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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: new generation engine (Dave Rains)
2. 05:13 AM - fuel tank (Bob Bean)
3. 05:31 AM - Aluminum angle (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (John Russell)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/05/02 (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
6. 06:32 AM - Re: Metal Resourse ? (Christopher Armstrong)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (jerb)
8. 07:48 AM - Re: fuel tank (Richard Pike)
9. 07:52 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Richard Pike)
10. 08:33 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Larry Bourne)
11. 09:04 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Bob Bean)
12. 09:52 AM - MkIII down in Arkansas (Ed Chmielewski)
13. 12:00 PM - fuel line in top of alum tank (b young)
14. 12:28 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Gene Ledbetter)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: Heaters again (Timandjan@aol.com)
16. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Heaters again (Jeremy Casey)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (ul15rhb@juno.com)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Heaters again (J.D. Stewart)
19. 01:48 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Dallas Shepherd)
20. 02:05 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Jeremy Casey)
21. 02:09 PM - =OD's and all those numbers and letters (Dallas Shepherd)
22. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Larry Bourne)
23. 03:10 PM - Partly built dragonfly (Kevin Jones)
24. 03:49 PM - Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) (John Hauck)
25. 03:58 PM - Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) (John Hauck)
26. 04:49 PM - Re: Engine Bulletins (GeoR38@aol.com)
27. 05:24 PM - OD's (Dallas Shepherd)
28. 05:27 PM - software (Dallas Shepherd)
29. 06:49 PM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (Richard Swiderski)
30. 06:56 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Bob Bean)
31. 07:01 PM - Heaters, sorry about the email to the list (Timandjan@aol.com)
32. 07:02 PM - Re: software (jerb)
33. 07:04 PM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (Richard Swiderski)
34. 07:06 PM - Re: One less Kolb (John Hauck)
35. 07:37 PM - Re: One less Kolb (Peter Volum)
36. 07:37 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Bob Bean)
37. 07:49 PM - MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra (Paul Petty)
38. 07:57 PM - Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum)
39. 09:25 PM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: new generation engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Yeah, I received an e-mail from him with the promise the engine would be ready
by Sep 02. They keep backing up the available date.
do not archive
Dave Rains
-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Cowan [SMTP:tcowan1917@direcway.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new generation engine
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
Just for info and amusement. Check out the new concept motor from the smart
guy. Building the special FAR 103 helo. Go to: http://aerotwinmotors.com/
. Received email stating be ready for sale next year at about $6500.
Projects 80 lbs complete, 65 hp and 65 hundred bucks. cant wait to see how
this works. Just thought some might like to know. BTW, the airscooter is
at: www.airscooter.com
ted
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Greetings from the arctic NE. I've installed the standard 2 five gal tanks
on my MkIII and intend to draw off the top. Has anyone used or have
an opinion of using the weighted flop tube arrangement vs a rigid pickup?
- BB
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message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
Hey, Richard....Svinga Brothers, off Magnolia in Ocala. If you
haven't been there, e-mail off list. Give Jerry D. a call.....he may
have some leftovers. The angle I've used from Svingas' has the
composition stamped in/on it repetitively in its length, like every two
feet.
Glad to see you're feeling better and sorry I missed ya this trip, my
friend.
See ya soon.....
Hillbilly Mike in WV
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 |
-0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Russell" <jr@rometool.com>
www.mcmaster.com is a great source for all sorts of stuff, including
aluminum.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/05/02 |
message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
Going over the e-mail.....I subscribe to the Rotax bulletins as they are
published.....you guys ever notice how many service bulletins and AD's
are published concerning the 912-914 series? Lordy, it's gotta keep a
feller busy just complyin'....givya somepin to do in th' winter months.
Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about
them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones.
Now, don't anybody take offense.....
Enjoy life....
