---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/22/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:44 AM - Photos (Paul Petty) 2. 11:15 AM - monument valey (boyd young) 3. 12:32 PM - N-numbered night cert? (Robert Laird) 4. 12:35 PM - Re: monument valey (Dave Rains) 5. 12:58 PM - Re: monument valey (John Hauck) 6. 01:07 PM - Re: N-numbered night cert? (John Williamson) 7. 01:21 PM - Re: N-numbered night cert? (Bruce McElhoe) 8. 02:47 PM - Re: monument valey (Doug Wetzel) 9. 03:23 PM - Re: monument valey (CaptainRon) 10. 03:26 PM - Re: monument valey (CaptainRon) 11. 03:52 PM - Re: monument valey (John Hauck) 12. 05:16 PM - Re: monument valey (Larry Bourne) 13. 06:05 PM - Extra fuel?? (Joel Reed) 14. 07:06 PM - Re: Extra fuel?? (Larry Cottrell) 15. 09:37 PM - progress () 16. 09:48 PM - Re: monument valey (CaptainRon) 17. 09:57 PM - Re: Extra fuel?? (Bruce McElhoe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:22 AM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Photos SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, USER_IN_WHITELIST) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" I have sent some photos to the photo share of a Kolb. Does anyone know the owner of model? Paul Petty ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:08 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" Maybe we better move it up a month, forget about Sun and Fun, and do it in April Wonder what the temps are in March? :-) john h cant say much for southern utah.... but in the north april can be quite cold... and the early part of the month is the rainy season..... so if you are thinking april thnk the end .... when i go out to the golden spike site on may 10 the temp can vary from 45 and rain to 75-80 and hot and dry..... nights are always quite cold and i have seen the time where on may 10 we had 6 inches of snow.... is your crystal ball better than mine??? also i thought that to involve mothers day weekend in may, would end up getting some of us shot. i will try to fine some average data for mid april to the end of may and then we can decide based on the facts. boyd ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:46 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Kolb-List: N-numbered night cert? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird To those of you with N-numbered experimentals... The regs for the Airworthiness Certificate for experimentals state that it's for "VFR, Day Only." Does anyone know what it takes -- after I add navigation lights -- to have it changed to allow night flying? -- Robert ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:33 PM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains I recommend some good ballistic armor for those afraid of their significant other. We really do need to come to a decision on the dates, so all can plan accordingly. May would be better for me. Got to Go! Wife is calling! Dave Rains do not archive -----Original Message----- From: boyd young [SMTP:by0ung@brigham.net] Subject: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" Maybe we better move it up a month, forget about Sun and Fun, and do it in April Wonder what the temps are in March? :-) john h cant say much for southern utah.... but in the north april can be quite cold... and the early part of the month is the rainy season..... so if you are thinking april thnk the end .... when i go out to the golden spike site on may 10 the temp can vary from 45 and rain to 75-80 and hot and dry..... nights are always quite cold and i have seen the time where on may 10 we had 6 inches of snow.... is your crystal ball better than mine??? also i thought that to involve mothers day weekend in may, would end up getting some of us shot. i will try to fine some average data for mid april to the end of may and then we can decide based on the facts. boyd ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:01 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > May would be better for me. Got to Go! Wife is > calling! > Dave Rains Dave/Gang: I'm ready to go now. How cold is it in Monument Valley in January. Oh well, I'll have to wait until May if I am going to get to see everyones smiling faces. :-) Looking forward to a good flight. john h PS: Haven't had to worry about wife for many years. However, girlfriends can interfere with flying plans as well as any wife. Just can't take me to court over it. hehehe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:21 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N-numbered night cert? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Robert, A paragraph in your Operating Limitations is all it takes to allow night flight. This is the paragraph that is in my Phase II section: After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with CFR section 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only. John Williamson Arlington, TX N49KK, Kolb Kolbra, Jabiru 2200, 180 hours http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot/ DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:41 PM PST US From: "Bruce McElhoe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N-numbered night cert? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" Robert, First, be sure your operating limitations say something like, "After completion of phase 1 flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and /or instrument flight in accordance with Section 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only." If they don't say something similar, go back to the FSDO and have them changed. If that is taken care of and you've completed phase 1, then simply comply with the six requirements listed in 91.205(c), make a log-book entry, and fly. Check the regs for details.....basically they require position lights, anti-collision light, adequate energy, and spare fuses. Regards, Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88 Reedley, Calif. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird > > > To those of you with N-numbered experimentals... The regs for the > Airworthiness Certificate for experimentals state that it's for "VFR, Day > Only." Does anyone know what it takes -- after I add navigation lights -- > to have it changed to allow night flying? > > -- Robert > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:07 PM PST US From: Doug Wetzel Subject: RE: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: Doug Wetzel weather.com say 51 degrees right now in Mexican Hat, Utah. (Near Monument Valley) Are non-kolb-non-flyers-but-hopeful-wannabe-kolb-flyers welcome as well? Doug Wetzel Seattle, WA 206-217-7862 mailto:dougwe@wrq.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > May would be better for me. Got to Go! Wife is > calling! > Dave Rains Dave/Gang: I'm ready to go now. How cold is it in Monument Valley in January. Oh well, I'll have to wait until May if I am going to get to see everyones smiling faces. :-) Looking forward to a good flight. john h PS: Haven't had to worry about wife for many years. However, girlfriends can interfere with flying plans as well as any wife. Just can't take me to court over it. hehehe DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon I also vote for May the later the better. I have a shot at being flight ready by then. do not archive 1/22/03 13:38Dave Rains > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains > > I recommend some good ballistic armor for those afraid of their significant > other. We really do need to come to a decision on the dates, so all can > plan accordingly. May would be better for me. Got to Go! Wife is > calling! > Dave Rains > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:26:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon 1/22/03 15:46Doug Wetzel > Are non-kolb-non-flyers-but-hopeful-wannabe-kolb-flyers welcome as well? ================== I think so,,, and more so if they bring the beer and hot dogs. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:13 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Are non-kolb-non-flyers-but-hopeful-wannabe-kolb-flyers welcome as well? > > Doug Wetzel Doug/Gang: Don't see why not. The more the merrier. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:16 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm in your corner, Ron. Not sure which plane I'll be flying yet...............looks like I'm gonna be a 2 plane bachelor, but I'll be there. I prefer the end of the month for the reasons Boyd stated....................weather. How are you coming on your construction ?? Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CaptainRon" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > I also vote for May the later the better. I have a shot at being flight > ready by then. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:28 PM PST US From: "Joel Reed" Subject: Kolb-List: Extra fuel?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joel Reed" Hello Fellow Kolbers, I just wanted to say thanks to those who shared their ideas with me on how I could carry more fuel on my plane, I got more ideas than I had before but I haven't quite decided yet. I am still pondering which would work for the best for me. Thanks Joel Reed 84 Firestar Lancaster Co, Pa DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:25 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Extra fuel?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Reed" Subject: Kolb-List: Extra fuel?? I have been thinking about how I can carry enough extra fuel to make a long trip worth while and I have decided that I am going to add another facet fuel pump, plumb a 5 gal plastic container lid with a pick up tube, run it to the extra pump, run it to my first tank that is installed in the Kolb. When the first tank gets close to empty, (I have a gage that will tell me the level) turn on the extra pump and refill it while I am flying. When I don't need it I can set it aside, plug the lines and forget about it. Nothing permanent or in the way, but there when I need it. That should give me a 250 mile range, or damn close to it. Investment about 35 bucks or less. Larry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:46 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: progress --> Kolb-List message posted by: Finished the seat and seat belt installation today, hope to mount the nose cone and instruments tommorrow so I can get the enclosure popped together. Man do those anodized floor pans look sweet! Spent an hour this evening helping the gas company service guy thaw out our gas regulator. This weather is horrible! 0 degrees F and expected to be -5 F by morning. I am so glad we have the wood burner to back up the gas furnace or we would have been in real trouble tonight. Did I mention my garage workshop is unheated? Neither rain nor snow nor COLD freaking winters will keep this dude from finishing his Kolb by next month. How about you Lar? :-) Denny Rowe Mk-3, 690L-70 South Western PA ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: monument valey From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon 1/22/03 18:15Larry Bourne > How are you coming on your construction > ?? Lar. Do not Archive. ==================== Lar, mates; Well today I picked up the finished cage all powder coated "Sky Blue". :-) I sort of agonized over the paint color for a while, and finally chosen light blue. White was too mondane and everybody seems to have it. Red which is another popular color is an eye ache, and too hot for the desert. I personaly hung around the shop and masked the parts like the pedal slides that you mentioned from locking up by the coating. Still had to do some work to loosen them, but now they are free on the slides. I will upload a few photo's of the cage as soon as I figure how to do it. While the cage was being sand blasted and de-rusted coated, I decided to eliminate any of uncle Hauk leading age distortion (real or imagined) from happening to ...( now I gotta come up with a name for that collection of rivets & tubes). So I wrapped a bunch of 2024 .017 strips around every other rib to spar contact, leading and trailing. They are so thin that I doubt that they will be noticable once covered with tape, and if they are then so be it. Tomorrow if work is slow I'll start the mating of the boom to cage. Any points from anyone will be welocmed as always... I hope I took enough photo's at the TNK Fly-In to keep me going to the finish. Those plans simply suck. For the 14 grand or so they charge, they sure can do a video camara walk around the factory demo, shoot from all angles and provide a casset. I should have done so myself. I guess till Brucy Baby does not build one himself, the manual will be slow in improving. I am fairly solid in my decision for the Hirth 100+ hp motor. I am wondering how complex that installation will be,, if at all???? Oh yes while the cage was being baked in the oven it seems that a couple drops of oil blead out of it from a weld joint and onto the paint staining it. Do they rust proof the tubes with oil at the factory? Still got a long way to go. Have you gotten that VW engine started? Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:28 PM PST US From: "Bruce McElhoe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Extra fuel?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" Joel, One of the tricks used around here to transfer fuel from a reserve tank to the main tank is to simply blow in the vent on the reserve tank. Run a long enough vent tube to reach your mouth. Simple....effective...takes awhile though. Regards Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88 Reedley, Calif. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joel Reed" > > Hello Fellow Kolbers, > I just wanted to say thanks to those who shared their ideas with me on how I could carry more fuel on my plane, I got more ideas than I had before but I haven't quite decided yet. I am still pondering which would work for the best for me. > Thanks > Joel Reed > 84 Firestar > Lancaster Co, Pa