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1. 05:12 AM - Re: helmets (Ted Cowan)
2. 05:17 AM - Helmets (Kirk Smith)
3. 05:45 AM - Passenger safety (Fackler, Ken)
4. 05:51 AM - Helmets, round two (Fackler, Ken)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Passenger safety (John Hauck)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: helmets (GeoR38@aol.com)
7. 06:31 AM - Helmets (Ed Steuber)
8. 06:49 AM - helmets and inputs (dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford))
9. 06:55 AM - Rivets per rib on leading edge (RWilliJill@aol.com)
10. 07:10 AM - Ultra Light Vehicle Speed (Jack & Louise Hart)
11. 08:44 AM - Re: Maiden Flight (BILLIE FUTRELL)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Helmets (Christopher Armstrong)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: helmets (CaptainRon)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: helmets (CaptainRon)
15. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 (CaptainRon)
16. 10:05 AM - Helmets (Lawrence M. Rice)
17. 10:07 AM - Re: helmets (CaptainRon)
18. 10:15 AM - inboard rib steel ring drilling (RWilliJill@aol.com)
19. 10:20 AM - Re: Helmets, round two (CaptainRon)
20. 10:24 AM - Re: helmets (Jack & Louise Hart)
21. 10:44 AM - Re: helmets and inputsmessage of Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:56:15 (John Hauck)
22. 11:53 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 37 Msgs - 02/07/03 (Blane Cox)
23. 12:28 PM - Address Change John Hauck (John Hauck)
24. 12:33 PM - Re: Helmets (Kirk Smith)
25. 12:33 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 ()
26. 12:33 PM - headsets ()
27. 12:41 PM - weights ()
28. 01:36 PM - Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling (John Cooley)
29. 02:24 PM - Re: Rivets per rib on leading edge (Jim Ballenger)
30. 02:27 PM - Re: weights (Bob Bean)
31. 02:35 PM - Re: Helmets, round two (Woody Sulloway)
32. 03:01 PM - Re: Helmets, round two (John Hauck)
33. 03:51 PM - Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling (RWilliJill@aol.com)
34. 04:33 PM - Today... (Peter Volum)
35. 05:11 PM - Helmets (Paul Petty)
36. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: battery - snow ski (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
37. 05:22 PM - Re: Today... (T. K. Frantz)
38. 06:41 PM - Engine location (Bill Vincent)
39. 06:57 PM - Re: Today... (Larry Bourne)
40. 10:18 PM - Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling (Don Gherardini)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ted Cowan" <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
well, will put my two cents worth. I had a good friend who had a heart
attack at 1400 ft ag in a firestar. went through a grove of hardwood. to
make a story short, he suffered injuries to his feet, of course, but the
worse was a limb of a tree hit him on the upper left side of his head. the
headset he was wearing cut the top of his ear off and the limb hit him on
the frontal lobe. bad news. long and short time memory loss. really bad.
he finally had a fatal attack and died. talk about changing your life.
word is, if he were wearing the helmet that he had available, he would have
suffered no head injuries at all I believe and would just have healed up his
feet and been on with his life. life is short and it can change in a
heartbeat. your choice. doesnt take much of a tunk to take out your
ability to control your body. I wear a military chopper type and will
always wear one. dont want to spend the rest of my life looking up at the
ceiling. my choice. by the way, my brain bucket saved my life in a motor
scooter flip flop in LA, Calif. back in the 70s. love my little helmets,
especially the wonderful face shield the government provided on the helmets.
nothing but the best for our troops, right. ted cowan, alabama.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
An interesting point that was brought up was the issue of peripheral vision when
wearing a helmet. One of the reasons I never wore a full face helmet while riding
my Goldwing was it limited my peripheral vision.. However, when I had my
wreck I leaped from bike so as not to be eaten by it. ( I was in a midwest cornfield
by then) I didn't have a full face helmet and my face struck the ground
coldcocking me for over half an hour. Was digging sand out of my teeth for a
week afterward. :o) A full face helmet would have prevented that. But I also
know guys that have been blind sided by cars when better peripheral vision may
have prevented it. ???????? At any rate it's been a good discussion on the
pros and cons of helmets. Lots of good points being made. Snuffy
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| Subject: | Passenger safety |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
While I support, wholeheartedly, the idea that motorcyle riders, ultralight
pilots, et al, should wear or not wear helmets based on personal assessment
of risk, and especially that we are then responsible for ourselves, I think
there's one element missing.
