but on cars they use an inertia switch that will shut down the pumps in case of a crash and the fuel lines become severed. Back in the 80's ford used a frame mounted fuel pump like the P74028 and we were goofing around one day and made a water gun out of one that was defective. That this will shoot liquid 30-40 feet! > As for the John Deere parts, the numbers would not cross to anything available aftermarket. I did call the local dealer to see what they fit so I could check it that way but no luck. He did quote me 145.49 as retail and 60.51 on the regulator. Perhaps your dealer is building a Kolb and needs the extra money:-) > By the way what engine are you using that has EFI? > > Later > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:23 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat vs ESI --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" I have a ESI as well & fully endorse Richard Harris opionion. they are super people, interesrd in your project, & honest to boot! ..Richard Swiderski ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Skydat > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" > > Not me Paul, my gadget is a EIS, works great, and customer service that you > have never experienced before... Talk to Greg !! > > company is Grand Rapids Technology > > > Richard Harris > MK3 N912RH > Lewisville, Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Petty" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Skydat > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > > > Hey Guys, > > Have any of you,are do any of you use this gaget? > > http://www.sportflyingshop.com/Instr/Skydat_GX1/skydat_gx1.html > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:48 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Aviation memorabilia --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" NOT Kolb related! However, in case any of you have some old aviation memorabilia for sale, you might be interested in seeing how much this old empty PanAm beer can sold for. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=735873337 A six pack would pay for a hangar full of Kolbs! do not archive PV ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:01 PM PST US From: "Richard Tonry" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety pins --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Tonry" My Buddy changed all the pins with bolts and castle nuts secured with cotter pins. Makes for folding the wing a little more time consuming, but he never folds them anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety pins > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > In a message dated 12/3/02 11:47:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ul15rhb@juno.com writes: > > > On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:41:17 EST GeoR38@aol.com writes: > > >>hey Ralph, what do you mean the easy start ones..... > > > > > >wonderen George Randolph > > > > George, > > > > The ring overlaps so that it will not come off (like a key ring), but the > > inner overlap is bent to the center so it can be started and wound around > > without prying apart the overlaps with the fingers. Does that make sense? > > > > Ralph > > > > YUP > > GR > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:50 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Flying --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I use an electronic bathroom scale, do one wheel at a time, it is pretty consistent. I have a piece of 5/8" plywood between the wheel and the scale so the scale doesn't bend. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 01:14 AM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > > > >John W. and others, >I'm to the part where I need to do the weight and balance on my Mark III. >Bathroom scales seem inconsistent and unreliable. What have other Kolbers >done when it came time to weigh in? >Thanx, > > >N57KB, Mark III 98% >Bob > > >Campbellsburg, Kentucky > > >From: "John Williamson" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Flying >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:29:55 -0600 > >-- Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > >John H. Friends, > >How many hours and how is the Jabiru performing? 146 hours and it runs good. >When the temp drops below 50 degrees OAT it does get hard to start. > >What is your fuel burn, what rpm, and what cruise airspeed? For the last 46 >hours it has averaged 4.2 gph at mostly 2800 rpm and 80 mph. > >How about all up weight on take off? With my 12 gallon aus tank and camping >equipment in the back seat, my TOW has been 918 lbs. > >The best thing, it has been a lot of fun to get back down close to the >ground. > > >John Williamson >Arlington, TX >N49KK, Kolb Kolbra, Jabiru 2200, 146 hours >http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot/ > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > > >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection >service: 2 months FREE* > >