---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/29/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Monument Valley (Dave Rains) 2. 07:20 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (John Hauck) 3. 08:08 AM - Monument Valley (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (CaptainRon) 5. 10:21 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Bob Bean) 6. 10:31 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Jeremy Casey) 7. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Jeffrey Jones) 8. 10:52 AM - Space shuttle Columbia (bob n) 9. 11:23 AM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (John Hauck) 10. 11:59 AM - monument vallely (boyd young , by0ung@brighamlnet) 11. 12:45 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (Peter Volum) 12. 01:28 PM - ECDS () 13. 01:41 PM - Kicking the compost (Kirk Smith) 14. 01:42 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died aka what he said (bob n) 15. 03:41 PM - CPS' oil thermostat...???? (Robert Laird) 16. 03:54 PM - Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? (John Hauck) 17. 04:10 PM - Re: CPS' oil thermostat...???? (John Hauck) 18. 08:43 PM - Re: Help!! My 447 has died (GeoR38@aol.com) 19. 08:49 PM - Re: Monument Valley (WillUribe@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:50 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Dates sound good to me too. I'll be picking up Dennis Kirby on the way, providing he hasn't flown the required hours of his MK III. Will make arrangements with Goulding. Really enjoyed my last flight around the monuments. Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: John Hauck [SMTP:jhauck@sw.rr.com] Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I thought it was agreed we'd go on May 19 & 20, and have already put it on > the calendar at work. (???) > Larry Bourne Larry/Gang: That is my ETA, 18 May or earlier. Depends on how long it takes to fly, wind and weather. I will also make coordination for myself with Goulding about flying in and camping. If no one shows up but me, I will be covered. Where's the mess hall? john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:45 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Gene/Gents: Call Ronnie Smith at South Mississippi Lt Acft. Get the values for checking your ign system with a multimeter. I tried getting the info out of the online maintenance manual for 447 from Kodiak, but there isn't anything in them, or I missed the info. Then get a young football player from FSU to pull the starter rope for you. Unusual for an engine to run fine. Shut it down. Then refuse to start. But it happens. Especially unusual for ign system to go belly up. They seldom do, but possible. Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. Sometimes that works for me. If not, then say a little prayer and be nice to it. Will try to fly down to Panacea next week. Maybe the weather will get straightened out by then. Need a break and some good seafood. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:08 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Kolbers, I'd seen the dates but wasn't sure they were locked in - now I know. I think making our own arrangements is fine too - can do eeeeeasy. My plan is to RV up there and then to Brian Ranch - that fly in has always been a goal of mine. Now about insurance. Where do I get it? Would someone give me the name of an insurance company I can use and some idea of what it costs. (Oh by the way, thanks for the credit Lar, but it wasn't me who provided the names and numbers. Someone else did that and my thanks to him.) Arizona Dave Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck > Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. ==================================== ===================================== John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of public profanity. Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other terms. You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:07 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Ron, if that qualifies for profanity?????? -BB do not archive CaptainRon wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > >1/29/03 8:20John Hauck > > > >>Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. >> >> >==================================== > >===================================== > > >John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of >public profanity. > >Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be >as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other >terms. > >You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that. > >do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:01 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Will try to fly down to Panacea next week. Maybe the weather will get straightened out by then. Need a break and some good seafood. Take care, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE John/whom it may concern... There is a seafood flight getting organized for Feb 22. A couple of planes from Jones Light, several from LaGrange, and I suspect a few from Eufaula/Polemus as well. If anyone wants to join up then let me know and I get specifics to ya. Leaving out early to get lunch and do some beach flying... Jeremy Casey ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:55 AM PST US From: Jeffrey Jones Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jeffrey Jones > > Wrom: BGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHSCRTNHGSWZI > Date: 2003/01/29 Wed AM 11:30:21 EST > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck > > > Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. > ==================================== > > ===================================== > > > John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of > public profanity. > > Many people (the greater public) read this list and some of them may not be > as a accepting of that as some others. You could substitute some other > terms. > > You being one of the senior members of this list, I am surprised at that. > > do not archive > Hey Capt. Ron, I thought Mr. John did just that........... he said hit it and than find out how much the $ represents before the H. :) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:37 AM PST US From: bob n Subject: Kolb-List: Space shuttle Columbia --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n Subject: Morning Star? This week Columbia will fly over many US towns and cities. The best time to watch is around daybreak, but if you oversleep and miss it one day--no problem. You can see it the next at almost exactly the same time. For example, on Tuesday, Jan. 28th, sky watchers in Washington D.C. can see Columbia glide nearly overhead at 6:01 a.m. local time. On Jan. 29th it will appear at 6:00 a.m.. On January 30th it will appear at 5:57 a.m.... and so on until the shuttle lands on Feb. 1st. To find out when to look from your hometown, check one of these web sites: Science@NASA's J-Pass (http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/RealTime/JPass/) , Chris Peat's Heavens Above (http://www.heavens-above.com/), or the Johnson Space Flight Center's Skywatch (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/). Each will ask for your zip code or city, and respond with a schedule of suggested spotting times. The space shuttle flying overhead at dawn is really a beautiful sight. You'll spot it first in the western sky not too far from Jupiter. The giant planet is brighter than the shuttle, but not much. Both are among the brightest "stars" in the morning sky. Columbia will glide slowly eastward toward Venus and the rising Sun. The shuttle takes about 6 minutes to travel from one horizon to the other. It only seems slow, however. Four hundred km above Earth, Columbia is moving 17,500 mph! Bob N. adjusting Old Cat to get me up do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:30 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > There is a seafood flight getting organized for Feb 22. > Jeremy Casey Jeremy/Gang: Count me in. I'm ready to go. Don't need much excuse to fly for seafood. Keep me posted. Thanks, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:18 AM PST US From: "boyd young , by0ung@brighamlnet" Subject: Kolb-List: monument vallely --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young , by0ung@brighamlnet" > I thought it was agreed we'd go on May 19 & 20, and have already put it on > the calendar at work. (???) > Larry Bourne Larry/Gang: That is my ETA, 18 May or earlier. Depends on how long it takes to fly, wind and weather. I will also make coordination for myself with Goulding about flying in and camping. If no one shows up but me, I will be covered. Where's the mess hall? john h DO NOT ARCHIVE last fall when erich and myself attempted the flight we had decided on public airports. we never had reservations at hotels because we did not know for sure if we were going to have delays due to weather etc .... i have been told that there are a lot af blm airports available.... i will try to get a list.. i understand that the blm wants the airports to be used so that the tree huggers dont get them closed. Erich did you get ahold of bj? boyd ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:44 PM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" (NO LONGER KOLB RELATED, SO DELETE NOW!) Funny... Checked the dictionary and there's no mention of $HIT anywhere. Don't think it exists. ...brings to mind the history of a similarly spelled word related to manure that coincidentally also isn't profane... Certain types of manure used to be transported (as everything was years ago) by ship. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of fermentation began again, of which a byproduct is methane gas. As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! Several ships were destroyed in this manner before the cause was identified. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane. DO NOT ARCHIVE SNIP 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck: Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of it. SNIP John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of public profanity.... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:31 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: ECDS --> Kolb-List message posted by: Y'all; If anyone is interested in Lee's Emergency Chute Deployment System and has the plans, I will look them over and give you an honest opinion of what I feel about it. I have a few days of working with parachutes and allied equipment. From dropping ducks, chickens and up to 35,000 lbs vehicles. Been playing with them items almost 50 years. Even prevented Bro John from frying his bacon a couple of times in his early years of ultralighting. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:51 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Kolb-List: Kicking the compost --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Speaking of kicking the manure. Looks like the ex will remarry in May, the $itch payments will end, and I will be able to finally purchase me an engine and finish my Mark3 . God bless that guys soul! Now what should I name my bird? No more $itch? ;o) Snuffy ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:10 PM PST US From: bob n Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died aka what he said --> Kolb-List message posted by: bob n Some manure sacks (that's where the SOS came from--sack o' shi--nola) were stenciled Cargo Requires Alternate Positioning --C.R.A.P., further bastardization it became just plain crap. And: there is a tree, native to the South, called the shittah tree, of which comes shittim wood. Better than a brick? Bob N. alway helpful with any crap. do Not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:33 PM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Kolb-List: CPS' oil thermostat...???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird John -- Did you see the latest Experimenter, yet? On Page 6 there's a short blurb about the CPS Rotax 912-914 engine oil remote thermostat. It looks like a better solution than blocking off part of the oil radiator. What are you thoughts on it? -- Robert ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:51 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CPS' oil thermostat...???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Robert/Gang: > Did you see the latest Experimenter, yet? Yep. > On Page 6 there's a short blurb about the CPS Rotax 912-914 engine oil > remote thermostat. It looks like a better solution than blocking off part > of the oil radiator. > What are you thoughts on it? -- Robert Good idea and good price, it it has been throroughly tested and has proven to be a reliable product. Other than what I saw in the Experimenter, that is all I know about it. Based on what CPS and some of the other UL parts houses sell to the unsuspecting public, I will wait a while before I spend my $75.00. Would also like to know what the plumbing is going to look like once the thermostat is installed and operational. Big Lar helped me find an oil thermostat once for dune buggies. IIRC it was like 300 or 400 dollars. Now is CPS can make a buck on something, it is more like doubling or tripling the normal price of a product. If that is true, the thermostat would probably cost them about $15 or 20. The picture of the thermostat looked like it was made of pot metal, same same our own Mikuni pulse pumps and Bing carbs. Will have to wait and see how it works out. Have not heard anything from Rotax. Would be great if it works. However, a couple wraps of gaffers tape on the radiator in the winter usually last me until warmup. Then off comes the tape until the weather gets cold again. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:14 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: CPS' oil thermostat...???? --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Good idea and good price, it it has been > throroughly tested and has proven to be a reliable > product. Hi You All: Got to start proofreading. The above is screwed up. Should have read: "Good idea and good price, IF it has been thoroughly tested and proven to be a reliable product." john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:17 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help!! My 447 has died --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 1/29/03 3:46:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, peterv@etsmiami.com writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > (NO LONGER KOLB RELATED, SO DELETE NOW!) > > Funny... Checked the dictionary and there's no mention of $HIT anywhere. > Don't think it exists. > > ...brings to mind the history of a similarly spelled word related to > manure that coincidentally also isn't profane... > > Certain types of manure used to be transported (as everything was years > ago) by ship. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once > water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, but the process of > fermentation began again, of which a byproduct is methane gas. > > As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could > (and > did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time > someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! > > Several ships were destroyed in this manner before the cause was > identified. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with > the term "S.H.I.T" on them which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In > Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any > water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and > start the production of methane. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > SNIP > 1/29/03 8:20John Hauck: Try cussing the 447 then kick the $HIT out of > it. > > SNIP > John old buddy, one of the things I like about the list is the lack of > public profanity.... > Peter....you are really good! ...and to think, that I never really knew the origin of shit until the Hauck man made his poignant point. John is truly a wizened heavy. And John, thank you as well for suffering the flames and arrows to make the point.....well done! George Randolph ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:00 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Greetings Kolb Fans, Here are some links to old pictures of our trip to Monument Valley. http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu http://members.aol.com/n4gufirestar Enjoy Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive