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     1. 04:19 AM - Helmets (Kirk Smith)
     2. 08:51 AM - 2003 Beach Run (John Hauck)
     3. 09:03 AM - Re: In Flight Adjustable Prop (Hans vanAlphen)
     4. 09:22 AM - Re: BMW engine (Peter Volum)
     5. 10:50 AM - Re: Aluminum Wheel Legs (woody)
     6. 01:13 PM - Insurance (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     7. 02:09 PM - Re: Insurance (Timandjan@aol.com)
     8. 02:12 PM - Kolb wing spar (Fackler, Ken)
     9. 03:34 PM - Re: Kolb wing spar (CaptainRon)
    10. 04:58 PM - Re: Kolb wing spar (Tiffany Pitra)
    11. 05:54 PM - Re: snow skis and how too .. (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
    12. 06:29 PM - Re: Kolb wing spar (Timandjan@aol.com)
    13. 06:50 PM - Registering if your not the builder? (Alderson, James)
    14. 07:42 PM - Experimental Aircraft Registration (John Hauck)
    15. 08:02 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/09/03 ()
    16. 08:05 PM - Re: Registering if your not the builder? (Alderson, James)
 
 
 
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
      
      I have removed the passenger side airbag from my SUV and intend on installing it
      in my Mark 3. Have decided to go with tempered safety glass in my 12 inch diameter
      windshield. Used to be a porthole on a  battleship.  The bulkhead door
      is still attached as it worked perfectly to seal me into my foam lined body fit
      pilot cell. Not unlike a complete body helmet. My full set of leathers and NASCAR
      approved helmet should render me immortal . My only dilemna now is whether
      I should wear my waders under or over my firesuit? I'm thinking under , so
      you guys won't laugh yourselves silly when I fly into the Kolb flyins.  Of course
      the waders will be as necessary as the oars and boat will be. Go ahead and
      laugh if you want but I know I will be saving the country billions in health
      care costs.....:o) Snuffy
      
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      Hello Kolbers:
      
      The boys down south are having the Beach Run 22-23
      Feb 2003.  This is the normal annual beach flight
      that was postponed from last November or December.
      
      The flight starts at Sandy Creek Air Park north of
      Tyndal AFB, fly to Mexico Beach, down the beach
      north of St Joe Spit, hop across the bay to the
      spit, then down the beach east, all the way to
      Alligator Point and finally to the grass strip at
      Panacea, FL.
      
      Everyone is welcome to come and join in the
      flight.  We always have a good time.  The beach
      run is always beautiful from the air.  Most time
      we get to observe a lot of marine life and some
      fine feathered friends that easily fly much better
      than us.  Never yet failed to see several bald
      eagles in the area around St Vincent Island.
      
      At Panacea we split up to sleep at different
      people beach houses in the local area or out at
      Alligator Point.  We usually have a good seafood
      dinner in Panacea, get some sleep.  Next morning,
      Sunday, get a good breakfast and head for home.
      
      The weekend is really informal, loose as a goose,
      and a tremendous amount of fun.  A big plus is the
      fact that it can be done without spending your
      life's savings.
      
      If you want more info, i.e., airport identifiers
      and GPS coordinates, telephone numbers, etc., let
      me know.
      
      john h  
      
      PS:  Did I say that everyone and all makes of
      airplanes, or people that want to drive and meet
      us at Sandy Creek or Pancea are welcome to come
      join in on the fun.
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: In Flight Adjustable Prop | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
      
      Clay and Gang,
      
      I have used the Ivo ultralight electric inflight prop now for over 30 hours
      and I am very happy with it.
      
      It is smoother than the Powerfin I used before, maybe not quite as efficient
      but
      I get 27 mph difference in speed between max climb pitch and max cruise
      pitch.
      
      On my BMW engine I use 6500 rpm for climb (7200 rpm is redline) and cruise
      at 72 mph at only 4800 rpm.
      
