---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/06/03: 46 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:02 AM - Re: Winter flying fun (Larry Bourne) 2. 12:21 AM - Re: Test (Larry Bourne) 3. 12:22 AM - Re: Test (Larry Bourne) 4. 12:47 AM - Vamoose On-Going (Larry Bourne) 5. 02:38 AM - Most days good flying weather (WillUribe@aol.com) 6. 03:09 AM - Re: Most days good flying weather (WillUribe@aol.com) 7. 04:52 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 01/05/03 (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)) 8. 05:49 AM - Facet Pump (Wood, John T.) 9. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 01/05/03 message of Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:25 -0800 (Peter Volum) 10. 06:13 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Bob Bean) 11. 06:27 AM - Oil injection (Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com) 12. 06:33 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Richard Pike) 13. 06:50 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Terry) 14. 06:54 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Peter Volum) 15. 07:21 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Peter Volum) 16. 07:38 AM - Re: Oil injection () 17. 08:58 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Richard Pike) 18. 09:08 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Terry) 19. 09:43 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Wood, John T.) 20. 09:44 AM - Re: Facet Pump (John Hauck) 21. 10:40 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Bill Futrell) 22. 10:40 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Terry) 23. 10:41 AM - Re: Facet Pump (John Hauck) 24. 10:42 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Bill Futrell) 25. 10:57 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Peter Volum) 26. 11:45 AM - Aileron and flap hinges (Richard Neitzel) 27. 12:50 PM - Re: Facet Pump (SR3SA2L1@aol.com) 28. 01:06 PM - Re: Facet Pump (John Hauck) 29. 01:14 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Bob Bean) 30. 03:20 PM - Re: Aileron and flap hinges (Don Gherardini) 31. 04:31 PM - Paul Poberezny Visit (Fackler, Ken) 32. 04:46 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Duncan McBride) 33. 04:52 PM - to Will (Paul Petty) 34. 05:25 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Richard Pike) 35. 07:03 PM - Re: Vamoose On-Going (woody) 36. 07:18 PM - Re: UltraStar Wing Mod (Richard Swiderski) 37. 07:32 PM - Re: The Stork (Richard Swiderski) 38. 07:44 PM - Re: Aileron and flap hinges (woody) 39. 07:52 PM - Re: The Stork (John Hauck) 40. 08:06 PM - Ivo prop repair (Timandjan@aol.com) 41. 08:10 PM - Re: The Stork (Peter Volum) 42. 08:32 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (Hugh) 43. 09:05 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (bob n) 44. 09:17 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (jerb) 45. 09:41 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (John Hauck) 46. 09:53 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (DAquaNut@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:39 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Winter flying fun --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Great Pics ! ! !.....................but am I ever glad I'm in Palm Springs.....................until next summer, of course. Brrrrrrrrr.............. Been There Done That Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Winter flying fun > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" > > My daughter was visiting for the holiday and agreed to come out and shoot a few pictures for me the other day, and heeeeeeere they are! > > http://www.hiperlightaircraft.com/kolb/winter_fun > > -Ken Fackler > Mark II / 503 > Rochester MI > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:20 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I was just reaching for the "send" button on my original reply, and, for once I looked at the out-going address. Am I glad I did ! ! ! Pheee--eeewww ! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "possums" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > > At 01:57 PM 1/5/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >This is my 2nd test today. I seem to have been bumped from the > >List. Tried re-subscribing this morning, but still no results, and my 1st > >test didn't come thru. If I AM coming thru, could someone please email > >me off List ?? Thanks. Lar. > > > > > It's still not working Lar, but keep trying!! > > >===================================================================== > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:34 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, you too. My buddies..............................???? Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > I didn't get it either, Lar... Right after Possum didn't get it.... Hope > > this helps... > > Beauford > > Possum, Beauford, Ya'll: > > Big Lar's gonna feel so much better now that you > all have hepped him out with his commo problem. > :-) > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:22 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Vamoose On-Going --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Oh Mercy...............now even my buddy Richard's pickin' on me. The shame ! ! ! There IS a ray of hope, tho'. Today, I finished re-assembling my re-drive, and posted 4 pics to photoshare, detailing the differences. Whenever Matt gets around to publishing them, I'll write a better explanation of what's what on them. Today I ran into an interesting little problem to add to the gremlins that have been after me on my computer. Richard, be glad you've only got Murphy in the rafters & shadows...................for me, he's hangin' over my shoulder. The (latest) problem: the modified drive components came with 4 specially machined socket head 3/8-24 screws to hold part of the spline ass'y to the engine. They're just 1/8" longer than the originals, so needed to run the threads a little deeper into the blind holes in the end of the crankshaft to compensate. That neat $%*#@ Chinese tap is just .002 larger than standard, and when I felt it get tight in the 1st hole, I stopped, and started checking. Glad I did ! ! ! This is one place where maximum strength is of utmost importance, and sloppy threads don't get it. Tomorrow, I'll take the old tap, a bolt, and the micrometer, and start hunting thru the hardware stores. All going