---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/06/02: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: new generation engine (Dave Rains) 2. 05:13 AM - fuel tank (Bob Bean) 3. 05:31 AM - Aluminum angle (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (John Russell) 5. 06:02 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/05/02 (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)) 6. 06:32 AM - Re: Metal Resourse ? (Christopher Armstrong) 7. 06:49 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (jerb) 8. 07:48 AM - Re: fuel tank (Richard Pike) 9. 07:52 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Richard Pike) 10. 08:33 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Larry Bourne) 11. 09:04 AM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Bob Bean) 12. 09:52 AM - MkIII down in Arkansas (Ed Chmielewski) 13. 12:00 PM - fuel line in top of alum tank (b young) 14. 12:28 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Gene Ledbetter) 15. 12:30 PM - Re: Heaters again (Timandjan@aol.com) 16. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Heaters again (Jeremy Casey) 17. 12:50 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (ul15rhb@juno.com) 18. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Heaters again (J.D. Stewart) 19. 01:48 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Dallas Shepherd) 20. 02:05 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Jeremy Casey) 21. 02:09 PM - =OD's and all those numbers and letters (Dallas Shepherd) 22. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Larry Bourne) 23. 03:10 PM - Partly built dragonfly (Kevin Jones) 24. 03:49 PM - Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) (John Hauck) 25. 03:58 PM - Re: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) (John Hauck) 26. 04:49 PM - Re: Engine Bulletins (GeoR38@aol.com) 27. 05:24 PM - OD's (Dallas Shepherd) 28. 05:27 PM - software (Dallas Shepherd) 29. 06:49 PM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (Richard Swiderski) 30. 06:56 PM - Re: MkIII down in Arkansas (Bob Bean) 31. 07:01 PM - Heaters, sorry about the email to the list (Timandjan@aol.com) 32. 07:02 PM - Re: software (jerb) 33. 07:04 PM - Re: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 (Richard Swiderski) 34. 07:06 PM - Re: One less Kolb (John Hauck) 35. 07:37 PM - Re: One less Kolb (Peter Volum) 36. 07:37 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (Bob Bean) 37. 07:49 PM - MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra (Paul Petty) 38. 07:57 PM - Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum) 39. 09:25 PM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:31 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: new generation engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Yeah, I received an e-mail from him with the promise the engine would be ready by Sep 02. They keep backing up the available date. do not archive Dave Rains -----Original Message----- From: Ted Cowan [SMTP:tcowan1917@direcway.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Re: new generation engine --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" Just for info and amusement. Check out the new concept motor from the smart guy. Building the special FAR 103 helo. Go to: http://aerotwinmotors.com/ . Received email stating be ready for sale next year at about $6500. Projects 80 lbs complete, 65 hp and 65 hundred bucks. cant wait to see how this works. Just thought some might like to know. BTW, the airscooter is at: www.airscooter.com ted ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:57 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: fuel tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Greetings from the arctic NE. I've installed the standard 2 five gal tanks on my MkIII and intend to draw off the top. Has anyone used or have an opinion of using the weighted flop tube arrangement vs a rigid pickup? - BB ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:07 AM PST US From: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Subject: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Hey, Richard....Svinga Brothers, off Magnolia in Ocala. If you haven't been there, e-mail off list. Give Jerry D. a call.....he may have some leftovers. The angle I've used from Svingas' has the composition stamped in/on it repetitively in its length, like every two feet. Glad to see you're feeling better and sorry I missed ya this trip, my friend. See ya soon..... Hillbilly Mike in WV do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:30 AM PST US From: "John Russell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Russell" www.mcmaster.com is a great source for all sorts of stuff, including aluminum. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:15 AM PST US From: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 29 Msgs - 12/05/02 message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Going over the e-mail.....I subscribe to the Rotax bulletins as they are published.....you guys ever notice how many service bulletins and AD's are published concerning the 912-914 series? Lordy, it's gotta keep a feller busy just complyin'....givya somepin to do in th' winter months. Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones. Now, don't anybody take offense..... Enjoy life.... Mike in WV FSII do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:39 AM PST US From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Metal Resourse ? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" I generally would not consider aluminum as a great choice for an engine mount, because it tends to crack due to vibration. it you use it, pay exceptional attention to the surface finish, basically polish the whole thing, including the insides of the holes! topher ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them all the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on there 10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube can not be pulled out. OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot. jerb At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel lines. >For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial >appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My experience >has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables. >Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down too >tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things. >1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to be >taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze down >the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4" tubing, >if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd have >more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to boot. >On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly >well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut till >it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You >wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding applications, >(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application, we >use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd recommend >against them. Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jerb" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > > You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube compression to > > 3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored through > > for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing stops, >you > > may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through your > > self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does not > > have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I would > > think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal for a > > liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through the > > fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be > > available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD piece > > of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the >compression > > part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but probably > > difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at > > industrial-instrumentation supply houses. > > Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting: > > >http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctdBored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu >mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb > > > > > > At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" > > > > > >What is askng price? > > >kj > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Dave Stroberg" > > >To: > > >Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg" > > > > > > > > > Howdy Listers, > > > > > > > > Happy hollidays to all. > > > > I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with the >welded > > >3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have >four > > >of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom. Aircraft > > >Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of the >tank, > > >but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort of >way > > >to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting. > > > > > > > > Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian. > > > > Building MarkIII. > > > > > > > > BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas >present > > >for some pilot or wannabe pilot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:45 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fuel tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Weighted flop tubes are a good choice. And they also make a gascolator even more important. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:14 AM 12/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > >Greetings from the arctic NE. I've installed the standard 2 five gal tanks >on my MkIII and intend to draw off the top. Has anyone used or have >an opinion of using the weighted flop tube arrangement vs a rigid pickup? >- BB > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:52 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike At a boat dealer you should be able to pick up some of those finger strainers that are used in the red plastic 6 gallon boat tanks on the ends of the pick up tubes. Stick one of those on the end of any pickup that is in your fuel tank. Won't keep out water, but will keep out anything else, and won't get blocked up. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:48 AM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > >OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long >in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction >of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the >end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot. >jerb ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:37 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said "the biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them. (Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and compression fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed shut) What I said is true...............they DO work..............but they also have a proportion of leaks. In the application on the Challenger, it'd probably be fine, plus the fitting would be accessible, since it's right up on top. If it wasn't sealed right, a little stain & odor would result from fuel sloshing in the tank. That wouldn't be a real problem. My main concern was for people who might use them to connect a fuel line under the tank, or connect 2 portions of fuel tubing. BTW, flares can come loose, too, especially in areas of great temperature variation, such as the suction side of refrigeration expansion valves; but it's uncommon, and extreme, compared to our use. They're also more difficult to form, and connect.............properly. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them all > the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any > problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by > far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should > squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will > not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on there > 10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only > holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube > can not be pulled out. > > OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long > in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction > of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the > end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot. > jerb > > > At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel lines. > >For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial > >appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My experience > >has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables. > >Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down too > >tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things. > >1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to be > >taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze down > >the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4" tubing, > >if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd have > >more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to boot. > >On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly > >well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut till > >it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You > >wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding applications, > >(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application, we > >use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd recommend > >against them. Lar. > > > >Larry Bourne > >Palm Springs, CA > >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose > >www.gogittum.