      The BMW is a fourstroke with lots of torque and I doubt you would get the
      added performance on a 2 stroke.
      
      Great prop at only $860.-
      
      Hans van Alphen
      Kolb Mark III Xtra  #14
      BMW powered
      93 hours.
      
      > From: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
      > Subject: Kolb-List: Ivo in-flight adjustable prop
      > This is of interest:
      > http://www.ivoprop.com/inflightultralightmodel.htm
      > What does everyone think about this prop?  Or it is not a big performance
      enhancer
      > on a high-drag plane like a Kolb?  The price doesn't look too bad.  I just
      > wonder how about this prop's durability and reliability.
      > It seems like this would be Sport Plane acceptable since it is not a
      constant speed
      > prop, but an adjustable one.  They have an add-on to make this a constant
      > speed prop for $400 more.
      > Clay Stuart
      > Mark IIIXtra builder
      >
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
      
      Hello Hans: what is the Model, Rated HP, weight and cost of your BMW
      engine?, and what is your fuel consumption at cruise?
      
      Peter
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
      
      Clay and Gang,
      
      On my BMW engine I use 6500 rpm for climb (7200 rpm is redline) and
      cruise
      at 72 mph at only 4800 rpm.
      
      The BMW is a fourstroke with lots of torque and I doubt you would get
      the
      added performance on a 2 stroke.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Aluminum Wheel Legs | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
      
      At 09:32 AM 2/9/03 -0500, you wrote:
      >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Currie <bnb@erols.com>
      >
      >I am a longtime reader and have learned alot.  I have done all of the 
      >rigging and
      >covering on a FSII and recall that It would be a good idea to lube the 
      >sockets the
      >gear legs fit into.  Roled the fuselage over and find that the legs feel 
      >far too
      >contforable in their sockets and are not interested in coming out.  Before 
      >going to
      >the pipe wrench and twisting method, is there a better way to remove 
      >them?  If and
      >when I get them out any recomendations on lube so future removel can be done?
      
      
         Heat and beat sometimes frees them up. Next  time if they don't slide 
      into the sockets stop and clean out the socket. There is usually a bit of 
      weld or distortion where the frame tubes meet. I once had to cut the leg 
      off and then install a slide hammer to force it off. Lots off work, now I 
      clean the sockets.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
      
      For those interested in insurance, I called Mahoney at the number Ken posted, 800
      637-0453, and here are their quotes for liability insurance: (They offer a
      10% discount if you belong to an organization (EAA, USUA, ASC, etc.) and another
      10% if you have a parachute.)
      
      $100,000  $500 - 20%  $400
      $500,000  $800 - 20%  $640
      $1,000,000  $950 - 20%  $760
      
      These are annual prices.  I also contacted IMC (?) but they don't insure Ultralights.
      Does anyone have any better numbers?
      
      Arizona Dave
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
      
      
      In a message dated 2/10/03 5:14:50 PM, pelletier@cableone.net writes:
      
      << --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" 
      <pelletier@cableone.net>
      
      For those interested in insurance, I called Mahoney at the number Ken posted, 
      800 637-0453, and here are their quotes for liability insurance: (They offer 
      a 10% discount if you belong to an organization (EAA, USUA, ASC, etc.) and 
      another 10% if you have a parachute.)
      
      $100,000  $500 - 20%  $400
      $500,000  $800 - 20%  $640
      $1,000,000  $950 - 20%  $760
      
      These are annual prices.  I also contacted IMC (?) but they don't insure 
      Ultralights.  Does anyone have any better numbers?
      
      Arizona Dave >>
      
      My premiums for my Numbered Firestar 2 are a lot less than these through 
      Avemco.  I pay $211.00 for liability, 100,000, personal, 100,000 property 
      500,000 each incident. No medical coverage for myself or passenger. 
      
      Tim
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
      
      A friend of mine posed a question about Kolbs that I know the answer for.
      Can anyone here help?
      
