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1. 04:20 AM - Re: Maiden Flight (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Engines (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: "penciled" and Captain Ron (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
4. 06:36 AM - Re: helmets (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
5. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800 (Kirk Smith)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: Verner Engines (Tiffany Pitra)
7. 08:09 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 (Hans vanAlphen)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: Re: "penciled" and Captain Ron message of Thu, 6 (CaptainRon)
9. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 (CaptainRon)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 (John Hauck)
11. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 (Richard Pike)
12. 09:24 AM - helmets (Bob Bean)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: helmets (Kirk Smith)
14. 11:07 AM - Re: helmets (John Hauck)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: helmets (ul15rhb@juno.com)
16. 02:55 PM - Re: helmets (Kirk Smith)
17. 03:23 PM - Re: Instructor needed (HShack@aol.com)
18. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800 (Fackler, Ken)
19. 03:41 PM - Re: helmets (Dallas Shepherd)
20. 04:17 PM - Re: helmets (John Hauck)
21. 04:19 PM - belt drives (Paul Petty)
22. 04:24 PM - Re: belt drives (HShack@aol.com)
23. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800 (Kirk Smith)
24. 05:48 PM - Re: helmets (Larry Bourne)
25. 06:42 PM - Re: helmets (Jack & Louise Hart)
26. 06:50 PM - Re: helmets (Gary robert voigt)
27. 07:14 PM - Re: Instructor needed (Peter Volum)
28. 07:29 PM - Re: helmets (Christopher Armstrong)
29. 08:03 PM - Re: helmets (John Hauck)
30. 08:11 PM - Re: helmets (John Hauck)
31. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 (Ken Korenek)
32. 08:16 PM - Re: helmets (Ken Korenek)
33. 08:32 PM - Re: helmets (John Hauck)
34. 09:01 PM - Re: helmets (Larry Bourne)
35. 09:01 PM - Re: helmets (Jack & Louise Hart)
36. 09:17 PM - Re: helmets (Bob Bean)
37. 09:22 PM - Re: helmets (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Maiden Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Ray , Congratulations on your planes first flight! Hope you have many
enjoyable years of flying it safely.
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Paul writes
>
> >>
>> Folks please don't forget that this is a experiment and I'm not
>> suggesting that
>> this will be a practical application on a Kolb airplane but who
>> knows? The big
>> bore,long stroke,high compression engine is not what most "aircraft"
>> engine
>> makers go for but hey, it is a kick in the pants don't you think?
>> Not to mention
>> a free country! God bless America!!!!!!!!!
>>
> Paul as you say, probably not the best engine suited for aircraft, but
imagine sitting in your back yard and hearing a "Harley" pass by overhead in
the sky.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: "penciled" and Captain Ron |
message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
No wonder they call you Captain Ron......sharp eyes, guy. Yep, I
used a pencil alright, but the wing was covered, ribs all riveted, and I
was in the process of installing finish tapes on the ribs and false
ribs. Poly brush already had been applied to seal the fabric weave.
The pencil was used lightly on the fabric to mark a starting point for
each finish tape. When applying the tapes, you can see right through
the wet polybrush and tape....making the pencil mark faintly visible.
When the tape was in the proper place, the pencil mark was at the very
end of the tape. I didn't use a sharpie or any felt-tips because of
bleed-through. One mist coat and two color coats of Glacier White
Polytone covered any evidence of marking. With the penciled mark being
trapped between the outside of the covering and the inside of the finish
tape and color coat, I doubt it would migrate to the rib underneath.
Doesn't a pencil used on aluminum tend to scratch the aluminum and leave
graphite behind in the "trench" ....that was my interpretation
anyway....but I been wrong before, just ask my wife.
Hillbilly Mike.....just pluggin' along and shovelin' snow
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message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are life
savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will tend
to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries like "not if but
when", ......takes the fun outta flyin' . My counter was....my head's
empty so therefore I'm starting lighter and the helmet only brings me up
to normal.
Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
Mike in WV
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Seems like I have seen where straps are attached to the helmet and the cage
for this situation. I believe it was in race cars. Snuffy
> Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
> and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are life
> savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
> neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
> Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will tend
> to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
> move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
> absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Verner Engines |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Tiffany Pitra <tif_qtra@yahoo.com>
CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon
2/5/03 18:16Paul Petty
> $7,995 F.O.B. Engine gauges, exhaust, and motor mount sold separately. OEM
> inquires are welcome.
