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1. 12:06 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (Larry Bourne)
2. 04:14 AM - A sad day for 16UDR (WillUribe@aol.com)
3. 05:00 AM - Ultrastar answers (Ed Steuber)
4. 05:12 AM - Re: 690L-70? (Tom Olenik)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: 690L-70? (John Hauck)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: Looking for Electric Start for 503. (Bob Currie)
7. 05:49 AM - Re: 690L-70? (Tom Olenik)
8. 06:20 AM - Re: 690L-70? (John Hauck)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (Beauford Tuton)
10. 09:15 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (John Hauck)
11. 09:19 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (CaptainRon)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (Beauford Tuton)
13. 09:48 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (CaptainRon)
14. 10:17 AM - Two Cycle Engine Reliability (John Hauck)
15. 10:29 AM - Re: A sad day for 16UDR (WillUribe@aol.com)
16. 12:54 PM - Re: Registering if your not the builder? (Alderson, James)
17. 03:14 PM - Re: Registering if your not the builder? (Jim)
18. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (Gary robert voigt)
19. 05:26 PM - Re: turnbuckle components (woody)
20. 05:26 PM - Re: Mark 3 in Canada (woody)
21. 05:37 PM - lift strut tangs and bolts (RWilliJill@aol.com)
22. 06:04 PM - Re: lift strut tangs and bolts (Ken Korenek)
23. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (Larry Bourne)
24. 07:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (Gary robert voigt)
25. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (possums)
26. 07:27 PM - Re: turnbuckle components (John Hauck)
27. 07:33 PM - Re: lift strut tangs and bolts (John Hauck)
28. 07:38 PM - Re: lift strut tangs and bolts (RWilliJill@aol.com)
29. 08:14 PM - Re: Video camera mount for Lar (Richard Pike)
30. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm interested, too, so please reply on the List. Also, I'm working on a
remote system that should be a dandy. It'll be together (hopefully) by
Tues. morning - just prior to leaving for Guerrero Negro. Lar.
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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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From: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
>
> I am looking for a video camera mount for my Kolb. Any one have one for
> sale or know of a good source?
>
> Do not archive
>
> Vic
>
>
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| Subject: | A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
It is with great sadness to report the loss of FireStar 16UDR, a good and
loyal friend. Although Dave Rains flew it for over 800 hours it only took
the new owner a couple of months to destroy it. I flew along side this
FireStar for many hours on our 4000 mile trip to Oregon and back.
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/oregon.htm
The FireStar did a fine job in protecting the pilot, any lesser plane would
have killed him. But in doing so absorbed most of the impact and enabled the
pilot to walk away.
16UDR was in the airport traffic pattern when the engine quit about 50 feet
above the ground, landed on soft sand so the wheels dug in flipping the
FireStar on it's back.
Here are some pictures of whats left.
http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu">http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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| Subject: | Ultrastar answers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Thanks go out to John Cooley , Don Gheradini and Richard Swiderski for the
pictures and input for my Ultrastar questions.
The way the engineers changed the tail boom attachment from the Ultrastar
to the new system eliminates the need to pull the elevator bolt to fold the tail.
I retained the old system but added the ring for stiffness.
The main reason I am not adding the flaperons is the US will be flown by
some inexperienced pilots and one more thing to confuse them when landing can
be bad. The deep stall with loss of altitude will get a novice in trouble real
fast. Even without flaperons making the average GA pilot understand he should
carry power to the ground for his first landings is difficult. The old US
gear was severely tested on more than one occasion for this reason.
The only thing I have not completly figured out yet is how long to make
the tailspring. The idea of slowing down quicker with the tail down is OK but
the seat tank is sloped back almost like my LazyBoy and on the ground I would
fall asleep before I could make a takeoff......(.I think I hold the record for
falling asleep after mounting the LazyBoy)...
Again , the list has saved me a lot of guessing ....... pictures will
be coming when I figure out the new camera.....
Thanks,
Ed in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
The 2SI 690L-70 is a three cylinder, in-line, pistons ported, liquid cooled,
2-stroke engine that puts out about 70 hp at 6250 RPM. They are made in
Bueford, SC by 2-Stroke International which was formed in the early 1990's
when Cuyuna and AMW merged. The 690 uses three Bing 54 carbs, CDI ignition,
and comes standard with electric start. The gear drive is available in 2:1.
