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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Gasoline (Beauford Tuton)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: monument valley (Ted Cowan)
3. 06:46 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (John Hauck)
4. 07:14 AM - Trailer Hauling (John Hauck)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (Larry Bourne)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (CaptainRon)
7. 08:16 AM - Sorry for the list accidental post (Timandjan@aol.com)
8. 08:56 AM - Re: west coast kolbs (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
9. 09:10 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (possums)
10. 09:27 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (FS2Kolb@aol.com)
11. 11:55 AM - Re: Monument Valley Flight aka Names (bob n)
12. 12:29 PM - Facet Pump update (Wood, John T.)
13. 01:22 PM - GPL- Starters (Mike Pierzina)
14. 01:53 PM - Re: GPL- Starters (Peter Volum)
15. 02:01 PM - Re: GPL- Starters (Jim Ballenger)
16. 02:07 PM - HAC Carb Calibration (VIC)
17. 03:21 PM - monument valley (boyd young)
18. 03:31 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (possums)
19. 03:38 PM - Re: monument valley (John Hauck)
20. 05:16 PM - monument valley (Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com)
21. 05:17 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (Richard W Pike)
22. 06:25 PM - Re: monument valley (Rick & Martha Neilsen)
23. 06:57 PM - Re: monument valley (John Hauck)
24. 07:17 PM - Re: monument valley (CaptainRon)
25. 07:22 PM - Re: monument valley (CaptainRon)
26. 07:47 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (Larry Bourne)
27. 07:50 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (Larry Bourne)
28. 07:52 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight aka Names (Larry Bourne)
29. 07:59 PM - Re: monument valley (Jim and Phyllis Hefner)
30. 07:59 PM - Re: monument valley (Robert Laird)
31. 08:15 PM - Re: monument valley (Larry Bourne)
32. 08:59 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (WillUribe@aol.com)
33. 09:16 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (Larry Bourne)
34. 09:31 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight (WillUribe@aol.com)
35. 10:22 PM - Re: Monument Valley Flight aka Names ()
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Cooley:
Thanks for the interesting rundown on the blending process... good info.
One question, if I may; AMOCO gas and the ethanol issue...
The folklore is that AMOCO still blends its' premium gas without alcohol...
and that they are currently the only refiners doing so... Is this true? Is
there anyplace on the web a person can go to get a good rundown of who
blends what in their gas?
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us...
Beauford, the aluminum butcher of Brandon, FL
FF-076
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gasoline
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hi Will / Gang,
> I usually try not to comment on gas questions, but on this one I felt I
> needed to. Kind of self defense I guess. I work in a large 300,000 barrel
> per day Chevron oil refinery in the Blending & Shipping section where gas
is
> blended and loaded on trucks, ships and barges along with many other
> activities. We are in the top three or so volume wise of product loaded
> across the water and blend thousands of barrels of gas a day (can get the
> average numbers if needed). It is also shipped up a major pipeline system
> that goes all the way up the east coast. I can't speak for all refinery's
> but when we are blending a tank of gas there are no additives added to
help
> boost octane. Different components or cuts from the crude oil have varying
> octane properties and different crudes yield different amounts of the
> components. Also there are different refining methods which yield higher
> octane components or more components that I don't have the experience or
> space to go into here. We have a very stringent set of guidelines that
have
> to be met in order to sell any tank of gas. We have online analyzers to
> assist in making sure it is ontest but the major piece of equipment used
for
> the octane rating is a set of engines that is used industry wide called
> Comoc engines. They have to be certified accurate by a trained technician
> using a gasoline with a known octane rating. When we blend a tank of gas
the
> engines are being fed a steady stream of the gas being blended. The
average
> of the entire blend has to meet the specification of the gas being
blended.