>
> Additional option is an upgrade from analog engine gauges to a single
> multi-sensor digital gauge.
>
> Normal delivery 4-6 weeks post-order. Manufactured in the Czech Republic.
=======================
It never stops to amaze me how quickly greed overcomes reason. I can assure
anyone that would want to know that those engines leave the factory costing
a modest fraction of what is charged here. Of course the Czechs may have
cought up to the greed game, last time I was there everything was
inexpensive. No sooner they hit these shores and the scalpers get to work.
If its aviation then lets triple the profit. I would say buy a Jabi if you
are willing to fork over the listed price. Why no domestic manufacturer gets
into the act and sells those things for about 4K, which is about what they
are worth inclusive of a decent profit, is another of those elusives.
I would suggest that evryone should stop buying those over priced petrol
combusting jewels, and shop for the less expensive ones. I am still waiting
for a made in China airmotor.
Well sometimes you just gotta vent. :-)
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Try mcculloch 72hp 76lbs airdrone engines uncle sam paid boo koo $ .They go for
about 250-300 hrs before overhual.Ken brock manufactering in calif
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
> From: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> Subject: Kolb-List: CLARK HEADSET
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
<johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> Fellow flyers, i don't want this conversation to run on too long
> because i know there is lots of info in the archives but i just wish to
> know how many of you are using the clark headphones... i would like to
> spend about $250.00 - $300.00 for a good set, can you give me the model
> # you are using and how it performs. i'am not stuck on clark i just
> though the quality was there in that brand, so if you can recommend a
> better performing one please let me know.
>
> thanks,
> Gary r. voigt
> do not archive
Gary , take a look at the LIGHTSPEED SOLO headsets, excellent passive noise
reduction, no battery. $142 each at Aircraft Spruce. You don't need ANR with
these.
Excellent value and I am very happy with mine.
Hans van Alphen
Mark III Xtra
BMW powered
92 hours.
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| Subject: | Re: "penciled" and Captain Ron message of Thu, 6 |
Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 7:06Mike and Dixie Shackelford
> With the penciled mark being
> trapped between the outside of the covering and the inside of the finish
> tape and color coat, I doubt it would migrate to the rib underneath.
=====================
I think you are ok. From the above there is 0 risk of any cathodic anodic
reaction. Whenever I see pencil/aluminum on the same page, the trip wire
gets pulled, and the flare lights up. ;-)
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 7:36Mike and Dixie Shackelford
> Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
==============================
Kolb envy comes to mind! :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Gary , take a look at the LIGHTSPEED SOLO headsets, excellent passive noise
> reduction, no battery. $142 each at Aircraft Spruce.
> Hans van Alphen
Hans/Gang:
Tropic Aero has the same ones for $134.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I think the whole protection thing is a question of how far you want to go,
and what you are comfortable with.
When I was a kid, car seats and seat belts were unknown. Nobody had them,
period. Now they are mandatory to the point of where a woman was breast
feeding her baby while her hubby was driving the car, some bozo ran into
them, & killed the baby. And she is charged with manslaughter because she
was holding the kid instead of having it in the car seat. How times change.
We could all wear helmets when we fly our Cessna 152's and Cherokees. Or
when we drive our cars. Or when we.... whatever
I think the bottom line is how we fly, and what we plan for. There is a
local aviator who has what must be the original Maxair Drifter, it has a
worn out Kawasaki 440 on it, and (not surprisingly) he has had over 40 off
field forced landings it it. Never gotten a scratch. He expects his engine
to quit, and plans all his flights accordingly. He wears a helmet.
I expect my engine to run, and I fly from Kingsport to Chestnut Knolls to
the Kolb reunion over the worst territory imaginable. I don't wear a
helmet. Which one of us is dumber?
Wear you helmet if you want to. Or don't.
It's your airplane, fly it the way you are most comfortable.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 09:36 AM 2/7/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
>Shackelford)
>
> Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
>and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are life
>savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
>neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
>Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will tend
>to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
>move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
>absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries like "not if but
>when", ......takes the fun outta flyin' . My counter was....my head's
>empty so therefore I'm starting lighter and the helmet only brings me up
>to normal.