2.65:1, and 3.06:1, but you really should not use the 3.06:1 with a 3 blade
prop due to harmonics. Most use the 2.65:1 ratio in the gearbox for the
690.
There have been some pretty important updates to them in the last few years
that really should be done if you buy a used one, but the new engines seem
to be very good and at least as good as any of the competition in terms of
quality. Maintenance costs are just a fraction of what they are for a Rotax
582 and need done much less frequently. In pictures the engine looks kind
of big, but is actually a pretty compact package and measure about the same
size as a 582 installation.
Personally, it would be my first choice of 2-stroke engine in the 60 to 80
hp class. However, since they are not yet as popular as Rotax engines, it
might not be the best choice for a beginner with little knowledge of engines
because there are only a few people who can really support the engine well
and the chances are pretty slim that a local buddy will be able to offer
much accurate assistance with the engine. My only complaint about them is
that 2SI is not the greatest at jetting them from the factory. Of course I
think the Rotax jetting is pretty screwed up from the factory as well. If
you are comfortable making jetting adjustments, and understand how a
2-stroke engine works, I think it would be a fine choice. If you need to
hire someone to change your spark plugs, you might want to consider
something else.
Let me know if you need to know anything else. Of course, when they are
bought from me, they come with unlimited tech support on my toll free line.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Petty
Subject: Kolb-List: 690L-70?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
What is a 690L-70 Engine?
pp....
N4958P
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
My only complaint about them is
> that 2SI is not the greatest at jetting them from the factory. Of course I
> think the Rotax jetting is pretty screwed up from the factory as well.
> Tom Olenik
Morning Tom/Gang:
That's a pretty broad statement. Can you
elaborate on the jetting problem with 2SI, as well
as Rotax?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for Electric Start for 503. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Currie <bnb@erols.com>
I don't have a spare starter but have an electri start on my 503. I do not need
a
selenoid cover as the selenoid can be remotely mounted out of the way
Bob Currie FSII
HOLLYWOOD MD
Do Note Archive
"Alderson, James" wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> Does anyone have a spare or unused electric starter and hardware for a 503
> that they could part with? I would really like one that allows the pull
> start to stay on. Feel free to contact me off list. I am used to asking a
> list before I buy anything, you would be amazed what some people have
> sitting on shelves or in hangars. If not, I buy new....
>
> PS - Is there a shrowd that you can buy to cover the selenoid for the
> starter? It really isn't very nice sticking out like that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Alderson
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
I think they both make the idle too rich which causes problems that show up
in other power settings. With the 2SI engines, they seem to take a richer
mixture at idle without running rough, but will die or bogg down when you go
to power if you leave the idle too rich. Some guys will think it's actually
a needle or main jet doing, it and go changing those, but really it's the
idle. The same goes for a 582. The stock airscrew setting is 1 turn out,
but I usually set them to almost 3 turns out to smooth out the idle and
prevent the boging down during the summer. Usually when I do that I am also
running the needle clip in a richer position than stock because such a big
idle adjustment has some effect on mid-range. However, the final result is
a much smoother, better responding engine.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 690L-70?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
My only complaint about them is
> that 2SI is not the greatest at jetting them from the factory. Of course
I
> think the Rotax jetting is pretty screwed up from the factory as well.
> Tom Olenik
Morning Tom/Gang:
That's a pretty broad statement. Can you
elaborate on the jetting problem with 2SI, as well
as Rotax?
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
The same goes for a 582. The stock airscrew
setting is 1 turn out,
> but I usually set them to almost 3 turns out to smooth out the idle and
> prevent the boging down during the summer. Usually when I do that I am also
> running the needle clip in a richer position than stock because such a big
> idle adjustment has some effect on mid-range. However, the final result is
> a much smoother, better responding engine.
>
> Tom Olenik
Hi Tom/Gang:
The above, in your opinion, equates to:
> "I think the Rotax jetting is pretty screwed up from
the factory as well."
Seems to me to be an idle adjustment exercise.
The "one turn out on the airscrew" is a basic
setting, is it not? A place to start, then adjust
as necessary to get the correct idle mixture?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Will:
Good photos, thanks...
From what you described, didn't sound as though the guy driving had too much
of an option... 50 feet doesn't leave too much of an opportunity to decide
what you are going to do with it... In those few seconds, hitting the ground
right side up and under control is likely to be about all one could hope
for...soft sand or not...
Any idea about the cause of the engine stoppage?