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "jerb" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > > > > You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube compression to > > > 3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored through > > > for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing stops, > >you > > > may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through your > > > self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does not > > > have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I would > > > think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal for a > > > liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through the > > > fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be > > > available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD piece > > > of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the > >compression > > > part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but probably > > > difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at > > > industrial-instrumentation supply houses. > > > Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting: > > > > >http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctd Bored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu > >mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb > > > > > > > > > At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" > > > > > > > >What is askng price? > > > >kj > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Dave Stroberg" > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg" > > > > > > > > > > > > Howdy Listers, > > > > > > > > > > Happy hollidays to all. > > > > > I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with the > >welded > > > >3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have > >four > > > >of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom. Aircraft > > > >Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of the > >tank, > > > >but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort of > >way > > > >to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting. > > > > > > > > > > Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian. > > > > > Building MarkIII. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas > >present > > > >for some pilot or wannabe pilot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:44 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from polyflow/plastic (nyloc) polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or ball, and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone manufacturers. Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB Larry Bourne wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said "the >biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them. >(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and compression >fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed >shut) What I said is true...............they DO work..............but they >also have a proportion of leaks. In the application on the Challenger, it'd >probably be fine, plus the fitting would be accessible, since it's right up >on top. If it wasn't sealed right, a little stain & odor would result from >fuel sloshing in the tank. That wouldn't be a real problem. My main >concern was for people who might use them to connect a fuel line under the >tank, or connect 2 portions of fuel tubing. BTW, flares can come loose, >too, especially in areas of great temperature variation, such as the suction >side of refrigeration expansion valves; but it's uncommon, and extreme, >compared to our use. They're also more difficult to form, and >connect.............properly. Lar. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose >www.gogittum.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jerb" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb >> >>Gee Lar, just how tight are you tightening them there things. Use them >> >> >all > > >>the time for general plumbing and instrumentation applications without any >>problem. If your tightening it to the point of crushing the tube, you by >>far are over tightening them. When properly tightened the ferrel should >>squeeze down to the point where it just bits into the tubing where it will >>not slide off the tube. The Challenger uses the very same fitting on >> >> >there > > >>10 gallon tank. The the compression part of the through fitting is only >>holding the tube and only requires being tightened enough where the tube >>can not be pulled out. >> >>OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long >>in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction >>of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the >>end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot. >>jerb >> >> >>At 09:53 PM 12/5/02 -0800, you wrote: >> >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >>> >>>That'll work, but be VERY careful using compression fittings on fuel >>> >>> >lines. > > >>>For the last 20 yrs, I've made my living in a/c/refrigeration/commercial >>>appliance & restaurant service, and have used 100's of them. My >>> >>> >experience > > >>>has been iffy, and I'd be extremely spooky using them on flammables. >>>Probably the biggest problem I've seen is with people cranking them down >>> >>> >too > > >>>tight, (they should be snug, plus a "little bit") which does 2 things. >>>1.) They'll tend to loosen in the sleeves, and there's no more slack to >>> >>> >be > > >>>taken, and 2.) As you tighten the fitting, the ferrule will squeeze >>> >>> >down > > >>>the diameter of the tubing, which could restrict the flow. On 1/4" >>> >>> >tubing, > > >>>if you were to tighten the ferrule