---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/07/03: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Vamoose On-Going (Larry Bourne) 2. 01:27 AM - Re: prop repair/protection (Vincehallam@aol.com) 3. 03:23 AM - Re: Oil injection (Dave Rains) 4. 07:11 AM - Re:Facet pump priming (Hans vanAlphen) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Aileron and flap hinges (CaptainRon) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: prop repair/protection (jerb) 7. 08:12 AM - Arrived in FLA and it's another world () 8. 08:18 AM - kolb? (HillStw@aol.com) 9. 08:24 AM - Re: Arrived in FLA and it's another world (John Hauck) 10. 10:41 AM - Re: Ivo prop repair (Timandjan@aol.com) 11. 01:00 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair () 12. 01:26 PM - Re: kolb? (Bruce McElhoe) 13. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: prop repair/protection (Richard Swiderski) 14. 03:22 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (jerb) 15. 03:31 PM - Prop Nicks (Lawrence M. Rice) 16. 05:02 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (Larry Bourne) 17. 05:03 PM - Re: The Stork (Richard Swiderski) 18. 05:14 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (John Hauck) 19. 07:05 PM - Re: Ivo prop repair (SGreenpg@aol.com) 20. 07:20 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Jim and Phyllis Hefner) 21. 08:59 PM - Re: Facet Pump (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:31 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose On-Going --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Found a decent tap at work, so borrowed it for a day, and tapped out the holes this afternoon, and set the bolts in. Still a little shy, so tapered 1/8" of the end of the bolts, and torqued them down with red loc-tite. Looks like great minds run in the same circles. Still left over 1/2" of solid threads holding, but I don't like those shallow socket heads. There's also 4 steel pins locating that part, as well, so I doubt if it'll go anywhere. I was a little off in the difference in size of those 2 taps, too. Something to keep in mind when doing critical work. Pics of both going on photoshare in a couple of minutes. C'mon, Matt ! ! ! Gogittum Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose On-Going > --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > > > > > >$%*#@ Chinese tap is just .002 larger than standard, > >and when I felt it get tight in the 1st hole, I stopped, and started > >checking. Glad I did ! ! ! This is one place where maximum strength is of > >utmost importance, and sloppy threads don't get it. > > > Gosh Lar I would have just got the old hacksaw out (new blade) and just > hacked an eighth off the end of each bolt and touched it up with a file. > Perhaps just grinding the threads off the first eighth on an inch would be > enough. Probably 5 minutes each. > I got faith in ya pal. Put me down for late summer of 04 for first flight. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:21 AM PST US From: Vincehallam@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop repair/protection --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com Im about to run a wooden one piece two blader at 6000 rpm on my kids hovercraft [lots of dirt in the air].Anybody got a contact or specification /part number for a good prop tape ?? we used to use it on rolls royce turbo props in the far east,and I thought it was a bit mickey mouse then, but now.......... Vnz ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:07 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oil injection --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Does the 337 have the female end on the crank for the oil injection gear? you might want to check before buying parts. Dave Rains -----Original Message----- From: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com [SMTP:Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Oil injection --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dwight.Kottke@hti.htch.com Does anyone out there have a complete oil injection system laying around that they would want to part with? I have a 377 and would like to get away from mixing gas and oil. The Flying Farmer do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:36 AM PST US From: "Hans vanAlphen" Subject: Kolb-List: Re:Facet pump priming --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" Flyboys, The initial priming of the Facet pump requires you to remove the carburator bowl or the fuel line to the carburator. The float in the carburator, if full, will not let the air out of the fuel line. DO NOT use a high pressure pump or you will flood your carburator, all you need is 31/2 to 4 psi. Hope this helps. Hans van Alphen Mark III Xtra BMW powered 90 hours. N100MX ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aileron and flap hinges From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon I am petty much at the same stage. finished one wing and then came the holidays, and have done very little. Will be getting full steam into it now that the world is back to normal. My advice is that you use the spacer between the spars the 3/4 inch that is called for. make sure both