Beauford
FF076
Brandon,FL
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----- Original Message -----
Subject: Kolb-List: A sad day for 16UDR
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
> > 16UDR was in the airport traffic pattern when the engine quit about 50
feet
> above the ground, landed on soft sand so the wheels dug in flipping the
> FireStar on it's back.
>>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 50 feet doesn't leave too much of an opportunity to decide
> what you are going to do with it... In those few seconds, hitting the ground
> right side up and under control is likely to be about all one could hope
> for...soft sand or not...
> Beauford
Beauford/Gang:
To tear the landing gear legs and lift struts from
the airframe is an indication that this guy had
quit flying shortly after he lost his engine.
The way the upper forward longerons are bent up is
an indication he hit the ground nose low.
He is an extremely fortunate man to have walked
away from this one. He hit the ground awefully
hard. Needed some of the trees here in the SE to
cushion his crash.
Normally, a nose over onto its back will not
produce this kind of damage.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
2/17/03 5:12WillUribe@aol.com
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> It is with great sadness to report the loss of FireStar 16UDR, a good and
> loyal friend. Although Dave Rains flew it for over 800 hours it only took
> the new owner a couple of months to destroy it. I flew along side this
> FireStar for many hours on our 4000 mile trip to Oregon and back.
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/oregon.htm
> The FireStar did a fine job in protecting the pilot, any lesser plane would
> have killed him. But in doing so absorbed most of the impact and enabled the
> pilot to walk away.
> 16UDR was in the airport traffic pattern when the engine quit about 50 feet
> above the ground, landed on soft sand so the wheels dug in flipping the
> FireStar on it's back.
> Here are some pictures of whats left.
> http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
==============================
I doubt any flyer likes seeing that kind of stuff. If the failure was not
ignition, then I wonder if he was trying to save on oil, by doing the 100/1
mixture ratio trick. When you say it flew fine, and then a new guy breaks it
right off through engine quitting. My thoughts are that the xxxx abused the
engine in some major way, and oil starvation by my guess is the most likely.
Those two cycle motors will run forever if they are well lubed.
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
John...
Agree... looks like it piled in hard, vice just flipping... kinda makes yer
toes curl up to look at it, don't it...?
Could be that the soft sand Will described is what saved this guy's bacon...
Wonder if anyone witnessed this entertaining occurrence... Will???
Beauford
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> Beauford/Gang:
>> The way the upper forward longerons are bent up is
> an indication he hit the ground nose low.
>
>
He hit the ground awefully
> hard. >
> Normally, a nose over onto its back will not
> produce this kind of damage.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
> To tear the landing gear legs and lift struts from
> the airframe is an indication that this guy had
> quit flying shortly after he lost his engine.
>
> The way the upper forward longerons are bent up is
> an indication he hit the ground nose low.
>
> Normally, a nose over onto its back will not
> produce this kind of damage.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
===================================
I agree. Its obvious from the photo that he essentially flew it into the
ground probably in a full stall. The impact shows nose and gear impacting
about the same time. Sure would like to know more about the skill level of
the fella.
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| Subject: | Two Cycle Engine Reliability |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Folks:
For those that doubt what two cycle engines can
do, take a look at this article:
http://tohatsu.com/news/seiko.html
I used a 9.9 hp Tohatsu for aux power on my old
Searay for many years, until someone decided they
wanted it. Last July 4th weekend, somebody
relieved me of it. The got a good motor.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: A sad day for 16UDR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
The owner has great FireStar driving skills, I can go as far as saying he is
a bold pilot, some times doing better landings then I do. You just don't
have that much room for error at 50 feet AGL.
I do think he stalled it in because he had to avoid an 7 foot high sand dune
and land between the sand dunes. He was flying too low for where he was at
in the traffic pattern. The owner claims it was an ignition failure.
Some back ground on the engine, it once stopped because of improper
installation of the oil pump that starved the engine of oil. The engine
started right away after the oil pump installation was corrected and the
engine cooled off.
Dave and I told the new owner/bold pilot he need to overhaul the engine but
he kept saying it was running great and would get to it later. Dave at one
point threaten to remove the prop until he got the engine fixed. I told him
he was an accident waiting to happen.
He wasn't listening so I got to the point, in my desperation, that I had a
talk with his wife about getting him to fix the engine.
I just hope he learned his lesson and listens next time. Now his back to
driving his hurricane, depressing.
