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1. 08:12 AM - 503 pull start (Mike Pierzina)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: 503 pull start (Jon Croke)
3. 08:51 AM - 503 E box w/fuel manifold (Jeffrey Jones)
4. 10:55 AM - Re: 503 pull start (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
5. 11:10 AM - fuel flow (boyd young)
6. 06:56 PM - Gasoline (Bruce McElhoe)
7. 07:19 PM - Re: Gasoline (ul15rhb@juno.com)
8. 07:41 PM - Re: fuel flow- facet pumps (Larry Cottrell)
9. 09:35 PM - Re: Gasoline (Don Gherardini)
10. 11:25 PM - Re: Gasoline (BILLBEAM@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Guys,
I just bought my 503 w/"b" box and 66' IVO ( still in box )
It sounds like I should have went for the electric start.......
What would it take to do that.... can I still use the "B" box ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII,
Fabric cage stage
---
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: 503 pull start |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Mike,
You got the right combo... just ad a GPL starter (in the back of all
popular magazines).
Many of us have been flying that combination ... B box + Ivo + GPL on a 503!
Jon
near Green Bay (COLD!)
www.joncroke.com
www.kolbpilot.com
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I just bought my 503 w/"b" box and 66' IVO ( still in
box )
> It sounds like I should have went for the electric start.......
> What would it take to do that.... can I still use the "B" box ?
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in
MN FSII, Fabric cage stage
> ---
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
>
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| Subject: | 503 E box w/fuel manifold |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Jones" <jeffrey.jones@fuse.net>
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 01:50:48 PM PST US
From: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 01/09/03
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Hello Jeff.
I would like to ask you about the E type gearbox on your 503 Firestar.
Did you or the builder have to do any modifications to the engine mount to
fit the E-box ?
I had heard that this was required.
Very interested to add the electric starter on the back instead of the front
side of engine. I also have the VLS BRS system in the front of engine, and
no space for the standard recoil electric starter from Rotax.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Firestar II.
http://www.gi.is/fis/
Do not Archive
Johann,
Yes, the engine mount plate is not from Kolb. A new plate was made to move the
engine back 1" to clear the starter. The changes in the weight and balance is
compensated by placing the battery in the nose cone. If you didn't notice,
the pull starter is still installed which could be beneficial sometime down
the road. The nose cone is from a Slingshot being it is deeper and allowing more
room for the battery. The moment changes and battery location worked out great
by keeping the bird within the envelope.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.A.10.12.2002/dsc00584.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/beauford@tampabay.rr.com.A.10.12.2002/dsc00585.jpg
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Take Care,
Jeff
Burlington KY
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| Subject: | Re: 503 pull start |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
If you can find one, or know someone who has one in your area, you may want
to look into one of the old "Air Drive Service" starters and compare it with
the other brands. These aren't being produced now but you can read up on
them in the old (early 90s) CPS catalogs.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Robert/Gents:
The instruments we use in our airplanes are not
absolute, especially fuel flow meters. I don't
have a flow meter in my airplane, but do have one
in the boat. It was designed and built by
Flo-Scan. Gives me a good idea of how much fuel
my 351W is burning or not burning. But it has
proven to be not totally accurate.
I believe your engine would be the first to let
you know if you were in fact getting overflow when
the Facet is energized. I bet it is a false
reading at the flow meter.
john h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
if the electric pump is causing the level in the float bowl to rise ( but
not overflow ) it would c ause the mixture to to rich.... but it may not
be bad enough to cause it to run rough.... checking the plugs would
tell..... OR if the use of both pumps caused the carbs to overflow
it would use even more. if the vents were open to the outside air... it
could be blowing in the slipstreem and not adversely affecting the way the
engine runs... if the overflow vents were run back into the aircleaners
you would notice it... as the engine would probably quit.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
Hello All...
What type of gasoline are you using in your Rotax engine? I have been using
auto gas that meets the requirements set forth in my Rotax manual; namely, a
minimum Research Octane Rating of 90 and conformance with ASTM D4814.
I checked with an expert at Chevron and found that their unleaded regular
gas meets Rotax requirements. Now, here's the problem.....under federal
mandate, all the refiners in California will soon be adding ethanol to
gasoline. They already adding ethanol in Southern California. So, auto gas
will no longer meet ASTM D4814 (which allows only one percent alcohol).