What should the decision be for a non-knowledgeable passenger? Though I have
a two-seater, I have no intention of flying anyone else. As far as I'm
concerned, that seat is a storage area for maps, phone, lunch, fuel,
whatever.
But if a two-seat owner were to fly a passenger and that passenger did not
have the knowledge of risks, airplane construction, etc., that we
are -presumed- to have, what "protection" should you offer that passenger?
Certainly you wouldn't allow the person to fly without the safety harness.
Is it safer for him/her to fly with a helmet, or not? I don't know the
answer, I'm not an engineer of any type nor a scientist who would have real
knowledge of this topic. Helmet manufacturers will no doubt say yes. What
does Kolb say about this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: helmets
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> The point I think John was making, and what I so enthusiastically agreed
> with, is the idea that our society has gone totally beyond reason in
> regulating everything short of pis.........uh.........spitting into the
> wind. (and probably that, too) When I bought my new computer, there was
> (is - mostly unread) a separate booklet over and above the instructions,
> cautioning about everything under the sun. Same with the camera. Hey,
> Ma..............I know that if I drop it on my toe, it'll probably hurt;
> and no, I won't sue Sony, or Nikon. If I touch a bare wire, I'll probably
> get a shock, and that, too, will hurt..........or worse............and no,
I
> won't sue anybody over that, either. I know that if I stand on the very
top
> step of a stepladder, I'll probably fall, and certainly hurt myself. The
> higher the ladder, the more likely for both. On and on, ad nauseaum.
> Expanding a bit, a Kolb is not a motorcycle. If you ride a motorcycle
> without a fairing or face protection, you're going to eat bugs, and some
> will hurt. (Try a large flying beetle in the face at 70 mph, one time)
Ask
> me how I know - I'm lucky I didn't lose an eye, over 40 years ago. Same
> same a windshield-less airplane. Crash a motorcycle, and you WILL
cartwheel
> down the highway, with your head right out there. Crash a Kolb, and
you've
> got MUCH more protection. There comes a point where I feel you should
make
> your own decision about what's right and proper - for YOU..............not
> everybody else. Nobody is going to agree with everybody else, and not
> everyone will agree with you, so that decision should be yours & yours
> alone. To try and avoid any and all injury or discomfort is impossible,
so
> let's get back to reality, and go enjoy our airplanes, motorcycles, etc.
If
> you want to wear a helmet, do so. If you don't, don't. Flame Away.
> Big Bad Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Helmets, round two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
All right, now that the should I or shouldn't I debate has, perhaps, begun
to abate, let's go to the next level.
Assuming that a person decided to USE a helmet, what's the best one? [evil
grin]
Seriously, I'd like to hear from those of you who own helmets why you chose
or keep the one you have.
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / 503
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Passenger safety |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> What should the decision be for a non-knowledgeable passenger? Ken
Ken/Gang:
That is a decision that has to be made by the
pilot in command and the passenger that wants to
fly.
I personally do not see much difference in
crashing the family car and crashing the family
Kolb. You are strapped into both of the
vehicles. Got a steel cage around you. Who knows
what the chances are in having something ding your
gourd without a helmet or having your neck snap
because of the added weight of the helmet?
Again, it is a personal call as far as I am
concerned. I do not fly many passengers in my
airplane. But when I do, I try and remind them
that they are getting into an experimental
homebuilt aircraft. That it is their decision.
Then I have liability insurance to back me up.
:-)
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 2/7/03 10:30:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen33475@centurytel.net writes:
> Now you're going to be in tuff
> shape after a crash like that, but your going to be better off if the
> rudder
> pedals bounced off your helmet instead of penetrating your skull.
>
> Topher
>
but then again, that type of accident it totally unpredictable, isn't it?
My stint in Mexico where no one had it, yeilded this result on "insurance".
Why pay someone, betting that you are going to die?.....so....there ya
go...the OTHER side of the story.