Mike in WV
FSII
do not archive
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| Subject: | Metal Resourse ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
I generally would not consider aluminum as a great choice for an engine
mount, because it tends to crack due to vibration. it you use it, pay
exceptional attention to the surface finish, basically polish the whole
thing, including the insides of the holes!
topher
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them all
the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any
problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by
far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should
squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will
not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on there
10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only
holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube
can not be pulled out.
OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long
in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction
of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the
end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot.
jerb
At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel lines.
>For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial
>appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My experience
>has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables.
>Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down too
>tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things.
>1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to be
>taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze down
>the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4" tubing,
>if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd have
>more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to boot.
>On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly
>well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut till
>it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You
>wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding applications,
>(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application, we
>use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd recommend
>against them. Lar.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> >
> > You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube compression to
> > 3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored through
> > for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing stops,
>you
> > may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through your
> > self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does not
> > have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I would
> > think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal for a
> > liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through the
> > fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be
> > available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD piece
> > of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the
>compression
> > part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but probably
> > difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at
> > industrial-instrumentation supply houses.
> > Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting:
> >
>http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctdBored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu
>mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb
> >
> >
> > At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
> > >
> > >What is askng price?
> > >kj
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Dave Stroberg" <dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
> > >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg"
><dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
> > > >
> > > > Howdy Listers,
> > > >
> > > > Happy hollidays to all.
> > > > I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with the
>welded
> > >3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have
>four
> > >of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom. Aircraft
> > >Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of the
>tank,
> > >but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort of
>way
> > >to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting.
> > > >
> > > > Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian.
> > > > Building MarkIII.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas
>present
> > >for some pilot or wannabe pilot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
Weighted flop tubes are a good choice.
And they also make a gascolator even more important.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:14 AM 12/6/02 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>Greetings from the arctic NE. I've installed the standard 2 five gal tanks
>on my MkIII and intend to draw off the top. Has anyone used or have
>an opinion of using the weighted flop tube arrangement vs a rigid pickup?
>- BB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
At a boat dealer you should be able to pick up some of those finger
strainers that are used in the red plastic 6 gallon boat tanks on the ends
of the pick up tubes. Stick one of those on the end of any pickup that is
in your fuel tank. Won't keep out water, but will keep out anything else,
and won't get blocked up.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:48 AM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
>OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long
>in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction
>of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the
>end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot.
>jerb
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said "the
biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them.
(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and compression
fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed
shut) What I said is true...............they DO work..............but they
also have a proportion of leaks. In the application on the Challenger, it'd
probably be fine, plus the fitting would be accessible, since it's right up
on top. If it wasn't sealed right, a little stain & odor would result from
fuel sloshing in the tank. That wouldn't be a real problem. My main
concern was for people who might use them to connect a fuel line under the
tank, or connect 2 portions of fuel tubing. BTW, flares can come loose,
too, especially in areas of great temperature variation, such as the suction
side of refrigeration expansion valves; but it's uncommon, and extreme,
compared to our use. They're also more difficult to form, and
connect.............properly. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
> Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them
all
> the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any
> problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by
> far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should
> squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will
> not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on
there
> 10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only
> holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube
> can not be pulled out.
>
> OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long
> in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction
> of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the
> end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot.
> jerb
>
>
> At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel
lines.
> >For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial
> >appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My
experience
> >has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables.
> >Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down
too
> >tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things.
> >1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to
be
> >taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze
down
> >the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4"
tubing,
> >if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd
have
> >more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to
boot.
> >On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly
> >well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut
till
> >it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You
> >wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding
applications,
> >(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application,
we
> >use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd
recommend
> >against them. Lar.
> >
> >Larry Bourne
> >Palm Springs, CA
> >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> >www.gogittum.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> > >
> > > You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube
compression to
> > > 3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored
through
> > > for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing
stops,
> >you
> > > may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through
your
> > > self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does
not
> > > have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I
would
> > > think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal
for a
> > > liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through
the
> > > fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be
> > > available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD
piece
> > > of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the
> >compression
> > > part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but
probably
> > > difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at
> > > industrial-instrumentation supply houses.
> > > Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting:
> > >
>
>http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctd
Bored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu
> >mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
> > > >
> > > >What is askng price?
> > > >kj
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Dave Stroberg" <dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
> > > >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg"
> ><dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Howdy Listers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy hollidays to all.
> > > > > I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with
the
> >welded
> > > >3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have
> >four
> > > >of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom.
Aircraft
> > > >Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of
the
> >tank,
> > > >but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort
of
> >way
> > > >to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian.
> > > > > Building MarkIII.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas
> >present
> > > >for some pilot or wannabe pilot.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from
polyflow/plastic (nyloc)
polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or ball,
and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone manufacturers.
Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe
everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said "the
>biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them.
>(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and compression
>fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed
>shut) What I said is true...............they DO work..............but they
>also have a proportion of leaks. In the application on the Challenger, it'd
>probably be fine, plus the fitting would be accessible, since it's right up
>on top. If it wasn't sealed right, a little stain & odor would result from
>fuel sloshing in the tank. That wouldn't be a real problem. My main
>concern was for people who might use them to connect a fuel line under the
>tank, or connect 2 portions of fuel tubing. BTW, flares can come loose,
>too, especially in areas of great temperature variation, such as the suction
>side of refrigeration expansion valves; but it's uncommon, and extreme,
>compared to our use. They're also more difficult to form, and
>connect.............properly. Lar.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>>
>>Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them
>>
>>
>all
>
>
>>the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any
>>problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by
>>far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should
>>squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will
>>not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on
>>
>>
>there
>
>
>>10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only
>>holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube
>>can not be pulled out.
>>
>>OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long
>>in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction
>>of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the
>>end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot.
>>jerb
>>
>>
>>At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>>
>>>That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel
>>>
>>>
>lines.
>
>
>>>For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial
>>>appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My
>>>
>>>
>experience
>
>
>>>has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables.
>>>Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down
>>>
>>>
>too
>
>
>>>tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things.
>>>1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to
>>>
>>>
>be
>
>
>>>taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze
>>>
>>>
>down
>
>
>>>the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4"
>>>
>>>
>tubing,
>
>
>>>if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd
>>>
>>>
>have
>
>
>>>more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to
>>>
>>>
>boot.
>
>
>>>On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly
>>>well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut
>>>
>>>
>till
>
>
>>>it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You
>>>wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding
>>>
>>>
>applications,
>
>
>>>(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application,
>>>
>>>
>we
>
>
>>>use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd
>>>
>>>
>recommend
>
>
>>>against them. Lar.
>>>
>>>Larry Bourne
>>>Palm Springs, CA
>>>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>>>www.gogittum.com
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>>>>
>>>>You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube
>>>>
>>>>
>compression to
>
>
>>>>3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored
>>>>
>>>>
>through
>
>
>>>>for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing
>>>>
>>>>
>stops,
>
>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through
>>>>
>>>>
>your
>
>
>>>>self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does
>>>>
>>>>
>not
>
>
>>>>have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I
>>>>
>>>>
>would
>
>
>>>>think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal
>>>>
>>>>
>for a
>
>
>>>>liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be
>>>>available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD
>>>>
>>>>
>piece
>
>
>>>>of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>compression
>>>
>>>
>>>>part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but
>>>>
>>>>
>probably
>
>
>>>>difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at
>>>>industrial-instrumentation supply houses.
>>>>Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctd
>>
>>
>Bored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu
>
>
>>>mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb
>>>
>>>
>>>>At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>What is askng price?
>>>>>kj
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Dave Stroberg" <dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
>>>>>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>><dgstro@albemarlenet.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Howdy Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Happy hollidays to all.
