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1. 12:05 AM - Re: James Alderson (Vincehallam@aol.com)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (Bob Bean)
4. 05:42 AM - Ski helmet (Clay Stuart)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: Ski helmet (Richard Pike)
6. 06:54 AM - BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage (Hans vanAlphen)
7. 08:20 AM - Jabiru (woody)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage (woody)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage (John Cooley)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Jim Ballenger)
11. 12:39 PM - John's Articles (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
12. 02:13 PM - Re: Kolb Snowbirds (VIC)
13. 02:40 PM - Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage (woody)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: Ski helmet (Beauford Tuton)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: Jabiru (Beauford Tuton)
16. 03:27 PM - BMW engine (Jason Omelchuck)
17. 03:44 PM - Tail Boom to cage (CaptainRon)
18. 03:46 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (John Hauck)
19. 03:50 PM - Re: John's Articles (John Hauck)
20. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Snowbirds (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
21. 04:16 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (CaptainRon)
22. 04:36 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Kirk Smith)
23. 04:56 PM - Re: Jabiru (Larry Bourne)
24. 05:12 PM - Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (John Hauck)
25. 05:14 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Larry Bourne)
26. 05:32 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (John Hauck)
27. 06:03 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (Kirk Smith)
28. 06:03 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/03 ()
29. 06:12 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (Kirk Smith)
30. 06:26 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (John Hauck)
31. 06:30 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space (John Hauck)
32. 06:31 PM - Finally a Kolb Firestar II owner. (Alderson, James)
33. 07:09 PM - Re: Jabiru (woody)
34. 07:49 PM - Process to Register Aircraft (vincenicely)
35. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 -0800 (Fackler, Ken)
36. 09:36 PM - Re: Finally a Kolb Firestar II owner. (Richard Pike)
37. 09:36 PM - Re: Tail Boom to cage (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: James Alderson |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
james my best advice from over the pond is to not broadcast so publicly
vnz
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Gary and gang, Count me in for spending the week at S&F. I,ll be driving
down with a friend ( a trike pilot) as my 618 is being rebuilt, new 16 gal.
fuel tank is ordered and new tires need to be put on my MK3 Classic. If we
get a few more responses we can come up with a time and place to meet there.
Fly safe\
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I'll be there also, via commercial air/rentacar. Staying in Crystal
River for
the week. -hope for decent weather. -BB do not archive
Airgriff2@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
>Gary and gang, Count me in for spending the week at S&F. I,ll be driving
>down with a friend ( a trike pilot) as my 618 is being rebuilt, new 16 gal.
>fuel tank is ordered and new tires need to be put on my MK3 Classic. If we
>get a few more responses we can come up with a time and place to meet there.
>Fly safe\
>Bob Griffin
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
John,
Just got back from skiing in Park City Utah where I wore my ski helmet. It is
very comfortable, but might only be suitable for cold weather flight as it is
lined for skiing. By the way, skiing is the nearest thing to flying than I have
experienced outside an aircraft. I plan to wear a helmet in my Mark IIIXtra
if I ever get it finished. My main concern is being able to provide passengers
with helmets. I wonder if there are any helmets with effective size adjustments?
Back to the helmet thread. I don't consider myself a great risk taker, but I downhill
ski and I plan to fly my Kolb someday. I do like to limit my risks however,
by wearing helmets, driving safe cars and wearing seatbelts.
Several years ago, Kentucky passed a law that allowed you to ride a motorcycle
without a helmet if you had proof of a certain amount of insurance in place.
It was unenforceable and was later dropped. This is a whole other topic about
risk taking and the cost to society for higher insurance rates and increased
taxes to pay for indigent care.
Clay Stuart
Danville KY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Non Kolb related rant- bail out now -
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
><snip>
>Several years ago, Kentucky passed a law that allowed you to ride a
>motorcycle without a helmet if you had proof of a certain amount of
>insurance in place. It was unenforceable and was later dropped. This is
>a whole other topic about risk taking and the cost to society for higher
>insurance rates and increased taxes to pay for indigent care.
>
>Clay Stuart
>Danville KY
Check the part about higher insurance rates vs. increased taxes to pay for
indigent care. This is the difference between capitalism and socialism.