>
>Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
>
>Mike in WV
>
>do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
G'day all, my daughter got me one of those foam-filled sport helmets.
It's a liitle snug for my cranium but with a little scraping should fit.
I intend to wear it on my first voyage. -never can tell. After that no
more. Besides, my Telex won't fit with it on. -BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I'm 100% in favor of helmets worn for motorcycle riding. Personal
experience taught me that. The likelyhood of a persons head impacting
something in a motorcycle wreck is very high. In an airplane crash the most
likely impact would be the head hitting the structure of the plane. In a
Kolb, the most likely crash scenario would be nose into the ground. The head
would first be thrown forward then back. In a 4 point harness, the forward
motion would be pretty much limited to the head impacting with the chest.
The rebound could cause the head to impact the cage. I think some type of
cushioning behind and on either side of the head would be more useful than a
helmet. Snuffy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> I'm 100% in favor of helmets worn for motorcycle riding.
Snuffy
Snuf/Gang:
Have to agree with the Preacher, Richard Pike, on
this one. I feel it should be an individual
call. Same same motorcyles. Same same seat
belts. Same same parachutes.
If you/me/we make the wrong call and we don't take
someone with us, we are big boys and girls and can
take the results.
There is a little more to crashes than whiplash to
consider. Primarily, trees, limbs, stumps, rocks,
houses, etc., coming into the cockpit.
Dallas Sheppard would be a good guy to get an
opinion from. He just went through a crash.
Been a long time since I have done one, so the
circumstances are not nearly as vivid today as
they were 11 years ago. I still do not wear a
helmet in civilian aircraft. However, you could
not pay me to fly an Army helicopter without my
SPH3 or SPH4 helmet securely cinched to my
noggin. Go figure.
My son pesters me about helmets and flying. Uses
the example of our motorcycles and helmets.
Neither of us would ride without one. I took a
look at GENTEX, the folks that make the Army's
helmets. I get the same gut reaction when I look
at them as some of you all do when you look at the
cost of a new BRS for your MK III. Later.
However, that "later" is not going to help me if
it ain't on top of my head when I need it.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Guys,
It appears to me once the cockpit becomes enclosed, helmets become
obsolete. I was once taking a ride in an RV-4 and going through some
exhilarating aerobatics when I realized that my face was inches away from
the instrument panel and should there be a sudden deceleration in forces,
my face would be into it. Gary Voigt just completed his full enclosure
and it's too tight to wear a helmet inside. I can understand this, but is
it safer?
Motorcycle riders have had this debate many times over. Minnesota once
required helmets be worn, and the law was repealed. It's a personal
choice, although if we are caught without wearing a seat belt in this
state, they can fine you.
I have been wearing a full-face helmet for 16 years and would feel naked
without it. It keeps the wind out of my eyes, helps reduce noise, and
keeps my head warm. I imagine if I stopped wearing it, a few years from
now I might think it was odd to wear it again. I notice in aviation, like
a lot of other things, tradition becomes the norm. Private, corporate,
and commercial aviation pilots don't wear helmets, why should we?
We had a ppc pilot die last summer when his canopy collapsed after flying
it around with the lines entangled over the top. Dumb move on his part.
He was a smart guy (engineer), we will never know why he did that. When
the cart crashed, a tube impaled the side of his cheek. He was killed
instantly while wearing a helmet. A full-face helmet might have deflected
the tube. Who knows .....
Ralph
Original Firestar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
There is a little more to crashes than whiplash to
> consider. Primarily, trees, limbs, stumps, rocks,
> houses, etc., coming into the cockpit.
You forgot ducks John. ;o) Good point though! You can have all the
proper gear and still get popped. Had a friend that had his steel pot on and
still took a AK47 round in the face. When it's your time your gonna go.
:-( Snuf
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| Subject: | Re: Instructor needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 2/5/03 9:52:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
flykolb@carolina.rr.com writes:
> Just had a call from a fellow in Charlotte, NC who is buying a Firestar and
> needs instructions. Anyone around - within say 4 hrs - of Charlotte who can
> help him?
>
> Jim
> Mark III
> Charlotte, NC
>
>
>
Jim, check our website at www.trentonflyers.com; click on "instruction".
Mike Herlihey is a good USAA instructor & very active.
Howard Shackleford
SC
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
The thing about this "argument" that I don't understand is the idea that
inertia only applies in airplane crashes. The same reasoning would apply in
a motorcyle accident. And, in my not so humble opinion, said argument is as
fallacious in both.