> We currently blend 87 octane unleaded and 93 octane supreme and these two
> are mixed at a ratio to make the Plus grade gas with 89 octane. We also
> blend 100/130 avgas but that's a different ballgame all together. The gas
we
> sell is sold from the average results from these engines. If it meets the
> octane specification for the grade being blended then nothing else is done
> for octane. We have a fully staffed Lab and there are many other
> specifications that have to be certified by them before the gas can be
sold.
> If the average octane number is low, then a correction will be made to the
> tank of gas and the Lab has to run what we refer to as "manual motors" to
> establish the octane rating for that tank of gas. This is simply an
average
> sample of the gas after the correction has been added to the tank, mixed
> thoroughly and run on a set of Comoc engines at the Lab.
> After all this the gas is either loaded on trucks, ships, barges or sent
> up the pipeline system. I have heard people many times swear that they
> wouldn't use a certain brand gas etc., but the fact is all gas comes from
> crude oil. We load gas on other major brands trucks, ships and barges. In
> other words you may be burning Exxon gas that was blended in a Chevron or
BP
> refinery etc. The difference in the different brands is the additive
package
> they use. Normally this is advertised as making your engine run cleaner
etc.
> Don't know what everyone else calls their additive, but the Chevron
additive
> is Techron. At our truck rack we have several different additive tanks for
> the different company's loading gas. The trucks have a card key that is
> inserted in a computer system and this tells the system what additive to
add
> while the gas is being loaded onto the truck. All the gas loaded on ships
> and barges has the additive added elsewhere. I would like to emphasize
again
> that I'm not a spokesperson for the industry. This is the basic method
used
> in our refinery.
> Sorry this got so long winded.
>
> do not archive
>
> Take Care,
> John Cooley
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
>
> > I have been told the petroleum companies add additives to get a higher
> octane
> > ratings.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
sounds interesting. Beverly and I have been wondering where we would go if
we took a trip west. That would be Funtastic. The furthest we have towed
my "White Lightning" was a thousand miles to Texoma, Texas flyin back about
five years ago. I know better how to pack the tail boom now. Sustained a
little damage in Texas when we encountered a rail road crossing that someone
had taken the wood out of. Big Badda Bump. Small dent in the lower section
of the tail boom aft but still did more flying than anyone else in Texoma.
Gonna keep this idea in our head and mill it around and see what pops up.
Ted and Beverly Cowan, near Auburn, Al.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> (I still haven't decided for sure if Vamoose is a "he," "she,"
> or "it.")
> Larry Bourne
Larry/Gents:
My understanding the boats, airplanes, and my old
Betsie (1992 Dodge/Cummins) are ladies.
Got a problem with Vamoose though. Doesn't sound
too lady like.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Beverly and I have been wondering where we would go if
> we took a trip west.
> Gonna keep this idea in our head and mill it around and see what pops up.
> Ted and Beverly Cowan, near Auburn, Al.
Hi Ted/Gang:
I had good luck trailering a couple years ago.
Forget exactly how many miles we pulled Miss
P'fer, but it was 5,000 to 6,000, from Muncho
Lake, BC, to Oshkosh, and then home to Titus,
Alabama.
Only damage incurred was dust and dirt from the
gravel roads in Canada. Ate up my new lexan
pretty badly. Enough to have to replace all of it
before I got ready for the 2001 attempt on Barrow,
Alaska.
I used carpet, spruce studs, tie down straps.
Removed the wings and placed them on their leading
edges on each outside wall. Main gear and
tailwheel were chocked front, rear, and each side
with screwed down 2X4 blocks. Made a saddle right
behind the "H" section in the tailboom. Line it
with carpet. A piece of carpet on top of the tail
boom, capped with an small piece of 2X4 held the
airplane secure in place. A couple lateral lines
front and rear to help stabalize and we were off
and running.
More fun to fly though. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, that's sorta what I mean. I understand that in Russia, boats, etc.,
are given masculine names, and, of course, in this country they're given
feminine ones. Well, I'm not Russian, (anywhere), and as you say, Vamoose
certainly isn't very ladylike, so I dunno. Hate to keep saying "it," but I
guess that's it. (pun intended) Hang in there.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>
>
> > (I still haven't decided for sure if Vamoose is a "he," "she,"
> > or "it.")
