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1. 01:43 AM - Status... (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:37 AM - Re: an addition in Iceland (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Hello all (Bob Bean)
4. 09:11 AM - Kolb Mk-3 for sale, first post (William George)
5. 09:14 AM - Mk-3 ride ()
6. 09:20 AM - Re: Hello all (hmhumes)
7. 11:23 AM - Re: Mk-3 ride (Terry)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs Xtra (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
9. 03:40 PM - Re: bushings (Tiffany Pitra)
10. 04:13 PM - Re: Mark III Classic vs Xtra (John Hauck)
11. 05:41 PM - Re: Problems I can't Seem to Whip (ZepRep251@aol.com)
12. 06:04 PM - Re: Mk-3 ride ()
13. 06:28 PM - Verner engine (M. Domenic Perez)
14. 08:47 PM - poppy (GeoR38@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
As promised, here's an update on this year's List Support Gift shipping
status! Wednesday 12/11 all of the CDROM-Only and all but 12 of the
CDROM+Flight Bag Gifts were shipped out via US Parcel Post. Maximum
delivery will be 8 days to the most remote areas.
For those receiving a CDROM+Flight Bag, note that the CDROM is tucked
inside one of the pouches in the Flight Bag so don't miss it!!
The remaining Flight-Bag+CDROM, Flight Bag-Only and A&P Book Sets will go
out as soon as the next shipments arrive, hopefully in the next few days.
Once again, I want to thank everyone that made a Contribution to this
year's Email List Fund Raiser! The email and web systems are now running
on brand new APC 2.2kva UPS systems thanks to the support of List members
this year. Additionally, the Email System will be upgraded later this
month with a new, Dual Processor 2.8Ghz Linux system due to arrive any
day! Your generosity has made these upgrades possible and nothing
else! Thank you so much!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: an addition in Iceland |
message of Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:50:02 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
Hey listers...Johann in Iceland received his first Christmas
gift......he's a new grandfather.....at the ripe old age of 43!!
Congratulations Johann....keep up the good work!
Mike in West Virginia
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Hugh, congratulations on decision to go Kolb. We all know why each of us
settled on the same thing, but out of curiosity what sold you on this brand
and who was runner-up? -BB do not archive
hmhumes wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "hmhumes" <hmhumes@attbi.com>
>
>Hello all.
>Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Hugh and I've been lurking on this list
a while now. I'm looking for a local owner/builder that would be willing
to set up a meet. I'd prefer to see a Mark III or Xtra since that's what I'm
going to build. I live near Santa Monica airport but I'm willing to drive 100
miles or more if I need to. I'd really like to see one in person and take a
flight in one if possible. Also, if anyone can recommend a good flight school/
instructor in my area. There's so many to choose from I could use a little
help.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Hubert Humes
>Future pilot
>Future Kolb owner
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb Mk-3 for sale, first post |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
This airplane was built in Hawaii and has always been stored in a
weatherproof enclosure.
Airplane information
Completed- 1993
Finish- Polytone Navajo Red
Total airframe time- 200 hours
Engine- Verner SVS 1400 twin cylinder four stroke 80 HP
Engine total time since new- 20 hours
Propeller- Powerfin "F" model wide chord 68 inch
Fuel- two standard 5 gal tanks, Facet pump, Gascolator
Propeller time since new- 20 hours
Cockpit- half doors, excellent for photography
Landing gear legs- Chromoly 4130 tube-in-tube
Tailwheel- full swivel Scott type on tempered 4130 strut
Tires- Airtrak
Brakes- New Matco dual cylinder, single puck with large capacity master
cyls.