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <<A HREF"mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com">jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> >=A0 50 feet doesn't leave too much of an opportunity to decide
> > what you are going to do with it... In those few seconds, hitting the
ground
> > right side up and under control is likely to be about all one could hope
> > for...soft sand or not...
>
> > Beauford
>
> Beauford/Gang:
>
> To tear the landing gear legs and lift struts from
> the airframe is an indication that this guy had
> quit flying shortly after he lost his engine.
>
> The way the upper forward longerons are bent up is
> an indication he hit the ground nose low.=A0
>
> He is an extremely fortunate man to have walked
> away from this one.=A0 He hit the ground awefully
> hard.=A0 Needed some of the trees here in the SE to
> cushion his crash.
>
> Normally, a nose over onto its back will not
> produce this kind of damage.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Registering if your not the builder? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Listers, first thanks for all the help on and off line in regards to this
process.
In my pursuit to fly my firestar under some form of legality, I have had
conversations with all the associations for ultralights. ASC, in particular
Jim Stephenson, was very helpful (EAA was very informative as well). He led
me through the following process (check the link below for complete details)
and it seems that I can do all of this. I have already registered my Kolb
with the ASC and have numbers to put on, so I am only a couple of steps from
flying. I am of course going to get someone from the FAA to confirm what is
being said here. I plan on following this process till I am able to go Sport
Pilot. Obviously the Kolb must fall under the exemption restrictions : less
than 10 Gallons of fuel, less than 496 lbs, less than 38 mph stall, less
than 80something mph cruise. Sounds like the Firestar II fits right into
this.
Please let me know what ya'll think of this.
http://www.aerosports.org/solo_for_instruction.htm
Thanks,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Alderson, James
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
<James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Well, after receiving a call from another individual regarding this issue,
it appears that it will be near impossible to do this. If anyone has any
personal experience with doing this, please let me know.
Know, forgive me for being ignorant on the FAR 103, but can a Firestar II be
registered as an ultralight trainer without having two sets of controls? It
fits all the other criteria, but without controls I can't see how it would
be a viable trainer for any BFI without a suicide wish, but its worth
asking.
If not, I guess I will fill bags with helium and rig them into the plane
somewhere... should be able to get it down to 254lbs. Man, there really
isn't many options to fly these things legally without spending 500-1000
hours to build it....
James.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alderson, James
Subject: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
<James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Good evening all,
I have another question. I talked to the builder of the Kolb I am buying
(getting excited, tomorrow is the night I own it) and we talked for quite a
while. I wanted if nothing else to tell this guy that I was in awe of his
work. I hang around a bunch of ultralighters that fly stuff that is safe,
but not the most attractive, so this is a treat to see something with this
much love in it. I am someone who wants to be proud of my plane, and will
probably spend more time tinkering and cleaning than flying. Anyway, the
builder said he probably spent close to 1000 hours building this thing with
all the slow days of perfecting that he spent, it was his third Kolb build
and he says his last as he is just way to anal with the build (eg. He used a
laser level on all wing ribs and points, didn't allow more than 2 degrees
off at any point or it was rebuilt). Anyway, he didn't keep any pictures or
records as he never intended it to be registered.
So... I want to register this plane as an experimental. I want to do it soon
and need to know if its harder for me to register it without being the
builder? I know it means that I will have to get someone else to do the
annuals for me (lots of A&P around that are lovers of the six pack) and a
few other things will be more of a pain, but I just want to know that its
still possible and fairly straight forward. Is there anywhere I can go to
find out the process of not building but registering?
James Alderson
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| Subject: | Re: Registering if your not the builder? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim" <flykolb@carolina.rr.com>
James,
I cannot tell from the info you provided whether you plan to use your
Firstar as a "student flying solo under the supervision of a BFI" or as "BFI
doing instruction".
Jim
Mark III
Charlotte, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
<James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> Listers, first thanks for all the help on and off line in regards to this
> process.
>
> In my pursuit to fly my firestar under some form of legality, I have had
> conversations with all the associations for ultralights. ASC, in
particular
> Jim Stephenson, was very helpful (EAA was very informative as well). He
led
> me through the following process (check the link below for complete
details)
> and it seems that I can do all of this. I have already registered my Kolb
> with the ASC and have numbers to put on, so I am only a couple of steps
from
> flying. I am of course going to get someone from the FAA to confirm what
is
> being said here. I plan on following this process till I am able to go
Sport
> Pilot. Obviously the Kolb must fall under the exemption restrictions :
less
> than 10 Gallons of fuel, less than 496 lbs, less than 38 mph stall, less
> than 80something mph cruise. Sounds like the Firestar II fits right into
> this.
