Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:45 AM - Re: E gearbox (Don Martin)
2. 03:48 AM - Re: Twinstar/MarkIII (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 04:17 AM - Re: Twinstar/MarkIII (Paul Petty)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: Just a bit nippy... (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
5. 09:31 AM - Wing covering (Sellers, Dale)
6. 09:48 AM - Re: Wing covering (John Hauck)
7. 11:22 AM - Re: Wing covering (Sellers, Dale)
8. 01:39 PM - Check out Verner Motors U.S.A - Ultralight Engine Manufacturing (Airgriff2@aol.com)
9. 02:17 PM - Winter Flying (Mike Pierzina)
10. 03:07 PM - Re: Winter Flying (John Hauck)
11. 05:17 PM - Verner Engines (Paul Petty)
12. 05:24 PM - follow up (Paul Petty)
13. 05:31 PM - Age of cloth (Bill Vincent)
14. 05:47 PM - Re: Winter Flying (ul15rhb@juno.com)
15. 05:51 PM - Re: Age of cloth (John Hauck)
16. 05:53 PM - Re: Age of cloth (ul15rhb@juno.com)
17. 06:09 PM - Re: Winter Flying (Bob Bean)
18. 06:23 PM - Re: Age of cloth (Bob Bean)
19. 06:23 PM - Re: Winter Flying (Gary robert voigt)
20. 06:29 PM - Re: Verner Engines (CaptainRon)
21. 06:39 PM - Ralph (Bob Bean)
22. 06:52 PM - Instructor needed (Jim)
23. 08:09 PM - Verner Engines (John Williamson)
24. 08:15 PM - Re: Aerobatics in a Kolb (Flycrazy8@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Thanks to all who responded to my question about an E box on the 503. I've
been lurking on the net, relying on your knowledge and skills to help help
me overcome problems. So far, got the frame completed and am working on the
windscreen. Appreciate all the info.
Don
>From: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: E gearbox
>Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:35:16 -0500
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>
> >
> >I've got that setup and did not have to raise the engine. I did have to
> >carve
> >out a little of the engine mount plate so that the starter would fit and
>it's
> >now 3/4 inch from the engine mount tube. I'll send you a picture if you
>want.
> >
> >Do Not Archive
> >
> >*********************
> >Ken W. Korenek
>
>I agree with Ken , we have at least a dozen of these 503 E gear box set ups
>and I think they work great.
>Mine is not stock and you do did have to carve out a little of the engine
>mount plate so that the starter would fit -
>like Ken says.
>BTW: I got about 450 hrs without a "decarb" and still got full compression
>on both cylinders.
>Going for 600 before a tear down. Weather has slowed us down here in the
>last month or so.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar/MarkIII |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
> Dennis wrote
> >> I flew in that plane once with
>> Steve, and it's what sold me on the Verner engine - I have one in my
>> Mark-III also.
>
Dennis, could you share with the list you experiences with the Verner engine.
Any problems, what sort of performance, pros and cons, etc I was really
impressed with their web site. #165 80 hp 4 stroke $6500.. WOW
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar/MarkIII |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Bob,
Could you post that website?
Thanks
pp
----- Original Message -----
From: <Airgriff2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Twinstar/MarkIII
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
>
> > Dennis wrote
> > >> I flew in that plane once with
> >> Steve, and it's what sold me on the Verner engine - I have one in
my
> >> Mark-III also.
> >
> Dennis, could you share with the list you experiences with the Verner
engine.
> Any problems, what sort of performance, pros and cons, etc I was really
> impressed with their web site. #165 80 hp 4 stroke $6500.. WOW
> Fly safe
> Bob Griffin
>
>
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| Subject: | Just a bit nippy... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Hey Feldmann,
It's about time that you stoke that fire underneath your Kolb project. Funny
thing is, that you don't need an engine to start the covering process?! This
is perfect weather to be covering that Firestar of yours.