An insurance company that will insure you if you ride without a helmet
should charge you higher rates. An insurance company that requires you to
have a helmet can probably charge you lower rates, and therefore attract
more customers. Notice how Avemco has a clause that they don't have to pay
off if you bust your tush doing something illegal? You pays yer money and
takes yer choice.
Subsidizing indigent care is a social/socialism problem. Considering the
extent to which we are already subsidizing everybody and his/her brother
who either cannot or will not work, or otherwise requires the state to be
their nanny, I wonder how much more society would have to pay to cover the
non helmet cases? Half a percentage point? We are already subsidizing the
irresponsible. Non-helmet wearers would probably be a minuscule addition to
the current overhead.
Along this same vein, if/when medicine/health care is completely
socialized, then the state can ban any "unsafe" activities it chooses,
because it cannot afford to pay to sustain us if/when we hurt ourselves.
And will therefore have a fiscal responsibility to make sure we live safely.
Big nanny is watching you. Put on your seatbelt, strap your kid in the car
seat, fasten your helmet, put out your cigarette, and do what you're told.
(No, I don't smoke. It's the principle of the thing.)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Sorry, just couldn't hold it in any longer. I'll be quiet about this now...
And Clay, this was not at you, you just happened to mention it.
(Hate to sound like I'm shooting the messenger...)
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| Subject: | BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
Richard and Gang,
Try this link to my personal pages, it has a picture of the BMW engine.
I have been too busy flying to update these pages, will do that when the weather
gets bad or get a hurricane...
http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/scripts/community.dll?ep16&groupid3931&ck&ver3.0
Hans van Alphen
Mark III Xtra
BMW powered
93 hours
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
I feel like the John Hauck of the mini van set. I just made a 1600 mile
2 day cross country in my old Windstar. All the way from Canada to
Arkansas. Not my usual weekend vacation but our old Buddy Dallas Sheppard
had this great deal on a Jabiru I couldn't pass up. Since his Thanks giving
day mishap he has given up on the thought of rebuilding his Mk3 so he
offered the parts for sale on the list. I was the first to say I would take
it. He knew what the engine cost new. So did I. He knew he was offering a
good deal on the engine. So did I. No point haggling or hemming an hawing
so I agreed to his price. Luckily I already had vacation booked for this
week so I was able to go and pick it up. 15 hours of driving to get there,
the last 3 hours on the last 60 miles of the Arkansas back roads.. It was
like a beautiful Canadian summer day when we got there...light snow and 30
degrees. I felt like I was in the tropics. The engine is now home with me
and soon as the weather warms up a bit I will start the installation
process. I will also have to carve a prop before I can fly it but if I can
build a Kolb carving a small piece of wood should not be a big challenge. :)
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| Subject: | Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
A
I tried but could not bring up your page. Is the address right?
t 09:56 AM 2/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
>
>Richard and Gang,
>
>Try this link to my personal pages, it has a picture of the BMW engine.
>
>I have been too busy flying to update these pages, will do that when the
>weather gets bad or get a hurricane...
>
>
>http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/scripts/community.dll?ep16&groupid3931&ck&ver3.0
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| Subject: | Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> A
>
> I tried but could not bring up your page. Is the address right?
>
>
> t 09:56 AM 2/12/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
> >
> >Richard and Gang,
> >
> >Try this link to my personal pages, it has a picture of the BMW engine.
> >
> >I have been too busy flying to update these pages, will do that when the
> >weather gets bad or get a hurricane...
> >
> >
>
>http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/scripts/community.dll?ep16&groupid3
931&ck&ver3.0
>
Hi Woody / Gang,
Try this URL for Hans vanAlphen homepage and see if it will work for you
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&ext=1&groupid=3931&ck I
went to the Bellsouth homepage and was able to locate it from there.
Interesting setup. I would like to know some of the details myself such as
thrust line height as compared to Rotax and it's effect on handling, any
problems with engine getting hot while sitting still (see static run-up
picture with window fan blowing on motor) and any other related stuff to
installation. How about it Hans, inquiring minds want to know.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Bob
I am building a MK 3 X and looking for more gas capacity. Can you provide
some more information on the 16 gallon tank you ordered?