> > Larry Bourne
>
> Larry/Gents:
>
> My understanding the boats, airplanes, and my old
> Betsie (1992 Dodge/Cummins) are ladies.
>
> Got a problem with Vamoose though. Doesn't sound
> too lady like.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
1/14/03 8:27Larry Bourne
Well if I may contribute my 2 cents, being the realist that I am. the name I
will choose if I do (still can't figure out why I need to name my Flaying
Contraption anything) would be a a neutral name... Something like "Rug and
Tube" "Hanger Life", "Lexan Face" !! I don't know yet, but something like
that.
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, that's sorta what I mean. I understand that in Russia, boats, etc.,
> are given masculine names, and, of course, in this country they're given
> feminine ones. Well, I'm not Russian, (anywhere), and as you say, Vamoose
> certainly isn't very ladylike, so I dunno. Hate to keep saying "it," but I
> guess that's it. (pun intended) Hang in there.
> Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>>
>>
>>> (I still haven't decided for sure if Vamoose is a "he," "she,"
>>> or "it.")
>>> Larry Bourne
>>
>> Larry/Gents:
>>
>> My understanding the boats, airplanes, and my old
>> Betsie (1992 Dodge/Cummins) are ladies.
>>
>> Got a problem with Vamoose though. Doesn't sound
>> too lady like.
>>
>> john h
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sorry for the list accidental post |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Sorry guys, computer goof, meant to sent the car question directly to the
individual email address. Never meant to send it to the list. Computer
illiteracy at work.
Sorry again.
Tim
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| Subject: | west coast kolbs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Kolbers,
Having been born and raised in Arizona, the best time to have a major get together
in Monument Valley would be May time frame. The heat has not hit yet, but
you will also miss the greater chance of winter rain storms. And storm systems
move awfully fast through California, Arizona and especially Utah regions.
We are in the middle of winter rain season right now, and should end well before
May.
The next rain season for this great Sonoran desert is the Monsoon usually starting
the second to third week in July and ending in September. Last year we ended
up with only a little over two inches of rain for the whole year, where normally
we have 8 inches per year. So unless we get a great winter storms to
move thru this season we will be in major drought conditions this summer. We
are currently experiencing sunny and 78 degree weather this week. Great weather
but scary if we don't see some major storm systems move thru the area soon.
Yes, we have sharp rocks out here, and many magnificent views, but we have far
more places to force land than back East. From looking at the many Kolb Fly-in
pictures, Kentucky has a lot of green trees!
My suggestion is have the Monument Valley Fly in May. By then, winter storms will
have subsided for the nation making safer travel for everyone across the country.
The Mark III E should be done and flying by May. My Firestar will be almost finished.
Later,
Tim Gherkins
Phx, AZ
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@sw.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: west coast kolbs
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley
> attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab!
>
> regards,
> Erich Weaver
Erich/Gents:
Include me in on your Monument Valley Flight. Jim
Heffner clued me in on his flight recently. He
has been up there 6 times, but once with his
Firestar. Let me see if I can find his web page.
He has some nice shots of the Valley posted. I
was there a couple Octobers ago, but on the
ground. He says it is dramatically different
(better) from the air in a Kolb.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
How about "Hanger Queen" that's kinda nice.
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Yah, that's sorta what I mean. I understand that in Russia, boats, etc.,
> > are given masculine names, and, of course, in this country they're given
> > feminine ones. Well, I'm not Russian, (anywhere), and as you say, Vamoose
> > certainly isn't very ladylike, so I dunno. Hate to keep saying "it," but I
> > guess that's it. (pun intended) Hang in there.
> > Lar. Do not Archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
In a message dated 1/14/03 10:11:24 AM Mountain Standard Time,
possums@mindspring.com writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> How about "Hanger Queen" that's kinda nice.
