---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/07/02: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:24 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Jim Ballenger) 2. 05:06 AM - LAFA pics (Bob Bean) 3. 09:31 AM - Re: Conversion Program (John Hauck) 4. 09:42 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum) 5. 10:01 AM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (Peter Volum) 6. 12:01 PM - [ Dallas Shepherd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 7. 12:05 PM - [ Duncan McBride ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 8. 12:39 PM - Peter Volum Photos (Audrey Lewis) 9. 12:53 PM - Dallas' Photos (Peter Volum) 10. 01:06 PM - Re: Peter Volum Photos (Peter Volum) 11. 01:18 PM - Re: Everglades City Pictures (GeoR38@aol.com) 12. 03:51 PM - Re: safety pins (John Hauck) 13. 03:59 PM - Rotax Service Bulletins (John Hauck) 14. 04:03 PM - one less Kolb (Dallas Shepherd) 15. 04:10 PM - Re: Metal Resourse ? (John Hauck) 16. 04:14 PM - Re: Fuel tank Fittings (John Hauck) 17. 05:09 PM - Re: one less Kolb (Ed Chmielewski) 18. 06:26 PM - Prop data FWIW () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:54 AM PST US From: "Jim Ballenger" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Peter Great pictures. Are there lots of road for emergency landing purposes? Jim Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club > fly-out to Everglades City in Florida. > > > Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG > > Leaving Florida's East Coast: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG > > Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG > > Navigating by canal: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG > > LAFA's newest Kolb addition > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG > > Planet Earth > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG > > Everglades City > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG > > Everglades City Tourists > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG > > X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG > > X01 on Short Final > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG > > > Peter Volum > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:27 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: LAFA pics --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Thanks Pete, I needed that. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:30 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Conversion Program --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > A while back, someone posted a great little program that converted > units, SAE to metric, watts to hp, ect. > Richard Swiderski Hi Richard/Gents: You can download the program "Convert" from my index page: http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Convert/ john h ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:23 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" Hi there Lar... Where to start?... The camera he used was a Sony - don't know what model, but he did swap lenses on it a few times from a wide-angle fish-eye to a regular (50mm or so) lens. One of the pictures I linked was of an airboat rental place, but it lies East of Everglades City, so it isn't likely the one you went to (this one: http://www.lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01060_1.JPG). You can see the airboats lined up next to the dock. I've met the guy who flies in Alaska. He's a regular at Everglades City during the winter. Don't remember his name right now, but he all but lives at the airport. He has a great looking plane. I have some pictures of it somewhere that I may add to the Everglades City page. If you head this far south on your way to Sun n' Fun, let us know. A fairly large group from our club usually heads that way. You would be welcome to join in. Take care, Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" B.S. Session Do not Archive. Fantastic ! ! ! Thanks Peter. Several things: Last April, before SnF, I went on an airboat ride about 6 or 8 miles north of Everglades City, at the back of the gas station/convenience store there. (Took a pic of the area from the air) That's where the young fella driving the thing did do-nuts down the channel - swapping ends at 20 or so mph (felt like 70 mph - - - - What Fun ! ! !) ...............this year, I'm gonna find him again, and take a movie of it. I think he expected to spook this ol' boy, but I was grinning so hard my jaws ached. I got some pretty good pics last year, before I ran out of film............baby 'gators and all. Won't be a problem this year.............Lar's gone digital. Then went down to the airport in the pics, and bought a ride on the (black ??) C-185 on amphibious floats that's based there in the winter. Guy says he spends the summers bush flying in Alaska. I believe him; he's sure got the plane for it. I even bought a T-shirt there, and it's one of my favorites. Good memories, made better by the hospitality of Brother Beauford. The picture quality of those photos is excellent...............what does that guy have ?? A fisheye zoom ?? Nice effect, and makes me feel better. I just bought a new camera, (gave up on the Olympus C-720 - anyone wanna buy it ??) and the telephoto adapter they sold me vignettes the pictures, and leaves a similar ring when on lower magnifications. Irked me pretty good, and I don't really need it, so I haven't really done much with it; but now maybe I'll go out and fool with it a bit. Stuck with the D.........d thing, so might as well use it. Here's lookin' forward to SnF '03. I'll make the same loop around southern