Thanks
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Airgriff2@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> Gary and gang, Count me in for spending the week at S&F. I,ll be driving
> down with a friend ( a trike pilot) as my 618 is being rebuilt, new 16
gal.
> fuel tank is ordered and new tires need to be put on my MK3 Classic. If
we
> get a few more responses we can come up with a time and place to meet
there.
> Fly safe\
> Bob Griffin
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
John,
As a relatively new pilot, all I can say is WOW! I spent the last three hours
"arm chair flying" your trips with you. Those three trips were unbelievable.
My most sincere thanks for sharing them with us.
If any of you have not read about John's trips to Alaska, then grab a pot of
coffee, get comfortable and settle back for a real adventure.
Thanks again John,
Arizona Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
I have discovered that several Kolb list participants are also Arizona
Snowbirds so I propose that we have a Snowbird Gathering somewhere in the
Phoenix area before we all fly north. We can burn some burgers and tells
some flying stories. I suggest we also invite any other Kolb flyers that
wish to attend.
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: BMW - the ultimate flying machine... Homepage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
A
>Hi Woody / Gang,
>Try this URL for Hans vanAlphen homepage and see if it will work for you
>http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&ext=1&groupid=3931&ck I
>went to the Bellsouth homepage and was able to locate it from there.
>Interesting setup.
That one worked. Thanks
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Brother Pike...
T'warnt a rant, sir...t'was a polemic... and a well sharpened one at that...
NOTHING is free...well done.
Beauford of Brandon
FF076
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ski helmet
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Non Kolb related rant- bail out now -
>
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
> ><snip>
> >Several years ago, Kentucky passed a law that allowed you to ride a
> >motorcycle without a helmet if you had proof of a certain amount of
> >insurance in place. It was unenforceable and was later dropped. This is
> >a whole other topic about risk taking and the cost to society for higher
> >insurance rates and increased taxes to pay for indigent care.
> >
> >Clay Stuart
> >Danville KY
>
>
> Check the part about higher insurance rates vs. increased taxes to pay for
> indigent care. This is the difference between capitalism and socialism.
> An insurance company that will insure you if you ride without a helmet
> should charge you higher rates. An insurance company that requires you to
> have a helmet can probably charge you lower rates, and therefore attract
> more customers. Notice how Avemco has a clause that they don't have to pay
> off if you bust your tush doing something illegal? You pays yer money and
> takes yer choice.
>
> Subsidizing indigent care is a social/socialism problem. Considering the
> extent to which we are already subsidizing everybody and his/her brother
> who either cannot or will not work, or otherwise requires the state to be
> their nanny, I wonder how much more society would have to pay to cover the
> non helmet cases? Half a percentage point? We are already subsidizing the
> irresponsible. Non-helmet wearers would probably be a minuscule addition
to
> the current overhead.
>
> Along this same vein, if/when medicine/health care is completely
> socialized, then the state can ban any "unsafe" activities it chooses,
> because it cannot afford to pay to sustain us if/when we hurt ourselves.
> And will therefore have a fiscal responsibility to make sure we live
safely.
>
> Big nanny is watching you. Put on your seatbelt, strap your kid in the car
> seat, fasten your helmet, put out your cigarette, and do what you're told.
> (No, I don't smoke. It's the principle of the thing.)
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Sorry, just couldn't hold it in any longer. I'll be quiet about this
now...
>
> And Clay, this was not at you, you just happened to mention it.
> (Hate to sound like I'm shooting the messenger...)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Help Stop Spam!
> Delete all address information (especially mine) off everything you
> forward, and make Blind Carbon Copy a way of life.
> Thanks! And have a blessed day.
> rp
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Woody...
If you can build and fly a Mark III totem pole, you can certainly carve a
lil'ol prop...
I, for one, have a child-like faith in your ability to get 'er done...
Hang tough,
Beauford
PS... Have driven in Arkansas in the snow... Yer lucky to be alive....
B.
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Bb.