well, (???) there'll be fire in the hole next weekend. GoGittum Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: geo > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" > > Bob, > Speaking of bets, Im gonna put all my winnings into the > Big-Lar-Will-He-Finish-It pool. I'm picking the winter of 2009. I always > wanted to be rich so we've got to sell it to all on this list. Being the > trustworthy gentlman that I am, I will hold all the $2 bets, and since we > know nothings going to happen for a very very long time, I'll invest the pot > in long term mutual funds & buy me a ready to fly Kolb. Please do not copy > this idea because it came to me 1st right here! > Richard Swiderski > do not archive > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:30 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Most days good flying weather --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/03/03 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > http://members.aol.com/uguribe/pic01.jpg > > > > Will Uribe > > Will/Gents: > > How's the flying weather in your neck of the woods > this time of year? > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE Hi John, It has been good flying weather for the last two weeks of my vacation. It was windy on Sunday with a cross wind. On the first landing I bounced it a couple of times so I decided to park it and help install the doors on the Mississippi trip, my holiday vacations are now history, back to work. Raul like always was flying his FireStar all day until one of the guys in the soaring club invited him to go glider flying. I think they just wanted to get his FireStar out of the traffice pattern ;-) Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:37 AM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Most days good flying weather --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com > Hi John, > It has been good flying weather for the last two weeks of my vacation. It was > windy on Sunday with a cross wind.=A0 On the first landing I bounced it a > couple of times so I decided to park it and help install the doors on the > Mississippi trip, my holiday vacations are now history, back to work. > Raul like always was flying his FireStar all day until one of the guys in the > soaring club invited him to go glider flying.=A0 I think they just wanted=20to > get his FireStar out of the traffice pattern ;-) One of Matt's programs must have cut out some of the text I wrote, let me try again. Must be the way I wrote xair, I'll change it. Hi John, It has been good flying weather for the last two weeks of my vacation. It was windy on Sunday with a cross wind.=A0 On the first landing I bounced it a couple of times so I decided to park it and help install the doors on the XAir.=A0 I couldn't stay late because I had to get ready for my two week Mississippi trip, my holiday vacations are now history, back to work. Raul like always was flying his FireStar all day until one of the guys in the soaring club invited him to go glider flying.=A0 I think they just wanted to get his FireStar out of the traffice pattern ;-) Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:38 AM PST US From: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 01/05/03 message of Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:25 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Hey, Peter, were those pictures taken around Homestead? Sorta looks familiar. Mike in WV do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:25 AM PST US From: "Wood, John T." Subject: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the archives. Did not find a solution to my question. John Wood Firestar N670JW ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:58 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 01/05/03 message of Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:25 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" Yes Mike, they were. Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Dixie Shackelford Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 40 Msgs - 01/05/03 message of Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:56:25 -0800 --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford) Hey, Peter, were those pictures taken around Homestead? Sorta looks familiar. Mike in WV do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:27 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean John, when the facet comes up to pressure, it will stop clicking or click just occasionally. Is that what yours is doing? Also, there are different models with different cut-out pressures. Check which one you have. -BB do not archive Wood, John T. wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is >no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >John Wood >Firestar N670JW > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Oil injection From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com 01/06/2003 08:26:11 AM, Serialize complete at 01/06/2003 08:26:11 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 01/06/2003 08:26:53 AM, Serialize by Router on HUDOMGW1/HTI(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 01/06/2003 08:26:56 AM, Serialize complete at 01/06/2003 08:26:56 AM --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com Does anyone out there have a complete oil injection system laying around that they would want to part with? I have a 377 and would like to get away from mixing gas and oil. The Flying Farmer do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:39 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is >no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >John Wood >Firestar N670JW > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:40 AM PST US From: "Terry" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is >no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >John Wood >Firestar N670JW > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:44 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" John, do you have the pump installed below the fuel tank? If I remember correctly, when I installed mine that was one of the installation requirements. I think that air in the line BEFORE the pump can be a problem, but after the pump they shouldn't be. At least, in my set-up air in the line after the pump hasn't impeded the flow. Peter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the Carburetor. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:31 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" My fuel tank exits from the top, but the fuel line then goes down to below the base of the tank before entering the pump. This ensures the required positive (gravity fed) pressure to the pump at all times. Provided the line remains primed, it makes no difference if your line comes out of the top or bottom of the tank. IMHO, if you use plastic tanks, top is better than bottom as it eliminates the chance of leakage. Peter Volum -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is >no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >John Wood >Firestar N670JW > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:05 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oil injection --> Kolb-List message posted by: I have a pump from a 503 that has never been used. Give me an email at dama@mindspring.com for more deatls. Thanks, Kip ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:13 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) before it starts to work? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > >Terry > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." >> >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem >is >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. >> >>John Wood >>Firestar N670JW >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:30 AM PST US From: "Terry" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired mine up and I have never run it out of gas, thank goodness. I did change the plumbing one time, so I had the lines disconnected and I didn't do anything special to get it pumping again. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) before it starts to work? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > >Terry > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." >> >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem >is >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. >> >>John Wood >>Firestar N670JW >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:13 AM PST US From: "Wood, John T." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." Thanks for the responses to my Facet problem. I have tried the pump both above and below the tank and it still did not work. That is what prompted me to seek advise from the experts. Based on your responses it seems that I might have a bad pump. I purchaed the lowest pressure pump. Maybe I need more pressure to overcome the air in the lines? John Wood Firestar N670JW -----Original Message----- From: Terry [mailto:tswartz@hydrosoft.net] Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired mine up and I have never run it out of gas, thank goodness. I did change the plumbing one time, so I had the lines disconnected and I didn't do anything special to get it pumping again. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) before it starts to work? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > >Terry > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." >> >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem >is >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. >> >>John Wood >>Firestar N670JW >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:47 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired > Terry Terry/Gang: I use and have used the Facet pump in several applications: Rotax 447 (auxilary) 582 " 912 " 912S " Onan 4 kw generator (primary) Ford 351W marine engine (auxilary) All have been self priming. The Onan pulls fuel from an aux tank in the front of my Dodge/Cummins truck bed to the rear where the Onan is permanently installed. No problems with any of them other than salt water corrosion in the boat and that was because of the location I picked out to install it. Lesson learned. :-) Don't buy a no name look alike product from JC Whitney and expect it to perform like a Facet. I have already done that and learned the hard way. Facet also sells under the Purolator brand name. john h (Got out and exercised Miss P'fer this weekend. 1.4 hrs Sat and 4.1 hours Sun. Felt good!) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:15 AM PST US From: "Bill Futrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Futrell" When I installed my Facet it would not pick up the prime [and it is mounted below the tanks] until I took the line off at the engine driven fuel pump.Then it picked up the fuel ok and have not had problem since. Pull the line off at the engine until the pump and lines are primed and you will be ok. Bill Futrell Do Not Archive----- Original Message ----- From: Wood, John T. Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > > Thanks for the responses to my Facet problem. I have tried the pump both > above and below the tank and it still did not work. That is what prompted me > to seek advise from the experts. Based on your responses it seems that I > might have a bad pump. I purchaed the lowest pressure pump. Maybe I need > more pressure to overcome the air in the lines? > > John Wood > Firestar N670JW > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry [mailto:tswartz@hydrosoft.net] > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > > I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired > mine up and I have never run it out of gas, thank goodness. I did change > the plumbing one time, so I had the lines disconnected and I didn't do > anything special to get it pumping again. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: > Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the > flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) > before it starts to work? > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > > > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines > >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > > > >Terry > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. > >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > > > >Richard Pike > >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >> > >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem > >is > >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the > >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to > >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may > >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace > >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in > >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the > >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >> > >>John Wood > >>Firestar N670JW > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:47 AM PST US From: "Terry" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" Stay with the low pressure so you don't overpower the float valve. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wood, John T. Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." Thanks for the responses to my Facet problem. I have tried the pump both above and below the tank and it still did not work. That is what prompted me to seek advise from the experts. Based on your responses it seems that I might have a bad pump. I purchaed the lowest pressure pump. Maybe I need more pressure to overcome the air in the lines? John Wood Firestar N670JW -----Original Message----- From: Terry [mailto:tswartz@hydrosoft.net] Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired mine up and I have never run it out of gas, thank goodness. I did change the plumbing one time, so I had the lines disconnected and I didn't do anything special to get it pumping again. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) before it starts to work? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > >Terry > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike >To: kolb-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." >> >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem >is >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. >> >>John Wood >>Firestar N670JW >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:48 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I purchaed the lowest pressure pump. Maybe I need > more pressure to overcome the air in the lines? > > John Wood John W/Gents: I am no Facet expert, but pressure regulation does not seem to be your problem. If you are unsure about the pump, pull it out, plumb it with a pick up and discharge hose. Wire it up and see if, in fact it will pump fuel. You can raise it and lower it depending on how much hose you plumb to it for your experiment. I assume the pump is operating (getting the rattatatta noise) but not self priming and pumping fuel from the discharge line. Someone indicated the pump would shut off when it reached the regulated pressure. None of my Facets shut down at that point. They continue to operate even after reaching regulated pressure point. Make sure you have not air leaks in your lines. john h ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Futrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Futrell" Richard I have my fuel line coming out the top of the tank with the pump below the tank and it will work ok,just open the line out the engine until the lines are primed and you are ok. Bill Futrell Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: > Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the > flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) > before it starts to work? > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" > > > >I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines > >exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. > > > >Terry > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike > >To: kolb-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > >The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. > >If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > > > >Richard Pike > >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > >At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > >> > >>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem > >is > >>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the > >>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to > >>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may > >>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace > >>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in > >>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the > >>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > >> > >>John Wood > >>Firestar N670JW > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:58 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" I didn't have to prime the first time on my set-up either. Even if the auxiliary Facet pump wasn't self-priming, wouldn't the fuel line self-prime as a result of the main pump doing its work during the initial cranking? This may take some time the first time, but after that the lines would remain primed and the Facet pump would do its job from the start. Before changing pumps to a higher pressure model make sure you check the engine manual so you don't exceed the maximum pressure it is designed to work with. You don't want gas to start spewing out. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" I think it will. I don't remember priming the lines the first time I fired mine up and I have never run it out of gas, thank goodness. I did change the plumbing one time, so I had the lines disconnected and I didn't do anything special to get it pumping again. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) before it starts to work? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:47 AM PST US From: "Richard Neitzel" Subject: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap hinges --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel" Greetings I am in the process of mating the ailerons and flaps to the recently completed wings. The manual on the subject seems straight forward but does anyone have any hints that will aid in the needed accuracy of hinge placement? Thank you ahead of time. Dick Neitzel Sayner WI Mark III neitzel@newnorth.net ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:45 PM PST US From: SR3SA2L1@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com John and All, You may want to consider adding a pressure regulator to your fuel system when you are adding an electric aux fuel pump. Steve ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:07 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > You may want to consider adding a pressure regulator to your fuel system when > you are adding an electric aux fuel pump. > > Steve Steve/Gents: I personally have not found a pressure regulator necessary in any of the applications I have used the Facet as an aux pump. john h ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:54 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean John, I like the ratatata description....first time I used mine I just stuck the suction line in a jerry can on the ground. It sucked fine with no