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     1. 03:19 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave Rains)
     2. 07:20 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (John Hauck)
     3. 08:08 AM - Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     4. 08:34 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (CaptainRon)
     5. 10:21 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Bob Bean)
     6. 10:31 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Jeremy Casey)
     7. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Jeffrey Jones)
     8. 10:52 AM - Space shuttle Columbia (bob n)
     9. 11:23 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (John Hauck)
    10. 11:59 AM - monument vallely (boyd young , by0ung@brighamlnet)
    11. 12:45 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Peter Volum)
    12. 01:28 PM - ECDS ()
    13. 01:41 PM - Kicking the compost (Kirk Smith)
    14. 01:42 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died aka what he said (bob n)
    15. 03:41 PM - CPS' oil thermostat...???? (Robert Laird)
    16. 03:54 PM - Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? (John Hauck)
    17. 04:10 PM - Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? (John Hauck)
    18. 08:43 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (GeoR38@aol.com)
    19. 08:49 PM - Re: Monument Valley (WillUribe@aol.com)
 
 
 
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
      
      Dates sound good to me too.  I'll be picking up Dennis Kirby on the way, 
      providing he hasn't flown the required hours of his MK III.  Will make 
      arrangements with Goulding.
      Really enjoyed my last flight around the monuments.
      Dave
      do not archive
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From:        John Hauck [SMTP:jhauck@sw.rr.com]
      Subject:        Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      
      > I thought it was agreed we'd go on May 19 & 20, and have already put it 
      on
      > the calendar at work. (???)
      > Larry Bourne
      
      Larry/Gang:
      
      That is my ETA, 18 May or earlier.  Depends on how
      long it takes to fly, wind and weather.
      
      I will also make coordination for myself with
      Goulding about flying in and camping.  If no one
      shows up but me, I will be covered.  Where's the
      mess hall?
      
      john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      Gene/Gents:
      
      Call Ronnie Smith at South Mississippi Lt Acft. 
      Get the values for checking your ign system with a
      multimeter.
      
      I tried getting the info out of the online
      maintenance manual for 447 from Kodiak, but there
      isn't anything in them, or I missed the info.
      
      Then get a young football player from FSU to pull
      the starter rope for you.
      
      Unusual for an engine to run fine.  Shut it down. 
      Then refuse to start.  But it happens.
      
      Especially unusual for ign system to go belly up. 
      They seldom do, but possible.
      
      Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. 
      Sometimes that works for me.  If not, then say a
      little prayer and be nice to it.
      
      Will try to fly down to Panacea next week.  Maybe
      the weather will get straightened out by then. 
      Need a break and some good seafood.
      
      Take care,
      
      john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
      
      Kolbers,
      
          I'd seen the dates but wasn't sure they were locked in - now I know.  I think
      making our own arrangements is fine too - can do eeeeeasy.  My plan is to RV
      up there and then to Brian Ranch - that fly in has always been a goal of mine.
      
          Now about insurance.  Where do I get it?  Would someone give me the name of
      an insurance company I can use and some idea of what it costs. 
      
          (Oh by the way, thanks for the credit Lar, but it wasn't me who provided the
      names and numbers.  Someone else did that and my thanks to him.)
      
      Arizona Dave
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
      
      1/29/03 8:20John Hauck
      
      > Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it.
      ====================================
      
      =====================================
      
      
      John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of
      public profanity.
      
      Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be
      as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other
      terms.
      
      You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
      
      Ron, if that qualifies for profanity??????  -BB  do not archive
      
      CaptainRon wrote:
      
      >--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
      >
      >1/29/03 8:20John Hauck
      >
      >  
      >
      >>Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it.
      >>    
      >>
      >====================================
      >
      >=====================================
      >
      >
      >John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of
      >public profanity.
      >
      >Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be
      >as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other
      >terms.
      >
      >You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that.
      >
      >do not archive
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey@ldl.net>
      
      <snip>
      Will try to fly down to Panacea next week.  Maybe
      the weather will get straightened out by then. 
      Need a break and some good seafood.
      
      Take care,
      
      john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      John/whom it may concern...
      
      There is a seafood flight getting organized for Feb 22.  A couple of
      planes from Jones Light, several from LaGrange, and I suspect a few from
      Eufaula/Polemus as well.  If anyone wants to join up then let me know
      and I get specifics to ya.  Leaving out early to get lunch and do some
      beach flying...
      