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> I feel like the John Hauck of the mini van set. I just made a 1600 mile
> 2 day cross country in my old Windstar. All the way from Canada to
> Arkansas. Not my usual weekend vacation but our old Buddy Dallas Sheppard
> had this great deal on a Jabiru I couldn't pass up. Since his Thanks
giving
> day mishap he has given up on the thought of rebuilding his Mk3 so he
> offered the parts for sale on the list. I was the first to say I would
take
> it. He knew what the engine cost new. So did I. He knew he was offering a
> good deal on the engine. So did I. No point haggling or hemming an hawing
> so I agreed to his price. Luckily I already had vacation booked for this
> week so I was able to go and pick it up. 15 hours of driving to get there,
> the last 3 hours on the last 60 miles of the Arkansas back roads.. It was
> like a beautiful Canadian summer day when we got there...light snow and 30
> degrees. I felt like I was in the tropics. The engine is now home with me
> and soon as the weather warms up a bit I will start the installation
> process. I will also have to carve a prop before I can fly it but if I can
> build a Kolb carving a small piece of wood should not be a big challenge.
:)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jason Omelchuck <jason@acuityinc.com>
Hans, do you have the clutch installed with the "c" gear box? Whom did you
get your adapter plate from?
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| Subject: | Tail Boom to cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
After about 3 weeks of doing little work (if its below 60f I am not working
in the cold hanger) I got back into it and mated the Boom to the Cage. It is
finally looking like an airplane,, of a sort. Got a question though. The
plans don't show any washers anywhere on the through bolt. I have been
wondering if anyone had installed washers between the inner part of the boom
and the cage uprights. I expect little movement if any between those two so
I am not sure if washers are needed.
Any comments would be apreciated, especially from the old timers. I am
interested in knowing if any of you seen any galling or other erossion in
that area.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
J
> I am building a MK 3 X and looking for more gas capacity. Can you provide
> some more information on the 16 gallon tank you ordered?
> Thanks
> Jim Ballenger
Jim/Gang:
Everybody, especially with Mark IIIs, wants more
fuel. Wonder if TNK knows that?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: John's Articles |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> If any of you have not read about John's trips to Alaska, then grab a pot
of coffee, get comfortable and settle back for a real adventure.
> Arizona Dave
Arizona Dave/Gang:
To most of the people on this List, the Alaska
stuff is old hat. They had to listen to me plan.
Then prepare. Then they had to listen to me fly.
And since then, they have had to listen to me
reminisce about the flights.
For the new guys, I hope you get as much out of
them as Arizona Dave has. Does my heart good to
get reactions like that. I am glad you enjoyed my
flights.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Vic,
Instead of Phoenix, what about 125 miles North to Paulden (25 miles N.
of Prescott). We (the Black Mesa Flyers) are having a fly-in on Sat., May
17th. What about coming up here on Friday, attending the fly-in, then
heading out for MV on Sunday. (Pancake breakfast on Sat.) Rough guessing
it on the map looks to be around 225 miles from Paulden to MV. Could even
head out to Williams or Flagstaff on Saturday afternoon if that was better.
Ain't much around Paulden, but we could provide vehicles to go to the
thriving metropolis of Chino Valley to eat and have at least one motorhome
to sleep in. Probably rig another couple of bunks in a hangar or something.
Arizona Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Snowbirds
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
>
> I have discovered that several Kolb list participants are also Arizona
> Snowbirds so I propose that we have a Snowbird Gathering somewhere in the
> Phoenix area before we all fly north. We can burn some burgers and tells
> some flying stories. I suggest we also invite any other Kolb flyers
that
> wish to attend.
>
> Vic
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/12/03 16:46John Hauck
> Wonder if TNK knows that?
======================================
:-)
Let me rephrase that? Does Bruce know that? I am sure Ray and the boys know
that.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> > I am building a MK 3 X and looking for more gas capacity. Can you
provide
> > some more information on the 16 gallon tank you ordered?
> > Thanks
> > Jim Ballenger
Jim,
I'm using 2 spun aluminum fuel tanks, 9 gal each. Can get them at many
dune buggy places. Many sizes , some end fill and some center fill. I'm
mounting mine vertically in approximately the same location as the plastic
stock ones go. Mine are 10 inch diameter and 30 inches long. One on each
side the boom tube. I believe they weigh about 3lbs each. Still have to come
up with a gage though. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Oooooooo......................be careful, Woody. Murphy listens to talk
like that. Ask me how I know. Good luck with your new engine.