Seriously, Stephan and I keep tabs on each others progress on our twin Firestar
II projects. I'm starting to cover and he decided to stop on the Firestar and
build a beautiful customized fully enclosed trailer. It's built and looks better
than any commercially built trailer I've seen. Very impressive!
Regards,
Tim
Firestar II soon to be in covering process.
-----Original Message-----
From: abbygirlk9 [mailto:abbygirlk9@netzero.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: Just a bit nippy...
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "abbygirlk9" <abbygirlk9@netzero.net>
Hey list, I wanted to write & encourage you builders out there especially if you
need a shot in the arm to keep plugging away with that Kolb project. A few
months back Big Lar reported taking a ride with George Thompson in his Firestar
II and scouting the area north of Prescott, AZ looking for critters and such.
Well I did the same last Saturday and it was a needed infusion to remind
me of why I was making a career out of building a plane and a trailer to put it
in.....it was great to finally take a hop in the same plane that I have been
constructing for the past 2 years. After reading Big Lar's post about his hop
(and seeing the pictures) I decided to ask George for the same .....yaa, what
a cool ride (actually about 35 degrees) in very calm & clear air. George's
FS II was rock stable and flew hands off, now that's what I want! The point of
course is that sometimes a person needs more than just reading the list for
a boost - - get a ride and experience the Kolb, and !
for some it may be for the first time.
Stephen Feldmann
Glendale, AZ
Firestar II 400+ hours in construction so far
Firestar II custom trailer nearly done after 6 months
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sellers, Dale" <DSellers@SGTCOLLEGE.ORG>
I need some advice. I am recovering the wings on an Ultra Star and I need
to know if I need to run the surface tapes the entire length of the ribs or
stop it at the end of the rivet line.
Dale Sellers
Georgia Ultra Star
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| Subject: | Re: Wing covering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> I am recovering the wings on an Ultra Star and I need
> to know if I need to run the surface tapes the entire length of the ribs or
> stop it at the end of the rivet line.
>
> Dale Sellers
Hi Dale/Gang:
Scratching my head trying to remember. Think the
old Ultrastar instructions indicated covering the
fabric rivest and a little bit more. I do my
wings a little different. I go ahead and wrap the
wing with one single piece of trim tape. Taping
goes fast and it also is stronger and looks
better. I also cover false ribs, but only their
length plus a little overhang.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Sellers, Dale" <DSellers@SGTCOLLEGE.ORG>
Thanks John.
Dale Sellers
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@sw.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing covering
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> I am recovering the wings on an Ultra Star and I need
> to know if I need to run the surface tapes the entire length of the ribs
or
> stop it at the end of the rivet line.
>
> Dale Sellers
Hi Dale/Gang:
Scratching my head trying to remember. Think the
old Ultrastar instructions indicated covering the
fabric rivest and a little bit more. I do my
wings a little different. I go ahead and wrap the
wing with one single piece of trim tape. Taping
goes fast and it also is stronger and looks
better. I also cover false ribs, but only their
length plus a little overhang.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Check out Verner Motors U.S.A - Ultralight Engine Manufacturing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
<A HREF="http://www.vernermotors.com/Welcome.htm">Verner Motors U.S.A - Ultralight
Engine Manufacturing
Here is the link to the Verner Engine web page.
Or try <A HREF="www.vernermotors.com/welcome.htm">www.vernermotors.com/welcome.htm
Fly safe
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey,
Where is Ralph Burlingame, Been Flying this Winter ?
DO NOT ARCHIVE
---
Sometimes you just have to take the leap
and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Where is Ralph Burlingame, Been Flying this Winter ?
Mike
Mike/Gang:
Ralph has not been up on the List in a good while
now.
Anybody out there seen Ralph lately?
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Hi Kolbers,
I have been looking at these Verner Engines the past couple of days. Bob made a
comment of 80 hp for 6500 bucks WOW! I looked at the website he had seen that
engine on and I think that company is no longer. I have sent an e-mail to them
asking if their availability and $6500.00 price is still current. We will see.
On the other hand there are four US distributors of the engines as per the
company website http://verneraircraftengines.com/ that claim the engines, both
the 133m and the VM1400 sell for $7995.00.