      -Ken Fackler
      Mark II / 503
      Rochester MI
      
      8<--------------------- cut here -------------------------------------------
      
      I have a question.  I was told the Kolb has a 5-inch diameter round tube
      wing spar.  Could you find out if the alloy is 6061-T6 or 6063-T5, and if
      the wall thickness is .062", .063", or .065" ?  Of course I may be wrong on
      alloy numbers or wall thicknesses, but it's a good place to start.
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kolb wing spar | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
      
      2/10/03 15:10Fackler, Ken
      
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
      > 
      > A friend of mine posed a question about Kolbs that I know the answer for.
      > Can anyone here help?
      > 
      > -Ken Fackler
      > Mark II / 503
      > Rochester MI
      > 
      > 8<--------------------- cut here -------------------------------------------
      > 
      > I have a question.  I was told the Kolb has a 5-inch diameter round tube
      > wing spar.  Could you find out if the alloy is 6061-T6 or 6063-T5, and if
      > the wall thickness is .062", .063", or .065" ?  Of course I may be wrong on
      > alloy numbers or wall thicknesses, but it's a good place to start.
      > 
      =======================
      
      Which Kolb Ken?
      
      On the M3X its 6" x .058
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kolb wing spar | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Tiffany Pitra <tif_qtra@yahoo.com>
      
      
      My firestar is alcoa 6061 t6  5'' x.049 wall aren't they all same?
       CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com> wrote:--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon
      
      
      2/10/03 15:10Fackler, Ken
      
      > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" 
      > 
      > A friend of mine posed a question about Kolbs that I know the answer for.
      > Can anyone here help?
      > 
      > -Ken Fackler
      > Mark II / 503
      > Rochester MI
      > 
      > 8<--------------------- cut here -------------------------------------------
      > 
      > I have a question. I was told the Kolb has a 5-inch diameter round tube
      > wing spar. Could you find out if the alloy is 6061-T6 or 6063-T5, and if
      > the wall thickness is .062", .063", or .065" ? Of course I may be wrong on
      > alloy numbers or wall thicknesses, but it's a good place to start.
      > 
      =======================
      
      Which Kolb Ken?
      
      On the M3X its 6" x .058
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: snow skis and how too .. | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
      
      Hi all,
      
      I am still trying to get the ski info to you and I won't give up until its 
      done.
      
      I am nearing the point of having the FS done and would like to register it 
      (its beyond fat and into the obese range).  I understand there is a book or 
      two that give a step by step guide/info on the process.  Any of you have one 
      you are done with?
      
      Steve
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kolb wing spar | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
      
      Just measured a extra piece I have, the 5 inch spar is .050 and the 6 inch 
      spar measures .065. My Firestar 2 uses the 5inch and the Slingshot and Mark 
      models use the 6inch. I also believe it is 6061 t6.  I received the long 
      spars and had to cut mine so I have a piece left over and the 6 inch piece 
      was given to me by another builder for a project I was creating. (my digital 
      caliper is a cheapy so the measurements might be a bit off)
      
      Hope this helps
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Registering if your not the builder? | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
      
      Good evening all,
      
      I have another question. I talked to the builder of the Kolb I am buying
      (getting excited, tomorrow is the night I own it) and we talked for quite a
      while. I wanted if nothing else to tell this guy that I was in awe of his
      work. I hang around a bunch of ultralighters that fly stuff that is safe,
      but not the most attractive, so this is a treat to see something with this
      much love in it. I am someone who wants to be proud of my plane, and will
      probably spend more time tinkering and cleaning than flying.  Anyway, the
      builder said he probably spent close to 1000 hours building this thing with
      all the slow days of perfecting that he spent, it was his third Kolb build
      and he says his last as he is just way to anal with the build (eg. He used a
      laser level on all wing ribs and points, didn't allow more than 2 degrees
      off at any point or it was rebuilt). Anyway, he didn't keep any pictures or
      records as he never intended it to be registered. 
      