spars are aligned parallal to each other. Once thats done place the hinges and mark them as to where they are in most contact with the apars. You want the rivets right in the center of the contact area so they give you max strength. You can use a piece of L tube to mark a straight line on the spars if you need to, to make sure the hinges are straight. That last part I figured out after I was done with the first wing. I use an X hinge design of my own invention (as far as I know), so marking them to be straight got to be important. :-) Other than that it will work fine even if its slightly misaligned, especially the Kolb designed hinges, it even does on my wing. I had to lube it a bit to get the sqweeks out of it. But it is one rugged rigid and strong hinge. Unlike those seemingly chinzy factory design, the x hinges are none compressionable which was one of the things that got me worried about the Kolb design. Yes John H. I know that you have flown 67.19 gazzilion hours with yours, and never a problem. :-) ============== > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel" > > Greetings > > I am in the process of mating the ailerons and flaps to the recently completed > wings. The manual on the subject seems straight forward but does anyone have > any hints that will aid in the needed accuracy of hinge placement? > > Thank you ahead of time. > > Dick Neitzel > Sayner WI > Mark III > neitzel@newnorth.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:24 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop repair/protection --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb How long is the prop? The RPM sounds kind of high for a prop - efficiency goes down if you turn them to fast also they can make a heck of a noise if the tips are breaking the speed of sound. jerb At 04:25 AM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com > >Im about to run a wooden one piece two blader at 6000 rpm on my kids >hovercraft [lots of dirt in the air].Anybody got a contact or specification >/part number for a good prop tape ?? we used to use it on rolls royce turbo >props in the far east,and I thought it was a bit mickey mouse then, but >now.......... > Vnz > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 AM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Arrived in FLA and it's another world --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kolbers, Since I live in Cincinnati and fly my Firefly out of Waynesville, and since the December weather was definitely not conducive to flying, I am happy to report that my trailered Firefly and I arrived in Florida last week and will be in a beachhouse at St. Teresa near Panacea until after SunNFun in April. Duane the Plane will be moving his Firefly down to Panacea this week so that we can fly the beaches together. I dropped the Firefly off at the Panacea airport last week and flew on Friday, Sunday and Monday. Friday was especially great with little wind, 60, and full sun. A fellow who has a new house with hangar just across from where my trailer is parked has just finished a Mark III XTRA with VW power. It's been flown one time and he pranged it just a little on the first landing. A new landing gear leg and a little fiberglas work on the nose and it will be good as new. We spent last Thursday at the Quincy airport where we did weight and balance on Duane's new Mark III. It's a little tail heavy so he will cut about 5 inches off the tailwheel extension shaft and add about 10 pounds of lead forward of the rudder pedals. This should put him right where the weight and balance should be for a light pilot. I will keep pressing Duane until he marks the last few items off the list so he can get it in the air. Flew from Panacea to Quincy airport and did a little motoring around the field there with Duane who just did the 150 hr Rotax inspection. Oddly enough, Duane needed to replace the rings and so he is going thru the breakin thing. Hauck, come on down and we can fly someplace together. As I said earlier, I'll be in a beach house at St. Teresa until March 15 before going south to visit friends near Tampa, then on to SunNFun before returning to Cincinnati.... I have room at the beachhouse and you know that Duane has room at the townhouse. Gene Ledbetter Cincinnati Firefly 144 hrs and climbing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:58 AM PST US From: HillStw@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: kolb? --> Kolb-List message posted by: HillStw@aol.com Hello: I am new to the list, and looking for info. I fly an RV, and really like a light, responsive control system. Am interested in a light, low, slow plane, and think maybe Kolb is a good choice, but have never flown in one. I tried to work out a demo ride at Oshkosh last summer, but could not do so. The "other brand" that I did fly did not feel very responsive. Which light plane is most responsive? Which Kolb model is best for a very short strip? Is a 500 -600 foot strip practical? Am looking at the Firefly or Firestar. Single seat is ok, or if two seat, I prefer tandem seating. How does the required building time compare between these two? What engine has proven best from standpoint of performance