My question is this... It appears that the Verner engines that have been used in
the past are the VM1400 models with the belt PRDU and the new 133M is a gearbox
fitted design.
Here are the companies specs....
Technical Specifications For Verner 133M
Rated Power 78 HP @ 5000 RPM (5 minutes maximum!)
Torque 129 Nm (95 ft/lb) @ 3500 RPM
Fuel Consumption 2.2 (U.S.)gph / 8.6 L/hr
Maximum Continuous Power 68 HP @ 4000 RPM
Displacement 1329 cc
Bore 97 mm
Stroke 90 mm
Propeller rotation CCW, viewed from the front, tractor propeller
Compression Ratio 1 : 9.8
Weight 64 kg 142 lbs, including all accessories*
Spark Plugs NGK CR9EK + NGK CR9EVX or Champion RG 92 DC + Champion RG94C
Electric Starter 12V / 1000W
Generator (Alternator) 12V / 160W (13 Amp)
Lubrication Oil class SH/SG 5
Fuel Aviation petrol 100 LL Avgas or motor petrol - octane number 95
Fuel Pump Pierburg 7.20971.63
Carburetor 2 Dellorto PHVE/PHM
Reduction Drive 1 : 2 Gear reduction
Propeller hub 75 mm B.C. x 6 x 8 mm tapped holes (possible also 100 mm once
consulted with the manufacturer)
Battery 17 Ah minimum (24 Ah recommended)
TBO 800 hours
* accessories - include the oil-cooler, instruments, electric start, full exhaust,
air-filter, and oil-filter.
WARNING: This aircraft engine does NOT comply with federal safety regulations for
standard aircraft. This is for use in experimental and microlight uncertified
aircraft only and only in circumstances in which engine failure will not compromise
safety. Read operator=92s manual before operating the engine.
$7,995 F.O.B. Engine gauges, cooler, exhaust, and engine mount sold separately.
OEM inquires are welcome.
Additional option is an upgrade from analog engine gauges to a single multi-sensor
digital gauge.
M133 will be available in Fall 2002. 1/3 deposit is necessary to order a 133M.
Normal delivery 4-6 weeks post-order after September 2002. Manufactured in the
Czech Republic.
Technical Specification For VM 1400
Rated Power 80 BHP (58 kW) @ 5,000 rpm (5 minutes maximum!)
Torque 129 Nm (95 ft. lbs.) @ 3,500 rpm
Fuel Consumption 2.2 (U.S.)gph / 8.6 L/hr @ 3,550 rpm (70% power)
Maximum Continuous Power 70 BHP (52 kW) @ 4,000 rpm
Displacement 1387 cc (85.43 cu.in.)
Bore 94 mm (3.70 in)
Stroke 100 mm (3.94 in)
Propeller rotation Clockwise (viewed from the propeller side)
Compression Ratio 1:10.2
Weight 75 kg (165 lbs.), including all required components* (without oil)
Ignition Timing 14-20 degrees BTDC
Spark Plugs NGK CR9EK, NGK CR9EVX, Champion RG92DC, Champion RG94C
Spark Plug Gap 0.4 mm (0.016 in.)
Electric Starter 12 V / 1,000 watt
Generator (Alternator) 12 V / 70 watt (6 Amp)
Lubrication Castrol SH/SG 5-50W (Synthetic), AEROSHELL 15-50 (Semi-Synthetic)
Fuel Automotive 91 octane minimum or 100 LL AvGas
Fuel Pump AC 816031, Mechnical
Carburetors 2 x Bing 64
Reduction Drive 1.88:1 2.0:1 or 2.20:1, 80-85 mm x 8 mm pitch cog-belt
Propeller hub 75 mm B.C. x 6 x 8 mm tapped holes (100 mm available on request)
TBO 1200 hours
*required components - include the oil-cooler, instruments, electric start, full
exhaust, air-filter, and oil-filter.