>>>>>>I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>welded
>>>
>>>
>>>>>3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>four
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Aircraft
>
>
>>>>>Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>tank,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort
>>>>>
>>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>way
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian.
>>>>>>Building MarkIII.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>present
>>>
>>>
>>>>>for some pilot or wannabe pilot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Listers,
This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news (
www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor
injuries reported.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 **
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III
Date: 11/28/2002 Time: 2115
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT
LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED
MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: UNKN
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation
Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:
N
Last Radio Cont:
Last Clearance:
FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002
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| Subject: | fuel line in top of alum tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: b young <byoung@brigham.net>
if you have a 3/8 ip flange welded in the tip of the
tank... you would be best served if you would go to a
local plumbing or hardware and buy a 3/8 ip (iron pipe
thread ) by 3/8 compression adapter..... it will have a
tube stop in it so the 3/8 tube wont go too far into the
fitting.... if you take a 3/8 drill and drill from the ip
side into the fitting you will remove the tubing stop....
then i would take a piece of 3/8 stainless steel tubing and
put down through the fitting....... i worry about a copper
suction tube cracking and breaking.... or better yet take
the fuel off the bottom of the tank and put in an electronic
fuel sender in the top...
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter1@fuse.net>
>
Two folks on board on its maiden flight?
Gene
-------------------------------------------------
> DESCRIPTION
> ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD.
> ACFT
> LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED
> MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1
> Unk:
> # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1
> Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
> Unk:
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| Subject: | Re: Heaters again |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Larry,
Received the heater today, thanks, what do I owe you???
A few questions, where did you find the control cable?? You said to get the
good one so where did you get the good one?
You have the Scat tubing exiting from the rear, I was thinking to have it
exit forward so it's away from the prob and so I don't have to have the scat
tube go around and under the carbs, Might be a cleaner shorter route for my
application, do you see anything wrong with this??
Thanks again.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Heaters again |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey@ldl.net>
I am coming in on the tail of this thread but a word of caution. If you
are using some type of heater hose to the fan shroud on a 503 make
DOUBLE sure that the tube can't get to the prop if it comes loose from
its attachment to the engine. (Ask J.D. Stewart who monitors this list
what a heater hose snagged to the prop will do for you...) Other than
that little caveat piping the waste heat from the engine to warm your
shivering body is great...
Jeremy Casey
jrcasey@ldl.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Timandjan@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heaters again
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Larry,
Received the heater today, thanks, what do I owe you???
A few questions, where did you find the control cable?? You said to get
the
good one so where did you get the good one?
You have the Scat tubing exiting from the rear, I was thinking to have
it
exit forward so it's away from the prob and so I don't have to have the
scat
tube go around and under the carbs, Might be a cleaner shorter route for
my
application, do you see anything wrong with this??
Thanks again.
Tim
=
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| Subject: | Re: MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Guys,
It's good to hear they received only minor injuries. Since this was the
maiden flight, it makes me wonder if they tied the tail down and ran it
for an hour before taking it up.
Ralph
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:27:32 -0500 Gene Ledbetter <gdledbetter1@fuse.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter
> <gdledbetter1@fuse.net>
>
> >
>
> Two folks on board on its maiden flight?
>
> Gene
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> > DESCRIPTION
> > ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS
> FIELD.
> > ACFT
> > LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD
> SUFFERED
> > MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR
> > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1
>
> > Unk:
> > # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
> 1
> > Unk:
> > # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min:
> 0
> > Unk:
>
>
>
> _->
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heaters again |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
http://challenger.inebraska.com/prop_wrap.htm
:>(
J.D. Stewart
Internet Nebraska-Norfolk
http://www.inebraska.com
UltraFun AirSports
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger Owners E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
> I am coming in on the tail of this thread but a word of caution. If you
> are using some type of heater hose to the fan shroud on a 503 make
> DOUBLE sure that the tube can't get to the prop if it comes loose from
> its attachment to the engine. (Ask J.D. Stewart who monitors this list
> what a heater hose snagged to the prop will do for you...) Other than
> that little caveat piping the waste heat from the engine to warm your
> shivering body is great...