>
> Please let me know what ya'll think of this.
>
> http://www.aerosports.org/solo_for_instruction.htm
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alderson, James
> To: 'kolb-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
> <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> Well, after receiving a call from another individual regarding this issue,
> it appears that it will be near impossible to do this. If anyone has any
> personal experience with doing this, please let me know.
>
> Know, forgive me for being ignorant on the FAR 103, but can a Firestar II
be
> registered as an ultralight trainer without having two sets of controls?
It
> fits all the other criteria, but without controls I can't see how it would
> be a viable trainer for any BFI without a suicide wish, but its worth
> asking.
>
> If not, I guess I will fill bags with helium and rig them into the plane
> somewhere... should be able to get it down to 254lbs. Man, there really
> isn't many options to fly these things legally without spending 500-1000
> hours to build it....
>
> James.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alderson, James
> To: 'kolb-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Kolb-List: Registering if your not the builder?
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
> <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> Good evening all,
>
> I have another question. I talked to the builder of the Kolb I am buying
> (getting excited, tomorrow is the night I own it) and we talked for quite
a
> while. I wanted if nothing else to tell this guy that I was in awe of his
> work. I hang around a bunch of ultralighters that fly stuff that is safe,
> but not the most attractive, so this is a treat to see something with this
> much love in it. I am someone who wants to be proud of my plane, and will
> probably spend more time tinkering and cleaning than flying. Anyway, the
> builder said he probably spent close to 1000 hours building this thing
with
> all the slow days of perfecting that he spent, it was his third Kolb build
> and he says his last as he is just way to anal with the build (eg. He used
a
> laser level on all wing ribs and points, didn't allow more than 2 degrees
> off at any point or it was rebuilt). Anyway, he didn't keep any pictures
or
> records as he never intended it to be registered.
>
> So... I want to register this plane as an experimental. I want to do it
soon
> and need to know if its harder for me to register it without being the
> builder? I know it means that I will have to get someone else to do the
> annuals for me (lots of A&P around that are lovers of the six pack) and a
> few other things will be more of a pain, but I just want to know that its
> still possible and fairly straight forward. Is there anywhere I can go to
> find out the process of not building but registering?
>
> James Alderson
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Vic,Lar/Gents:
there is only one system that i know of in the industry that excels above
the rest and that is the "RAM" mount system, i use this same system to mount
my digital camera in the firestar and it works great!!!
you would want to go with the 1" ball system if your digital cam corder is
not too heavy, all that it requires is the 1/4 - 20" threads on the bottom
of the cam which most of them have and is standard in the industry.
anyway here is the web site for them... i think the cam section is under
construction right now but you can still do a search on it.
http://www.ram-mount.com/
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
VIC wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
>
> I am looking for a video camera mount for my Kolb. Any one have one for
> sale or know of a good source?
>
> Do not archive
>
> Vic
>
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| Subject: | Re: turnbuckle components |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
At 12:00 PM 2/16/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > It works and the wires are the
> > tightest I have seen on a foldable Kolb.
>
>Now, now, Woody/Gang:
>
>If the above were true, your tail wires are
>wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too tight, cause mine are just
>right. :-)
>
>john h
You have a non foldable KOlb so you can adjust them just right and stay
there :). To insert the pin into the clevis I need to lie down and rest my
leg on the tail surface. This weight is just enough to keep things tight. A
lot tighter than the usual arrangement.
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| Subject: | Re: Mark 3 in Canada |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>Group,
>I'll be moving to Canada after retirement. Dies anyone know whether a Mark
>3 has to be licensed there and if so, as what? Thanks! Snuffy
>
>
>Do Not Archive
I know of 2 personally they have been done ( mine and a friends) and I
know of 2 more that will be within the year if all goes well (mine and a
clubs). There was no problem registering them. It will have to registered
as an Ultralight as there is a different building regulation here. Do not
mention if it has been registered in the US. . However. as an ultralight
you can fly where you want but if you have a passenger you had better be a
flight instructor or your co pilot is also a licensed pilot. Where in
Canada are you moving?