all the way down, I doubt if you'd >>> >>> >have > > >>>more than about 1/8" I.D., and have an un-stop-able potential leak, to >>> >>> >boot. > > >>>On water lines, such as on your refrigerators' ice maker, they do fairly >>>well, since if they start to leak, you can crank down a bit on the nut >>> >>> >till > > >>>it stops, and only suffer a wet floor.. (usually - see "1" above.) You >>>wanna do that every time you smell gas ?? On more demanding >>> >>> >applications, > > >>>(refrigeration) we just don't use them. Period. In that application, >>> >>> >we > > >>>use flare fittings, or silver solder. Sorry, but I'd >>> >>> >recommend > > >>>against them. Lar. >>> >>>Larry Bourne >>>Palm Springs, CA >>>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose >>>www.gogittum.com >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "jerb" >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb >>>> >>>>You should be able to put in a brass fitting - 1/4" OD tube >>>> >>>> >compression to > > >>>>3/8" MPT (male pipe thread). Unless you can find one that's bored >>>> >>>> >through > > >>>>for the 1/4" tubing, normally they are manufactured with tubing >>>> >>>> >stops, > > >>>you >>> >>> >>>>may have to do that yourself. You should be able to bore it through >>>> >>>> >your > > >>>>self since the compression end of the fitting holding the tubing does >>>> >>>> >not > > >>>>have to provide a perfect seal around the tubing. (After boring I >>>> >>>> >would > > >>>>think the compression joint should be tight enough that it will seal >>>> >>>> >for a > > >>>>liquid around the tube, the tube will be continuous passing through >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>fitting so there would be no suction leak.) The fitting should be >>>>available at Lowe's, Home Depot, or a good hardware. Use a 1/4" OD >>>> >>>> >piece > > >>>>of copper as pickup and secure it with at the entrance with the >>>> >>>> >>>compression >>> >>> >>>>part of the fitting. Bored through fittings are available but >>>> >>>> >probably > > >>>>difficult to find at general plumbing supply outlets, may find them at >>>>industrial-instrumentation supply houses. >>>>Here's a link to Swagelok showing the fitting: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>http://www.swagelok.com/product.asp?tp=117&ct=657&tpd=Fittings+%2D+Tube&ctd >> >> >Bored%2DThrough%3A+Connects+tubing+to+female+thread&bigp=CPH351%2DS%2Ejpg&nu > > >>>mp=76&group=FITTINGS&GroupDescjerb >>> >>> >>>>At 09:33 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" >>>>> >>>>>What is askng price? >>>>>kj >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Dave Stroberg" >>>>>To: >>>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Stroberg" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>Howdy Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>>Happy hollidays to all. >>>>>>I'm wondering if anyone has installed a aluminum fuel tank with >>>>>> >>>>>> >the > > >>>welded >>> >>> >>>>>3/8 NPT flanges and if so, what type of fittings did you use. I have >>>>> >>>>> >>>four >>> >>> >>>>>of these fittings on my tank, two on top and two on the bottom. >>>>> >>>>> >Aircraft > > >>>>>Spruce has a finger strainer that would be great for the bottom of >>>>> >>>>> >the > > >>>tank, >>> >>> >>>>>but, I'd like to draw fuel from the top of the tank. Need some sort >>>>> >>>>> >of > > >>>way >>> >>> >>>>>to get a fuel pipe through the 3/8 NPT fitting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Dave, FirestarII, 503, 3 IVO, Full Lotus Monofloat amphibian. >>>>>>Building MarkIII. >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, the Firestar is for sale, would make a wonderful christmas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>present >>> >>> >>>>>for some pilot or wannabe pilot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:38 AM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Listers, This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news ( www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor injuries reported. Ed in JXN MkII/503 ** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 ** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III Date: 11/28/2002 Time: 2115 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk: # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNKN OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: N Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:00:17 PM PST US From: b young Subject: Kolb-List: fuel line in top of alum tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: b young if you have a 3/8 ip flange welded in the tip of the tank... you would be best served if you would go to a local plumbing or hardware and buy a 3/8 ip (iron pipe thread ) by 3/8 compression adapter..... it will have a tube stop in it so the 3/8 tube wont go too far into the fitting.... if you take a 3/8 drill and drill from the ip side into the fitting you will remove the tubing stop.... then i would take a piece of 3/8 stainless steel tubing and put down through the fitting....... i worry about a copper suction tube cracking and breaking.... or better yet take the fuel off the bottom of the tank and put in an electronic fuel sender in the top... boyd ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas From: Gene Ledbetter --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter > Two folks on board on its maiden flight? Gene ------------------------------------------------- > DESCRIPTION > ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. > ACFT > LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED > MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 > Unk: > # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 > Unk: > # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 > Unk: ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:46 PM PST US From: Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heaters again --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Larry, Received the heater today, thanks, what do I owe you??? A few questions, where did you find the control cable?? You said to get the good one so where did you get the good one? You have the Scat tubing exiting from the rear, I was thinking to have it exit forward so it's away from the prob and so I don't have to have the scat tube go around and under the carbs, Might be a cleaner shorter route for my application, do you see anything wrong with this?? Thanks again. Tim ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:53 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heaters again --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" I am coming in on the tail of this thread but a word of caution. If you are using some type of heater hose to the fan shroud on a 503 make DOUBLE sure that the tube can't get to the prop if it comes loose from its attachment to the engine. (Ask J.D. Stewart who monitors this list what a heater hose snagged to the prop will do for you...) Other than that little caveat piping the waste heat from the engine to warm your shivering body is great... Jeremy Casey jrcasey@ldl.