More like "Porch Queen"
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight aka Names |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n <ronoy@shentel.net>
How about Ground Pounder?
BN
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| Subject: | Facet Pump update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wood, John T." <woodjt@spawar.navy.mil>
I want to start off by thanking everyone for their inputs on my facet pump
problem. The Facet pump is within 12 inches of the bottom of the fuel tank.
The feed to the pump is from the top with a filter installed between the
tank outlet and the facet pump. The output of the pump feeds the pulse pump.
I have an on/off switch for the pump. So far I have left it on while the
engine is running. I also have a primer installed.
The plane started right up after turning on the Facet pump and waiting for
the pump to quiet down. One little squirt from the primer, a pull on the
rope and engine purred like a kitten. I still noticed that there was a
little air in the lines but that was soon displaced by fuel once the engine
started running. Everything worked as I hoped it would and did not observe a
single glitch in the operation of the engine.
Thanks,
John Wood
Firestar N670JW
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Well, no luck with finding GPL in my magazines.... And that page that Topher
threw up there didn't work either..... I guess I'll take your advise and see
if I can find it myself someplace else. Maybe the guys at L.E.A.F. can help me,
after all, I bought the engine from them...
Thanks for the help???
---
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Mike, GPL stands for "Gary P. Lutke".
I met him about a dozen years ago during my hovercraft building days.
He began by building and racing hovercrafts, then started his own
company (GPL Enterprises) by buying Scat Hovercraft's remaining parts
inventory when they went out of business. That inventory included many
Rotax engines and parts that Scat used to use in their hovercrafts.
Seems he's found a sideline in providing starters for the Rotax engines
we use in ultralights.
His company's web page is: http://www.aircommander.com/ if you can't
find what you want on line, send him an email.
Don't know if his prices are better by going direct or through dealers,
but I know I have seen his Ads in some of the companies that advertise
in Ultralight Flying.
Good luck,
Peter
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Pierzina
Subject: Kolb-List: GPL- Starters
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina"
<planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Well, no luck with finding GPL in my magazines.... And that page that
Topher threw up there didn't work either..... I guess I'll take your
advise and see if I can find it myself someplace else. Maybe the guys at
L.E.A.F. can help me, after all, I bought the engine from them...
Thanks for the help???
---
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: GPL- Starters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Mike
Skysports has a GPL starter for the rotax engine on page 42 of their 2002
catalog. Give them a call at 1-800-air-stuf or look at www.airstuff.com.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: GPL- Starters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
>
> Well, no luck with finding GPL in my magazines.... And that page that
Topher threw up there didn't work either..... I guess I'll take your advise
and see if I can find it myself someplace else. Maybe the guys at L.E.A.F.
can help me, after all, I bought the engine from them...
> Thanks for the help???
> ---
> Sometimes you just have to take the leap
> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | HAC Carb Calibration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
Would someone contact me off-list to double check my calculations for calibrating
my HAC.
Thanks
Vic
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Boyd, if you are listening, Im thinking about another Monument Valley
attempt. Maybe this spring? Meet me in Moab!
regards,
Erich Weaver
erich_weaver@urscorp.com
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sounds good to me ! ! ! ! ! ! when??????? i know a week with no
rain would be good he he he he
boyd
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/
/Only takes one to fly and two to have a flyin. We
/already got more than that, so lets start working
/on a date?
/
/Since I am a Southeasterner, I will be the guest.