>
> Jeremy Casey
> jrcasey@ldl.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Ed: That was my plane and it wasn't a test flight or maiden flight. FAA
took first=0D
flight of the day and made a maiden out of it. I have been trying to send
pictures=0D
to the photo list, but have been unsuccessful so far. I seem to get them to
every=0D
one else except pictures@matronics.com . I don't know what I'm doing wrong,
but =0D
I do know what I did wrong on the preflight. Didn't detect water in the gas
and that's=0D
what we found in the carburetor when we took the bowl off. I took that same
gas, =0D
there was about 6 gallons left that didn't run into the cockpit, and I run
it through=0D
Mr. Funnel and put it in my Windstar van. I started to go someplace last
night and =0D
got 900 feet from my house and the van quit running. I'm waiting for a tow
right=0D
now. It doesn't seem to be getting gas and we had low temperatures of 16
degrees=0D
last night and the night before. Frozen gas line???? I did not see any
water in =0D
Mr. Funnel either. Things just aren't going my way lately. Scaffold
crushed my =0D
hearing aid that dropped to the floor, ice storm just collapsed my 10 X 16
foot=0D
awning on my deck, complete loss, plus other things. Getting paranoid =0D
and I can't fly.=0D
Dallas Shepherd=0D
Norfork, Arkansas=0D
Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D
P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get to
try=0D
out either. =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D
Subject: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas=0D
=0D
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>=0D
=0D
Listers,=0D
=0D
This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news (=0D
www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor=0D
injuries reported.=0D
=0D
Ed in JXN=0D
MkII/503=0D
=0D
** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 **=0D
IDENTIFICATION=0D
Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III=0D
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N=0D
Damage: Destroyed=0D
LOCATION=0D
City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US=0D
DESCRIPTION=0D
ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT=0D
LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED=0D
MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR=0D
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0=0D
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:=0D
WEATHER: UNKN=0D
OTHER DATA=0D
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation=0D
Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time:=0D
Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:=0D
N=0D
Last Radio Cont:=0D
Last Clearance:=0D
FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
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| Subject: | MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey@ldl.net>
<SNIP> Getting paranoid =0D
and I can't fly.=0D
Dallas Shepherd=0D
Norfork, Arkansas=0D
Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D
P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get
to
try=0D
out either. =0D
Dallas,
Have you walked under any ladders lately? If you see a black
cat...kill it and eat it.... ;-)
Chin up buddy!
Jeremy Casey
P.S. If I remember the story right, Mr. Goodyear burnt himself on the
stove right before he dropped the rubber concoction on the eye and
discovered vulcanization...he made a "few" dollars off that one... ;-)
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| Subject: | =OD's and all those numbers and letters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Listers:=0D
Can anyone tell me what to do about all those OD's and assorted garbage that
shows up when I send a message to the list? How do you highlight just a
portion of the message you are answering. I either get one word highlighted
or the whole thing.=0D
Still Learning=0D
Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Awright, wise guy.................does the local Ace Hardware & Aircraft
Supply carry them ?? Harrrr..............! ! ! Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from
> polyflow/plastic (nyloc)
> polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or
ball,
> and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone
manufacturers.
> Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe
> everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB
>
> Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said
"the
> >biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them.
> >(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and
compression
> >fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed
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| Subject: | Partly built dragonfly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" <kevin-jones@snet.net>
About two or three months ago there was a fellow in Tennessee or nearby who
had a partly built Dragonfly for sale. Can anyone tell me who and where he is?
kj
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> My Mk3/912 has the standard two 5 Gal tank set up. While pondering the possibilities
of fuel starvation with the plumbing now installed it now looks like a
fuel selector valve is mandatory.
> Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL
Duane/Gang:
If I had the decision to make I would siamese the
two tanks at their lowest points. Run fuel line
from the bottom of each tank (using the rubber
bushings and push fittings) to a "T" fitting.
From the "T" fitting out the bottom of the
fuselage with a shut off valve near the end of the
line. Not only will this allow both tanks to seek
a common level, but you will also have a built in
sump/gascolators. As a matter of preflight, drain
the line into a clear glass container and you are
also draining your fuel system. You will also
have to pull each float bowl about once a month to
check for moisture and crud.
I have used a similar system on my Mark III with a
single tank. The sump and drain work well. Have
never had an engine failure when I checked the
sump and drained before the first flight of the
day or when fueling from a questionable source.
Sorry for the delay in responding. Have been out
of the loop for about a week.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
I've been doing that mornings
> when I get to the field. So far with rain, humidity, early morning sun,
> etc., I haven't found any water in the tanks yet. I'll keep looking.
Duncan
Duncan/Gang:
Don't give up looking for the water and sluge, it
will show sooner or later.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Bulletins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/6/02 9:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dixieshack@webtv.net writes:
>
> Going over the e-mail.....I subscribe to the Rotax bulletins as they are
> published.....you guys ever notice how many service bulletins and AD's
> are published concerning the 912-914 series? Lordy, it's gotta keep a
> feller busy just complyin'....givya somepin to do in th' winter months.
> Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about
> them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones.
> Now, don't anybody take offense.....
>
> Enjoy life....
> Mike in WV
> FSII
>
> do not archive
>
> I have noticed that very thing, had wondered....still wonderin as a matter
> of fact!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from Akron, O
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Peter I have windows 98. I don't know if that answers your question or not.
I'm
not to well versed in this computer stuff. My Kolb list messages all
contain it.
I tried plain text for this message as was suggested. We'll see.
Dallas
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Peter I'm using incredimail which I downloaded some time ago.
Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 |
-0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@advanced-connect.net>
Hi Mike,
Svinga was a washout for angle, but I got 4lbs of crimp lugs for $8. I
need some 2x3x1/4 6061 T6. When is your next trip down? You may want to
take your time, its been cold, wet & miserable!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
Shackelford)
>
> Hey, Richard....Svinga Brothers, off Magnolia in Ocala. If you
> haven't been there, e-mail off list. Give Jerry D. a call.....he may
> have some leftovers. The angle I've used from Svingas' has the
> composition stamped in/on it repetitively in its length, like every two
> feet.
> Glad to see you're feeling better and sorry I missed ya this trip, my
> friend.
> See ya soon.....
>
> Hillbilly Mike in WV
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MkIII down in Arkansas |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dallas, the sun will come back again...or so I keep telling myself. -BB
do not archive
Dallas Shepherd wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
>
>Ed: That was my plane and it wasn't a test flight or maiden flight. FAA
>took first=0D
>flight of the day and made a maiden out of it. I have been trying to send
>pictures=0D
>to the photo list, but have been unsuccessful so far. I seem to get them to
>every=0D
>one else except pictures@matronics.com . I don't know what I'm doing wrong,
>but =0D
>I do know what I did wrong on the preflight. Didn't detect water in the gas
>and that's=0D
>what we found in the carburetor when we took the bowl off. I took that same
>gas, =0D
>there was about 6 gallons left that didn't run into the cockpit, and I run
>it through=0D
>Mr. Funnel and put it in my Windstar van. I started to go someplace last
>night and =0D
>got 900 feet from my house and the van quit running. I'm waiting for a tow
>right=0D
>now. It doesn't seem to be getting gas and we had low temperatures of 16
>degrees=0D
>last night and the night before. Frozen gas line???? I did not see any
>water in =0D
>Mr. Funnel either. Things just aren't going my way lately. Scaffold
>crushed my =0D
>hearing aid that dropped to the floor, ice storm just collapsed my 10 X 16
>foot=0D
>awning on my deck, complete loss, plus other things. Getting paranoid =0D
>and I can't fly.=0D
>Dallas Shepherd=0D
>Norfork, Arkansas=0D
>Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D
>P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get to
>try=0D
>out either. =0D
>=0D
>-------Original Message-------=0D
>=0D
>From: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D
>Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:13:05=0D
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D
>Subject: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas=0D
>=0D
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>=0D
>=0D
>Listers,=0D
>=0D
>This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news (=0D
>www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor=0D
>injuries reported.=0D
>=0D
>Ed in JXN=0D
>MkII/503=0D
>=0D
>** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 **=0D
>IDENTIFICATION=0D
>Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III=0D
>Date: 11/28/2002 Time: 2115=0D
>Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N=0D
>Damage: Destroyed=0D
>LOCATION=0D
>City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US=0D
>DESCRIPTION=0D
>ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT=0D
>LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED=0D
>MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR=0D
>INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0=0D
># Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D
># Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D
># Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:=0D
>WEATHER: UNKN=0D
>OTHER DATA=0D
>Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation=0D
>Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time:=0D
>Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:=0D
>N=0D
>Last Radio Cont:=0D
>Last Clearance:=0D
>FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=0D
>=2E
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>Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj
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| Subject: | Heaters, sorry about the email to the list |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Sorry guys, meant to email this directly to Larry, Did not notice I had bind
copied the list , oops and Sorry.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Dallas,
That looks much better - ya, do that.
Jerry
At 07:28 PM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
>
>Peter I'm using incredimail which I downloaded some time ago.
>Dallas
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 |
-0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@advanced-connect.net>
Gentlemen,
Thanks for the great resource tips.
Richard Swiderski
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Russell" <jr@rometool.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002
23:56:20 -0800
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Russell" <jr@rometool.com>
>
> www.mcmaster.com is a great source for all sorts of stuff, including
> aluminum.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: One less Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
I enjoy making steep climbouts, (40MPH at full
> throttle with 912), but maybe that's cutting it a bit close (comments
> John H?). Is a more airspeed and less angle called for?
> Peter V
Peter/Gents:
I can't tell you what to do or how to do it.
However, as a general rule, steep climbouts at 40
mph indicated are putting you in the "deadman's
zone" at lower altitudes. By the time you recover
from the initial shock of losing the engine, you
will be behind the power curve and not on top of
your forced landing. Another problem we get into
at low level in a steep climb out is we think the
airplane is flying as soon as we get it in a level
attitude, when in actuality we a mushing and
stalling, not flying. I know, I made that
mistake.
Things never happen when we expect them to and
usually problems mushroom when the engine gets
quiet, especially at low levels.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
As usual John, I owe you my thanks.
After self-teaching myself to fly in a Pterodactyl years ago before
eventually totaling it during a screwed-up crosswind take-off that ended
in a cartwheel, I thought I had become more careful and conservative
with age.
I see I still have a ways to go...
I certainly don't have a death wish, so I take comments like yours and
the other more experienced listers closely to heart.
I am now in the process of installing my newly received aileron
counterbalance kit (the size and weight of which really surprised me -
they are serious chunks of metal!), and resigning myself to make all
future climb-outs at speeds no slower than 55mph indicated.
Take care,
Peter
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One less Kolb
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
I enjoy making steep climbouts, (40MPH at full
> throttle with 912), but maybe that's cutting it a bit close (comments
> John H?). Is a more airspeed and less angle called for?
> Peter V
Peter/Gents:
I can't tell you what to do or how to do it.
However, as a general rule, steep climbouts at 40
mph indicated are putting you in the "deadman's
zone" at lower altitudes. By the time you recover
from the initial shock of losing the engine, you
will be behind the power curve and not on top of
your forced landing. Another problem we get into
at low level in a steep climb out is we think the
airplane is flying as soon as we get it in a level
attitude, when in actuality we a mushing and
stalling, not flying. I know, I made that
mistake.