Florida; then ride the ferry from Fort Myers to Key West; take in SnF; then hopefully up to Okefenokee. Is anyone on the List familiar with that area ?? Or, with the drought, is it even still a swamp ?? Go Gittin' Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club > fly-out to Everglades City in Florida. > > > Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG > > Leaving Florida's East Coast: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG > > Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG > > Navigating by canal: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG > > LAFA's newest Kolb addition > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG > > Planet Earth > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG > > Everglades City > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG > > Everglades City Tourists > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG > > X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG > > X01 on Short Final > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG > > > Peter Volum > > = ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:07 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" Jim / Guys: For the most part we try to follow roads and canals (canals here often have a flat endless runway next to them for emergencies), but there are places where we pretty much have to cross open marsh and where an engine out would mean a wet landing. In those areas we are resigned to the fact that engine failure would mean a big headache. About all you can do there is go high enough over areas with trees to be able to glide past them to a flatter landing area in the event of engine failure. Many of our clubs' safety seminars cover techniques for emergency landings in water. One of our members got to put this training into practice about four years ago when his Challenger's engine seized over Biscayne Bay. He followed the procedures and made a textbook water landing, but he was still surprised at how quickly his plane sank after splashing in. One of the powered parachute pilots in our group is a paraplegic who flies a modified Buckeye using his hands only. Lost both legs in Vietnam. He made it on that trip. He's got bigger cojo _ _ _ than I do! Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ballenger Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" Peter Great pictures. Are there lots of road for emergency landing purposes? Jim Ballenger Flying a FS KXP 447 Building a MK III X Virginia Beach, VA DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > These pictures were taken from Kolbs and of Kolbs during a recent club > fly-out to Everglades City in Florida. > > > Photographer & Pilot in Mk. III: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01016_1.JPG > > Leaving Florida's East Coast: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01028_1.JPG > > Captain Bob in his "Oldie but Goodie" Kolb > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01037_1.JPG > > Navigating by canal: > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01055_1.JPG > > LAFA's newest Kolb addition > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01073_1.JPG > > Planet Earth > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01102_1.JPG > > Everglades City > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01100_1.JPG > > Everglades City Tourists > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01110_1.JPG > > X01 showing some of the groups planes by the runway > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01124.JPG > > X01 on Short Final > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG > > > Peter Volum > > > > > > = ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Dallas Shepherd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dallas Shepherd Subject: One Less Kolb http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cen23954@centurytel.net.12.07.2002/index.html -------------------------------------------- o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE Share your files and photos with other List members simply by emailing the files to: pictures@matronics.com Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos. o Main Photo Share Index: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare -------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Duncan McBride ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Duncan McBride Subject: Amateur Built http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/duncanmcbride@comcast.net.12.07.2002/index.html -------------------------------------------- o EMAIL LIST PHOTO SHARE Share your files and photos with other List members simply by emailing the files to: pictures@matronics.com Please view the typical Share above and include the Description Text Fields as shown along with your submission of files and photos. o Main Photo Share Index: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare -------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:26 PM PST US From: Audrey Lewis Subject: Kolb-List: Peter Volum Photos --> Kolb-List message posted by: Audrey Lewis Thanks for showing the photos of south Florida. Was the canal in Northern Fla? There is one running east and west but never finished, also one was started to drain the Okefenokee but it too was stopped. How did you mount the camera outside and what type remote did you use. Great pictures. Audrey FSII 503 150 hrs--50 years flying ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:21 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: Dallas' Photos --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" Dallas, Those are some photos! You are really fortunate to still be alive. They are a tribute to the tough Kolb design and construction. Peter Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:16 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Peter Volum Photos --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" No, that canal is in the South. It runs North/South next to US 27 and that segment shot south of US-41. The camera wasn't mounted. It was hand held by my passenger. The wide angle lens gives an effect of being further away from the cockpit, but at the most it is one arms length from the right seat. The "short final" picture at Everglades City gives the impression that I was going to kiss the runway because of the lens despite the fact that I was right on the center line. P. