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1. 02:24 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Jim Ballenger)
2. 05:06 AM - LAFA pics (Bob Bean)
3. 09:31 AM - Re: Conversion Program (John Hauck)
4. 09:42 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum)
5. 10:01 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum)
6. 12:01 PM - [ Dallas Shepherd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
7. 12:05 PM - [ Duncan McBride ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
8. 12:39 PM - Peter Volum Photos (Audrey Lewis)
9. 12:53 PM - Dallas' Photos (Peter Volum)
10. 01:06 PM - Re: Peter Volum Photos (Peter Volum)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (GeoR38@aol.com)
12. 03:51 PM - Re: safety pins (John Hauck)
13. 03:59 PM - Rotax Service Bulletins (John Hauck)
14. 04:03 PM - one less Kolb (Dallas Shepherd)
15. 04:10 PM - Re: Metal Resourse ? (John Hauck)
16. 04:14 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (John Hauck)
17. 05:09 PM - Re: one less Kolb (Ed Chmielewski)
18. 06:26 PM - Prop data FWIW ()
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| Subject: | Re: Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Peter
Great pictures. Are there lots of road for emergency landing purposes?
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club
> fly-out to Everglades City in Florida.
>
>
> Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG
>
> Leaving Florida's East Coast:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG
>
> Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG
>
> Navigating by canal:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG
>
> LAFA's newest Kolb addition
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG
>
> Planet Earth
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City Tourists
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG
>
> X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG
>
> X01 on Short Final
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
>
>
> Peter Volum
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Thanks Pete, I needed that. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Conversion Program |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> A while back, someone posted a great little program that converted
> units, SAE to metric, watts to hp, ect.
> Richard Swiderski
Hi Richard/Gents:
You can download the program "Convert" from my
index page:
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Convert/
john h
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| Subject: | Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Hi there Lar...
Where to start?...
The camera he used was a Sony - don't know what model, but he did swap
lenses on it a few times from a wide-angle fish-eye to a regular (50mm
or so) lens.
One of the pictures I linked was of an airboat rental place, but it lies
East of Everglades City, so it isn't likely the one you went to (this
one:
http://www.lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01060_1.JPG).
You can see the airboats lined up next to the dock.
I've met the guy who flies in Alaska. He's a regular at Everglades City
during the winter. Don't remember his name right now, but he all but
lives at the airport. He has a great looking plane. I have some
pictures of it somewhere that I may add to the Everglades City page.
If you head this far south on your way to Sun n' Fun, let us know. A
fairly large group from our club usually heads that way. You would be
welcome to join in.
Take care,
Peter
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
B.S. Session Do not Archive.
Fantastic ! ! ! Thanks Peter. Several things: Last April, before
SnF, I
went on an airboat ride about 6 or 8 miles north of Everglades City, at
the
back of the gas station/convenience store there. (Took a pic of the
area
from the air) That's where the young fella driving the thing did
do-nuts
down the channel - swapping ends at 20 or so mph (felt like 70 mph - - -
-
What Fun ! ! !) ...............this year, I'm gonna find him again, and
take
a movie of it. I think he expected to spook this ol' boy, but I was
grinning so hard my jaws ached. I got some pretty good pics last year,
before I ran out of film............baby 'gators and all. Won't be a
problem this year.............Lar's gone digital. Then went down to the
airport in the pics, and bought a ride on the (black ??) C-185 on
amphibious
floats that's based there in the winter. Guy says he spends the summers
bush flying in Alaska. I believe him; he's sure got the plane for it.
I
even bought a T-shirt there, and it's one of my favorites. Good
memories,
made better by the hospitality of Brother Beauford. The picture
quality of those photos is excellent...............what does that guy
have
?? A fisheye zoom ?? Nice effect, and makes me feel better. I just
bought
a new camera, (gave up on the Olympus C-720 - anyone wanna buy it ??)
and
the telephoto adapter they sold me vignettes the pictures, and leaves a
similar ring when on lower magnifications. Irked me pretty good, and I
don't really need it, so I haven't really done much with it; but now
maybe
I'll go out and fool with it a bit. Stuck with the D.........d thing,
so
might as well use it. Here's lookin' forward to SnF '03. I'll
make
the same loop around southern Florida; then ride the ferry from Fort
Myers
to Key West; take in SnF; then hopefully up to Okefenokee. Is anyone
on
the List familiar with that area ?? Or, with the drought, is it even
still
a swamp ?? Go Gittin' Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club
> fly-out to Everglades City in Florida.
>
>
> Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG
>
> Leaving Florida's East Coast:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG
>
> Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG
>
> Navigating by canal:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG
>
> LAFA's newest Kolb addition
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG
>
> Planet Earth
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City Tourists
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG
>
> X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG
>
> X01 on Short Final
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
>
>
> Peter Volum
>
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| Subject: | Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Jim / Guys:
For the most part we try to follow roads and canals (canals here often
have a flat endless runway next to them for emergencies), but there are
places where we pretty much have to cross open marsh and where an engine
out would mean a wet landing. In those areas we are resigned to the
fact that engine failure would mean a big headache. About all you can
do there is go high enough over areas with trees to be able to glide
past them to a flatter landing area in the event of engine failure.