George RAndolph
Firestar driver in Akron, Oh
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
All you guys looking for a bargain in a light weight helmet up to Mil Spec for
aircraft carrier flight deck use just type in "flight deck helmet" on E-Bay.(
the old type ). You can get the goggles included sometimes for you "out there"
types and they usually go for about $50 or under in almost new shape.... I have
been using them for my Ultrastar and are David Clark Headset compatible if
you want to add the earphones and mic later.....used them in the Marine Corps
in VN "a few years ago " when I had hair........very good in hot weather because
they are light and more air circulation but not as good for protection in a
crash... an alternative
Alpha Mike Foxtrot... Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | helmets and inputs |
message of Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:56:15 -0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie Shackelford)
You know, I agree with every single response to my post about
helmets. Each one was right on the money. How we anticipate and
prepare for the risks we take on a daily basis is an individual
thing.....and should be.
Like Lar, I was out for a spin on the Harley several years back
(wearing a helmet) and got smacked with a hornet dead-center, forehead.
Well, it proceeded to crawl up under the front of my helmet, stinging as
it went......If I hadn't had a helmet on, I probably wouldn't have been
stung. Had a yellowjacket sting me under the right arm on climbout in
the C-150 once too......no helmet this time. Both were bee
stings....one with a helmet. One without.
Would I ride a bike without a helmet? NO WAY!! Would I take the C-150
up without a helmet? Always!
The response that hit home was Dallas Shepherd, not about
helmets, but about the impact of rules and regs on our lives and
freedoms. I could list my grievances with Bush and the Wild Bunch, but
this ain't the place.
What I meant was, Dallas will move from a registered aircraft to an
unregistered Firefly to avoid the hassles of beaurocracy. I chose NOT
to register my FS for that very reason. My farm will be home base, my
flights will be mostly local with visits to private fields and strictly
for the pleasure that flying yields. My FS meets the "regs" except for
weight....and if you really want to get technical, we all can violate
the top speed limitation of 63 mph with our Kolbs, so which is the
greater violation? I have a private ticket, tailwheel endorsement, the
FSII has only one seat, 5 gallons of fuel, a BRS chute for me AND anyone
affected on the ground should that become an issue, so how critical is
the 100 extra pounds? To who? For what reason? If I were to license
my FS it would be perfectly legal, regardless of that 100 pounds.
The definition for the word license is "......Permission for a fee to do
something that otherwise would be illegal." THERE's the real problem.
Outlaw Mike in WV
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| Subject: | Rivets per rib on leading edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
Gentlemen
Question -- How many rivets are installed in the "v" shaped tabs in the
leading and trailing edge spars? My plans and my book have conflicting info.
It seems to be one per tab for the rear spar but I'm not sure about the
front. There's a side view of the outboard rib on sheet 18 of my firestar II
plans that shows two per tab. This particular view is for the wing rib
reinforcement for the outboard ribs showing the placement of the aluminum
angle. Just wondering if the outboard ribs are the only ones that might need
two rivets per tab on the ribs to the leading edge. BTW, this reinforcement
is an
option but I want to be sure I have the correct number for the rest of the
ribs. Sorry for the length of this but it takes me a while to explain.
Ron Williams
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| Subject: | Ultra Light Vehicle Speed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
> My FS meets the "regs" except for
>weight....and if you really want to get technical, we all can violate
>the top speed limitation of 63 mph with our Kolbs, so which is the
>greater violation?
Outlaw,
If you can meet all the design criteria in AC 103-7 Appendix 1, 2, 3 & 4, it is
legal to fly an ultra light vehicle faster than 63 mph. That is one of the
interesting and fun things about 103, is how to stay with in the regs and try
to turn an ultra light vehicle from a pea patch puddle jumper into a cross country
crusing machine.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Maiden Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BILLIE FUTRELL <bill-jo@prodigy.net>
Wat to go Ray,I know how you feel because I have been there. I am in Fla now
so give me a call. My number down here is 734-788-1919.
Bill Futrell MK111Xtra
"L. Ray Baker" <rbaker-@atlantic.net> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: "L.
Ray Baker"
Kolb Listers,
After a having put aviation on the back burner for almost a year, our 912 powered
Mark III finally flew this past Sunday (2-2-2003), at the Flying Ten Airport,
Archer, FL. Everyting went great. No adjustments required.
I am not current so, Larry Flewelling (Kolb Owner) was the test pilot and did a
super job. I am not sure who had the biggest smile, Larry or me.
I cannot wait to get current so that I too can enjoy the fruits of my labor.
I want to take this opportunity to express my appreciation and gratitude to all
the Kolb Listers who so generously share their experience and knowledge. Your
input was invaluable to this first time builder.