No flaming intended. You did ask for opinions, right? ;-)
-Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
Shackelford)
>
> Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
> and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are life
> savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
> neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
> Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will tend
> to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
> move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
> absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries like "not if but
> when", ......takes the fun outta flyin' . My counter was....my head's
> empty so therefore I'm starting lighter and the helmet only brings me up
> to normal.
>
> Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
>
> Mike in WV
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" <cen23954@centurytel.net>
Okay John, here it goes. I do not wear a helmet while flying and in =0D
the crash the plane came straight down through the trees and crashed=0D
slightly inverted enough that the enclosure shattered in on us and the nose =0D
cone shattered into pieces. The panel broke loose and smashed my=0D
hand that was on the stick and its still sore, but didn't break. We had=0D
over the one shoulder belts with the seat belt and both of us were =0D
hanging from them after things got still. The enclosure coming in=0D
mostly on my side let my face smash the ground with the lexan =0D
between my face and the ground. This smashed my glasses and =0D
caused cuts on my face around my nose. My grandson was unhurt and =0D
no bings on the head and he crawled out a small opening on his side=0D
of the plane. He did not complain of any hurt later either. The only=0D
part of my head that got hurt was from the glasses although I was =0D
stunned for awhile and had trouble getting out of my seat belt while=0D
hanging with all my weight on it. Also was trying to find the switch=0D
to shut off the power, but it had broken off from the panel and was =0D
under everything. Our seat belts held fast to the frame and kept us=0D
from the second crash except for the face smack. I have back problems=0D
and just had an operation earlier in the year on it and it shook that =0D
up pretty good. This is two months later and I'm back to doing my =0D
exercise routine, but with lighter resistance at this time, but I am also=0D
70 years old and on the very steep part of the down hill. I intend to =0D
fly again, but I still will not wear a helmet. I did when I had my motor=0D
cycle and the Weedhopper, but didn't wear one flying GA planes.=0D
I have sold my engine and the rest of the remains and will not =0D
be rebuilding a two seater. I am looking for a Firefly , or something of=0D
that nature. I want to limit my exposure to the FAA, NTBS. I had =0D
extensive interviews with the Sheriff, the State Patrol, who came to=0D
my house and got me on a phone hookup to the FAA in Jonesboro,=0D
and Little Rock with every question known to man. A few weeks =0D
later an FAA guy came from Little Rock and questioned me for one=0D
and a half hours while looking over my plane and every paper I=0D
had since the day I finished building it. I thought it was over when=0D
he left. Yesterday I got a phone call from The National Transportation=0D
Board and spent nearly 45 minutes on the phone answering his =0D
questions. I ask him what happen to all the other reports I was in=0D
on and he said, "they didn't get the pilots report paper". I told him=0D
I was the pilot that answered all the questions and I believed that=0D
was a pilot report! Well, we went through that. The bottom line is,=0D
in this situation a helmet wouldn't have helped me. When I went to=0D
get my glasses fixed the guy asked me what I hit them with. I told=0D
him an airplane! Had to explain that one to him. Aero News got=0D
hold of the FAA report and it was wrong. Said it was a maiden=0D
flight with a passenger. I started flying that plane in 1996. So much=0D
for reports.=0D
Dallas Shepherd=0D
Kolbless=0D
Do not archive=0D
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-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: kolb-list@matronics.com=0D
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: helmets=0D
=0D
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>=0D
=0D
=0D
> I'm 100% in favor of helmets worn for motorcycle riding. =0D
Snuffy=0D
=0D
Snuf/Gang:=0D
=0D
Have to agree with the Preacher, Richard Pike, on=0D
this one. I feel it should be an individual=0D
call. Same same motorcyles. Same same seat=0D
belts. Same same parachutes.=0D
=0D
If you/me/we make the wrong call and we don't take=0D
someone with us, we are big boys and girls and can=0D
take the results.=0D
=0D
There is a little more to crashes than whiplash to=0D
consider. Primarily, trees, limbs, stumps, rocks,=0D
houses, etc., coming into the cockpit.=0D
=0D
Dallas Sheppard would be a good guy to get an=0D
opinion from. He just went through a crash. =0D
=0D
Been a long time since I have done one, so the=0D
circumstances are not nearly as vivid today as=0D
they were 11 years ago. I still do not wear a=0D
helmet in civilian aircraft. However, you could=0D
not pay me to fly an Army helicopter without my=0D
SPH3 or SPH4 helmet securely cinched to my=0D
noggin. Go figure.=0D
=0D
My son pesters me about helmets and flying. Uses=0D
the example of our motorcycles and helmets. =0D
Neither of us would ride without one. I took a=0D
look at GENTEX, the folks that make the Army's=0D
helmets. I get the same gut reaction when I look=0D
at them as some of you all do when you look at the=0D
cost of a new BRS for your MK III. Later. =0D
However, that "later" is not going to help me if=0D
it ain't on top of my head when I need it.=0D
=0D
Take care,=0D
=0D
john h=0D
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=2E
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> The enclosure coming in
> mostly on my side let my face smash the ground with the lexan
> between my face and the ground.