Many of our clubs' safety seminars cover techniques for emergency
landings in water. One of our members got to put this training into
practice about four years ago when his Challenger's engine seized over
Biscayne Bay. He followed the procedures and made a textbook water
landing, but he was still surprised at how quickly his plane sank after
splashing in.
One of the powered parachute pilots in our group is a paraplegic who
flies a modified Buckeye using his hands only. Lost both legs in
Vietnam. He made it on that trip. He's got bigger cojo _ _ _ than I do!
Peter
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Peter
Great pictures. Are there lots of road for emergency landing purposes?
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club
> fly-out to Everglades City in Florida.
>
>
> Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG
>
> Leaving Florida's East Coast:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG
>
> Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG
>
> Navigating by canal:
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG
>
> LAFA's newest Kolb addition
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG
>
> Planet Earth
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG
>
> Everglades City Tourists
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG
>
> X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG
>
> X01 on Short Final
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
>
>
> Peter Volum
>
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| Subject: | [ Dallas Shepherd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Peter Volum Photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Audrey Lewis <audreylewis@planters.net>
Thanks for showing the photos of south Florida. Was the canal in Northern Fla?
There is one running east and west but never finished, also one was started
to drain the Okefenokee but it too was stopped. How did you mount the camera
outside and what type remote did you use. Great pictures.
Audrey
FSII 503 150 hrs--50 years flying
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Dallas, Those are some photos!
You are really fortunate to still be alive.
They are a tribute to the tough Kolb design and construction.
Peter
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| Subject: | Peter Volum Photos |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
No, that canal is in the South. It runs North/South next to US 27 and
that segment shot south of US-41.
The camera wasn't mounted. It was hand held by my passenger. The wide
angle lens gives an effect of being further away from the cockpit, but
at the most it is one arms length from the right seat.
The "short final" picture at Everglades City gives the impression that I
was going to kiss the runway because of the lens despite the fact that I
was right on the center line.
P.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Lewis
Subject: Kolb-List: Peter Volum Photos
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Audrey Lewis <audreylewis@planters.net>
Thanks for showing the photos of south Florida. Was the canal in
Northern Fla? There is one running east and west but never finished,
also one was started to drain the Okefenokee but it too was stopped.
How did you mount the camera outside and what type remote did you use.
Great pictures.
Audrey
FSII 503 150 hrs--50 years flying
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| Subject: | Re: Everglades City Pictures |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/6/02 10:57:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
peterv@etsmiami.com writes:
> X01 on Short Final
> http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG
>
>
> Peter Volum
>
>
>
For some reason this one was warm and fuzzy to me, Peter....nice shot.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Which reminds me, my struts are gettin kinda loose...we use to talk about
> bushings here ....anyone do that on their struts?
>
> george Randolph
George/Gents:
Started using bushings in my lift struts back in
the old Firestar days. Still use them on my Mark
III. Only way to keep from elongating the holes
is secure the lift strut fittings to keep them
from vibrating on the bolts or pin that attach
them.
john h
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| Subject: | Rotax Service Bulletins |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
you guys ever notice how many service bulletins
and AD's
> are published concerning the 912-914 series?
> Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about
> them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones.
> Mike in WV
Mike/Gang:
Although disappointing at times, it is a blessing
to get those Service Bulletins from Rotax on our
912s. Back in the medival period of
ultralighting, we ruined engines, had forced
landings, then got a simple letter explaining what
we needed to do to prevent this from happening.
Problem was the letters were dated a year or so
prior to the time we the customers were getting
the correspondence.
I have only had one Service Bulletin on my 912S
that required some work and it was completed in an
afternoon. That was the update on the valve
spring washers. I had alread flown the 912S to
Mucho Lake, BC, the year before, and was headed
for Barrow, AK, when I broke the airplane. Would
have happily made the 2000 flight all the way with
the thinner washers, cause I didn't know any
better. Before we took off on the 2001 flight, I
completed the update.
If the Service Bulletins save one person from
getting killed, they are worth it. Especially if
it is me. :-)
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Pictures are at the Matronics photo share now.
Dallas
do no archive
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| Subject: | Re: Metal Resourse ? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> I generally would not consider aluminum as a great choice for an engine
> mount, because it tends to crack due to vibration. it you use it, pay
> exceptional attention to the surface finish, basically polish the whole
> thing, including the insides of the holes!
>
> topher
topher/Gents:
That is all Kolb has used except the Ultrastar
mount which was 4130.
I went through three sets of 1/4 alum angle engine
mounts on my 912 in 1135 hours. Brother Jim
designed the engine, radiator, and oil cooler
mounts for my 912/Mark III because there were none
in existence at the time. I primed them with
epoxy chromate and finished them up with several
good coats of Pontiac Red Aerothane. The four
engine mount bolts that went through the alum
angle started working early on. Did not realize
what was happening until I replaced the first set
of mounts. Vibration rubbed the paint and primer
off the alum angle in a short period of time.