/Primarily cause I don't know s__t about the West,
/other than it is very big, very high (in places)
/and has a lot of sharp pointy rocks. Also very
/dry most of the time and the wind can blown like
/no where else. What did I leave out?
john h
=================================
john it sounds like you know the west to me.....
big high pointy windy....... you are just geting to the good qualities...
it would be good to have you all along..... when i
composed the top portion of this message message i was tempted to invite all
but thought that we should invest some time in preparing and planning
first.... but i see that the party has almost left without me....that is
the one bad thing about the digest mode...i allways feel a day behind.
last fall Erich, myself, and others started the trip and hit the one week of
the whole summer that rained..... the others that we went with had a
deadline to be home by and there were no rain delays built in to the
trip.... so when the rain started..... the trip kind of fizzled. we did
get to fly over Capitol Reef and between Arches and Canyonlands
i dont know about Erich but some of the ( as john so eleoquently put it) "
big high pointy windy " kept my pucker factor on high alert.
that trip of 3 days gave me a good appreciation of johns big adventures.
boyd do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
Here's one for the books and it may even a be legal 103.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=419&item=2154130368
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
Boyd/Gang:
Someone suggested sometime in May. That sounds
like a good time for me. I am packing my bags.
The airplane is ready to go.
Let's do it!
john h
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01/14/2003 08:15:13 PM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
Wow! I was startled to see the instant and overwhelming interest in
Monument Valley following my not-so-private message to Boyd Young. It was
like the EF Hutton commercial.
Boyd and I were part of a small group that flew from Beaver, Utah across
Capitol Reef Natl Park and over to Moab, Utah last fall. We had intended
to continue on to Monument Valley and other great sights, but he was
committed to stay with the others who apparently could not afford to wait
out a day of bad weather, and had to skedaddle back home. I stayed in Moab
with my wife and kid manning our own support vehicle, and was treated to
perfect weather the following day for a solo flight around Arches Natl
Park, Dead Horse Point, and Canyonlands. My heart was pounding during most
of it, due to both the awesome beauty and a tightly clinched rear end over
the sheer drop-offs. Anyway, you'all should know there is a lot more to
look at besides Monument Valley in southern Utah. Im not religious, but
this area has a powerful, converting influence.
Late spring should be a good time to see it. Hope to meet some of you
there. If it works out, I would likely trailer out from Santa Barbara.
Erich Weaver
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard W Pike <rwpike@preferred.com>
Especially since it is being sold in non-flying condition.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:31 PM 1/14/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>
>Here's one for the books and it may even a be legal 103.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=419&item=2154130368
>
>Do not archive.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrm@cs.com>
For those of us east of the rocky mountains, how would one flying a Kolb get
to monument valley. For John Hauck this may be no big deal but for the rest
of us is there a southern route that doesn't require one to fly in the
oxygen required altitudes.
At some point in my life I plan on doing some traveling in my MKIII but I
figured I would have to stay east of the Rockies.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valley
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
Boyd/Gang:
Someone suggested sometime in May. That sounds
like a good time for me. I am packing my bags.
The airplane is ready to go.
Let's do it!
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> For those of us east of the rocky mountains, how would one flying a Kolb get
> to monument valley.
> Rick Neilsen
Rick/Gents:
I usually start off with my handy dandy road
atlas. I like AAA, but Rand McNally works good
to. On a long flight that will consume several
days or weeks to get there, I lay out a tentative
route of where and how I want to fly.
Start with the US map in the front of the atlas.
Decide on a general route. Then go to the state
maps and further refine your route. Once you have
this decided, get your sectionals and lay out your
route on the sectionals. A map recon is a lot of
fun to do. You can check out elevations,
restricted areas, airports (I like to use small
uncontrolled airports). Airport symbols that
overlap the little towns are good places to land
for chow. Usually they are within walking
distance of some place to eat if a courtesy car is
not available. Don't ask the FBO for a courtesy
car to go down to the store to buy mogas for your
airplane. He's trying to make a living too. Buy
100LL from him is you have to.
Now days it is even simpler to fly cross country.
For the most part on long long cross countries I
punch in a way point and fly for it. When I need
to land I go to the nearest airport on my route of
flight. Takeoff again and pickup the heading for
my way point way up there some where. When I
departed Titus, Alabama, for Alaska, my first
waypoint was Minot, ND. Took me three days to get
there and I flew the most direct route minus my
little op stops and RONs just off course and
sometimes right on course. I can deviate when it
is best to take another route. Always try and
keep up with my position on the sectional in case
I lose the GPS. This has happened before. Most
of the time I get reception again in a few
minutes.