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Lewis Subject: Kolb-List: Peter Volum Photos --> Kolb-List message posted by: Audrey Lewis Thanks for showing the photos of south Florida. Was the canal in Northern Fla? There is one running east and west but never finished, also one was started to drain the Okefenokee but it too was stopped. How did you mount the camera outside and what type remote did you use. Great pictures. Audrey FSII 503 150 hrs--50 years flying = ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:03 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Everglades City Pictures --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/6/02 10:57:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, peterv@etsmiami.com writes: > X01 on Short Final > http://lafa.com/Photos/2002%20Everglades%20City/DSC01114_1.JPG > > > Peter Volum > > > For some reason this one was warm and fuzzy to me, Peter....nice shot. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:23 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: safety pins --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Which reminds me, my struts are gettin kinda loose...we use to talk about > bushings here ....anyone do that on their struts? > > george Randolph George/Gents: Started using bushings in my lift struts back in the old Firestar days. Still use them on my Mark III. Only way to keep from elongating the holes is secure the lift strut fittings to keep them from vibrating on the bolts or pin that attach them. john h ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:48 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax Service Bulletins --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck you guys ever notice how many service bulletins and AD's > are published concerning the 912-914 series? > Guess they got the 447 and 503's right, I never see anything about > them......."course they're not real airplane engines, only pretend ones. > Mike in WV Mike/Gang: Although disappointing at times, it is a blessing to get those Service Bulletins from Rotax on our 912s. Back in the medival period of ultralighting, we ruined engines, had forced landings, then got a simple letter explaining what we needed to do to prevent this from happening. Problem was the letters were dated a year or so prior to the time we the customers were getting the correspondence. I have only had one Service Bulletin on my 912S that required some work and it was completed in an afternoon. That was the update on the valve spring washers. I had alread flown the 912S to Mucho Lake, BC, the year before, and was headed for Barrow, AK, when I broke the airplane. Would have happily made the 2000 flight all the way with the thinner washers, cause I didn't know any better. Before we took off on the 2001 flight, I completed the update. If the Service Bulletins save one person from getting killed, they are worth it. Especially if it is me. :-) Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:50 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Kolb-List: one less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" Pictures are at the Matronics photo share now. Dallas do no archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:48 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Metal Resourse ? --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I generally would not consider aluminum as a great choice for an engine > mount, because it tends to crack due to vibration. it you use it, pay > exceptional attention to the surface finish, basically polish the whole > thing, including the insides of the holes! > > topher topher/Gents: That is all Kolb has used except the Ultrastar mount which was 4130. I went through three sets of 1/4 alum angle engine mounts on my 912 in 1135 hours. Brother Jim designed the engine, radiator, and oil cooler mounts for my 912/Mark III because there were none in existence at the time. I primed them with epoxy chromate and finished them up with several good coats of Pontiac Red Aerothane. The four engine mount bolts that went through the alum angle started working early on. Did not realize what was happening until I replaced the first set of mounts. Vibration rubbed the paint and primer off the alum angle in a short period of time. Then, even though the four bolts were snuggly safety wired, when the paint and primer went it opened up a small gap which allowed the engine case and angle to keep on working. From then on I did not prime and paint the mounts, but kept them neutral. However, I did clean them with phosphoric acid and alodine them with gold alodine. Neutral is also available. Alodine treatment last a long time and protects the aluminum from corrosion. When it came time to build the mounts for the 912S I got some 3/8 inch angle from John Russell. The increased thickness of angle, John's idea for his 912S powered Sling Shot, have worked much better than the 1/4 mounts. I checked mine closely this afternoon before I flew. Was showing a slight trace of black from the rear bolts where the engine cases mate to the aluminum angle. Time to cut the safety wire and retorque the bolts. I have 391.1 hours on these mounts. They are holding up much better on the 912S than the 1/4" angles did with the 912. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:08 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel tank Fittings --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > OH, one important thing I forgot to mention is cut a slot about 3/8" long > in the pick up end of the tube (the end inside the tank) in the direction > of the length of the tube. This is in case some debris should cover the > end of the pick up, it can still suck fuel in through the slot. > jerb jerb/Gang: I use a finger strainer. Last time I removed it, a couple years ago, it had a good collection of FOD on it. But, it was doing its job. Scratching my head. I don't know where all that crap came from. john h ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:13 PM PST US From: "Ed Chmielewski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: one less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" Dallas, My heart goes out to you. You did a remarkable job in saving yourself and your young passenger. The Mark III gave its all in protecting you both. Ed in JXN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Kolb-List: one less Kolb > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" > > Pictures are at the Matronics photo share now. > Dallas > do no archive > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Prop data FWIW --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kolb Listers, I had the chance to compile some prop/engine data today and thought I would share it with the list. This is kind of long so be forwarned. The "Engine and Prop data" excel spreadsheet will be posted on the file server which has plots and lists the data taken. First a little backgound. Three of us fly Kolb Firestar 2 / 503 DCDI / 2 66"Blade Warp prop setups from our home base 2V2 in Longmont Colorado. We had an opportunity recently to hitch all three planes up to an accurate scale for some static thrust measurements and the results were plotted in the spreadsheet noted above. Note that 2V2 is at 5056 ft so our engines put out about 12-15% less HP than those of you at sea level. Each of the planes were pitched slightly diffently and Mike's plane uses a standard Warp drive blade vs Mark and I who use the "constant speed profile". At WOT: Mike 276lbs@6300rpm/8degrees , Mark 232lbs @ 6300rpm/11.5degrees, Gregg 232lbs @6600rpm/9.3 degrees. Qualitative inflight performance from racing of the three aircraft are that Mark's is the fastest of the three (cleanest airframe/fewer dings, strut fairings, special paint) with speeds approaching 90mph. Gregg and Mike are probably about 3-7mph slower at the top end. In climb Gregg performs the best by maybe 50-100 fpm probably due to lightest airframe/pilot combo weight. The ringer in this testing was I had an opportunity to hook up my hangar mates (RANS S-12 ) 3 blade 67"Hot Prop on my airplane. The Hot Prop is a really good looking prop with a slick finish and beautiful machining and my hangar mate says there aren't too many around. No one has flung any mud through the Hot Prop yet so I am not sure how its pretty finish will hold up but it does have brass insert leading edges. It is stiff like the Warp (vs. say an IVO). It was about $150 more than my Warp setup (prop and spacer and bolts). Anyway we hooked it up with no changes to my 503. It did 298lbs @ 6200rpm/6 degrees (20% better). Temps stayed about the same. Mark and I both flew it with the same impressions and it did have a positive impact on speed 78/85 mph and climb 850/960fpm. Interestingly in level flight WOT the engine would wind up to 6600rpm. The mass of the Hot Prop was within a pound of the Warp. Qualitatively the noise level was significantly reduced according to our group of observers on the ground. I fly with an ANR headset so I wasn't sure how much diffent in the air although the 3 blade configuration gives a different sound than the 2 blade. Apparant vibration was reduced as well (2balde vs 3 blade effect?). Mark and I both could feel the additional performance in takeoff acceleration. My hangar mate also has a 3 blade Warp I hope to try in the near future. So if anyone is doing the prop decision thing I would make a Hot Prop a consideration. If I was buying a new prop I would have bought one for the noise reduction alone since my Kolb already has great performance. Although in my case I typically cruise at 5500rpm @ 62mph and with the Hot Prop I was getting 5000rpm @ 62mph, not enough data to know if that affected fuel flow significantly. Unfortunately my hangar mate wants to bolt up to the Hot Prop again so my days are numbered.... Don't get me wrong my WARP has been a good tough prop and I have no problems with it but the diffenece made quite an impression (Anyone on the list want to buy a slightly used Warp?). I will close this long letter noting that I was really suprised that there would be that much diffence in prop performance both thrust and sound. In addition I am in no way associated, compensated or employed by WARP, Hot Prop or Rotax, just one flyer relating my experiences and crude measurements and impressions, your results and mileage may vary.... Fly safe, Gregg Waligroski Kolb FS2/503 Boulder, Colorado http://kolbultralight.homestead.com/