Then, even though the four bolts were snuggly
safety wired, when the paint and primer went it
opened up a small gap which allowed the engine
case and angle to keep on working. From then on I
did not prime and paint the mounts, but kept them
neutral. However, I did clean them with
phosphoric acid and alodine them with gold
alodine. Neutral is also available. Alodine
treatment last a long time and protects the
aluminum from corrosion.
When it came time to build the mounts for the 912S
I got some 3/8 inch angle from John Russell. The
increased thickness of angle, John's idea for his
912S powered Sling Shot, have worked much better
than the 1/4 mounts. I checked mine closely this
afternoon before I flew. Was showing a slight
trace of black from the rear bolts where the
engine cases mate to the aluminum angle. Time to
cut the safety wire and retorque the bolts. I
have 391.1 hours on these mounts. They are
holding up much better on the 912S than the 1/4"
angles did with the 912.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank Fittings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long
> in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction
> of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the
> end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot.
> jerb
jerb/Gang:
I use a finger strainer.
Last time I removed it, a couple years ago, it had
a good collection of FOD on it. But, it was doing
its job.
Scratching my head. I don't know where all that
crap came from.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: one less Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Dallas,
My heart goes out to you. You did a remarkable job in saving
yourself and your young passenger. The Mark III gave its all in protecting
you both.
Ed in JXN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: one less Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd"
<cen23954@centurytel.net>
>
> Pictures are at the Matronics photo share now.
> Dallas
> do no archive
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <fly3g@earthlink.net>
Kolb Listers,
I had the chance to compile some prop/engine data
today and thought I would share it with the list.
This is kind of long so be forwarned. The "Engine and
Prop data" excel spreadsheet will be posted on the
file server which has plots and lists the data taken.
First a little backgound. Three of us fly Kolb
Firestar 2 / 503 DCDI / 2 66"Blade Warp prop setups
from our home base 2V2 in Longmont Colorado. We had
an opportunity recently to hitch all three planes up
to an accurate scale for some static thrust
measurements and the results were plotted in the
spreadsheet noted above. Note that 2V2 is at 5056 ft
so our engines put out about 12-15% less HP than those
of you at sea level. Each of the planes were pitched
slightly diffently and Mike's plane uses a standard
Warp drive blade vs Mark and I who use the "constant
speed profile". At WOT:
Mike 276lbs@6300rpm/8degrees ,
Mark 232lbs @ 6300rpm/11.5degrees,
Gregg 232lbs @6600rpm/9.3 degrees.
Qualitative inflight performance from racing of the
three aircraft are that Mark's is the fastest of the
three (cleanest airframe/fewer dings, strut fairings,
special paint) with speeds approaching 90mph. Gregg
and Mike are probably about 3-7mph slower at the top
end. In climb Gregg performs the best by maybe 50-100
fpm probably due to lightest airframe/pilot combo
weight.
The ringer in this testing was I had an opportunity to
hook up my hangar mates (RANS S-12 ) 3 blade 67"Hot
Prop on my airplane. The Hot Prop is a really good
looking prop with a slick finish and beautiful
machining and my hangar mate says there aren't too
many around. No one has flung any mud through the Hot
Prop yet so I am not sure how its pretty finish will
hold up but it does have brass insert leading edges.
It is stiff like the Warp (vs. say an IVO). It was
about $150 more than my Warp setup (prop and spacer
and bolts). Anyway we hooked it up with no changes to
my 503. It did 298lbs @ 6200rpm/6 degrees (20%
better). Temps stayed about the same. Mark and I
both flew it with the same impressions and it did have
a positive impact on speed 78/85 mph and climb
850/960fpm. Interestingly in level flight WOT the
engine would wind up to 6600rpm. The mass of the Hot
Prop was within a pound of the Warp. Qualitatively
the noise level was significantly reduced according to
our group of observers on the ground. I fly with an
ANR headset so I wasn't sure how much diffent in the
air although the 3 blade configuration gives a
different sound than the 2 blade. Apparant vibration
was reduced as well (2balde vs 3 blade effect?). Mark
and I both could feel the additional performance in
takeoff acceleration. My hangar mate also has a 3
blade Warp I hope to try in the near future.
So if anyone is doing the prop decision thing I would
make a Hot Prop a consideration. If I was buying a
new prop I would have bought one for the noise
reduction alone since my Kolb already has great
performance. Although in my case I typically cruise
at 5500rpm @ 62mph and with the Hot Prop I was getting
5000rpm @ 62mph, not enough data to know if that
affected fuel flow significantly. Unfortunately my
hangar mate wants to bolt up to the Hot Prop again so
my days are numbered.... Don't get me wrong my WARP
has been a good tough prop and I have no problems with
it but the diffenece made quite an impression (Anyone
on the list want to buy a slightly used Warp?).
I will close this long letter noting that I was really
suprised that there would be that much diffence in
prop performance both thrust and sound. In addition I
am in no way associated, compensated or employed by
WARP, Hot Prop or Rotax, just one flyer relating my
experiences and crude measurements and impressions,
your results and mileage may vary....
Fly safe,
Gregg Waligroski
Kolb FS2/503
Boulder, Colorado
http://kolbultralight.homestead.com/
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