A long cross country is made up of a lot of short
legs. For me, about one to two hours in length.
Usually dictated by the capacity of my bladder.
The flight is primarily the fun of meeting the
people. If I don't land I don't get to meet the
folks.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
1/14/03 17:51Rick & Martha Neilsen
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <neilsenrm@cs.com>
>
> For those of us east of the rocky mountains, how would one flying a Kolb get
> to monument valley. For John Hauck this may be no big deal but for the rest
> of us is there a southern route that doesn't require one to fly in the
> oxygen required altitudes.
>
> At some point in my life I plan on doing some traveling in my MKIII but I
> figured I would have to stay east of the Rockies.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIII
=======================================
Well you can always track along I-10. till you get to Tucson then track
North. Another thing I would recommend is the purchase of a good GPS unit,
if you don't already have one. If you got the dough get the Garmin-295, or
the Garmin-196/195. It makes cross country flights into more of an endurance
project (blader control) than a pilotage challange. :-)
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
1/14/03 18:14Erich_Weaver@URSCorp.com
>
> Late spring should be a good time to see it. Hope to meet some of you
> there. If it works out, I would likely trailer out from Santa Barbara.
>
> Erich Weaver
========================
Well if my flying contraption is finished by then I will be coming as well.
I'd fly the whole way up there. Not to jump ahead,, but is the plan (if
there is one) to do camping or hotel stay, and if so what are the
facilities. It will be a tight squeez to finish my project but now I have a
goal to shoot for.
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Keep it nice..................we're s'posed to be buddies, remember ??
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> How about "Hanger Queen" that's kinda nice.
>
>
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > > Yah, that's sorta what I mean. I understand that in Russia, boats,
etc.,
> > > are given masculine names, and, of course, in this country they're
given
> > > feminine ones. Well, I'm not Russian, (anywhere), and as you say,
Vamoose
> > > certainly isn't very ladylike, so I dunno. Hate to keep saying "it,"
but I
> > > guess that's it. (pun intended) Hang in there.
> > > Lar. Do not Archive.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Move over, Rodney.....................just cain't get no respect. Move
over, Richard...............who they gonna pick on when Vamoose is flying ??
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <FS2Kolb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FS2Kolb@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/14/03 10:11:24 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> possums@mindspring.com writes:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> >
> > How about "Hanger Queen" that's kinda nice.
>
> More like "Porch Queen"
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
This HAS made me unique, tho'....................Vamoose is the only plane
in existence with Porch Rash. Lesser mortals have had to make do with
Hangar Rash. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bob n" <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight aka Names
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> How about Ground Pounder?
>
> BN
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" <hefners_tucson@hotmail.com>
-- Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <A href="mailto:jhauck@sw.rr.com?subject=Re:%20monument%20valleyreplyto=200301142338.h0ENcKP24159@matronics.com">jhauck@sw.rr.com
Boyd/Gang:
Someone suggested sometime in May. That sounds
like a good time for me. I am packing my bags.
The airplane is ready to go.
Let's do it!
john h
========================================
John/others planning to do Monument Valley:
We would need fix a set of dates and get a count of names and # planesthat wouldbe
there at once and get that cleared with Gouldings to lock-in on a plan. Everyone
would also need to make reservations for camping or staying at the lodge.I'm
sure this will likelybe a lot more traffic than normal, so I'm not sure
what they will say.They have Caravan's flying in/out acouple times during the
day hauling visitors, but early in the morning and later in the evening, it is
wide open and winds light.
There is a pretty big bare dirt tie down area with cables that you can tie off
to. The strip is half paved, up toward the lodge end and the rest is dirt. There
is only one choice for take off and landings. Since there is a big bluff up
behind the lodge, all take-offs are toward the North and all landings are toward
the South. Its a short flight to the monuments from there.