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Heaters again --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Larry, Received the heater today, thanks, what do I owe you??? A few questions, where did you find the control cable?? You said to get the good one so where did you get the good one? You have the Scat tubing exiting from the rear, I was thinking to have it exit forward so it's away from the prob and so I don't have to have the scat tube go around and under the carbs, Might be a cleaner shorter route for my application, do you see anything wrong with this?? Thanks again. Tim = ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas From: ul15rhb@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com Guys, It's good to hear they received only minor injuries. Since this was the maiden flight, it makes me wonder if they tied the tail down and ran it for an hour before taking it up. Ralph On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:27:32 -0500 Gene Ledbetter writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gene Ledbetter > > > > > > Two folks on board on its maiden flight? > > Gene > ------------------------------------------------- > > > DESCRIPTION > > ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS > FIELD. > > ACFT > > LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD > SUFFERED > > MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR > > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 > > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 > > > Unk: > > # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: > 1 > > Unk: > > # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: > 0 > > Unk: > > > > _-> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:46 PM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Heaters again --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" http://challenger.inebraska.com/prop_wrap.htm :>( J.D. Stewart Internet Nebraska-Norfolk http://www.inebraska.com UltraFun AirSports http://www.ultrafunairsports.com Challenger Owners E-mail list and Website Administrator http://challenger.inebraska.com > I am coming in on the tail of this thread but a word of caution. If you > are using some type of heater hose to the fan shroud on a 503 make > DOUBLE sure that the tube can't get to the prop if it comes loose from > its attachment to the engine. (Ask J.D. Stewart who monitors this list > what a heater hose snagged to the prop will do for you...) Other than > that little caveat piping the waste heat from the engine to warm your > shivering body is great... > > Jeremy Casey > jrcasey@ldl.net > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:17 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" Ed: That was my plane and it wasn't a test flight or maiden flight. FAA took first=0D flight of the day and made a maiden out of it. I have been trying to send pictures=0D to the photo list, but have been unsuccessful so far. I seem to get them to every=0D one else except pictures@matronics.com . I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but =0D I do know what I did wrong on the preflight. Didn't detect water in the gas and that's=0D what we found in the carburetor when we took the bowl off. I took that same gas, =0D there was about 6 gallons left that didn't run into the cockpit, and I run it through=0D Mr. Funnel and put it in my Windstar van. I started to go someplace last night and =0D got 900 feet from my house and the van quit running. I'm waiting for a tow right=0D now. It doesn't seem to be getting gas and we had low temperatures of 16 degrees=0D last night and the night before. Frozen gas line???? I did not see any water in =0D Mr. Funnel either. Things just aren't going my way lately. Scaffold crushed my =0D hearing aid that dropped to the floor, ice storm just collapsed my 10 X 16 foot=0D awning on my deck, complete loss, plus other things. Getting paranoid =0D and I can't fly.=0D Dallas Shepherd=0D Norfork, Arkansas=0D Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get to try=0D out either. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D Subject: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas=0D =0D --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" =0D =0D Listers,=0D =0D This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news (=0D www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor=0D injuries reported.=0D =0D Ed in JXN=0D MkII/503=0D =0D ** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 **=0D IDENTIFICATION=0D Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III=0D Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N=0D Damage: Destroyed=0D LOCATION=0D City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US=0D DESCRIPTION=0D ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT=0D LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED=0D MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR=0D INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0=0D # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:=0D WEATHER: UNKN=0D OTHER DATA=0D Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation=0D Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time:=0D Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:=0D N=0D Last Radio Cont:=0D Last Clearance:=0D FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =2E R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj 1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:55 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Getting paranoid =0D and I can't fly.=0D Dallas Shepherd=0D Norfork, Arkansas=0D Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get to try=0D out either. =0D Dallas, Have you walked under any ladders lately? If you see a black cat...kill it and eat it.... ;-) Chin up buddy! Jeremy Casey P.S. If I remember the story right, Mr. Goodyear burnt himself on the stove right before he dropped the rubber concoction on the eye and discovered vulcanization...he made a "few" dollars off that one... ;-) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:49 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Kolb-List: =OD's and all those numbers and letters --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" Listers:=0D Can anyone tell me what to do about all those OD's and assorted garbage that shows up when I send a message to the list? How do you highlight just a portion of the message you are answering. I either get one word highlighted or the whole thing.