and reliability? It is probably apparent that I come from the world of Lycoming and do not know the Rotax world at all, but would appreciate your advice. Thanks. Jimmy hillstw@aol.com (Oklahoma) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:31 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Arrived in FLA and it's another world --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > A fellow who has a new house with hangar > just across from where my trailer is parked has just finished a Mark > III XTRA with VW power. It's been flown one time and he pranged it > just a little on the first landing. > Hauck, come on down and we can fly someplace together. > Gene Ledbetter Hi Gene/Gents: Thanks for the invite. I will fly down soon as I can make some arrangements. I need a good dose of fried mullet, shrimp, and oysters. Best seafood in the world at Panacea, Florida, and the surrounding area. Growing up in Tallahassee, Florida, spoils one for eating seafood in other parts of the world. Also a great place to fly. Beautiful beaches, islands, wildlife, and food. The Mark III Extra? Is that the one the gentleman elected to cover with sheet metal rather than fabric? He did elect to cover the wings and flying surfaces in fabric, didn't he? Got to tie up some loose ends here at hauck's holler, then I'll be on my way south for a few days. Need your St Teresa phone number. I have Duane's. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:37 AM PST US From: Timandjan@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Ivo said that the Polyester resin is preferred, epoxy is second and things like JP weld is third. Polyester is the first because they said it's the hardest. Tim ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:29 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: I have used the super glue/baking soda solution for a small nick on a Powerfin. Works fine. When I was doing RC aircraft, there was a product called micro-balloons. It was extremely light and mixed with epoxy to fill gaps. It was also easy to sand for shaping after it dried. Don't know if it is still available or it may be under a different name now. Bill ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:11 PM PST US From: "Bruce McElhoe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolb? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" > Hello: > I am new to the list, and looking for info. > I fly an RV, and really like a light, responsive control system. Am > interested in a light, low, slow plane, and think maybe Kolb is a good > choice, but have never flown in one. Jimmy, I have been flying my Long-EZ for the past six years, and I too like responsive controls. I recently completed a FireFly and have about 4 hours on it. I'm sure there are a lot of pilots in this group with far more hours and far more authoritative opinions about their Kolb, but here's mine.... You will like the responsiveness of the FireFly. Controls are quick and just what you would expect. Because it can fly so slowly and turn so tightly, there is a flight regime that is new to us.....with soft controls in slow flight and a tendency to overbank in a very steep turn (The inside wing is barely moving!) I find this new regime to be a lot of fun. > > Which light plane is most responsive? > Jimmy, I can't answer that one....I've flown only the FireFly. > Which Kolb model is best for a very short strip? Is a 500 -600 foot strip > practical? When I get a little better with short-field landings, I'm sure 500-600 feet would be plenty for the FireFly. The Rotax 447 gives that little plane a lot of power, and it leaps right off the ground in about 150 feet. My landings still take a lot more...but I expect better. Am looking at the Firefly or Firestar. Single seat is ok, or if > two seat, I prefer tandem seating. > How does the required building time compare between these two? > > What engine has proven best from standpoint of performance and reliability? > > It is probably apparent that I come from the world of Lycoming and do not > know the Rotax world at all, but would appreciate your advice. > > > Thanks. > Jimmy > hillstw@aol.com > (Oklahoma) I'll have to leave the rest of your questions for others. Regards, Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88 Reedley, Calif. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:08 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop repair/protection --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Vince, I used stainless steel tape from NAPA on a wood prop & it worked fine. You can cut it with scissors & also notch it if you are following a curve. Richard Swiderski > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com > > Im about to run a wooden one piece two blader at 6000 rpm on my kids > hovercraft [lots of dirt in the air].Anybody got a contact or specification > /part number for a good prop tape ?? we used to use it on rolls royce turbo > props in the far east,and I thought it was a bit mickey mouse then, but > now.......... > Vnz > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:43 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb What material is the prop actually made of? That