---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/08/02: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:18 AM - Re: One less Kolb (woody) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Partly built dragonfly (woody) 3. 06:18 AM - Re: MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra (woody) 4. 06:26 AM - Re: one less Kolb (Airgriff2@aol.com) 5. 06:59 AM - Interesting Web Site & Ramblings. (Jack & Louise Hart) 6. 07:31 AM - Re: one less Kolb (woody) 7. 09:40 AM - Kolb for sale on ebay (Fackler, Ken) 8. 10:47 AM - Re: bushings (GeoR38@aol.com) 9. 11:42 AM - Re: bushings (Richard Pike) 10. 01:40 PM - Some Insight from Dallas (Jbowaf@aol.com) 11. 02:19 PM - Fw: Kolb (Clay Stuart) 12. 03:58 PM - Re: bushings (John Hauck) 13. 04:03 PM - Re: Fw: Kolb (John Hauck) 14. 05:12 PM - Re: Some Insight from Dallas (John Hauck) 15. 06:59 PM - Re: bushings (GeoR38@aol.com) 16. 07:29 PM - Re: bushings (woody) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:49 AM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: One less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody >you >will be behind the power curve and not on top of >your forced landing. .... when in actuality we a mushing and >stalling, not flying. I know, I made that >mistake. My second scariest moment in a Kolb was at sun and fun back in the eighties. I was flying an Ultrastar and did a steep climb out. Got behind the old power curve and there I was nose pointed up really high and me not going anywhere. I did not see much chance of lowering the nose as there were trees coming up to greet me. I managed to duck between the trees and to slowly ( very slowly) climb out and finally go on the right side of the power curve. It took me a while to figure out what went wrong. As it was happening I was to busy kissing my ass good bye to do anything other than keep it flying and not fall down. We learn from these little incidents. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:51 AM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Partly built dragonfly --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody At 06:10 PM 12/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kevin Jones" > > About two or three months ago there was a fellow in Tennessee or > nearby who had a partly built Dragonfly for sale. Can anyone tell me who > and where he is? >kj Ultralight or composite home built? I have a composite sitting in my back yard. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:51 AM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MarkIII vs MarkIII X-tra --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody At 09:53 PM 12/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > >Hello Kolbers, >I would like to read some comments from any of you about the advantages or >disadvantages that the X-TRA has or doesn't have over the Classic.I know >the claims that the factory has and have all the specs on both. However I >have heard some comments (wont' name names) that the X-tra is not all it's >cracked up to be. I like the flatter wider windshield, and the wider cabin >at the nose. If any care to comment I'm all ears. I know where there is a >super deal on nearly completed Mark III Classic. And are near a decision >on the two models. Also besides the obvious reasons. What about the 582 >vs. the 912 and 912s? If it really is a super deal on a classic go for it. You won't be disappointed. If you want you can re sculpt the classic nose and get a wider flatter more artistically pleasing shape. Check photo share to see what I was able to accomplish with an old classic ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:27 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: one less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com Dallas, after seeing the photos of your MK3, it's unbelievable you and your grandson walked away with minor injuries. Somebody sure was watching over you two that day. Fly Safe Bob Griffin ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:25 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Kolb-List: Interesting Web Site & Ramblings. --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart Kolbers, On a cold morning with so much snow on the ground that one cannot get the hangar doors open much less fly, I found the following web site. Lots of interesting articles about flight, etc. If you are caught in the same weather state, I thought you may like to while away a bit of time too at: http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying_toc/taking_flight.htm I have been making and lining new brake bands, worked on the Victor 1+ coolant return bottle to prevent it from sloshing out coolant from the vent, and working on some holders to help hold the aluminum flashing a round a strut so that I can rivet the trailing edges with small soft rivets. The last fight was Thanksgiving day for the Kids and Grand Kids. Hangar door have been frozen shut for over a week. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Do not archive. Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:18 AM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: one less Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody Keep the faith Dallas. From what I saw in your pictures you may still have a rebuildable aircraft. A bit of welding on the front section , perhaps a new wing spar and assorted small tubing should get you back in the air within a year. I dare say mine was in a worse condition but it is flying now. Take your time and tear off all the fabric you need to and check for damages. It may surprise you how little it really was considering the circumstances. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:12 AM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb for sale on ebay --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" FYI... Item number: 1873606169 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:05 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bushings --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/7/02 6:52:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@sw.rr.com writes: > >Which reminds me, my struts are gettin kinda loose...we use to talk about > >bushings here ....anyone do that on their struts? > > > >george Randolph > > George/Gents: > > Started using bushings in my lift struts back in > the old Firestar days. Still use them on my Mark > III. Only way to keep from elongating the holes > is secure the lift strut fittings to keep them > from vibrating on the bolts or pin that attach > them. > > john h > > John/folks I understand the need to keep the fit naught naught for hole roundness, but don't have a clue where to get the right sized bushings for such a caper.....anyone?...oh, and how about hardness....too brittle and they crack?...too soft and they squash? Seems like RC/60 or so would be about right. Do they exist for the diameters that we use? Totally dumb in the bushing