=0D Still Learning=0D Dallas R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj 1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:20 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Awright, wise guy.................does the local Ace Hardware & Aircraft Supply carry them ?? Harrrr..............! ! ! Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bean" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from > polyflow/plastic (nyloc) > polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or ball, > and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone manufacturers. > Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe > everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB > > Larry Bourne wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said "the > >biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them. > >(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and compression > >fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:58 PM PST US From: "Kevin Jones" Subject: Kolb-List: Partly built dragonfly --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" About two or three months ago there was a fellow in Tennessee or nearby who had a partly built Dragonfly for sale. Can anyone tell me who and where he is? kj ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:41 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > My Mk3/912 has the standard two 5 Gal tank set up. While pondering the possibilities of fuel starvation with the plumbing now installed it now looks like a fuel selector valve is mandatory. > Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL Duane/Gang: If I had the decision to make I would siamese the two tanks at their lowest points. Run fuel line from the bottom of each tank (using the rubber bushings and push fittings) to a "T" fitting. From the "T" fitting out the bottom of the fuselage with a shut off valve near the end of the line. Not only will this allow both tanks to seek a common level, but you will also have a built in sump/gascolators. As a matter of preflight, drain the line into a clear glass container and you are also draining your fuel system. You will also have to pull each float bowl about once a month to check for moisture and crud. I have used a similar system on my Mark III with a single tank. The sump and drain work well. Have never had an engine failure when I checked the sump and drained before the first flight of the day or when fueling from a questionable source. Sorry for the delay in responding. Have been out of the loop for about a week. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:29 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Classic two tank selector valve(s) --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck I've been doing that mornings > when I get to the field. So far with rain, humidity, early morning sun, > etc., I haven't found any water in the tanks yet. I'll keep looking. Duncan Duncan/Gang: Don't give up looking for the water and sluge, it will show sooner or later. john h ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:40 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine Bulletins --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/6/02 9:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, dixieshack@webtv.net writes: > > Going over the e-mail.....I subscribe to the Rotax bulletins as they are > published.....you guys ever notice how many service bulletins and AD's > are published concerning the 912-914 series? Lordy, it's gotta keep a > feller busy just complyin'....givya somepin to do in th' winter months. > Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about > them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones. > Now, don't anybody take offense..... > > Enjoy life.... > Mike in WV > FSII > > do not archive > > I have noticed that very thing, had wondered....still wonderin as a matter > of fact! George Randolph Firestar driver from Akron, O > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:00 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Kolb-List: OD's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" Peter I have windows 98. I don't know if that answers your question or not. I'm not to well versed in this computer stuff. My Kolb list messages all contain it. I tried plain text for this message as was suggested. We'll see. Dallas Do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:16 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Kolb-List: software --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" Peter I'm using incredimail which I downloaded some time ago. Dallas do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:18 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Hi Mike, Svinga was a washout for angle, but I got 4lbs of crimp lugs for $8. I need some 2x3x1/4 6061 T6. When is your next trip down? You may want to take your time, its been cold, wet & miserable! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" Subject: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) > > Hey, Richard....Svinga Brothers, off Magnolia in Ocala. If you > haven't been there, e-mail off list. Give Jerry D. a call.....he may > have some leftovers. The angle I've used from Svingas' has the > composition stamped in/on it repetitively in its length, like every two > feet. > Glad to see you're feeling better and sorry I missed ya this trip, my > friend. > See ya soon..... > > Hillbilly Mike in WV > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:41 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Dallas, the sun will come back again...or so I keep telling myself. -BB do not archive Dallas Shepherd wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" > >Ed: That was my plane and it wasn't a test flight or maiden flight. FAA >took first=0D >flight of the day and made a maiden out of it. I have been trying to send >pictures=0D >to the photo list, but have been unsuccessful so far. I seem to get them to >every=0D >one else except pictures@matronics.com . I don't know what I'm doing wrong, >but =0D >I do know what I did wrong on the preflight. Didn't detect water in the gas >and that's=0D >what we found in the carburetor when we took the bowl off. I took that same >gas, =0D >there was about 6 gallons left that didn't run into the cockpit, and I run >it through=0D >Mr. Funnel and put it in my Windstar van. I started to go someplace last >night and =0D >got 900 feet from my house and the van quit running. I'm waiting for a tow >right=0D >now. It doesn't seem to be getting gas and we had low temperatures of 16 >degrees=0D >last night and the night before. Frozen gas line???? I did not see any >water in =0D >Mr. Funnel either. Things just aren't going my way lately. Scaffold >crushed my =0D >hearing aid that dropped to the floor, ice storm just collapsed my 10 X 16 >foot=0D >awning on my deck, complete loss, plus other things. Getting paranoid =0D >and I can't fly.