could significantly impact the preference of one over the other for strength and bonding. jerb At 01:40 PM 1/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > >Ivo said that the Polyester resin is preferred, epoxy is second and things >like JP weld is third. Polyester is the first because they said it's the >hardest. > >Tim > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Nicks From: "Lawrence M. Rice" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lawrence M. Rice" If you haven't used it before, remember to be very careful with MEK. It's nasty stuff. One drop in the eye and it's gone. Larry the MicroMong guy ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:47 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Personally, I'm an epoxy fan for most everything, but if Ivo built the prop, and Ivo says "Use Polyester;" then I'd use polyester. For just a bit of it, try taking your prop to a body shop. Bondo is polyester, and it can be colored to match. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com > > Ivo said that the Polyester resin is preferred, epoxy is second and things > like JP weld is third. Polyester is the first because they said it's the > hardest. > > Tim ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:35 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Stork --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Peter, Thanks for the feedback. I sold the US to a guy in Jacksonville FL who never flew it. I believe he sold it to Bob. I met him briefly at S & F. Definitely say hello for me if you see him. You have a great club going on down there. ...Richard Swiderski do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: The Stork > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > Hi Richard - Peter here. I took that photo last Sunday. I run the LAFA > (Light Aircraft Flyers Association) web site in Miami. > > Your old flame is now owned by Bob Musgrove whom we affectionately call > Cap'n Bob in our club. He is a retired 747 pilot, our club mentor, and > with about 26,000 hours of flying experience, a source of very valuable > information and insight. > > Let me assure you that your ex is in very capable hands. Bob does > things with that plane that I've never seen anybody else do, yet he's as > quiet and unassuming a person as you could ever hope to meet. > > You will see a lot more photos of him and your (his) Kolb on the photo > pages of our club's web site http://www.lafa.com/PhotosEvents.htm > > I also wrote a brief summary about our little escapade on Sunday here: > http://www.lafa.com/RobertIsHere.htm (which includes the photo that John > sent you). > > Did you sell your plane to Bob directly? Or did somebody else own her > in-between? > > I'm meeting with him at the airport on Wednesday. He isn't into > computers, but if you have a message for him, I'll be glad to pass it > on. > > Peter > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard > Swiderski > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Stork > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" > > > Hey John, > > thats' quite a piece of history you found! Its definitely my old bird . > It > just doesn't seem right that she is making an other pilot as happy as > she > made me . I think the feeling is called jealousy. I guess I'll just > not > look at her & see iff that helps. > John, where is this picture taken? Is he an active pilot? I lost > track > of him, Last I heard he was down miami way. Sentimental Richard > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > Richard S/Gents: > > > > Isn't this your old Ultrastar? The one I > > affectionately refer to as the Stork? Sure looks > > like it. :-) > > > > http://lafa.com/Photos/Robert%20is%20Here/006.jpg > > > > john h > > > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:00 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > What material is the prop actually made of? > That could significantly impact the preference of one over the other for > strength and bonding. > jerb jerb/Gents: You all ever find out how big that ding is in the IVO? Can you put your fist in it, or are you going to have to glue a blade back together that got broken in half? Or is it a little ding that would take a drop or two of something to fill up? Ya'll should have gotten this prop repair figured out by now. Must be a really big project. :-) john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:14 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo prop repair --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com In a message dated 1/7/03 1:42:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, Timandjan@aol.com writes: > Ivo said that the Polyester resin is preferred, epoxy is second and things > like JP weld is third. Polyester is the first because they said it's the > hardest. > > Tim > Tim, My advice is to do whatever Ivo recommends. You should be able to get polyester resin with hardener at the local auto parts store. It should be finishing resin which allows the surface to dry tack free. I would not use laminating resin, it stays tacky. Here is an address to a site that has a lot of info about the different resins and