WARNING: This aircraft engine does NOT comply with federal safety regulations for
standard aircraft. This is for use in experimental and microlight uncertified
aircraft only and only in circumstances in which engine failure will not compromise
safety. Read operator=92s manual before operating the engine.
$7,995 F.O.B. Engine gauges, exhaust, and motor mount sold separately. OEM inquires
are welcome.
Additional option is an upgrade from analog engine gauges to a single multi-sensor
digital gauge.
Normal delivery 4-6 weeks post-order. Manufactured in the Czech Republic.
ppp........
n4958p
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Question: The new Verner 133 claims it has:
2 Dellorto PHVE/PHM Carbs?
What is that? I only see one?
ppp.........
N4958P
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers !
My Firestar II is 10 years old and has always been kept in a hangar
except for when I am flying it. (300 hrs.)
The plane is covered with Stits cloth.
My questions are: How long before I have to recover the plane?
Should I buy a special tool to check the cloth condition?
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:07:07 -0600 John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>
>
> > Where is Ralph Burlingame, Been Flying this Winter ?
> Mike
>
> Mike/Gang:
>
> Ralph has not been up on the List in a good while
> now.
>
> Anybody out there seen Ralph lately?
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
Mike, John, and gang,
Ralph Burlingame is very much alive and flying on a regular basis. Last
weekend MUA (Minnesota Ultralight Association) had it's annual winter
fly-in. If you can imagine chile and hot chocolate out on a frozen lake.
For you southern guys, this means setting up lawn chairs, tables, grill,
and driving our cars on top of 20+" of frozen lake. The winds were light
and the temps were in the upper 30's. Not bad for Minnesota.
We had a great time waving at folks as we flew by at 3' AIL (above ice
level). I simply love skimming the lake for miles on end, it's a rush.
The 'ol Firestar is flying so well, that our club president, a former
Firestar owner, asked if he could fly it as his Titan Tornado was left at
home. He had a grand time and came back with a big smile on his face.
It's not often I get to see my own plane flying overhead.
Yes guys, I monitor the list and am spending time with a new girlfriend I
found in the personals. That probably explains a lot right there.
(please don't tell her, but the Firestar is still #1 in my eyes :)
do not archive
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Age of cloth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> The plane is covered with Stits cloth.
> My questions are: How long before I have to recover the plane?
> Should I buy a special tool to check the cloth condition?
>
> Bill Vincent
Hi Bill/Gang:
You didn't say whether the fabric was protected by
Polyspray (aluminized dope). If it is properly
protected with Polyspray, it is good
indefinitely. Far as I know polyester dacron is
impervious to most stuff except UV light. The
Polyspray is used to keep the UV from getting to
the fabric.
Contact the guys at the local EAA Chap for a
fabric tester or your friend the local A&E
mechanic at the airport. They will probably lend
you a fabric tester to test your fabric.
Fabric on my right wing is 11 years old. I keep
my airplane in a hanger, but the front is open, so
UV can get to it. UV can also be reflected, so if
the bottom of the wing is not protected with
Polyspray, UV is working on it also.
My thoughts,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Age of cloth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:28:29 -0600 Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent
> <emailbill@chartermi.net>
>
> Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers !
>
> My Firestar II is 10 years old and has always been kept in a hangar
> except for when I am flying it. (300 hrs.)
> The plane is covered with Stits cloth.
> My questions are: How long before I have to recover the plane?
> Should I buy a special tool to check the cloth condition?
>
> Bill Vincent
> Firestar II
> Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
>
> Do Not Archive
Bill and others,
Mine is 16 years old and plenty strong. You can go at least that long. If
it's in the hanger when not flying, it should last at least 20 years or
longer.
Ralph
Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I think Ralph's wheels might have frozen in the pond. Sure would appreciate
some message of his condition though. -BB , relatively warm in W. NY
John Hauck wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>
>
>
>
>> Where is Ralph Burlingame, Been Flying this Winter ?
>>
>>
> Mike
>
>Mike/Gang:
>
>Ralph has not been up on the List in a good while
>now.