My Rotax operating manual discourages using 100LL avgas. They do allow it
only when unleaded fuel is not available. So, I'm interested in hearing
from you mid-westerners that have already dealt with alcohol in their auto
gas. Is leaded 100LL avgas giving you any problems? Is anyone continuing
to use auto gas with alcohol?
Regards
Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88
Reedley, Calif.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Bruce,
I've used ethanol gasoline for 12 years in a Rotax 377 and others are
using it now without any problems in their Rotax engines. The ethanol
content is 7% in Minnesota. I switched to ethanol-free because it was
offered at the station where I get my gas. I have used 100LL in my 447
for short periods of time when I cannot find auto gas.
Ralph
Original Firestar
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:56:29 -0800 "Bruce McElhoe" <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
>
> Hello All...
>
> What type of gasoline are you using in your Rotax engine? I have
> been using
> auto gas that meets the requirements set forth in my Rotax manual;
> namely, a
> minimum Research Octane Rating of 90 and conformance with ASTM
> D4814.
>
> I checked with an expert at Chevron and found that their unleaded
> regular
> gas meets Rotax requirements. Now, here's the problem.....under
> federal
> mandate, all the refiners in California will soon be adding ethanol
> to
> gasoline. They already adding ethanol in Southern California. So,
> auto gas
> will no longer meet ASTM D4814 (which allows only one percent
> alcohol).
>
> My Rotax operating manual discourages using 100LL avgas. They do
> allow it
> only when unleaded fuel is not available. So, I'm interested in
> hearing
> from you mid-westerners that have already dealt with alcohol in
> their auto
> gas. Is leaded 100LL avgas giving you any problems? Is anyone
> continuing
> to use auto gas with alcohol?
>
> Regards
>
> Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88
> Reedley, Calif.
>
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| Subject: | fuel flow- facet pumps |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
All the concern about too much fuel with a facet, and the insistence of
some to turn off the facet when you have reached altitude leaves me
wondering. I am a welder by trade and have used a facet to supply fuel to
the (400 amp) welder that I am sure that I put at least 20 hours a week on,
with never a problem, or sputter. I don't think that the pump is going to
wear out and I just put a pressure regulator between the facet and the pulse
pump, set it to 4 pounds and forget about it. The motor is much too noisy
for the clicking to bother me while I am flying in the Wild blue.
Now I did bring the fuel lines to the left of my seat to a selector
valve then to the facet that is attached to the bottom of the rear seat of
the firestar, then to the pressure regulator, then to the pulse pump.
When I was doing my first few flights after the installation I too cut off
the fuel pump after gaining altitude, "because that is the way they do it in
the real planes." It took one steep climb out and a cough from the engine to
convince me that I wanted to leave the sucker on all the time. Grant you I
did add a 16 inch lift to the process, and that is why the pulse pump had
trouble lifting the fuel from the bottom of the plane. That is primarily why
I added the facet in the first place. I am old and stiff enough that I need
a fuel gage right in front of my face so that I can tell for sure how much
fuel I have. I have so far, changed the pulse pump every year just as a
precaution. I have 1428 hours on the welder and at least 100 on the one in
the firestar. A regulator is about 24 bucks. In the whole scheme of things,
very reasonable.
Just my humble opinion!
Larry (Oregon)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Ralph, What kind of oil mix do you use with that ethanol gasoline?
I have seen some brands of 2 stroke mix for chainsaws...Stihl particularly,
that say "this oil will work with up to 10% ethanol"
Does any popular oil that 2 stroke av- engines use make this claim?
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: BILLBEAM@aol.com
Hi gang,
Switched my FireStar instruments to EIS. Have a deal on the
conventional gages taken out. They are all in good condition and were
working when we took them out. They include: CHT, EGT, Compass,
100 MPH ASI, RPM, VSI, ALT, and one old 140 MPH ASI. I had a Rotax 503.
Catalogue is somewhere around $874. I'll take $390 for all of it. I will even
pay the shipping cost.
Picture (poor) available by clicking <A HREF="http://www.pixhost.com/pixb/billbeam/instruments.jpeg">
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308 Jessamine Station Road
Wilmore, Kentucky 40390
Phone: 859-858-3168
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