Seats- Fiberglass buckets on aluminum pans
Radio- Microair 760
Panel- compass, airspeed, altimeter, rate of climb, Verner gauges
Lights- Aeroflash strobe
Emergency- Internal mount softpack BRS, ELT
Performance- Cimb 800-1000 fpm, cruise 65-70, fuel burn cruise less than 3
gph
Reason for sale- Underutilized due to local weather conditions and lack of
space
Trailer information
Construction- homebuilt, corrugated aluminum over a conduit frame
Chassis- single axle small wheels to facilitate lowering the rear for
load/unload
Floor- plywood
Accessories- battery and electric winch, internal lights
Price: $ 19,500
Airplane photos-
http://members.surfbest.net/wgeorge@surfbest.net/kolbphotos/
Verner dealer- http://www.centralfloridaflyers.com/
Verner on Gyro- http://www.rvk-architects.com/Ken/Gyro/index.htm
Bill George
Big Island of Hawaii
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Listers,
Hughs question about getting a Kolb ride reminded me that I need to get a check
ride in a Mk-3 or Kolbra real soon. I was unable to get to TNKs open house this
year where I had hoped to hop a ride.
I am a low time private pilot and fly a Loehle Sport Parasol, used to fly Pterodactyls,
but my only Kolb ride was back in the late 80s in an old Twinstar, a
ride that sold me on Kolbs. That thing really performed on a 503.
Anyway, is there anyone within a daytrip of Pittsburgh PA who would be willing
to sale me a ride in their Kolb.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3 690L-70
N616DR final assembly stage
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "hmhumes" <hmhumes@attbi.com>
I've always wanted to fly but just kept putting it off. When I had time, I
had no money. When I had money, I had no time. I'm sure at least a couple
of you can relate to that. :-)
Anyway I have lots of time now. I retired early last month! Actually I got
laid off after 11 years with the same company but things are turning out
much better then I first thought it would. We have enough savings to live a
simpler life and with the windfall I expect within a month or two, I'll be
able to realize some of my dreams. Getting my pilots cert and building a
plane are two of those dreams.
Why a Kolb? Good question. I spent years looking at various models of
homebuilt aircraft. I was also very intrigued by the Rotorway Exec helo. I
think it was called the 192 when I first came across it. I had pictures of
it plastered on my fridge... I also looked at a number of amphibs. Ordered
info packets from any number of manufacturers. Lot's to pour thru. I
realized that I didn't live in an area that would necessitate a float plan
and probably never would so after spending a few buck and lots of time I
checked the floaters off my list. By then my list was pretty small. I
hadn't really been looking at ultralights only "traditional" looking
airplanes. I don't remember when I first saw the first Mark III, but as
corny as it sounds, it was love at first sight. I know it's not an
ultralight but it has "that look" to it. I ordered the info video about 1
1/2 years ago and then ordered the Mark III Xtra builders manual shortly
thereafter. I showed it to a few of my flying friends at work and most of
them said, get a "real" plane. After swallowing my rising anger, I showed
them some stuff, sent them some website links and most of them finally
agreed that it looked like a pretty solid plane. After my success at
selling my "real" airplane friends I still had the toughest job ahead. It
went easier then I thought it would. My wife even likes how they look and
after I read to her various things she's even comfortable with me building
and flying one of our own. As you married guys know, this project will be a
MUCH easier process now that I have my wife's buy-in. I showed her some of
your building sites and read to her some of the builder's manual and she
said, " we can build this thing!"
Gotta go,
Hubert Humes
Future Pilot
Future Kolb owner/builder
(still trying to figure out my signature)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hello all
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Hugh, congratulations on decision to go Kolb. We all know why each of us
> settled on the same thing, but out of curiosity what sold you on this
brand
> and who was runner-up? -BB do not archive
>
> hmhumes wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "hmhumes" <hmhumes@attbi.com>
> >
> >Hello all.
> >Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Hugh and I've been lurking on
this list a while now. I'm looking for a local owner/builder that would be
willing to set up a meet. I'd prefer to see a Mark III or Xtra since that's
what I'm going to build. I live near Santa Monica airport but I'm willing
to drive 100 miles or more if I need to. I'd really like to see one in
person and take a flight in one if possible. Also, if anyone can recommend
a good flight school/ instructor in my area. There's so many to choose from
I could use a little help.