      So... I want to register this plane as an experimental. I want to do it soon
      and need to know if its harder for me to register it without being the
      builder? I know it means that I will have to get someone else to do the
      annuals for me (lots of A&P around that are lovers of the six pack) and a
      few other things will be more of a pain, but I just want to know that its
      still possible and fairly straight forward. Is there anywhere I can go to
      find out the process of not building but registering?
      
      James Alderson
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Experimental Aircraft Registration | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@sw.rr.com>
      
      Steve/James/Gang:
      
      Or, how to turn a fat ultralight into a legal
      registered experimental homebuilt aircraft with
      airworthiness certificate:
      
      http://www1.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/
      
      http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/amateur/
      
      Everything you ever wanted to know about
      experimental homebuilt registration and
      certification can be found in the above web
      sites.  Have at it guys.  I ain't gonna do it for
      you.  
      
      Also, contact your local FSDO (FAA Office) for a
      packet to register and certify your homebuilt.  I
      got mine from the FSDO in Birmingham, Alabama.
      
      john h
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/09/03 | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
      
      
      <<<<<<Greetings
      
      I spent a while going through the archives and couldn't find much on
      Sporty's SP-200
      hand held transceiver.  Anybody have any experience with this radio?  I
      like the idea that it has the nav capability as well as localizer plus a
      five
      year warranty.  It also appears that an adapter can be purchased so I can
      plug
      it into my intercom.
      
      Appreciate any comments and thank you ahead of time
      
      Dick Neitzel   Sayner WI  Mark III 582 >>>>>
      
      =============================
      
      i have been looking at the sp-200 as well......   i am now using the
      sporties a300 and have liked it quite well....i have never used the nav
      portion of the radio other than testing but it seemed to work well...   one
      reason i think i would go for the 200 is the adapters i have for the 300
      should fit without any mods.
      
      boyd
      
      
      
      
      
      
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| Subject:  | Registering if your not the builder? | 
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
      
      Well, after receiving a call from another individual regarding this issue,
      it appears that it will be near impossible to do this. If anyone has any
      personal experience with doing this, please let me know.
      
      Know, forgive me for being ignorant on the FAR 103, but can a Firestar II be
      registered as an ultralight trainer without having two sets of controls? It
      fits all the other criteria, but without controls I can't see how it would
      be a viable trainer for any BFI without a suicide wish, but its worth
      asking. 
      
      If not, I guess I will fill bags with helium and rig them into the plane
      somewhere... should be able to get it down to 254lbs. Man, there really
      isn't many options to fly these things legally without spending 500-1000
      hours to build it....
      
      James.
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Alderson, James 
      Subject: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
      
      
      --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
      <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
      
      Good evening all,
      
      I have another question. I talked to the builder of the Kolb I am buying
      (getting excited, tomorrow is the night I own it) and we talked for quite a
      while. I wanted if nothing else to tell this guy that I was in awe of his
      work. I hang around a bunch of ultralighters that fly stuff that is safe,
      but not the most attractive, so this is a treat to see something with this
      much love in it. I am someone who wants to be proud of my plane, and will
      probably spend more time tinkering and cleaning than flying.  Anyway, the
      builder said he probably spent close to 1000 hours building this thing with
      all the slow days of perfecting that he spent, it was his third Kolb build
      and he says his last as he is just way to anal with the build (eg. He used a
      laser level on all wing ribs and points, didn't allow more than 2 degrees
      off at any point or it was rebuilt). Anyway, he didn't keep any pictures or
      records as he never intended it to be registered. 
      
      So... I want to register this plane as an experimental. I want to do it soon
      and need to know if its harder for me to register it without being the
      builder? I know it means that I will have to get someone else to do the
      annuals for me (lots of A&P around that are lovers of the six pack) and a
      few other things will be more of a pain, but I just want to know that its
      still possible and fairly straight forward. Is there anywhere I can go to
      find out the process of not building but registering?
      
      James Alderson
      
      
      
      
      
      
 
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