May is peak season at the lodge so rooms are pricey $120+, but they do give some
Sr discounts and there is a pilot lounge/room that my friend rented one night
for around $85 It's half way down the strip and out pretty far from the main
lodge restraunts and it's only one room. Campground is great and during the
week not hard to get a reservation in with hook-ups around $25/night. The weekend
when I was up there (5/18)an Airstream convention descended on the place and
there was not an empty spot in the campground, so doing this during the week
would be the safest bet for campers and possibly those staying at the lodge.
We left on Sat morning, after the crowd arrived Fri, which worked out well.
Gouldings strip is a private strip, so permission is required. They said they needed
copies of liability insurance, but I sent them a letter of our planned visit
and relieved them of any liability and they were OK with that and sent me
a return fax approval to use their runway. Would probably need to do that individually
by fax, since they want something signed for their files.
Gouldings Lodge is a really great place, even has a museum, which is really interesting
and a really good restraunt with great food and reasonable prices. There
is a Conoco station right at the lodge for autofuel.
Thats about it for now. As noted in another post, there are lots of other things
to see and fly to in that area, including Lake Powell and many other attractions
in Southern Utah. I've been to Moab a couple times by car and want to fly
Arches and Canyonlands Ntl Parks sometime. Need more vacation, or better yet,
to retire!
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
FF#022
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
John --
Not to sound ungrateful for your sage advice... but there's a lot of us
aren't retired/rich-as-sin or otherwise have all the time in the world to
get someplace. I need to map it out ahead of time, and try to not only
find routes that aren't too high, but routes that get me there as
millipede-speedy as an ultralight can be.
I, too, am wondering the best "southern" route to get to Monument
Valley. (I say "southern" -- meaning southern New Mexico -- because my
first looks makes the southern route LOOK like it's all mostly lower
altitudes. Ok, ok, maybe not LOWER altitudes, but not-so-high altitudes.)
My first inclination is to follow (roughly) Interstate 10 to San Antonio,
then U.S. Hwy 90 through Del Rio (dancing around the air force base),
Sanderson, Alpine, then at Van Horn get back on I-10 West. From there it
seems like following I-25 up to Albuquerque would be okay, then I-40 west
to around Gallup, NM, then north along 666 (keeps you east of a mountain
range) which will take you to Shiprock. Then, rather than follow 64 to the
west, go a little north to the San Juan River (I'll bet it's beautiful) and
follow it to the Four Corners area. Where 160 intersects the San Juan
River, turn directly west, and 66 miles later, you're landing at Gould's.
I did all that with a road map. I'll have to run that route with a
sectional to see how many Restricted areas I might violate <g> but I think
that route keeps me near civilization, and out of the 7000'+ mountains.
Anyway, it just SEEMS like auto roads are going to -- in general -- follow
the least steep mountains, the lowest passes, etc, just like we'd want to.
Any comments about that route?
Also, I'll be going from sea level to 6,000 - 7,000 feet... is there
anything I should do to prepare my plane for that? Should I bring
"high-altitude" jets for my carb?
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: monument valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
To the best of my knowledge, following I-40 shouldn't be too bad. You're
gonna have high country which ever way you come, but I think that's the
easiest. Hwy 160 would be much more direct, and very scenic, but you'd have
to tackle Wolf Creek Pass, at nearly 11,000 ft. Keep in mind that Canyon de
Chelly is not too far southeast of Monument Valley, and would be an easy
diversion. Beautiful place. For more (and, I think, the best)
cliff-dweller ruins, Mesa Verde, near Cortez, CO., is right on the way, and
is spectacular. Also, the Grand Canyon isn't too far west, and I don't need
to boost THAT one. Lotsa neat places out here......................Palm
Springs, even. :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
> 1/14/03 17:51Rick & Martha Neilsen
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
<neilsenrm@cs.com>
> >
> > For those of us east of the rocky mountains, how would one flying a Kolb
get
> > to monument valley. For John Hauck this may be no big deal but for the
rest
> > of us is there a southern route that doesn't require one to fly in the
> > oxygen required altitudes.