> Dallas Shepherd
Dallas/Gang:
Thanks for sharing.
The Mark III windshield is 1/8 inch thick. It
provides a lot of protection for the pilot and
passenger. Keeps those limbs from coming inside
the cockpit as the aircraft goes through the
trees.
I know of several occassions where the windshield
has saved pilots from injury in Kolbs. My buddy
Bill Griffin, would have risked decapitation by
barbed wire, had he not had the lexan windshield
on his Firestar. I came through hardwood trees
with my Firestar and the windshield deflected the
limbs away from me. Went through a red oak tree
with the Mark III and the windshield remained
intact and protected me and my passenger from the
limbs, big ones, and injury.
Others have not been so lucky. Have ended up with
severe head injuries or worse................ Had
they had on helmets they may have survived, but as
Snuffy said, "It musta been their time to go."
I don't want anyone telling me what I can or can't
do or that I have to wear this or that. I'll make
that decision and be responsible for the outcome.
john h
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SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, USER_IN_WHITELIST)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Does anyone know a source for belt redrives like the ones used on the Verner 1400?
pp....
N4958P
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
Check this out; they have a belt redrive for VW engines; may be able to
adapt to Verner.
http://www.hoverhawk.com/pwrtrans.html
Shack
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
-0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Ken,
Don't think it's so much about the inertia as it's about the disipation of
inertia. How ya comin on the gear legs? Runway is clear and hard as a rock
from the cold temps. Come on up and disipate some inertia on those gear legs
heh? Watch out those *&%$)*$#@ Turkeys, they're still hangin around.
Thought the coyotes would have thinned them out by now.
> The thing about this "argument" that I don't understand is the idea that
> inertia only applies in airplane crashes. The same reasoning would apply
in
> a motorcyle accident. And, in my not so humble opinion, said argument is
as
> fallacious in both.
>
> No flaming intended. You did ask for opinions, right? ;-)
>
> -Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> Shackelford)
> >
> > Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
> > and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are life
> > savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
> > neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
> > Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will tend
> > to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
> > move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
> > absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries like "not if but
> > when", ......takes the fun outta flyin' . My counter was....my head's
> > empty so therefore I'm starting lighter and the helmet only brings me up
> > to normal.
> >
> > Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
> >
> > Mike in WV
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hear ! ! ! Hear ! ! ! Right on the money, John. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> >
> I don't want anyone telling me what I can or can't
> do or that I have to wear this or that. I'll make
> that decision and be responsible for the outcome.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
When you fly with your head out, a nat can almost bring you down.
I started flying the FireFly with a full face motorcycle helmet and a short windshield.
I experienced tunnel vision with the motorcycle helmet and so I had
to turn my head far to the side to check for other traffic in pattern etc. When
I did this, I found it difficult to get my head turned back a round to the
front again. Also, if I flew faster than 55 mphi the profile drag strained my
front neck muscles. I converted to a soft flying helmet and goggles, so that
I could use a headset and listen to the radio. I have better peripheral vision
with the goggles than with the motorcycle helmet, but not as good as with
out goggles. The soft helmet presents less cross-section and this lowers the
drag, and it is much easier on the neck muscles.
Early on if I would be flying close around the airport, I would fly without the
goggles, because I thought it gave me better chance of picking up incoming traffic.