world. George Randolph Firestar driver from Akron, O ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:39 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bushings --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Ye Olde Aircrafte Spruce Catalogue, page 64, Bushing stock 1015/1020 steel. Weld it in place, and then drill/ream to fit. Sizes from 1/4" OD - /1/8" ID up to 3/4" OD - 5/8" ID All of it in .065 wall thickness Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 01:45 PM 12/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com >I understand the need to keep the fit naught naught for hole roundness, but >don't have a clue where to get the right sized bushings for such a >caper.....anyone?...oh, and how about hardness....too brittle and they >crack?...too soft and they squash? Seems like RC/60 or so would be about >right. Do they exist for the diameters that we use? > >Totally dumb in the bushing world. >George Randolph >Firestar driver from Akron, O > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:19 PM PST US From: Jbowaf@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Some Insight from Dallas --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jbowaf@aol.com when u feel up to it, dallas, sure would be interesting to hear ur thgts about ur recent mishap, esp re: how a brs chute may have affected the outcome; what engine u had: ur location; & any other details to forewarn the rest of us. tnx. jtb in btr. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:17 PM PST US From: "Clay Stuart" Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" Here is an email I just sent. I would like your comments. I will post their reply later. Thanks Clay Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay Stuart" Subject: Kolb > Jim and Dondi, > > Nearing time to cover my Mark IIIXtra Kolb (SN#21-1st heavy edition). I saw > you at the Kolb fly-in in Sept. I had the powder coating (aero-yellow) done > by Kolb on all the non-aluminum parts such as the cage and on the aluminum > fuselage tube. > > I have been reading the Kolb archives and I believe that I should put Tube > Seal inside all the powder coated steel tubing. I plan to cover all the SS > rivets with epoxy chromate. What do you recommend for the aluminum > framework before I cover? The tail feathers and wings have been completed > for over a year, but they don't seem to have any corrosion present. They > are dusty with a few dabs of bird guano. At Kolb you mentioned a wash to > reactive the aluminum protection. I plan to keep my plane hangered at all > times, and I don't especially want to paint the aluminum framework before > covering. What do you think? > > If I order everything at once, do I save in hazardous shipping charges? Is > there a cost savings for buying everything in the initial order? > > Thanks, > Clay Stuart > Danville KY > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:35 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bushings --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Seems like RC/60 or so would be about > right. Do they exist for the diameters that we use? > > Totally dumb in the bushing world. > George Randolph George/Gents: Just ask the man at the counter for bushing stock. Comes in lengths just like aircraft tubing. Check Aircraft Spruce Catalog, a good reference book for aircraft material. I am sure they have bushing stock listed. IIRC Firestar uses 1/4 inch bolts/clevis pins for lift struts. Order the bushing stock with 1/4 ID. OD will probably be 3/8 inch. Drill out the lift strut fitting to accept the bushing. Weld it in. Cut to fit the length to fit between the two tangs on the fuselage and on the other end between the lift strut tangs. Bolt them up with the proper length bolt, a couple washers and a nyloc nut. They won't wear and dance around like they used to. RC60 is pretty hard. I have my gear legs heat treated to RC48. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:30 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fw: Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Here is an email I just sent. I would like your comments. I will post > their reply later. > > Thanks > Clay Stuart Clay/Gents: Jim and Dondi monitor the Kolb List. john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:23 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Some Insight from Dallas --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > when u feel up to it, dallas, sure would be interesting to hear ur thgts > about ur recent mishap, esp re: how a brs chute may have affected the > outcome; what engine u had: ur location; & any other details to forewarn the > rest of us. tnx. jtb in btr. jtb in btr/Gents: IIRC Dallas has already done that. Check the archives and you can pull up his recent msg where he describes the engine failure to his Jabiru caused by water in the fuel. He also tells about getting behind really quick when the engine started losing power at low altitude while trying to climb out over to some trees in Arkansas where his private grass strip is located. john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:11 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bushings --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 12/8/02 6:59:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, jhauck@sw.rr.com writes: > Seems like RC/60 or so would be about > >right. Do they exist for the diameters that we use? > > > >Totally dumb in the bushing world. > >George Randolph > > George/Gents: > > Just ask the man at the counter for bushing > stock. Comes in lengths just like aircraft > tubing. > > Check Aircraft Spruce Catalog, a good reference > book for aircraft material. I am sure they have > bushing stock listed. > > IIRC Firestar uses 1/4 inch bolts/clevis pins for > lift struts. Order the bushing stock with 1/4 > ID. OD will probably be 3/8 inch. Drill out the > lift strut fitting to accept the bushing. Weld it > in. Cut to fit the length to fit between the two > tangs on the fuselage and on the other end between > the lift strut tangs. Bolt them up with the > proper length bolt, a couple washers and a nyloc > nut. They won't wear and dance around like they > used to. > > RC60 is pretty hard. I have my gear legs heat > treated to RC48. > > Take care, > > john h > thank you John > George Randolph > do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:01 PM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bushings --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > >I understand the need to keep the fit naught naught for hole roundness, but > >don't have a clue where to get the right sized bushings for such a > >caper.....anyone?...oh, and how about hardness....too brittle and they > >crack?...too soft and they squash? Seems like RC/60 or so would be about > >right. Do they exist for the diameters that we use? > > You usually want bushings a bit softer than the pins so they wear and not the pins.