=0D >Dallas Shepherd=0D >Norfork, Arkansas=0D >Kolb Mark 3/ 2200 Jabiru=0D >P.S. Got a brand new sensenich prop sitting out there that I didn't get to >try=0D >out either. =0D >=0D >-------Original Message-------=0D >=0D >From: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D >Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:13:05=0D >To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D >Subject: Kolb-List: MkIII down in Arkansas=0D >=0D >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" =0D >=0D >Listers,=0D >=0D >This MkIII accident was posted on the 12/06/02 issue of aero-news (=0D >www.aero-news.net ). Anyone know any details? Fortunately, only minor=0D >injuries reported.=0D >=0D >Ed in JXN=0D >MkII/503=0D >=0D >** Report created 12/5/02 Record 6 **=0D >IDENTIFICATION=0D >Regis#: 4672D Make/Model: EXP Description: EXP-KOLB MARK III=0D >Date: 11/28/2002 Time: 2115=0D >Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N=0D >Damage: Destroyed=0D >LOCATION=0D >City: NORFORK State: AR Country: US=0D >DESCRIPTION=0D >ACFT LOST POWER ON TAKEOFF ON ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT FROM A GRASS FIELD. ACFT=0D >LIFTED 100 FEET AND CRASHED IN TREES. THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD SUFFERED=0D >MINOR INJURIES. THE ACFT WAS DESTROYED. NORFORK, AR=0D >INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0=0D ># Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D ># Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:=0D ># Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:=0D >WEATHER: UNKN=0D >OTHER DATA=0D >Activity: Pleasure Phase: Take-off Operation: General Aviation=0D >Departed: UNKN Dep Date: Dep. Time:=0D >Destination: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing:=0D >N=0D >Last Radio Cont:=0D >Last Clearance:=0D >FAA FSDO: LITTLE ROCK, AR (SW11) Entry date: 11/29/2002=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=2E >R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B >URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt >E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE >CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ >AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ >Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj >1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 >BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:59 PM PST US From: Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Heaters, sorry about the email to the list --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Sorry guys, meant to email this directly to Larry, Did not notice I had bind copied the list , oops and Sorry. do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:46 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: software --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Dallas, That looks much better - ya, do that. Jerry At 07:28 PM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" > >Peter I'm using incredimail which I downloaded some time ago. >Dallas >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:58 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Gentlemen, Thanks for the great resource tips. Richard Swiderski do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Russell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aluminum angle message of Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:56:20 -0800 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Russell" > > www.mcmaster.com is a great source for all sorts of stuff, including > aluminum. > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:42 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck I enjoy making steep climbouts, (40MPH at full > throttle with 912), but maybe that's cutting it a bit close (comments > John H?). Is a more airspeed and less angle called for? > Peter V Peter/Gents: I can't tell you what to do or how to do it. However, as a general rule, steep climbouts at 40 mph indicated are putting you in the "deadman's zone" at lower altitudes. By the time you recover from the initial shock of losing the engine, you will be behind the power curve and not on top of your forced landing. Another problem we get into at low level in a steep climb out is we think the airplane is flying as soon as we get it in a level attitude, when in actuality we a mushing and stalling, not flying. I know, I made that mistake. Things never happen when we expect them to and usually problems mushroom when the engine gets quiet, especially at low levels. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:51 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: One less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" As usual John, I owe you my thanks. After self-teaching myself to fly in a Pterodactyl years ago before eventually totaling it during a screwed-up crosswind take-off that ended in a cartwheel, I thought I had become more careful and conservative with age. I see I still have a ways to go... I certainly don't have a death wish, so I take comments like yours and the other more experienced listers closely to heart. I am now in the process of installing my newly received aileron counterbalance kit (the size and weight of which really surprised me - they are serious chunks of metal!), and resigning myself to make all future climb-outs at speeds no slower than 55mph indicated. Take care, Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck I enjoy making steep climbouts, (40MPH at full > throttle with 912), but maybe that's cutting it a bit close (comments > John H?). Is a more airspeed and less angle called for? > Peter V Peter/Gents: I can't tell you what to do or how to do it. However, as a general rule, steep climbouts