prime. I have a napa regulator after it which I am not sure I will leave in - it's heavy pot metal, just another source of failure, and possibly not necessary. Decisions, decisions. -BB , momentum shot to hell do not archive Richard Pike wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >OK, I obviously missed it on that one - question: >Will the Facet draw the fuel up, over and down to itself and then keep the >flow going, or does it need to have fuel in the lines to itself (primed) >before it starts to work? >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > >At 09:55 AM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" >> >>I have a Facet on my MK III mounted below the gas tanks and my fuel lines >>exit from the top of the tank. It has worked fine from day one. >> >>Terry >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike >>To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump >> >> >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike >> >>The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. >>If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. >> >>Richard Pike >>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) >> >> >>At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >> >> >>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." >>> >>>I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the >>>Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to >>>push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may >>>keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace >>>the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in >>>pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the >>>archives. Did not find a solution to my question. >>> >>>John Wood >>>Firestar N670JW >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:57 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap hinges --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Dick, Take a look at how I did it on the wing attachment page of my web site...it is page 3 or 4. To get the 3 hinges EXACTLY even with each other on my firefly, I made some tblocks of aluminum, with a hole the size of the hinge pin just where the print calls for it. Then cut an extra long section of hinge pin and stick it thru the hinge, and the "t block"..this was you keep the prescribed distance from the trailing edge to the aileron and they all 3 will be just right. when I was finished, those hinges moved like they were on bearings....perfect, with no a hint of binding. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini Firefly 098 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:35 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Paul Poberezny Visit --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" For any of you Listers in or near SE Michigan this week: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Toelle" Subject: Paul Poberezny Visit EAA Chapter 1413 proudly presents: PAUL POBEREZNY For 30 years he said "airplane, sir" as he served his country as a pilot, flight instructor and mechanic. He holds all seven military pilot wings. The roots of EAA began with Paul's collection of airplane parts from crashes and junked aircraft, which he turned into a museum in the family basement. EAA's first fly-in was in Milwaukee in 1953. Paul served as president until 1989, when he was named chairman of the board. During that time, EAA had grown from a basement operation into a worldwide organization with more than 100,000 members. Paul has more than 30,000 flight hours in over 400 types of aircraft, including more than 170 homebuilts and 15 of his own design. Saturday, July 24, 1999 Paul was inducted into the National Aviation Hall Of Fame in Dayton, Ohio. Thursday January 9, 2003 - 7:30pm Michigan Aviation Oakland County International Airport PLEASE JOIN US FOR THIS HISTORIC NIGHT For more information please e-mail mikeo@eaaptk.org Or visit our website at www.eaaptk.org ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:57 PM PST US From: Duncan McBride Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride I have a facet pump that sits even with the bottom of the plastic tanks. I run the line out the top of the tanks and down in a loop below the bottom of the tanks and into the pump. From there the line goes up about 30 inches to the mechanical pump. It primed the mechanical pump and carbs just fine. With the gas turned off ( valve between the tank and the facet pump) the facet clicks pretty loud - when I turn on the gas it clicks quieter until the pressure comes up then it gets a little quieter still, but you can still hear it ok. Have you disconnected the fuel line between teh carbs and the mechanical pump to see if the facet is pumping fuel through the mechanical pump? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > The Facet needs to be at the lowest point in the system, and gravity fed. > If your fuel line exits your tank from the top, you may be up the creek. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > At 05:49 AM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." > > > >I purchased a Facet pump to supplement the Rotax's pulse pump. My problem is > >no matter where I locate the pump it will not prime the lines to the > >Carburetor. In a test of the pump outside the system, the pump appears to > >push the gas just fine. The instructions talk about air in the system may > >keep the pump from priming. If this is the case how can the facet replace > >the squeeze bulb? How does the facet pump differ from the squeeze bulb in > >pushing the fuel through the air filled lines? I have check out the > >archives. Did not find a solution to my question. > > > >John Wood > >Firestar N670JW > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:59 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: to Will SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, USER_IN_WHITELIST) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hi Will, Tried to e-mail you directly but no response. When do you plan to visit Mississippi? And what part? I am in central MS. pp.... do not archive ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:12 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike At 04:16 PM 1/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > >John, I like the ratatata description... >I have a napa regulator after it which I am not sure I will leave in - it's >heavy pot metal, just another source of failure, and possibly not necessary. >Decisions, decisions. -BB , momentum shot to hell do not archive I use my Facet to fed the Mikuni pump, got rid of the pressure regulator, everything is happy. The facet I use puts out about 2-3 pounds pressure. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:44 PM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose On-Going --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > >$%*#@ Chinese tap is just .002 larger than standard, >and when I felt it get tight in the 1st hole, I stopped, and started >checking. Glad I did ! ! ! This is one place where maximum strength is of >utmost importance, and sloppy threads don't get it. Gosh Lar I would have just got the old hacksaw out (new blade) and just hacked an eighth off the end of each bolt and touched it up with a file. Perhaps just grinding the threads off the first eighth on an inch would be enough. Probably 5 minutes each. I got faith in ya pal. Put me down for late summer of 04 for first flight. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:31 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: UltraStar Wing Mod --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Ed, I looked into the options of stiffening my ol US wings also. The trailing edge tube is only .028" thick. It probably wouldn't take the stress. John's suggestion about stiffening the inboard edge of the main spar is what I did. It made such a huge difference that I didn't even consider doing anything more. I described the process in the archives. If you can't find them, call me, 352-307-9009 Regarding landing gear, I found that large diameter, thin wall chromemoly steel tubing with a bungie cord supension was the lightest way to go & still have the strength you need. They were abused & kept comming.back for more You can see it at the website John posted http://lafa.com/Photos/Robert%20is%20Here/006.jpg. also checkout the nose job, It weighed only a coupl of lbs as it was out of stitz & thin aluminum tube They were abused & kept comming.back for more >>>> I have decided to attempt to stiffin the wings due to the warpage created by the ailerons....I am thinking of adding a lift strut to the rear "spar" and adding some reinforcment to the full ribs.....any ideas? Of coarse, I am trying to keep the weight down but may have created a "fat one" already with Azusa brakes and modified landing gear with fiberglass 1.25 inch rods. To stay legal I may have to forget all instruments except engine gauges and forget the fiberglass nose fairing. The new seat tank is heavy too , and with 6 gallons the legal issue is comprimised anyway....... Ed in Western NY > > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:53 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Stork --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Hey John, thats' quite a piece of history you found! Its definitely my old bird . It just doesn't seem right that she is making an other pilot as happy as she made me . I think the feeling is called jealousy. I guess I'll just not look at her & see iff that helps. John, where is this picture taken? Is he an active pilot? I lost track of him, Last I heard he was down miami way. Sentimental Richard > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > Richard S/Gents: > > Isn't this your old Ultrastar? The one I > affectionately refer to as the Stork? Sure looks > like it. :-) > > http://lafa.com/Photos/Robert%20is%20Here/006.jpg > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:03 PM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap hinges --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody At 05:25 PM 1/6/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > >Dick, >Take a look at how I did it on the wing attachment page of my web site...it >is page 3 or 4. > > >http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > >Don Gherardini >Firefly 098 Great workmanship and great web site. Kinda puts my rude and crude ways to shame. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:43 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Stork --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > John, where is this picture taken? Is he an active pilot? I lost track > of him, Last I heard he was down miami way. Sentimental Richard Richard/Gents; Know what you mean. 15 years ago I was chasing that little Ultrastar around the Gator Ultralight Strip with my little Firestar. Richard didn't know I existed. I tailed him for 15 minutes, then let him see me. I might add, I was right on his tail too. He was flying around the area north of the field. There was an antenna tower up there. In the area where HWY 27 and the interstate interset, IIRC. I was flying from Alabama to Miami in Nov 1987, and return. A 1,500 mile flight, round trip. My first extra long flight. A couple weeks prior, I had flown from Alabama to Lake City, FL, for the North Florida Airshow. That was my first overnight flight. Was a test to see if I had everything I needed to get the job done. That was about a 600 mile round trip. Those two flights were the beginning of many more ultralight flights over the years. At that time I had no idea that I would ever fly to Alaska. Six years later I landed at Dead Horse/Prudoe Bay, Alaska. Still amazes me............... john h ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:10 PM PST US From: Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com I have been chatting with Ivo prop about repairing a chip in my prop blade. They said the best is to use a polyester resin for the repair. I a wondering if anybody out there has advice/experience on how to use and buy a polyster resin. How is it purchased? I am familiar with epoxy and fiberglass resin, but when they say a polyetser resin, what exactly do they mean? Maybe the fiberglass resin is just that?? Thanks Tim ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:54 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: The Stork --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" Hi Richard - Peter here. I took that photo last Sunday. I run the LAFA (Light Aircraft Flyers Association) web site in Miami. Your old flame is now owned by Bob Musgrove whom we affectionately call Cap'n Bob in our club. He is a retired 747 pilot, our club mentor, and with about 26,000 hours of flying experience, a source of very valuable information and insight. Let me assure you that your ex is in very capable hands. Bob does things with that plane that I've never seen anybody