Been There Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> I feel like the John Hauck of the mini van set. I just made a 1600 mile
> 2 day cross country in my old Windstar. All the way from Canada to
> Arkansas. Not my usual weekend vacation but our old Buddy Dallas Sheppard
> had this great deal on a Jabiru I couldn't pass up. Since his Thanks
giving
> day mishap he has given up on the thought of rebuilding his Mk3 so he
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I'm using 2 spun aluminum fuel tanks, 9 gal each. I'm
> mounting mine vertically in approximately the same location as the plastic
> stock ones go. Mine are 10 inch diameter and 30 inches long. One on each
> I believe they weigh about 3lbs each. Still have to come
> up with a gage though. Kirk
Kirk/Gang:
One of the most disappointing things, well two
most disappointing things, is to build an
airplane, then realize that 5 or 10 gal of fuel is
not near enough to do anything except fly the
traffic pattern at the local airport. The other
thing is decide to do a little cross country work
and maybe turn that into an overnighter. If it is
an overnighter, might want to carry a tent and
sleeping bag. Maybe even carry some chow, water,
extra clothes, and a lot of other gear to make
yourself comfortable.
The time to make arrangements for more fuel and
more cargo space is before you finish building the
airplane.
Mark IIIs are famous for wasting a lot of space
that could otherwise be used as cargo and fuel
space. Homer Kolb's idea in designing the Mark
III was to give the pilot 360 deg visibility.
Great! Some of the guys on this list need to see
where they have been. But I don't. I need that
big open space behind my head for fuel, not for
seeing how big that 747 is that is going to suck
me up in one of those four big fan jets.
The open area is just right for accepting a 25 gal
or smaller fuel tank. Probably even go larger,
but that might be classified as an overkill. By
moving the fuel tanks from the lower rear area,
behind the seats, up to the open area behind your
head, you have just freed up a buncha cargo
space. If you intend to cross country, space is
always a premium. I have found that it isn't the
weight, but the space that is a problem. If I can
find a place to put it, the Mark III, the
Firestar, and the Ultrastar, would fly off with
it.
If I have plenty fuel, cargo space, a full
enclosure, comfortable seats, I can be comfortable
and enjoy my cross country flights.
Snuffy: Check out the weight of your fuel tanks.
Seems to me that 31 lbs is an awful lot for a
little 9 gal tank. 61 lbs for 18 gal is even
worse. Might want to go with something a little
lighter.
Thinking out loud again,
john h
PS: I use a sight gauge made up of some 3/8 ID
tygon tubing mounted on the bulkhead behind the
left seat where I can see it from the right seat
where I fly. It is graduated in 5 gal tick marks
made from little tiny colored tie wraps. Works
like a champ. Never had a failure. 100%
reliability is hard to beat. Probably some of the
more vastly experienced aviator/builders could do
better than that. Would not surprise me a bit.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Well, there ya have it. I AM impressed. I looked at those 'buggy tanks
for a long time, trying to figure how to put them in the wings, overhead,
etc., and drew a blank. Of course, I do have the 16 gal TOK tank, and never
thought of removing it, but I bet those two 9 gal. tanks would take a lot
less useable room, and hold a little more fuel to boot. Way to go ! ! !
Maybe you could put one of those solid state fuel probes in a gas cap ?? No
law says it has to be permanently mounted in a specific spot. I'm curious
as to how you went about venting them ?? I'll bet there's more than 1
person out there who'd like to see pics of your installation.
GoGittum Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun N Fun
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> > > I am building a MK 3 X and looking for more gas capacity. Can you
> provide
> > > some more information on the 16 gallon tank you ordered?
> > > Thanks
> > > Jim Ballenger
>
>
> Jim,
>
> I'm using 2 spun aluminum fuel tanks, 9 gal each. Can get them at many
> dune buggy places. Many sizes , some end fill and some center fill. I'm
> mounting mine vertically in approximately the same location as the plastic
> stock ones go. Mine are 10 inch diameter and 30 inches long. One on each
> side the boom tube. I believe they weigh about 3lbs each. Still have to
come
> up with a gage though. Kirk
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Snuffy: Check out the weight of your fuel tanks.
> Seems to me that 31 lbs is an awful lot for a
> little 9 gal tank. 61 lbs for 18 gal is even
Hey Ya'll:
Surprised someone hasn't already corrected me on
my typo/math error. I think that should have been
62 lbs instead of 61.