at 40 mph indicated are putting you in the "deadman's zone" at lower altitudes. By the time you recover from the initial shock of losing the engine, you will be behind the power curve and not on top of your forced landing. Another problem we get into at low level in a steep climb out is we think the airplane is flying as soon as we get it in a level attitude, when in actuality we a mushing and stalling, not flying. I know, I made that mistake. Things never happen when we expect them to and usually problems mushroom when the engine gets quiet, especially at low levels. Take care, john h = ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:58 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Lar, you got me there...have to go to a lab supply, cryogenic supplier, high pressure hydraulics, etc. -BB Larry Bourne wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >Awright, wise guy.................does the local Ace Hardware & Aircraft >Supply carry them ?? Harrrr..............! ! ! Do not Archive. > >Larry Bourne >Palm Springs, CA >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose >www.gogittum.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob Bean" >To: >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean >> >>concerning compression fittings---there's all levels, from >>polyflow/plastic (nyloc) >>polyflow/metal (stainless and brass) , ordinary automotive cone and/or >> >> >ball, > > >>and the top of the line, Swagelok, also available from clone >> >> >manufacturers. > > >>Swagelok is extremely hardy, reliable and expensive. I've used it to pipe >>everything from vacuum to liquid nitrogen. -never fails. -BB >> >>Larry Bourne wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" >>> >>>Naw, Jerb, ya didn't catch me this time........................I said >>> >>> >"the > > >>>biggest problem I've seen," then gave the correct way to tighten them. >>>(Some deep fryer thermostats use a 1/16" inch capillary tube and >>> >>> >compression > > >>>fitting. Tighten them 1/4 turn too much, and they're blocked - squeezed >>> >>> > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:29 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hello Kolbers, I would like to read some comments from any of you about the advantages or disadvantages that the X-TRA has or doesn't have over the Classic.I know the claims that the factory has and have all the specs on both. However I have heard some comments (wont' name names) that the X-tra is not all it's cracked up to be. I like the flatter wider windshield, and the wider cabin at the nose. If any care to comment I'm all ears. I know where there is a super deal on nearly completed Mark III Classic. And are near a decision on the two models. Also besides the obvious reasons. What about the 582 vs. the 912 and 912s? Fire for effect! Paul N4958P ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:10 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club fly-out to Everglades City in Florida. Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III: http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG Leaving Florida's East Coast: http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG Navigating by canal: http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG LAFA's newest Kolb addition http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG Planet Earth http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG Everglades City http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG Everglades City Tourists http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG X01 on Short Final http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG Peter Volum ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:27 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" B.S. Session Do not Archive. Fantastic ! ! ! Thanks Peter. Several things: Last April, before SnF, I went on an airboat ride about 6 or 8 miles north of Everglades City, at the back of the gas station/convenience store there. (Took a pic of the area from the air) That's where the young fella driving the thing did do-nuts down the channel - swapping ends at 20 or so mph (felt like 70 mph - - - - What Fun ! ! !) ...............this year, I'm gonna find him again, and take a movie of it. I think he expected to spook this ol' boy, but I was grinning so hard my jaws ached. I got some pretty good pics last year, before I ran out of film............baby 'gators and all. Won't be a problem this year.............Lar's gone digital. Then went down to the airport in the pics, and bought a ride on the (black ??) C-185 on amphibious floats that's based there in the winter. Guy says he spends the summers bush flying in Alaska. I believe him; he's sure got the plane for it. I even bought a T-shirt there, and it's one of my favorites. Good memories, made better by the hospitality of Brother Beauford. The picture quality of those photos is excellent...............what does that guy have ?? A fisheye zoom ?? Nice effect, and makes me feel better. I just bought a new camera, (gave up on the Olympus C-720 - anyone wanna buy it ??) and the telephoto adapter they sold me vignettes the pictures, and leaves a similar ring when on lower magnifications. Irked me pretty good, and I don't really need it, so I haven't really done much with it; but now maybe I'll go out and fool with it a bit. Stuck with the D.........d thing, so might as well use it. Here's lookin' forward to SnF '03. I'll make the same loop around southern Florida; then ride the ferry from Fort Myers to Key West; take in SnF; then hopefully up to Okefenokee. Is anyone on the List familiar with that area ?? Or, with the drought, is it even still a swamp ?? Go Gittin' Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club > fly-out to Everglades City in Florida. > > > Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG > > Leaving Florida's East Coast: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG > > Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG > > Navigating by canal: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG > > LAFA's newest Kolb addition > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG > > Planet Earth > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG > > Everglades City > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG > > Everglades City Tourists > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG > > X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG > > X01 on Short Final > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG > > > Peter Volum > >