      Jeremy Casey
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jeffrey Jones <jeffrey.jones@fuse.net>
      
      
      > 
      > Wrom: BGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZI
      > Date: 2003/01/29 Wed AM 11:30:21 EST
      > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
      > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died
      > 
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
      > 
      > 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck
      > 
      > > Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it.
      > ====================================
      > 
      > =====================================
      > 
      > 
      > John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of
      > public profanity.
      > 
      > Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be
      > as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other
      > terms.
      > 
      > You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that.
      > 
      > do not archive
      >
      
      Hey Capt. Ron,
      
      I thought Mr. John did just that........... he said hit it and than find out how
      much the $ represents before the H.  :)
      
      
      Do Not Archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Space shuttle Columbia | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n <ronoy@shentel.net>
      
      
      Subject: Morning Star?
      
      This week Columbia will fly over many US towns and cities. The best time
      to watch is around daybreak, but if you
      oversleep and miss it one day--no problem. You can see it the next at
      almost exactly the same time. For example,
      on Tuesday, Jan. 28th, sky watchers in Washington D.C. can see Columbia
      glide nearly overhead at 6:01 a.m. local
      time. On Jan. 29th it will appear at 6:00 a.m.. On January 30th it will
      appear at 5:57 a.m.... and so on until the
      shuttle lands on Feb. 1st.
      
      To find out when to look from your hometown, check one of these web
      sites: Science@NASA's J-Pass
      (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/RealTime/JPass/) , Chris Peat's Heavens
      Above
      (http://www.heavens-above.com/), or the Johnson Space Flight Center's
      Skywatch
      (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/). Each will ask for
      your zip code or city, and respond
      with a schedule of suggested spotting times.
      
      The space shuttle flying overhead at dawn is really a beautiful sight.
      You'll spot it first in the western sky not too
      far from Jupiter. The giant planet is brighter than the shuttle, but not
      much. Both are among the brightest
      "stars" in the morning sky. Columbia will glide slowly eastward toward
      Venus and the rising Sun. The shuttle takes
      about 6 minutes to travel from one horizon to the other. It only seems
      slow, however. Four hundred km above
      Earth, Columbia is moving 17,500 mph!
      
      Bob N.     adjusting Old Cat to get me up
      
      do not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      
      > There is a seafood flight getting organized for Feb 22.  
      > Jeremy Casey
      
      Jeremy/Gang:
      
      Count me in.  I'm ready to go.  Don't need much
      excuse to fly for seafood.
      
      Keep me posted.
      
      Thanks,
      
      john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| From:  | "boyd young ,   by0ung@brighamlnet" <by0ung@brigham.net> | 
| Subject:  | monument vallely | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young ,   by0ung@brighamlnet" <by0ung@brigham.net>
      
      
      > I thought it was agreed we'd go on May 19 & 20, and have already put it on
      > the calendar at work. (???)    
      > Larry Bourne
      
      Larry/Gang:
      
      That is my ETA, 18 May or earlier.  Depends on how
      long it takes to fly, wind and weather.
      
      I will also make coordination for myself with
      Goulding about flying in and camping.  If no one
      shows up but me, I will be covered.  Where's the
      mess hall?
      
      john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      last fall when erich and myself attempted the flight we had decided on public airports.
      we never had reservations at hotels because we did not know for sure
      if we were going to have delays due to weather etc ....  i have been told that
      there are a lot af blm airports available....   i will try to get a list.. 
      i understand that the blm wants the airports to be used so that the tree huggers
      dont get them closed.
      
      
      Erich did you get ahold of bj?
      
      
      boyd
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
      
      (NO LONGER KOLB RELATED, SO DELETE NOW!)
      
      Funny... Checked the dictionary and there's no mention of $HIT anywhere.
      Don't think it exists.
      
      ...brings to mind the history of a similarly spelled word related to
      manure that coincidentally also isn't profane...
      
      Certain types of manure used to be transported (as everything was years
      ago) by ship. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once
      water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of
      fermentation began again, of which a byproduct is methane gas. 
      
      As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could
      (and 
      did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time
      someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! 
      
      Several ships were destroyed in this manner before the cause was
      identified. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with 
      the term "S.H.I.T" on them which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In
      Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any
      water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and
      start the production of methane.
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      SNIP
      1/29/03 8:20John Hauck:  Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of
      it.
      
      SNIP
      John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of
      public profanity....
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: <jimh474@velocityonline.net>
      
      Y'all;
      
      If anyone is interested in Lee's Emergency Chute Deployment System and has
      the plans, I will look them over and give you an honest opinion of what I
      feel about it.
      
      I have a few days of working with parachutes and allied equipment. From
      dropping ducks, chickens and up to 35,000 lbs vehicles. Been playing with
      them items almost 50 years. Even prevented Bro John from frying his bacon a
      couple of times in his early years of ultralighting.
      