reinforcements. http://www.fibreglast.com Steven Green ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:27 PM PST US From: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" Hi John, I think I met you at Copperstate in Oct. I assumeyou live in San Diego and owna yellow Firestar ? I own the yellow/green trimmed Firefly. We chatted a few times at CuState. Interestingly enough, I recently completed doing the same thing onmy FF. I bought the 2.5-4.5 PSI Facet pump and installed it in parallel with my pulse pump. My pump is mounted about 1/2 way down the level of my tank and I draw off the top of the tank. I put a fuel shut-off valve right after where I tee'd the line off to the new pump, which I close after I fly to prevent syphoning of fuel and air in the elec pump circuit, like I get in the pulse pump part of the circuit.Do you get air in the lines ofyour pulse pump circuit like I doafter a few days of downtime? If so, you will need to get that air out and the Facet won't helpdo thatand I'm not sure the pulse pump can self prime if there is enough air in the loop - onlya primer bulb can help that. Once the Facet loop primes the carb, the floats are full and you won't be able to get the air out of the pulse pump loop, even with a primer bulb... I found that out the hard way. You might want to try putting ashut-off valvein the pulse pump loop (assume you have no primer bulb and bypass loop with the new setup)to keep it from draining back to the tank, creating air in that part of theloop - the opposite of what I do, not having a battery to run the Facet with until the plane is running. With the shut-off valve open, I use the primer bulb a squeeze or two to make sure the facet loop is primed up to the T before the carb, then I close the shut-off valve, isolating the facet loop and then hit the primer bulb 4-5 times to get the air out of thepulse pumploop and fill the carb bowl and close the float valve.Once I start the engine, I flip on the facetswitch so they are both operating in parallel during flight. I havehad acouple cases of engine running fine on start-up, good warming up, I get in, strap in and get ready to taxi, only to have the engine sputter and die when I try to give it throttle, which it never did before adding the new pump loop.It usually restarts without problem anddoesn'thesitates again. I suspect some air is still somewhere in one of the loops and ends up in the carb after a little run time, causing it to die. Just a choke restarts it and no repriming is needed, soI'm not real sure what is going on yet, so I have been doing some extra warm-upto see if it isgonna sputter. I pulled the pulse line off the pulse pump to make sure the Facet had enough pressure to run the 447 with no pulse pump operating. Ran it at 3000 rpm5+ minutes to make sure it wasn't running on fuel in the bowl and everything was fine. I then flipped the Facet switch off and in about a minute, the engine died. I've made 2 100+ mile flights in the past 3 wks (140miles last Sat) and everything was fine with the setup once warmed-up. The lowest pressure pump works fine on the 447. Think you have a dual carb 503 if I remember right, but that pressure should work for dual carbs as well. Good luck getting the priming problem fixed. Hope to see you again at Copperstate next year. If anyone else on thelisthas experienced what I described during warm-up after installing a parallel electric pump loopand figured out what the cause was and implemented a fix, please let me know.... gives me an uneasy feeling when I go out there for the first take-off...Once the rpm's are up, there is not hesitation... just hesitates to respond to throttle from idle and then dies, which it never used to do. Jim Hefner FF022, Tucson, AZ From: "Wood, John T." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." Thanks for the responses to my Facet problem. I have tried the pump both above and below the tank and it still did not work. That is what prompted me to seek advise from the experts. Based on your responses it seems that I might have a bad pump. I purchaed the lowest pressure pump. Maybe I need more pressure to overcome the air in the lines? John Wood Firestar N670JW ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:37 PM PST US From: possums Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Facet Pump --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 08:19 PM 1/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" > > >Hi John, I think I met you at Copperstate in Oct. I assumeyou live in San >Diego and owna yellow Firestar ? I own the yellow/green trimmed Firefly. >We chatted a few times at CuState. Interestingly enough, I recently >completed doing the same thing onmy FF. I bought the 2.5-4.5 PSI Facet >pump and installed it in parallel with my pulse >pump.=================================================================== I'll be darn if I didn't miss the whole "Facet Pump" thing altogether. Been driving these flying lawn chairs since 1983 - been thru the Cyhuuuna - ouchh!, Rotax 377, 447, and now the 503 thing and still have not had a pulse pump fail yet - 2,000 hours + or -. I know it happens, guess I should get with the whole redundant /"Spaceshuttle/system".