Snuf: Are those 9 gal tanks baffled?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Snuffy: Check out the weight of your fuel tanks.
> Seems to me that 31 lbs is an awful lot for a
> little 9 gal tank. 61 lbs for 18 gal is even
> worse. Might want to go with something a little
> lighter.
Not 31 pounds.......3 pounds John. Think I wrote 3 lbs and it does look
like 31 .....:o)
> PS: I use a sight gauge made up of some 3/8 ID
> tygon tubing mounted on the bulkhead behind the
> left seat where I can see it from the right seat
> where I fly. It is graduated in 5 gal tick marks
> made from little tiny colored tie wraps. Works
> like a champ. Never had a failure. 100%
> reliability is hard to beat. Probably some of the
> more vastly experienced aviator/builders could do
> better than that. Would not surprise me a bit.
Good idea John. Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <by0ung@brigham.net>
. Is there anywhere I can go to
find out the process of not building but registering?
James Alderson
============================
calll your local fsdo (flight service district office) check the
government pages under faa. or search on the internet.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Snuf: Are those 9 gal tanks baffled?
>
No they're not John. I figured by mounting them verticle they wouldn't
slosh around much. They will be mounted right up against the cage behind
the pilot and pass seats. Just about right on the cg. The caps are vented
and on top. Haven't been working on it for a while now so darn cold out
there in the garage. ..........Snuf
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Not 31 pounds.......3 pounds John. Think I wrote 3 lbs and it does look
> like 31 .....:o)
Snuffy/Gang:
Did a test:
3lb
3 lb
Your way is up top. My way below it.
hehehe
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks and Cargo Space |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> The caps are vented
> and on top. Snuf
Snuffy/Gents:
Based on personal experience that goes back to the
day I put my brand new Firestar on its back, as
the result of a fouled plug and forced landing
into a Alabama cotton field, I decided at that
time to never have a vented cap on my fuel tank on
my airplane.
Once inverted, fuel will pour out of the vented
cap.
I seal the vented cap and installed a vent line
that went overboard out the belly of the
aircraft. Now, should I go inverted on the ground
again, the fuel will stay in the tank and now run
down the back of my neck.
BTW: I never put the Firestar on its back, on the
ground that is, again. However, I did put the
Mark III on its back when I crashed it during
testing. It came to rest upside down on a fence
post. Overboard vent system worked.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Finally a Kolb Firestar II owner. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
So, I have been asking all kinds of pesky questions and I think I have read
every post since 96 ... well, I finally feel as if I am part of a group now.
I went from owning and flying a trike (which are alot of fun and you all
should try it sometime) to wanting more. I really wasn't sure what I was
going to buy. I looked at phantoms (which also look like a great strong
ultralight), quicksilvers, etc, and then one day I stumbled upon a plane in
barnstormers that I knew was owned by a guy at the airport that I fly out
of. I think I saw it fly once or twice but had really noticed it looked
great. Anyway, I called him up, asked lots of questions and we worked out a
deal, and when I finally got the money from the guy I sold my trike to, I
gave it right back to the sport and I bought it. That was tonight.
So, to celebrate my glee at owning one of the finest examples of
craftmanship I had ever seen in ultralights (but have since come to see that
Kolb builders and owners are all sticklers for quality), I have posted some
pictures on a website for your viewing pleasure. Follow the link below and I
believe you should be able to look at 24 pictures that I posted. Please,
feel free to give me feedback and advice on what I should do with it next
and your thoughts on this firestar II.
Thanks again for having a great site full of your experience and
experiences....
http://www.shutterfly.com/os.jsp?i=67b0de21b336399b2568
James Alderson
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
Thanks little buddy. It's nice to know someone has faith in my abilities. I
never heard it referred to as a flying totem pole before, I like it.
A
>Woody...
>If you can build and fly a Mark III totem pole, you can certainly carve a
>lil'ol prop...
>I, for one, have a child-like faith in your ability to get 'er done...
>Hang tough,
>Beauford
>PS... Have driven in Arkansas in the snow... Yer lucky to be alive....
do not archive
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| Subject: | Process to Register Aircraft |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "vincenicely" <vincenicely@chartertn.net>
James,
You asked:
>
> . Is there anywhere I can go to
> find out the process of not building but registering?