L. Ray Baker
Gainesville, Fl
Mark III, N629RB
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
But I also know guys that have been blind sided by cars when better
peripheral vision may have prevented it. ????????
you just gotta keep your head on a swivel. It seams some people will think
of any and all excuses to get away with not doing what's good for them. I
don't get that, but I am in strong agreement that everybody should keep the
right to be stupid if they want. but again it is costing us all tons of
money with healthcare costs spiraling out of control.
john H, I was agreeing with you on the part of your post that I quoted, the
rest of my comments were just of a general nature not referring to you,
sorry I do tend to ramble on. Would I wear one in my car? no. do you
honestly think that the Kolb presents as significant protection to the
occupant as a modern automobile? It is a great crash cage but it isn't
anything compared to a modern car with front and side airbags.
My basic point is, to not wear a helmet is to accept additional personal
risk, that ends up impacting all of us in the form of higher healthcare
costs. It is more dangerous to participate in lots of activities without a
helmet. None of these justifications that all of you are coming up with to
make it sound like a good choice are valid. If you don't want to wear one
great, but quit making up arguments that you're somehow safer without one,
because that is ridiculous.
That carrier deck helmet sounds like a great deal...
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 16:43Dallas Shepherd
> in this situation a helmet wouldn't have helped me. When I went to=0D
> get my glasses fixed the guy asked me what I hit them with. I told=0D
> him an airplane! Had to explain that one to him. Aero News got=0D
> hold of the FAA report and it was wrong. Said it was a maiden=0D
> flight with a passenger.
=======================
I commend you on your patience. I would have told all those suits to frog
off just about after my first 35 minutes with them.
I suppose what I have learned from your experience (thank you for sharing),
is that the smart thing to do, is to write a report on a couple (half of one
if possible) of pages, as soon as I regain any coherence, and from that
point on to simply stick it in their hand, fax it to them, or email it to
them. And refuse any further questions unless they are written and I take my
time reviewing them for a proper response and at my leasure.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 21:02John Hauck
> Now if I could get rid of the majority of that
> damn prop noise...........
===================
Well John old Buddy its called $$$$ and a smaller dia 4 blade prop pitched
high. :-)
At least that is my formula. Now with a Hirth tuned two cycle muffler I
don't know how much benafit I'll get. But with your little Austrian buddy it
should be rather quite.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 21:07Ken Korenek
> Those who say that there is little
> difference either have never used ANR or their hearing is so shot it makes
> little difference to them.
================
My thoughts exactly. :-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lawrence M. Rice" <tailwind5@juno.com>
Friends,
I may be a bit slanted, but both my daughter and I have had our lives
saved by helmets. I can understand being bothered by the limited
visibility of a full face, so why not get a "shorty", it's a lot better
than nothing, even a bicycle helmet's much better than nothing. Give me a
choice between some whiplash and only half a brain......
Larry the MicroMong guy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/7/03 21:31John Hauck
> I liked them and they performed well
> until I went full power.
==================
I think I mentioned that I had the same problem with the Lightspeed -20. I
sent it back and they sent me another pair which I still have and work's
just fine. Back then I think they still had some bugs in their ANR magic. Or
they may have just sent you the headset that I sent back to them about 3
years ago. :-)
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| Subject: | inboard rib steel ring drilling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
Another question
The plans show a small section of a typical drill spacing for the inboard
main spar end to the steel ring on the inboard rib. There is a reference to
do no drilling on the top and bottom of the main spar for 3.5 inches around
the circumference on the rest of the ribs except the outboard rib. My
question is, does this apply to the drilling of the inboard steel rib? If it
does, there won't be very many rivets holding it together.
Thanks for some help any anybody
Ron Williams
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: Helmets, round two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/8/03 6:50Fackler, Ken
> Assuming that a person decided to USE a helmet, what's the best one? [evil
> grin]
===============
The best one, would be a custom made 1/8 inch of carbon ply under which
there is about 1/8 kevlar under which about 3 inches of balistic foam. If
thats not available then any good motorcycle helmet should do. I forget the
name but there is actually a rating on motorcycle helmets by which you can
judge how good they are. Its named after a fellow that either lost his kid
in a bike Accident or he himself died in one. One of the guys here should
know what I am taking about. Alzhaimer decided to go for a walk with my
memory this morning. If you have the money I would guess a military chopper
helmet is probably the best there is.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 10:44 AM 2/8/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
>2/7/03 16:43Dallas Shepherd
>
>> in this situation a helmet wouldn't have helped me. When I went to=0D
>> get my glasses fixed the guy asked me what I hit them with. I told=0D
>> him an airplane! Had to explain that one to him. Aero News got=0D
>> hold of the FAA report and it was wrong. Said it was a maiden=0D
>> flight with a passenger.