      
      Jim Hauck
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Kicking the compost | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
      
      Speaking of kicking the manure. Looks like the ex will remarry in May, the $itch
      payments will end, and I will be able to finally purchase me an engine and finish
      my Mark3 . God bless that guys soul!  Now what should I name my bird?  No
      more $itch?  ;o)     Snuffy
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died  aka what he said | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n <ronoy@shentel.net>
      
      Some manure sacks (that's where the SOS came from--sack o' shi--nola)
      were stenciled Cargo Requires Alternate Positioning --C.R.A.P., further
      bastardization it became just plain crap.
      
      And: there is a tree, native to the South, called the shittah tree, of
      which comes shittim wood. Better than a brick?
      
      Bob N.   alway helpful with any crap.
      
      do Not archive
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | CPS' oil thermostat...???? | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
      
      
      John --
      
      Did you see the latest Experimenter, yet?
      
      On Page 6 there's a short blurb about the CPS Rotax 912-914 engine oil 
      remote thermostat.  It looks like a better solution than blocking off part 
      of the oil radiator.
      
      What are you thoughts on it?
      
         -- Robert
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      
      Hi Robert/Gang:
      
      > Did you see the latest Experimenter, yet?
      
      Yep.
      
      > On Page 6 there's a short blurb about the CPS Rotax 912-914 engine oil
      > remote thermostat.  It looks like a better solution than blocking off part
      > of the oil radiator.
      > What are you thoughts on it?
           -- Robert
      
      Good idea and good price, it it has been
      throroughly tested and has proven to be a reliable
      product.  Other than what I saw in the
      Experimenter, that is all I know about it.  Based
      on what CPS and some of the other UL parts houses
      sell to the unsuspecting public, I will wait a
      while before I spend my $75.00.  Would also like
      to know what the plumbing is going to look like
      once the thermostat is installed and operational.
      
      Big Lar helped me find an oil thermostat once for
      dune buggies.  IIRC it was like 300 or 400
      dollars.  Now is CPS can make a buck on something,
      it is more like doubling or tripling the normal
      price of a product.  If that is true, the
      thermostat would probably cost them about $15 or
      20.  
      
      The picture of the thermostat looked like it was
      made of pot metal, same same our own Mikuni pulse
      pumps and Bing carbs.
      
      Will have to wait and see how it works out.  Have
      not heard anything from Rotax.  Would be great if
      it works.  However, a couple wraps of gaffers tape
      on the radiator in the winter usually last me
      until warmup.  Then off comes the tape until the
      weather gets cold again.
      
      Take care,
      
      john h
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      
      > Good idea and good price, it it has been
      > throroughly tested and has proven to be a reliable
      > product. 
      
      Hi You All:
      
      Got to start proofreading.  The above is screwed
      up.  Should have read:
      
      "Good idea and good price, IF it has been
      thoroughly tested and proven to be a reliable
      product."
      
       john h
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Help!! My 447 has died | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
      
      In a message dated 1/29/03 3:46:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
      peterv@etsmiami.com writes:
      
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
      > 
      > (NO LONGER KOLB RELATED, SO DELETE NOW!)
      > 
      > Funny... Checked the dictionary and there's no mention of $HIT anywhere.
      > Don't think it exists.
      > 
      > ...brings to mind the history of a similarly spelled word related to
      > manure that coincidentally also isn't profane...
      > 
      > Certain types of manure used to be transported (as everything was years
      > ago) by ship. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once
      > water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of
      > fermentation began again, of which a byproduct is methane gas. 
      > 
      > As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could
      > (and 
      > did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time
      > someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! 
      > 
      > Several ships were destroyed in this manner before the cause was
      > identified. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with 
      > the term "S.H.I.T" on them which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In
      > Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any
      > water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and
      > start the production of methane.
      > 
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > 
      > SNIP
      > 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck:  Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of
      > it.
      > 
      > SNIP
      > John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of
      > public profanity....
      > 
      
      Peter....you are really good! ...and to think, that I never really knew the 
      origin of shit until the Hauck man made his poignant point. John is truly a 
      wizened heavy. And John, thank you as well for suffering the flames and 
      arrows to make the point.....well done!
      
      George Randolph
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Monument Valley | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
      
      Greetings Kolb Fans,
      Here are some links to old pictures of our trip to Monument Valley.
      http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
      http://members.aol.com/n4gufirestar
      Enjoy
      Will Uribe
      El Paso, TX
      FireStar II N4GU
      C-172 N2506U
      http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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