>
> James Alderson
>
>
The FAA publishes a circular numbered AC 20-27 D which tells the process.
You can find this and other information on experimental aircraft at:
http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/amateur/
Hope this helps.
Vince Nicely
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| Subject: | Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:56:18 |
-0800
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Hey!
I loved your post about the protection issue, it was priceless!
As to the gear legs, I've decided it's too cold to do that kind of work, at
least it is for me. I had to pull the chute and ship it off to BRS for
repacking a couple weeks back and "like to near froze to death." I'm gonna
wait until the temps get back up where it's "fitten" for humans.
On another note, however, I mentioned to the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers
(GTUF, pronounced Gee Tough) that you had a great field and would welcome
drop-ins. I hope that was okay? After a few minutes discussion, it was
quickly asked whether you'd be interested in hosting a fly-in? Apparently
your location is ideal as a central point for this club. How say you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003
23:56:18 -0800
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Ken,
> Don't think it's so much about the inertia as it's about the disipation
of
> inertia. How ya comin on the gear legs? Runway is clear and hard as a
rock
> from the cold temps. Come on up and disipate some inertia on those gear
legs
> heh? Watch out those *&%$)*$#@ Turkeys, they're still hangin around.
> Thought the coyotes would have thinned them out by now.
>
>
> > The thing about this "argument" that I don't understand is the idea that
> > inertia only applies in airplane crashes. The same reasoning would apply
> in
> > a motorcyle accident. And, in my not so humble opinion, said argument is
> as
> > fallacious in both.
> >
> > No flaming intended. You did ask for opinions, right? ;-)
> >
> > -Ken
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike and Dixie Shackelford" <dixieshack@webtv.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: helmets message of Thu, 6 Feb 2003
23:56:18 -0800
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> > Shackelford)
> > >
> > > Food fer thought, guys. Buddy of mine has a theory about helmets
> > > and ultralights. His thoughts are....that on a motorcycle they are
life
> > > savers because of impact protection, but in utralights they can cause
> > > neck injuries from whiplash. Guess he saw mine in the FS seat.
> > > Anyway, he says when I crash my FS, the plane will stop and I will
tend
> > > to continue moving, and with my 4-point belts, the only thing able to
> > > move is my head. Wearing a helmet adds to the inertia that must be
> > > absorbed in the neck. With this and two stroke worries like "not if
but
> > > when", ......takes the fun outta flyin' . My counter was....my
head's
> > > empty so therefore I'm starting lighter and the helmet only brings me
up
> > > to normal.
> > >
> > > Now, THERE"S a whole 'nuther topic.......whaddya think?
> > >
> > > Mike in WV
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finally a Kolb Firestar II owner. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 07:30 PM 2/12/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
><James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
>
>So, to celebrate my glee at owning one of the finest examples of
>craftmanship I had ever seen in ultralights (but have since come to see that
>Kolb builders and owners are all sticklers for quality), I have posted some
>pictures on a website for your viewing pleasure. Follow the link below and I
>believe you should be able to look at 24 pictures that I posted.
>Please,
>feel free to give me feedback and advice on what I should do with it next
<snip> Maintain a low profile and don't let the feds see it
>and your thoughts on this firestar II.
<snip> Beautiful airplane. Enjoy.
>Thanks again for having a great site full of your experience and
>experiences....
>
>http://www.shutterfly.com/os.jsp?i=67b0de21b336399b2568
>
>James Alderson
Do Not Archive
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Boom to cage |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If I remember right, (?) I needed one on each side to make it fit properly.
So far, the paint hasn't cracked, so it isn't moving.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 04:40 PM 2/12/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
>After about 3 weeks of doing little work (if its below 60f I am not working
>in the cold hanger) I got back into it and mated the Boom to the Cage. It is
>finally looking like an airplane,, of a sort. Got a question though. The
>plans don't show any washers anywhere on the through bolt. I have been
>wondering if anyone had installed washers between the inner part of the boom
>and the cage uprights. I expect little movement if any between those two so
>I am not sure if washers are needed.
>Any comments would be apreciated, especially from the old timers. I am
>interested in knowing if any of you seen any galling or other erossion in
>that area.
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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