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| Subject: | lift strut tangs and bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
Question
I'm in the process of building the first wing on my Firestar II and am at
the point of installing the lower false ribs. I have saved the one that gets
riveted to the lift strut attachment for last because I see a minor problem
in the making. I have yet to rivet the lift strut attachment on yet because
It looks to me like you have to insert the innermost AN4-7A bolt into the
inside hole before you rivet the attachment on or you'll never be able to get
it in. You could always put it in upside down but that is not a good thing if
the nut ever came off plus the print shows it the correct way. The question
is, do you or don't you put the bolts into the lift strut tangs before you
rivet it to the bottom of the main spar? One other problem is that I was
incorrectly sent ANA-7's which are drilled for a castle nut and carter key or
safety wire but the print calls for AN4-7's and AN365-428A nuts. I'll get
with Travis at TNK to resolve the incorrect bolts but does anybody have any
words of wisdom about the tangs and bolts?
Thanks for your collective thoughts
Ron Williams
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: lift strut tangs and bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken Korenek <ken-foi@attbi.com>
RWilliJill@aol.com wrote:
> You could always put it in upside down but that is not a good thing if
> the nut ever came off plus the print shows it the correct way. The question
> is, do you or don't you put the bolts into the lift strut tangs before you
> rivet it to the bottom of the main spar?
Ron,
I assembled the lift strut tang halves before I riveted them onto the spar.
With the lift strut tang and lift strut fitting in hand, I adjusted the
washer/spacers with thick and thin washers so that the lift strut fit very snugly
into the tang; it has no slop. Came out to be a nice installation. I don't
fold my wings, so I replaced the pins with bolts and the tang/fitting fit is
perfect for a bolt up joint.
I finished my new 7 rib wings last July. 335 hours from first hole drilled
to last coat of Poly fiber Paint.
Got pictures of jigs and different ways of doing things if you want to contact
me
off list.
--
Do Not Archive
*********************
Ken W. Korenek
4906 Oak Springs Drive
Arlington, Texas 76016
817-572-6832 voice
817-572-6842 fax
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
ken-foi@attbi.com
Kolb FireStar II, "My Mistress"
Rotax 503, Oil Injected
3 Blade Powerfin
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot/TX_files/image019.jpg
Six Chuter SR7-XL "Red Baron"
Powered Parachute
Rotax 582, Oil Injected
3 Blade PowerFin
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot/TX_files/image021.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
A "Long Winded Lar" story. Hit DELETE if you don't wanna read
it.
Thanks, Gary. Do you put your camera out there in the wind with no
protection ?? Seems like there'd be bug smears on the lens fairly soon.
Has that been a problem ?? Have you - or anyone - ever seen a system
(within reason) that would let you pivot the camera while in flight
??............or am I gonna hafta build my own ?? (yah, shore, and I know
there's those fancy systems the news agencies put on heli-chop-ters an' all,
but I said "reasonable.") I won't have time to publish pics in the
morning, so here's what I've done.................my digital camera (not a
camcorder) has an A/V out port, that enables connection to any TV or monitor
that has A/V input jacks. I thought it was just to show pics that have
already been taken, but it turns out that it will also show whatever the
camera is seeing - BEFORE you take the picture. Long distance eyes, eh ??
I've built a long (40 ft) extension cord for that, and also bought a
Digisnap 2000 remote control from Harbortronics.com in Gig Harbor, WA., and
built a 40 ft. long extension for that as well. (that's how much computer
cable I had laying around) They tell me it'll work with up to 1,000 ft. of
cord. (! ! !) The digisnap gives me full remote control of zoom and
shutter, and will also enable time lapse photography, if I should ever (??)
need or want it. The monitor function lets me see what the camera sees, so
that I'll know how much, if any, zoom to use; then take the picture with
the remote when I'm ready. This is why I'm curious about pivoting the
camera remotely. Hmmmm.............maybe an electric trim control ??
Hooked to a fighter style grip ?? The possibilities are endless. I've
already tested all this, and it works extremely well. I have a 4" TFT LCD
color monitor coming from RamPlus.com in the morning, and the extensions
I've built give me 40 ft of range from the camera. There are radio, and
infra red triggers available, but then you're getting into the very spendy
again. The idea, aside from mounting on the plane, is to set up for
wildlife and bird photos.........from the camper, or a (comfortable) blind,
or wherever. The 4 ah motorcycle battery in a fanny pack that I built years
ago for my GPS & intercom will hang on the tripod, or in the plane, and
plugs right in to the camera as well, giving effectively unlimited battery
life, and saves those expensive - and short lived - camera batteries.