But one day that all changed. I was taking off and the FireFly was about
twenty feet off the ground, when I flew through a cloud of nats. One hit
the bottom edge of my eye glasses. Most of him stayed there, but his wing flipped
up and logged in my eye. The initial reaction is to blink, and that is when
the pain started, and the tears started running. I dropped the nose a little,
and kept going. The other eye teared up too, and so all I could see was
a blurry horizon. I kept blinking, smarting and tearing until the wing moved
out of my eye, and my vision cleared. By this time, I was at 1,200 agl. Since
then, I always fly with goggles.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Do not archive
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
ok, it sounds like we are going to get as many responses as people on
the list about this helmet thing so here is mine. as Ralph just said i have
completed my full enclosure and like it very much... however i could not get
my full face helmet on without it hitting the top of my windshield, thats ok
because the only reason i wore it was to keep the wind out of my face and
peace of mind and maybe reduce sound...now that i have flown without it i
will probably never go back to it unless i decide to take the full enclosure
off again. the one advantage i noticed right away was my peripheral vision
was about 179 degrees as opposed to 100 degrees with it on...you see i had
full face simpson helmet on that gave me tunnel vision and i really had to
strain my neck and keep scanning the skies for other planes, now all i do is
just move my head a little and let my eyes do the rest. i also can turn in
my seat and view my gas tank which i could never have done this before......
to me it's a percentage thing, if i put it down someplace i will have wished
i had a helmet on...
a very small %...i would like to think i'am flying safer in the skies now
that my vision and awareness has improved.
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Hear ! ! ! Hear ! ! ! Right on the money, John. Lar.
> Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> > >
> > I don't want anyone telling me what I can or can't
> > do or that I have to wear this or that. I'll make
> > that decision and be responsible for the outcome.
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Instructor needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
EAA members can access the EAA instructor database at:
http://www.eaa.org/ultralights/directory/lookup.html
Here are the names that appear under Charlotte.
Charlote
Gregg
Brozo
ASC
BFI
ppw
704-948-0540
Charlotte
Gary
Williams
ASC
BFI
pws
704-752-5863
Peter
flykolb@carolina.rr.com writes:
> Just had a call from a fellow in Charlotte, NC who is buying a
Firestar and
> needs instructions. Anyone around - within say 4 hrs - of Charlotte
who can
> help him?
>
> Jim
> Mark III
> Charlotte, NC
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
I feel it should be an individual
call. Same same motorcyles. Same same seat
belts. Same same parachutes.
If you/me/we make the wrong call and we don't take
someone with us, we are big boys and girls and can
take the results.
I sort of agree with the everybody do what ya want thing except for the
problem with costs. See when ya get all crunched in a crash, cycle car
plane, seatbelts or not, helmets or not, we your fellow health insurance
policy holders pay for your healthcare. that's the point of insurance,
share the burden so when your number comes up you can afford to get better.
Now if lots of folks make choices that result in otherwise unnecessary costs
(smoking, obesity come to mind as well as seat belts drunk driving, no
helmets, flying hobbyist built aircraft, pick your vice) it screws the whole
system, and we end up with runaway health care costs.
trying to predict ahead of time weather a helmet is going to be of help in
the future unknown type of crash you may have... even based on personal
experience of past crashes is folly. I can tell you that having the helmet
on will always protect your head in a crash better then not having a helmet.
the sudden stop does thrash the head and the helmet will make that worse in
some cases. you want a sore neck or a squashed head? I don't find that a
difficult choice to make. in fighter jets and all auto racing, even in cars
with roll cages that make our Kolb frames look like tissue paper, and speeds
where head decelerations are 10 times greater then anything you could see in
a Kolb they where helmets. if you don't want to wear one cause they are
uncomfortable/inconvenient, don't( I don't in most airplanes but always on
my cycle, and will wear a light one in my Kolb, if I can get it done before
I die) , but don't try to justify that it is safer, there is no possibility
that that is true. I have seen pictures of crashed Kolbs with the rudder
pedals pushed up where the guys head is. Now you're going to be in tuff
shape after a crash like that, but your going to be better off if the rudder
pedals bounced off your helmet instead of penetrating your skull.
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> the one advantage i noticed right away was my peripheral vision
> was about 179 degrees as opposed to 100 degrees with it on...you see i had
> full face simpson helmet on that gave me tunnel vision and i really had to
> strain my neck and keep scanning the skies for other planes, now all i do is
> just move my head a little and let my eyes do the rest.