else do, yet he's as quiet and unassuming a person as you could ever hope to meet. You will see a lot more photos of him and your (his) Kolb on the photo pages of our club's web site http://www.lafa.com/PhotosEvents.htm I also wrote a brief summary about our little escapade on Sunday here: http://www.lafa.com/RobertIsHere.htm (which includes the photo that John sent you). Did you sell your plane to Bob directly? Or did somebody else own her in-between? I'm meeting with him at the airport on Wednesday. He isn't into computers, but if you have a message for him, I'll be glad to pass it on. Peter Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Swiderski Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Stork --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Hey John, thats' quite a piece of history you found! Its definitely my old bird . It just doesn't seem right that she is making an other pilot as happy as she made me . I think the feeling is called jealousy. I guess I'll just not look at her & see iff that helps. John, where is this picture taken? Is he an active pilot? I lost track of him, Last I heard he was down miami way. Sentimental Richard > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > Richard S/Gents: > > Isn't this your old Ultrastar? The one I > affectionately refer to as the Stork? Sure looks > like it. :-) > > http://lafa.com/Photos/Robert%20is%20Here/006.jpg > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:01 PM PST US From: "Hugh" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hugh" My experience with fiberglass and resin is woodenboat related. There's two resins that are used with fiberglass. One is epoxy and the other is polyester. Poly is cheaper but it doesn't stick to wood as well and isn't impervious to water like epoxy is. The bad rap that fiberglass covered wooden boats get is due mostly to poly resin delaminating from the wood. Did IVO specifically say not to use epoxy? From what I've read on the boat building websites you can put epoxy over polyester but NOT the other way around. I wonder if epoxy weighs more the poly. Maybe a weight/balance problem? I'd think it would have to be a pretty big "chip" to throw the weight off. Just thinking out loud... Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > I have been chatting with Ivo prop about repairing a chip in my prop blade. > They said the best is to use a polyester resin for the repair. I a > wondering if anybody out there has advice/experience on how to use and buy a > polyster resin. How is it purchased? I am familiar with epoxy and fiberglass > resin, but when they say a polyetser resin, what exactly do they mean? Maybe > the fiberglass resin is just that?? > > Thanks > > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:02 PM PST US From: bob n Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n How about the old baking soda and crazy glue repair? Hasn't it been discussed on this list in the past? Or maybe it was FLY-UL? Good for small nicks, don't know how big is the nick in question. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:08 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Actually there are three resins commonly used in the home built aircraft, Epoxy, Polyester, and Vinyl Ester. There are two types of Polyester resin, one which contains wax for single coat or the finishing layup. The wax rises to the surface and facilities sanding. The other does not contain any wax and stay a little tacky. It is used for multiple layups (layers) - last layup would use the one which contains wax to allow finish sanding. See Aircraft Spruce - they can provide you with the correct material for your application. A small quart kit will cost around $20. How big of nick do you have? I have heard of using baking soda mixed with super glue as a filler for small nicks. If you have a larger especially deep nick better use the resin. Below is the web site link I have for them - it appeared to be down at this time, try it later and see what happens. http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/ jerb At 08:29 PM 1/6/03 -0800, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hugh" > >My experience with fiberglass and resin is woodenboat related. There's two >resins that are used with fiberglass. One is epoxy and the other is >polyester. Poly is cheaper but it doesn't stick to wood as well and isn't >impervious to water like epoxy is. The bad rap that fiberglass covered >wooden boats get is due mostly to poly resin delaminating from the wood. > >Did IVO specifically say not to use epoxy? From what I've read on the boat >building websites you can put epoxy over polyester but NOT the other way >around. I wonder if epoxy weighs more the poly. Maybe a weight/balance >problem? I'd think it would have to be a pretty big "chip" to throw the >weight off. > >Just thinking out loud... >Hugh >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > > > I have been chatting with Ivo prop about repairing a chip in my prop >blade. > > They said the best is to use a polyester resin for the repair. I a > > wondering if anybody out there has advice/experience on how to use and buy >a > > polyster resin. How is it purchased? I am familiar with epoxy and >fiberglass > > resin, but when they say a polyetser resin, what exactly do they mean? >Maybe > > the fiberglass resin is just that?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tim > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:48 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > If you have a larger especially > deep nick better use the resin. > Below is the web site link I have for them - it appeared to be down at this > time, try it later and see what happens. > http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/ > jerb Jerb/Gents: Think I'd go down to Wal*Mart, buy a small epoxy kit, two little tubes, one of resin, one of catalyst, for a couple bucks. I use JB Weld on the Warp Drive. I have used epoxy on wooden props, the baking soda super glue process. They all work well. A $20.00 kit might be an overkill for a nick or two. :-) john h ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:52 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Tim, Polyester resin requires a small amount of methyl ethyl ketone peroxide catylyst. Epoxy resin is a two part mixture. Usually two equal parts. Both are used with some type of fabric enforcement. Usually fibreglass. Hope this helps Ed (in Houston) Do Not Archive