>=======================
>
>I commend you on your patience. I would have told all those suits to frog
>off just about after my first 35 minutes with them.
>I suppose what I have learned from your experience (thank you for sharing),
>is that the smart thing to do, is to write a report on a couple (half of one
>if possible) of pages, as soon as I regain any coherence, and from that
>point on to simply stick it in their hand, fax it to them, or email it to
>them. And refuse any further questions unless they are written and I take my
>time reviewing them for a proper response and at my leasure.
>
>do not archive
>
I am not sure that I would want to advise anyone on what to do in this situation.
One could request that a lawyer be present, but that would involve significant
expense. If one civilly complies with each request, at least you cannot
be defined as deceiving, with holding or being belligerent, all of which can give
you more time to think the situation over in a small confined space and with
the association with people out of the norm who wish they could fly away.
This may be one of those situations where one must do the best they can and endure.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: helmets and inputsmessage of Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:56:15 |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> If I were to license
> my FS it would be perfectly legal, regardless of that 100 pounds.
> The definition for the word license is "......Permission for a fee to do
> something that otherwise would be illegal." THERE's the real problem.
>
> Outlaw Mike in WV
Mike/Gang:
My Ultrastar and Firestar were illegal airplanes
because they both weighed more than 254, carried
more than 5 gal fuel, flew faster than 63 mph.
Other than that, they met all the requirements of
part 103. :-) But I was still flying illegal
unregistered airplanes and not ultralight
vehicles. My only problem with that was the
uncomfortable feeling of not being legal. Always
looking over my shoulder and wondering when the
FAA was going to ramp check me and what the
outcome would be if I was checked.
I built the MK III, went the experimental route,
am legal, and much more comfortable with my
airplane. I also have hull and liability
insurance. doin't have to look over my shoulder
anymore.
What would I do if I lose my medical and build an
ultralight. Just like I did with the Ultrastar
and Firestar. Build a single seat overweight
unregistered airplane. Of course the Sport Pilot
program may take care of that and I can keep on
flying my old experimental bird on my drivers
license. I hope so.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 37 Msgs - 02/07/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Blane Cox" <coxhb@hotmail.com>
Flying through a herd of bees in a open cockpit will convince most folks that a
full face helmet is best. When it comes to chosing between a open face helmet
versus a full face helmet, you have to ask yourself if you want a closed or open
coffin at your funeral! And please wear shoulder harnesses. They keep the
body closer to the wreckage.
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| Subject: | Address Change John Hauck |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
Hi Folks,
Provider is changing my email address to:
jhauck@elmore.rr.com
Effective 11 Feb 2003.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
John Hauck
USA SF/Avn Retired
Titus, Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> But I also know guys that have been blind sided by cars when better
> peripheral vision may have prevented it. ????????
>
>
> you just gotta keep your head on a swivel. It seams some people will
think
> of any and all excuses to get away with not doing what's good for them. I
> don't get that, but I am in strong agreement that everybody should keep
the
> right to be stupid if they want. but again it is costing us all tons of
> money with healthcare costs spiraling out of control.
Good point! I also think a little more tact in driving may be useful...;o)
Snuffy
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
Kolbers,
My plan to mount my battery is to use the standard location behind the
passenger
seat. I have put a piece of thin rubber under it, and strapped it down
with
the same method used on the stock fuel tank set- up.
================================
i built a small metal pan with 1 inch sides.... put in the batery and
straped it down as you sugested.. inspection went ok
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
Fellow flyers, i don't want this conversation to run on too long
because i know there is lots of info in the archives but i just wish to
know how many of you are using the clark headphones... i would like to
spend about $250.00 - $300.00 for a good set, can you give me the model
# you are using and how it performs. i'am not stuck on clark i just
though the quality was there in that brand, so if you can recommend a
better performing one please let me know.
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
i used a set of pilot pa 11-60 for over a year and had good success with them.