Gary
Gary/Gang:
After staying off dirt bikes for 35 years, I
quickly found out that the new full face MX
helmets severely restricted my periphral vision.
Even more so than the old Bell 500 open face
helmet I last wore.
I did fly with a BMW full face helmet when I built
the Ultrastar. And, I really do not remember
losing periphral vision, but I a sure I did.
When I went to the Firestar, with windshield, I
went to the David Clark cloth helmet. But, the
wind and sun took its toll on my nose and exposed
skin of my forehead. To remedy that, I put a
lexan fairing on the windshield to kick the air up
and over my head. It worked. In addition, it
also increased cruise a couple knots too. I was
then able to wear a baseball cap and my regular
glasses to fly. No need for the goggles that fit
over the glasses anymore. The brim of the
baseball cap helped keep the sun out of my eyes
and the fairing kept the wind off my nose and
forehead.
Nowdays, I fly in the comfort of my enclosed
cockpit. It is comfortable and a lot less
tiring. I do not miss the wind beating the crap
out of me. It is easier to stay warm in the
winter, dry in the summer. If I get too hot I
climb for cooler air at altitude.
Now if I could get rid of the majority of that
damn prop noise...........
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
Topher/Gang:
Since you quoted my post, I feel like I need to
respond to yours.
> but don't try to justify that it is safer, there is no possibility
> that that is true.
> Topher
I agree with the above whole heartedly.
I didn't try to say it was safer without a helmet
and I didn't say I could foresee a future accident
coming.
However, I will agree with Gary and say I can see
a lot better without a full face helmet. Wearing
an aviation designed helmet like the SPH4 does
little to restrict periphral vision. Motorcycle
full face helmets are very restrictive.
In fact, every crash I have ever experienced came
as a complete surprise to me. :-)
Was wondering if you wear your helmet in your
automobile? hehehe
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken Korenek <ken-foi@attbi.com>
Hans vanAlphen wrote:
> Gary , take a look at the LIGHTSPEED SOLO headsets, excellent passive noise
> reduction, no battery. $142 each at Aircraft Spruce. You don't need ANR with
> these.
> Excellent value and I am very happy with mine.
>
> Hans van Alphen
> Mark III Xtra
> BMW powered
> 92 hours.
I recommend that you spend an extra $100 or so and get the Lightspeed QFR Cross
Country (about $250 direct from Lightspeed). They are ANR and yes you do
benefit from ANR over passive headsets. Those who say that there is little
difference either have never used ANR or their hearing is so shot it makes
little difference to them.
Check with Lightspeed (800-332-2421) and see if they have a refurbished set for
sale. My refurbished set cost $210 with shipping and has a 2 yr. warranty.
John Williamson borrowed mine and liked them so much, got a set of his own.
I've had it both ways with my FS II and now when my batteries go out and the ANR
quits working, it is pure misery until I get a fresh set of batteries in.
Batteries last about 25 hrs- I change plugs in the engine and headset batteries
on the same schedule...
ANR is worth every penny you pay for it- and you'll be able to hear your old
lady well into your senior years...
Been there, had it both ways and as you can tell, I have a strong opinion about
the subject. Just don't get me started on the helmet thing...
Ken
--
Do Not Archive
*********************
Ken W. Korenek
4906 Oak Springs Drive
Arlington, Texas 76016
817-572-6832 voice
817-572-6842 fax
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
ken-foi@attbi.com
Kolb FireStar II, "My Mistress"
Rotax 503, Oil Injected
3 Blade Powerfin
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot/TX_files/image019.jpg
Six Chuter SR7-XL "Red Baron"
Powered Parachute
Rotax 582, Oil Injected
3 Blade PowerFin
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot/TX_files/image021.jpg
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken Korenek <ken-foi@attbi.com>
John Hauck wrote:
Now if I could get rid of the majority of that damn prop noise...........
ANR Headsets!!
Don't think I want to sign my name to this one!!
--
Do Not Archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> ANR Headsets!!