> >
> > At some point in my life I plan on doing some traveling in my MKIII but
I
> > figured I would have to stay east of the Rockies.
> >
> > Rick Neilsen
> > Redrive VW powered MKIII
> =======================================
>
> Well you can always track along I-10. till you get to Tucson then track
> North. Another thing I would recommend is the purchase of a good GPS unit,
> if you don't already have one. If you got the dough get the Garmin-295, or
> the Garmin-196/195. It makes cross country flights into more of an
endurance
> project (blader control) than a pilotage challange. :-)
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
You can follow I-10 to El Paso, from there we can all depart together.
Our route would take us northwest, south of White Sand missile range if the
restricted area is open, over Elephant butte and land at Truth or
Consequences for fuel,
El Paso to T or C 127 miles
T or C to Grants 155 mi
Grants to Gallup 70 mi
Gallup to Chinlee 72 mi, no services at Chinlee so we have to carry our own
fuel and depending on the winds, fuel up there unless you carry long range
tanks.
Chinlee to Monument Valley 79.5 mi
As I vaguely recall, at one point, we did have to fly over 10,000 feet to get
over some mountains, not a problem.
Bring your "high-altitude" jets, El Paso is 4,000 feet MSL
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
And Chinle is the entrance to Canyon de Chelly. I drove thru there last
summer, and camped at the top of the Canyon................the whole area is
spectacular, just keeps getting better & better. How does the last 1/2
of May sound to you guys ?? Sounds like it might be best to make it
mid-week, too. Bring your warmies...............evenings are cool up in
that high country. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> You can follow I-10 to El Paso, from there we can all depart together.
> Our route would take us northwest, south of White Sand missile range if
the
> restricted area is open, over Elephant butte and land at Truth or
> Consequences for fuel,
> El Paso to T or C 127 miles
> T or C to Grants 155 mi
> Grants to Gallup 70 mi
> Gallup to Chinlee 72 mi, no services at Chinlee so we have to carry our
own
> fuel and depending on the winds, fuel up there unless you carry long range
> tanks.
> Chinlee to Monument Valley 79.5 mi
> As I vaguely recall, at one point, we did have to fly over 10,000 feet to
get
> over some mountains, not a problem.
> Bring your "high-altitude" jets, El Paso is 4,000 feet MSL
>
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Yes, the Canyon is something to look at and pictures don't do it justice;
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/Prominent.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/MonumentV.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/Monument1.jpg
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/Page.jpg
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
do not archive
> And Chinle is the entrance to Canyon de Chelly.=A0 I drove thru there last
> summer, and camped at the top of the Canyon................the whole area
is
> spectacular, just keeps getting better & better.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 How does the
last 1/2
> of May sound to you guys ??=A0=A0 Sounds like it might be best to make it
> mid-week, too.=A0=A0 Bring your warmies...............evenings are cool up in
> that high country.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lar.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
Do not Archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Lar,
I regret to inform you that Vamoose is not the only plane with porch rash,
my wings and control surfaces are wintering on my front porch. Put them up
there the day I finished painting, put the awnings up and BAM! the temps
have not got above 40 degrees since. And it also seems like the wind has
been blowing 50mph since. If those awnings tear, I'll be in a world of
hurt.
This has been the worst fall and early winter I have seen in years. I have
already burnt more wood than I did all last winter.
Denny (freezing my tail off} Rowe
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight aka Names
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> This HAS made me unique, tho'....................Vamoose is the only plane
> in existence with Porch Rash. Lesser mortals have had to make do with
> Hangar Rash. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bob n" <ronoy@shentel.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley Flight aka Names
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n <ronoy@shentel.net>
> >
> > How about Ground Pounder?
> >
> > BN
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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