( out of the box they were noisy, but the factory sent me a set of new mics
and that fixed the problem.) since i have bought a set of telex echelon anr
150 and realy love them..... pd 300 each for the telex....( i had to adjust
the mike gain to minimum to get a better signal to noise ratio ) the pilot pa
11-60's are for sale if anyone is interested. i still have the boxes. i
paid 92 dollars each for the pa 11-60's the pilots have better passive noise
reduction over the telex model but the addition of the anr was worth the price.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
john
do you know the weight of the warp drive propeller?
jim gerkin
do you remember the weight of the prop extention you made for me?
boyd young
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| Subject: | Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
> Another question
>
> The plans show a small section of a typical drill spacing for the inboard
> main spar end to the steel ring on the inboard rib. There is a reference
to
> do no drilling on the top and bottom of the main spar for 3.5 inches
around
> the circumference on the rest of the ribs except the outboard rib. My
> question is, does this apply to the drilling of the inboard steel rib? If
it
> does, there won't be very many rivets holding it together.
>
> Thanks for some help any anybody
>
> Ron Williams
> Firestar II
Hi Ron/Gang,
Ron....I haven't saw a response to your questions yet so I'll give you my
suggestions and what I have saw from building or rebuilding three different
Kolbs. The steel ring on the inboard steel rib should have two rows of
rivets spaced 1/2 " apart all the way around the spar. Stagger the rows and
be sure to skip any rivets that would require drilling into the supports in
the middle of the steel ring.
On your other question about how many rivets are used in the rib flanges at
the front and rear spar, it is one in each "V" shaped tab or two at the
front spar and two at the rear spar.
Hope this helps
Take Care,
John Cooley
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets per rib on leading edge |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Ron
I am building a MK3X and only put one rivet per point on my ribs at the
leading and trailing edge.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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From: <RWilliJill@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Rivets per rib on leading edge
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen
>
> Question -- How many rivets are installed in the "v" shaped tabs in the
> leading and trailing edge spars? My plans and my book have conflicting
info.
> It seems to be one per tab for the rear spar but I'm not sure about the
> front. There's a side view of the outboard rib on sheet 18 of my firestar
II
> plans that shows two per tab. This particular view is for the wing rib
> reinforcement for the outboard ribs showing the placement of the aluminum
> angle. Just wondering if the outboard ribs are the only ones that might
need
> two rivets per tab on the ribs to the leading edge. BTW, this
reinforcement
> is an
> option but I want to be sure I have the correct number for the rest of the
> ribs. Sorry for the length of this but it takes me a while to explain.
>
> Ron Williams
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
My 70" HP warp without bolts or plates is about 8 lbs. (using a
no decimal place electronic scale and subtracting my weight)-BB
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by0ung@brigham.net wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
>
>john
> do you know the weight of the warp drive propeller?
>
>jim gerkin
> do you remember the weight of the prop extention you made for me?
>
>boyd young
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Helmets, round two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody Sulloway" <sulloway@mail.clis.com>
Guys,
we used to be told that flight helmets were mostly to hang earphones and
mikes as well as face shields on. Is there a military helicopter type here
that can fill us in as to whether the helicopter type gives any better
protection than the Jet one?
Regards
Woody
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| Subject: | Re: Helmets, round two |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
> Is there a military helicopter type here
> that can fill us in as to whether the helicopter type gives any better
> protection than the Jet one?
> Woody
Woody/Gang:
Wish I could, but I only have experience with the
old Army helicopter pilot helmets, and not too
much at that. Never messed with the jet jocks
hats.
If you have to dollars to spend, got with the
GENTEX. They were the providers for most military
flight helmets back in my day. They have a web
site and all their wares on display. I must add,
they are very proud of their products as reflected
in their prices.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
Thanks John. That's the beauty of this list ... somebody has already been
there and done that...
Have a good evening
Ron Williams
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Today. in a Kolb. in Miami.
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002119.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002110.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002107.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002105.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002099.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002097.jpg
http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002092.jpg
Life is good!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Yes just had to go there, Being that 47 of the last 55 e-mails were on this helmet
subject I figured I'd toss in my 2 cents worth.
First helmets are good protection for your noggin, plain and simple. Remember,
I have been riding,racing and crashing motorcycles for over 30 years.
Second, just as a proper application for say a propeller for a given aircraft engine/airplane
so to are helmet designs. Take this into prospective, Football
players never go onto the field and line up against a 300lb fridge fixing to explode
on your head! good reason fridge would make mush meat out of your skull.