Things never happen when we expect them to and
usually problems mushroom when the engine gets
quiet, especially at low levels.
Take care,
john h
=
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Lar, you got me there...have to go to a lab supply, cryogenic supplier,
high
pressure hydraulics, etc. -BB
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Awright, wise guy.................does the local Ace Hardware & Aircraft
>Supply carry them ?? Harrrr..............! ! ! Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings
>
>
>
>
>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from
>>polyflow/plastic (nyloc)
>>polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or
>>
>>
>ball,
>
>
>>and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone
>>
>>
>manufacturers.
>
>
>>Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe
>>everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB
>>
>>Larry Bourne wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>>>
>>>Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said
>>>
>>>
>"the
>
>
>>>biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them.
>>>(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and
>>>
>>>
>compression
>
>
>>>fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Hello Kolbers,
I would like to read some comments from any of you about the advantages or disadvantages
that the X-TRA has or doesn't have over the Classic.I know the claims
that the factory has and have all the specs on both. However I have heard some
comments (wont' name names) that the X-tra is not all it's cracked up to be.
I like the flatter wider windshield, and the wider cabin at the nose. If any
care to comment I'm all ears. I know where there is a super deal on nearly completed
Mark III Classic. And are near a decision on the two models. Also besides
the obvious reasons. What about the 582 vs. the 912 and 912s?
Fire for effect!
Paul
N4958P
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| Subject: | Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club
fly-out to Everglades City in Florida.
Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III:
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG
Leaving Florida's East Coast:
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG
Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG
Navigating by canal:
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG
LAFA's newest Kolb addition
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG
Planet Earth
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG
Everglades City
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG
Everglades City Tourists
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG
X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG
X01 on Short Final
http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
Peter Volum
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| Subject: | Re: Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
B.S. Session Do not Archive.
Fantastic ! ! ! Thanks Peter. Several things: Last April, before SnF, I
went on an airboat ride about 6 or 8 miles north of Everglades City, at the
back of the gas station/convenience store there. (Took a pic of the area
from the air) That's where the young fella driving the thing did do-nuts
down the channel - swapping ends at 20 or so mph (felt like 70 mph - - - -
What Fun ! ! !) ...............this year, I'm gonna find him again, and take
a movie of it. I think he expected to spook this ol' boy, but I was
grinning so hard my jaws ached. I got some pretty good pics last year,
before I ran out of film............baby 'gators and all. Won't be a
problem this year.............Lar's gone digital. Then went down to the
airport in the pics, and bought a ride on the (black ??) C-185 on amphibious
floats that's based there in the winter. Guy says he spends the summers
bush flying in Alaska. I believe him; he's sure got the plane for it. I
even bought a T-shirt there, and it's one of my favorites. Good memories,
made better by the hospitality of Brother Beauford. The picture
quality of those photos is excellent...............what does that guy have
?? A fisheye zoom ?? Nice effect, and makes me feel better. I just bought
a new camera, (gave up on the Olympus C-720 - anyone wanna buy it ??) and
the telephoto adapter they sold me vignettes the pictures, and leaves a
similar ring when on lower magnifications. Irked me pretty good, and I
don't really need it, so I haven't really done much with it; but now maybe
I'll go out and fool with it a bit. Stuck with the D.........d thing, so
might as well use it. Here's lookin' forward to SnF '03. I'll make
the same loop around southern Florida; then ride the ferry from Fort Myers
to Key West; take in SnF; then hopefully up to Okefenokee. Is anyone on
the List familiar with that area ?? Or, with the drought, is it even still
a swamp ?? Go Gittin' Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club
> fly-out to Everglades City in Florida.
>
>
> Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG
>
> Leaving Florida's East Coast:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG
>
> Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG
>
> Navigating by canal:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG
>
> LAFA's newest Kolb addition
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG
>
> Planet Earth
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City Tourists
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG
>
> X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG
>
> X01 on Short Final
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
>
>
> Peter Volum
>
>
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