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >Hubert Humes
> >Future pilot
> >Future Kolb owner
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" <tswartz@hydrosoft.net>
Denny,
I would take your for a ride if we can find a nice day when I have time.
I'm at Lancaster PA, about 4 hours from Pitt. and fly a MK III with a 912, 3
years old with 265 hrs.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
rowedl@highstream.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 ride
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Listers,
Hughs question about getting a Kolb ride reminded me that I need to get a
check ride in a Mk-3 or Kolbra real soon. I was unable to get to TNKs open
house this year where I had hoped to hop a ride.
I am a low time private pilot and fly a Loehle Sport Parasol, used to fly
Pterodactyls, but my only Kolb ride was back in the late 80s in an old
Twinstar, a ride that sold me on Kolbs. That thing really performed on a
503.
Anyway, is there anyone within a daytrip of Pittsburgh PA who would be
willing to sale me a ride in their Kolb.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3 690L-70
N616DR final assembly stage
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
On 12/10/02, "Leonard S.Voelker" <lenvoelker@ccis.com> wrote:
<< I can't afford the Rotax 912 and so I am looking for a lower cost
equivalent. New Kolb didn't like the Verner 1400 and I'm not sure that they
even support the Jabiru any more. >>
Len, and other Kolb Friends -
Here's the reason why TNK told you they were not enchanted with the
Verner-1400 engine (this info comes from Ray Brown at TNK): The one unit
they had for evaluation was a used engine, from Canada. That engine
apparently came with problems - it would not start easily, and when it did,
it shook violently as only one cylinder would fire for the first several
revolutions. Would shake the whole airplane terribly until the other
cylinder caught.
At Sun'n'Fun 2000, they had the Verner on their demo Mark-3 for display.
During the show, it developed a leaky seal, and the USA Verner rep (Steve
Flynn, of Central Florida Flyers) happened to be on hand and helped them
replace the bad seal. But by that time, New Kolb was tired of fussing with
that finicky engine and scrapped further plans to evaluate and market the
engine as OEM for any of their 2-seater Kolbs.
Only two List members fly the Verner on their Mark-3s - myself and Bill
George. Admittedly, there is not a lot of actual experience (i.e., hours
flown) with the Verner on Kolbs compared to 912 experience. But don't let
that be the sole criteria for you to decide if the engine is "good" or "bad"
for your airplane
The Verner is a certified aircraft engine in Europe and Australia - just as
the 912 is. It's not as popular - Rotax has manufactured thousands of 912s,
Verner's numbers are merely in the hundreds. A thread on this topic was
discussed on the List a few months ago that concluded with the notion that
time will eventually tell whether the Verner turns out to be as reliable as
the 912, because there are presently so few flying in the USA.
Personally, I like the engine. It was a simple installation, with a
complete, bolt-on package delivered from the distributor. Seems to have
plenty of power. (Admittedly, I have not flown at gross yet, but I'm seeing
1000 fpm solo.) Like you, I could not afford a new 912, but I still wanted
the 4-stroke reliability for my Mark-3. The Verner was my choice. Check
Photoshare for some engine installation pictures that Big Lar posted 2
months ago.
If you check the archives, John Hauck posted a thoughtful comparison of the
Verner engine compared to his 912S. Basically, the Verner requires somewhat
more frequent maintenance (valve adjustments, plug changes, etc.) than the
912, and should really be considered a 70 hp engine for continuous
operation. But it's sufficiently powerful, runs smoothly, is 4-stroke, and
I could afford a new one ($7500, complete).
Try to check one out a little more closely before you totally discount the
idea of installing a Verner in you plane. And I've promised to relay
performance and reliability data on the engine to this List as I accumulate
hours on my own Mark-3.
Good luck in your engine quest ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, N93DK, Verner, Powerfin72 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tiffany Pitra <tif_qtra@yahoo.com>
Thats how we put the quil output assembly in the trans. on a UH-1 huey helicopter.