However a 15 lb Beiffe streetbike helmet would not work because the bottom of
the helmet would crack your collar bones. Ouch! A lightweight bicycle lid would
not work because if fridge decides to elbow you in the side of your head you
would not be able to hear on that side ever again! Get the idea here?
Third, extensive research has been done for a number of years on every type of
skid lid (helmet) on the planet and trust me folks I have been up in the middle
of the battle for years. I have fought for helmet repels to the state of Mississippi
until I am blue in the face. The argument is not weather it is safe to
ride without a helmet, as most try to prove by statistics of how the DOT approves
such gear, but for me it has been a matter of "choice" Lets say I want to
very slowly and very carefully ride my bike a couple of blocks down to visit
a neighbor and chose not to wear a lid? Am I crazy or do I feel that I am capable
of doing such and not cracking my cranium? I feel that I am capable of doing
such. However it's against the law! many states have repelled their helmet
laws and there will always be a fight there. I have had several brothers of the
road that helmet's have saved their lives. One such case was a bro the lit
out of my work place after showing off his new bike and went two blocks accelerating
to over 100mph (stupid) and T-Boned a Cadillac. His head hit the B pillar
of the caddy right at the roof panel. Luckily he was wearing a very expensive
lid and with the expertise of the paramedics removing the lid without doing
further damage to his spine he recovered. Another brother of the road had a nasty
case of strap throat and he and his wife were shopping and on the way home
he decided to stop by a 24hr clinic to get a shot or something. His wife and
their two young children waited in the car while Glick went in to receive treatment,
20 minutes later Glick's wife noticed a man being rushed out of the clinic
on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance and just happened to notice that
it was her husband! What happened was the just after the nurse gave him the
"shot" and left him waiting for a few moments he passed out and fell of the
table and hit the back of his head and never regained consciences. He died four
days later from sever swelling of the brain.
Forth, Folks, the slightest ding to your noggin can produce catastrophic results.
And from my experience, Helmets are good protection if you plan to put your
head at risk. Dale Earnhart was wearing a helmet.
Finally, In my many years of breaking bones, 17 to be exact, the brain is one that
is at the most risk. If you feel that what you are about to do weather it
be flying a airplane or riding a bicycle, protect yourself accordingly.
foot note.. the back of the head is the most vulnerable. That's why when you see
a superbike contestant high side and kiss the pavement he will be holding his
head upward to keep the back of the head from smacking the tarmac!!!! and most
are wearing 700 dollar plus HELMETS!
pp....
N4958P
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| Subject: | Re: battery - snow ski |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Hi all,
What is the function of the thin rubber mount under the battery box? Also,
is there a reason for a sheet of rubber under the fuel tank (except as a
vibration/metal to metal wear factor)?
A while back I mentioned that I had plans for building snow skis and that I
would put them on the list. I put together what I have and will post them as
soon as my daughter gets home and shows me how to use the *&%# scanner.
Sorry for the delay.
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "T. K. Frantz" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Peter Volum wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> Today. in a Kolb. in Miami.
>
>
> Life is good!
>
>
Peter,
Boy!!!!!!! You really know how to hurt a guy! We have six inches of snow
on the ground and temps in the low 30's here in Lancaster County, Pa. Been
wanting to fly for the last six weeks waiting for a break in the weather.
Flying in an open cockpit FireFly from a frozen snow covered airstrip,
tends to restrict your flying just a tad. Brrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!
Great pic's!!! I'm praying for spring,
Terry - FireFly #95
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolbers
One good reason to wear a helmet in a Kolb is because unlike a
motorcycle or most general Aviation planes there is a 80-90 pound engine
positioned just behind and above the pilots head.
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
WOW ! ! ! Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Today...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
>
> Today. in a Kolb. in Miami.
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002119.jpg
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002110.jpg
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002107.jpg
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> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002105.jpg
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002099.jpg
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002097.jpg
>
> http://www.lafa.com/images/P1002092.jpg
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> Life is good!
>
> Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: inboard rib steel ring drilling |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
IN looking at my FireFly plans, that is exactly how they show the rivet
spacing and number on each rib end.
On the below website, I believe you can see pretty well on page 3 or 4 the
nose of the rib, and how I riveted it....according to the print.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini
FireFly 098
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