Ken/Gang:
I think I posted recently that I bought a pair of
Litespeed 20XL a couple years ago. Problem with
terrible feedback anything above mag check power
settings. I liked them and they performed well
until I went full power.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
The point I think John was making, and what I so enthusiastically agreed
with, is the idea that our society has gone totally beyond reason in
regulating everything short of pis.........uh.........spitting into the
wind. (and probably that, too) When I bought my new computer, there was
(is - mostly unread) a separate booklet over and above the instructions,
cautioning about everything under the sun. Same with the camera. Hey,
Ma..............I know that if I drop it on my toe, it'll probably hurt;
and no, I won't sue Sony, or Nikon. If I touch a bare wire, I'll probably
get a shock, and that, too, will hurt..........or worse............and no, I
won't sue anybody over that, either. I know that if I stand on the very top
step of a stepladder, I'll probably fall, and certainly hurt myself. The
higher the ladder, the more likely for both. On and on, ad nauseaum.
Expanding a bit, a Kolb is not a motorcycle. If you ride a motorcycle
without a fairing or face protection, you're going to eat bugs, and some
will hurt. (Try a large flying beetle in the face at 70 mph, one time) Ask
me how I know - I'm lucky I didn't lose an eye, over 40 years ago. Same
same a windshield-less airplane. Crash a motorcycle, and you WILL cartwheel
down the highway, with your head right out there. Crash a Kolb, and you've
got MUCH more protection. There comes a point where I feel you should make
your own decision about what's right and proper - for YOU..............not
everybody else. Nobody is going to agree with everybody else, and not
everyone will agree with you, so that decision should be yours & yours
alone. To try and avoid any and all injury or discomfort is impossible, so
let's get back to reality, and go enjoy our airplanes, motorcycles, etc. If
you want to wear a helmet, do so. If you don't, don't. Flame Away.
Big Bad Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 10:31 PM 2/7/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
>
>
>> ANR Headsets!!
>
>Ken/Gang:
>
>I think I posted recently that I bought a pair of
>Litespeed 20XL a couple years ago. Problem with
>terrible feedback anything above mag check power
>settings. I liked them and they performed well
>until I went full power.
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
John,
I had a similar problem with my Litespeed 20XL head set. I called Litespeed, and
they admitted that they had a shielding problem. I was given a choice of sending
the headset in for an upgrade or they would send me the upgrade and instructions
of how to install it. I didn't want to be without the headset. The
upgrade change over was quite simple. And, all the feedback problems went away.
Give them a call, and get your head set upgraded.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>
>
>
>Was wondering if you wear your helmet in your
>automobile? hehehe
>
>john h
>
>
Compared to driving on an icy two-lane highway with oncoming traffic
a door handle away, flying a Kolb is downright relaxation. -BB
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
My .02 worth,
Personally I do not like to wear helmets in or on anything and I believe it
should be an individual choice.
That being said, I do wear them on bikes and in the Kolb. Here is why:
1) Being from the gambling state of Nevada, I may play the games, but I like
to play with the odds in my favor whenever possible and to the greatest
extent reasonably possible. If I can hedge my bet, I will.
2) The statistical odds of needing a helmet in a general aviation, certified
and unmodified aircraft is far less than it is in the "slightly modified"
aerocreatures we tend to play in.
3) I have bounced my brain case hard enough to crack a couple of helmets and
I am glad it was the helmet that was tossed in the trash instead of what was
left of my scrambled brain. As my father-in-law once told me "I've done it
(crashed) with em and I've done it without em. If I do it again, I perfer to
do it with em".
4) I have over 20 years of clinical experience trying to put back together
those who have not been as lucky as we all hope we will be when bad things
happen to good people. A typical example is one of my current patients
(male, 22 years old) who is now a brain damaged quad. He now has approx. 55
years of life remaining that he will spend flat on his back, unable to move a
muscle or do so much as scratch an itch or ask for a change of his diaper.
Because he can no longer chew or swallow, all his food must be liquefied and
pushed through a tube installed in his stomach. The only injury he sustained
was a very small hole punched in the side of his head by some unknown object
that was either a part of the cockpit or that was being thrown around the
cockpit during his life changing event.
5) Whiplash is easier to fix than brain injuries.
While I appreciate and accept the concept that "when it is your time to go
..." and I have no fear of or illusions about the inevitable end result our
journey, my life's experiences have made clear to me that there are
situations far far worse than death and we are very very fragile creatures.
Gentlemen, do as you see fit, but please spend a day with someone like my
friend/patient before you make your decision (it may give you a new
perspective and I can guarantee that the poor unfortunate fellow will
appreciate the diversion).
Steve
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