>
>Anybody out there seen Ralph lately?
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Age of cloth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Bill, I feel inspired to reply.....No.1- If it looks good, it is good.
20 year old dacron, if kept inside is still good. Don't let some geriatric
A&P touch it with one of those barbaric punch testers.
The glue holding everthing together will fail before the fabric does.-BB
Bill Vincent wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
>
>Hi Kolb Builders and Flyers !
>
>My Firestar II is 10 years old and has always been kept in a hangar
>except for when I am flying it. (300 hrs.)
>The plane is covered with Stits cloth.
>My questions are: How long before I have to recover the plane?
>Should I buy a special tool to check the cloth condition?
>
>Bill Vincent
>Firestar II
>Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Winter Flying |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
I'am gonna get heck for this but Ralph has got a new woman, again!!!!!
this one seems to be a winner he claims... he does come up for air once a
week, usually on sat afternoon... that is when we had an ultralight flyin on
lake minnetonka this past saturday, there was a low ceiling most of the
morning and we were flying by 11:30 a.m. winds were light and by the end of
the day it was calm... only 3 planes showed up and one of them was a trike,
Dale and betty seitzer were nice enough to warm up some hot chili out on the
lake. we flew for the rest of the day skimming along the lake for 7 miles a
foot off the deck (you guys that have never tried this have no idea what
your missing) and we had a great time. Ralph and i then decided to fly to
lake waconia about 8 miles away where they were having their annual antique
snowmobile show (i'am into those by the way too and i have a real gem of a
sled) on the ice...there were over 500 antique sleds and about 4000 people
and i would rather see it from the air than on the ground and i could tell
those people were envy of us flying over the lake and seeing the sights...
lots of fisherman and fisher ladies too, all in all it was a great day. I
can't say enough about how much i like my full enclosure and to the many
thanks who sent me pics and ideas of their enclosures. now all i have to do
is port my static lines out the side because my indicated speed went up 15
mph.
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
do not archive
John Hauck wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>
> > Where is Ralph Burlingame, Been Flying this Winter ?
> Mike
>
> Mike/Gang:
>
> Ralph has not been up on the List in a good while
> now.
>
> Anybody out there seen Ralph lately?
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/5/03 18:16Paul Petty
> $7,995 F.O.B. Engine gauges, exhaust, and motor mount sold separately. OEM
> inquires are welcome.
>
> Additional option is an upgrade from analog engine gauges to a single
> multi-sensor digital gauge.
>
> Normal delivery 4-6 weeks post-order. Manufactured in the Czech Republic.
=======================
It never stops to amaze me how quickly greed overcomes reason. I can assure
anyone that would want to know that those engines leave the factory costing
a modest fraction of what is charged here. Of course the Czechs may have
cought up to the greed game, last time I was there everything was
inexpensive. No sooner they hit these shores and the scalpers get to work.
If its aviation then lets triple the profit. I would say buy a Jabi if you
are willing to fork over the listed price. Why no domestic manufacturer gets
into the act and sells those things for about 4K, which is about what they
are worth inclusive of a decent profit, is another of those elusives.
I would suggest that evryone should stop buying those over priced petrol
combusting jewels, and shop for the less expensive ones. I am still waiting
for a made in China airmotor.
Well sometimes you just gotta vent. :-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Ralph has a new woman AND chili on the ice? There I was startin to feel
sorry
for him. Flying on the flats sure is fun . ---soon to be, BB, mounting the
new carb.
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| Subject: | Instructor needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
Just had a call from a fellow in Charlotte, NC who is buying a Firestar and needs
instructions. Anyone around - within say 4 hrs - of Charlotte who can help
him?
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Fellow engine hunters,
Check this website for a great price on the Verner 133M:
http://www.ultrikes.com/index.htm
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
N49KK, Kolb Kolbra, Jabiru 2200, 182 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot/
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics in a Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Flycrazy8@aol.com
my kolb won't do aerobatics or fly over 1500 foot. Sumthing to do with the
hand on the stick.........LOL
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