Digital Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
<johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> Vic,Lar/Gents:
> there is only one system that i know of in the industry that excels
above
> the rest and that is the "RAM" mount system, i use this same system to
mount
> my digital camera in the firestar and it works great!!!
> you would want to go with the 1" ball system if your digital cam corder is
> not too heavy, all that it requires is the 1/4 - 20" threads on the bottom
> of the cam which most of them have and is standard in the industry.
> anyway here is the web site for them... i think the cam section is under
> construction right now but you can still do a search on it.
> http://www.ram-mount.com/
>
> thanks,
> Gary r. voigt
>
> VIC wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
> >
> > I am looking for a video camera mount for my Kolb. Any one have one for
> > sale or know of a good source?
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Vic
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Lar, i should have mentioned that mine is mounted on a 5/8 support tube in
the cockpit, but like you...i too would like to mount it on the wing spar
somehow to catch me in flight...yes i have seen those remote control systems and
they are about 1100.00 for the cheap version. let me know if you rig a system up
and it looks to be solid.
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
do not archive
Larry Bourne wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> A "Long Winded Lar" story. Hit DELETE if you don't wanna read
> it.
>
> Thanks, Gary. Do you put your camera out there in the wind with no
> protection ?? Seems like there'd be bug smears on the lens fairly soon.
> Has that been a problem ?? Have you - or anyone - ever seen a system
> (within reason) that would let you pivot the camera while in flight
> ??............or am I gonna hafta build my own ?? (yah, shore, and I know
> there's those fancy systems the news agencies put on heli-chop-ters an' all,
> but I said "reasonable.") I won't have time to publish pics in the
> morning, so here's what I've done.................my digital camera (not a
> camcorder) has an A/V out port, that enables connection to any TV or monitor
> that has A/V input jacks. I thought it was just to show pics that have
> already been taken, but it turns out that it will also show whatever the
> camera is seeing - BEFORE you take the picture. Long distance eyes, eh ??
> I've built a long (40 ft) extension cord for that, and also bought a
> Digisnap 2000 remote control from Harbortronics.com in Gig Harbor, WA., and
> built a 40 ft. long extension for that as well. (that's how much computer
> cable I had laying around) They tell me it'll work with up to 1,000 ft. of
> cord. (! ! !) The digisnap gives me full remote control of zoom and
> shutter, and will also enable time lapse photography, if I should ever (??)
> need or want it. The monitor function lets me see what the camera sees, so
> that I'll know how much, if any, zoom to use; then take the picture with
> the remote when I'm ready. This is why I'm curious about pivoting the
> camera remotely. Hmmmm.............maybe an electric trim control ??
> Hooked to a fighter style grip ?? The possibilities are endless. I've
> already tested all this, and it works extremely well. I have a 4" TFT LCD
> color monitor coming from RamPlus.com in the morning, and the extensions
> I've built give me 40 ft of range from the camera. There are radio, and
> infra red triggers available, but then you're getting into the very spendy
> again. The idea, aside from mounting on the plane, is to set up for
> wildlife and bird photos.........from the camper, or a (comfortable) blind,
> or wherever. The 4 ah motorcycle battery in a fanny pack that I built years
> ago for my GPS & intercom will hang on the tripod, or in the plane, and
> plugs right in to the camera as well, giving effectively unlimited battery
> life, and saves those expensive - and short lived - camera batteries.
> Digital Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
> <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> >
> > Vic,Lar/Gents:
> > there is only one system that i know of in the industry that excels
> above
> > the rest and that is the "RAM" mount system, i use this same system to
> mount
> > my digital camera in the firestar and it works great!!!
> > you would want to go with the 1" ball system if your digital cam corder is
> > not too heavy, all that it requires is the 1/4 - 20" threads on the bottom
> > of the cam which most of them have and is standard in the industry.
> > anyway here is the web site for them... i think the cam section is under
> > construction right now but you can still do a search on it.
> > http://www.ram-mount.com/
> >
> > thanks,
> > Gary r. voigt
> >
> > VIC wrote:
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" <vicw@vcn.com>
> > >
> > > I am looking for a video camera mount for my Kolb. Any one have one for
> > > sale or know of a good source?