Tolerances are very tight , on the transmission output quil are cooled and
the trans. assembly area is heated. qtra
"M. Domenic Perez" <perezmdomenic@plateautel.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message
posted by: "M. Domenic Perez"
Parts that have been press fit together by heating the outer part and
cooling the inner one can, in fact, have a reverse procedure done to take
them apart if that becomes necessary. Use heat to warm the outer part (of
course the inner part will also be warmed at the same time). Then apply cold
to the inner part using a chunk of dry ice. This is effective, but probably
depends on the configuration being worked with. Handle dry ice with
considerable care. Applying it to something that's hot can be kind of
spectacular - lots of "boil and bubble". By the way, I have never done this
myself - I just witnessed a (non-aircraft) mechanic use the technique on an
assembly out of a farm tractor.
M. Domenic Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III Classic vs Xtra |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> And I've promised to relay
> performance and reliability data on the engine to this List as I accumulate
> hours on my own Mark-3.
> Dennis Kirby
Dennis/Gang:
Get busy and start putting some hours on that
bird. We are anxious to see how it works out.
Bill George just put his up for sale.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Problems I can't Seem to Whip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Try fastening your static line below your pitot tube.You can tape them
together if you want.Take the 1/4 in static tube,solder the end shut and then
drill 4 small holes in the sides of the tube,two on each side about an inch
apart.Mine tubes are 4 inchs below the belly anchored to the floor ,but they
should be fine both through the nose.The static is 1 inch shorter than the
pitot but that might matter either.It seems very accurate.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Thanks Terry,
If you could send me your phone number, I'd be glad to give you a ring.
Maybe after the holidays in January or early February if the weather allows
we'll be able to hook up.
Wow, 265 hours in three years, I am envious, now that my modest airfield is
finished maybe I'll be able to find more flying time..
talk to you soon,
Denny
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----- Original Message -----
From: Terry <tswartz@hydrosoft.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk-3 ride
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" <tswartz@hydrosoft.net>
>
> Denny,
>
> I would take your for a ride if we can find a nice day when I have time.
> I'm at Lancaster PA, about 4 hours from Pitt. and fly a MK III with a 912,
3
> years old with 265 hrs.
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> rowedl@highstream.net
> To: kolblist
> Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 ride
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Listers,
> Hughs question about getting a Kolb ride reminded me that I need to get a
> check ride in a Mk-3 or Kolbra real soon. I was unable to get to TNKs
open
> house this year where I had hoped to hop a ride.
> I am a low time private pilot and fly a Loehle Sport Parasol, used to fly
> Pterodactyls, but my only Kolb ride was back in the late 80s in an old
> Twinstar, a ride that sold me on Kolbs. That thing really performed on a
> 503.
> Anyway, is there anyone within a daytrip of Pittsburgh PA who would be
> willing to sale me a ride in their Kolb.
> Denny Rowe
> Mk-3 690L-70
> N616DR final assembly stage
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "M. Domenic Perez" <perezmdomenic@plateautel.net>
Dennis (Kirby),
I think an important fact people would be interested in knowing is the
base elevation where you operate out of. If you are getting 1000 fpm
starting at Moriarty and going up from there - well I wonder what she'd do
at sea level. Maybe those 4-strokes don't lose as much power at altitude as
2-strokes do, even when jetted properly.
We both live in New Mexico which has a very high mean elevation for the
whole state. Forget what it exactly is, however.
M. Domenic Perez
FS II, 503
Vaughn, New Mexico 5980'
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 12/12/02 9:38:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dixieshack@webtv.net writes:
> Hey listers...Johann in Iceland received his first Christmas
> gift......he's a new grandfather.....at the ripe old age of 43!!
> Congratulations Johann....keep up the good work!
>
> Mike in West Virginia
>
> do not archive
>
> Hey Johann!! you have no idea how warm and fuzzy you will be able to be
> around the little one....trust me. Being a grandfather is the best kept
> joyful secret known to mother nature.
George Randolph
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