> > >
> > > Do not archive
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> >
> >
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 06:39 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> A "Long Winded Lar" story. Hit DELETE if you don't wanna read
>it.
>
>Thanks, Gary. Do you put your camera out there in the wind with no
>protection ?? Seems like there'd be bug smears on the lens fairly soon.
>Has that been a problem ?? Have you - or anyone - ever seen a system
>(within reason) that would let you pivot the camera while in flight
>??............or am I gonna hafta build my own ??
These are nice, but might not fit your camera.
http://store.yahoo.com/spytechagency/13285.html
Hell Larry, just strap it to your head like I do, and get you a "bow sight",
paint ball gun - and have a real good time.
BTW: There is a thing called "target fixation" (ask Mr. Hauck) - so be careful.
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| Subject: | Re: turnbuckle components |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> You have a non foldable KOlb so you can adjust them just right and stay
> there :).
Now Woody/Gang:
That ain't quite correct. I have a very foldable
Kolb. I just don't have to fold it except when I
break it. hehehe
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: lift strut tangs and bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> It looks to me like you have to insert the innermost AN4-7A bolt into the
> inside hole before you rivet the attachment on or you'll never be able to get
> it in. You could always put it in upside down but that is not a good thing if
> the nut ever came off plus the print shows it the correct way.
> One other problem is that I was
> incorrectly sent ANA-7's which are drilled for a castle nut and carter key or
> safety wire but the print calls for AN4-7's and AN365-428A nuts.
> Ron Williams
Ron/Gang:
The airplane will not fall out of the sky if you
insert the bolt from bottom to top. The nuts will
not fall off if the bolt is upside down. Besides,
who is to say the bolt is going to stay in the
hole if the nut comes off even when it is inserted
from top to bottom. There are exceptions to rules
when the bolt can not be inserted from top to
bottom or from forward to aft.
You can also use nyloc nuts with drilled bolts.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: lift strut tangs and bolts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
Thanks for the input John
Ron W
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Video camera mount for Lar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 06:39 PM 2/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> A "Long Winded Lar" story.
>
><snip> Have you - or anyone - ever seen a system
>(within reason) that would let you pivot the camera while in flight
>??............or am I gonna hafta build my own ??
>Digital Lar.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
Wrap the camera in styrofoam and then carve the foam into a streamline
"bomb" shape. Suspend it from the attach point on a pivoting mount. Get a
remote control outside rear view mirror from the junkyard, run the controls
to the tail fins of the "bomb", and use the little joystick to work the
tailfins. Now you can pivot the camera around in the airflow.
And with the current threat alert status at orange, as soon as some citizen
sees the bomb, you should be able to get some good films of an F-15 doing
an intercept action, up close and personal.
Let us know how it works out....
(If you wrap a desert do-rag around your head first, you might even get to
see two F-15's...)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
Help Stop Spam!
Delete all address information (especially mine) off everything you
forward, and make Blind Carbon Copy a way of life.
Thanks! And have a blessed day.
rp
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
They're on the right track, but only hold 100 grams (3 1/2 ounces ??) and
that's not allowing for wind factor. I'm starting to feel the ol'
stub-Bourne-ness coming thru..................that camera IS going to mount
on the strut, AND be cockpit controllable ! !
!...............uh..............when the plane is flying, of course.
Possum useta have all kinds of firepower on his plane...............betcha
you don't now, eh ?? The F-15's would just be the start of it. I can tell
that Brother Pike is on my side, too...................guaranteed to get
attention..................however, the idea of a "shell" around the
camera............??? Hmmmm......................at work we have these
clear plastic bowls, which, if one were......uh......liberated,
might....just....????? Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 31 Msgs - 02/14/03
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 06:39 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > A "Long Winded Lar" story. Hit DELETE if you don't wanna
read
> >it.
> >
> >Thanks, Gary. Do you put your camera out there in the wind with no
> >protection ?? Seems like there'd be bug smears on the lens fairly soon.
> >Has that been a problem ?? Have you - or anyone - ever seen a system
> >(within reason) that would let you pivot the camera while in flight
> >??............or am I gonna hafta build my own ??
>
> These are nice, but might not fit your camera.
> http://store.yahoo.com/spytechagency/13285.html
>
> Hell Larry, just strap it to your head like I do, and get you a "bow
sight",
> paint ball gun - and have a real good time.
>
> BTW: There is a thing called "target fixation" (ask Mr. Hauck) - so be
careful.
>
>
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